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Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:42 pm

You go Joe ,, !! The course would not set a tee time for him at first but then a staffer called and said " The VP really wants to play your course ... let me talk to the manager" He used his position to cut into line for tee times .... that's just cold blooded !  Wink

Is this part of ... " Its time to Do your part " " Its time to get some skin in the game " " Its patriotic to pay more taxes" .  blockhead 

Don't you tax payers feel good about flying this goof ball to Vegas for a golf outing .... I know I do ... I'm all red white and blue today baby!

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Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:52 pm

Shows where these guys have their mindset when it comes to political office...  Yeah sure
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:00 pm

An elitist is much like an addict. They just can't accept the word "no" When Clinton was in office a private club in eastern LI refused Clinton the same type of request. The club could care less who he was. They were low key and didn't believe in this crap. Too bad this club doesn't share the same mindset. Not to mention they probably had a few more democratic members.
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:03 pm

Just to be clear.

These are the same clowns that shamed companies out of having annual conferences in Vegas right?

Probably would have publicly shamed the club into access had they said no. Probably did.
 
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:16 pm

Oh yes, whenever a politician on the other side takes a vacation, it's a travesty.

1) The golf course could very well have chosen to decline him. However, a photo of the VP playing golf on your course makes very good PR.

2) The VP is required to take Government aircraft when he travels due to Secret Service rules.

So unless you would like to ban all elected officials from ever taking a vacation or having any R&R, come off it.

Or I can dig out a very long list of trips that Bush took, including spending a vast quantity of taxpayer money on an ultra-secret boondoggle to Iraq just so that he could make a PR stunt of a speech to troops there.
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Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:25 pm

This is sooooo lame, yet so common. Human nature anyone?

Fantastic PR for the club at the end of the day ....

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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:28 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Oh yes, whenever a politician on the other side takes a vacation
, it's a travesty.

1) The golf course could very well have chosen to decline him. However, a photo of the VP playing golf on your course makes very good PR.

2) The VP is required to take Government aircraft when he travels due to Secret Service rules.

So unless you would like to ban all elected officials from ever taking a vacation
or having any R&R, come off it.

Or I can dig out a very long list of trips that Bush took, including spending a vast quantity of taxpayer money on an ultra-secret boondoggle to Iraq just so that he could make a PR stunt of a speech to troops there.

I think MSNDC9's point was don't be a hypocrite. The current administration and media has devastated the airline, corporate aviation, and travel industries in general by discouraging travel.Yet the VP doesn't have an issue going to Vegas to play a round of golf before a fundraiser.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:31 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Oh yes, whenever a politician on the other side takes a vacation, it's a travesty.

Just a shame when the shoe is on the other foot. You find out where all the pinch points are.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Or I can dig out a very long list of trips that Bush took, including spending a vast quantity of taxpayer money on an ultra-secret boondoggle to Iraq just so that he could make a PR stunt of a speech to troops there.

As opposed to a not so secret PR trip to Copenhagen to get blown out trying to promote your home town to the Olympic committee at all the taxpayers expense?

The point is it happens on both sides of the aisle so you can drop the high and mighty act.

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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:38 am



Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 6):

I think MSNDC9's point was don't be a hypocrite. The current administration and media has devastated the airline, corporate aviation, and travel industries in general by discouraging travel.Yet the VP doesn't have an issue going to Vegas to play a round of golf before a fundraiser.

So is your suggestion no travel for elected officials? And no time off or vacation?

Quoting DXing (Reply 7):

The point is it happens on both sides of the aisle so you can drop the high and mighty act.

I'm not the one with the high-and-mighty act.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:46 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
I'm not the one with the high-and-mighty act.

 rotfl  At least I can go to work with that chuckle on my mind.

When politicians think about doing this kind of thing there should be someone on their staff smart enough to say, "you know boss, this might not come across so well with those that can't even afford to play, let alone cut in a tee time, at their local course".
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:37 am

I suppose if Biden has closed-door meetings with oil execs to guide energy policy in the United States, that would calm the noise from the right?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:31 am



Quoting AGM100 (Thread starter):
Don't you tax payers feel good about flying this goof ball to Vegas for a golf outing .... I know I do ... I'm all red white and blue today baby!

Did you have such outrage when Bush41 was golfing on the taxpayer dime? I didin't think so.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 2):
An elitist is much like an addict.

NIK, you can't even tell us what the word "elitist" means in that context. You've simply heard it so often and so much from your right-wing talking heads that it's become automatic-kind of like blinking your eyes-you don't realize you're doing it, and you can't help yourself anyway.

An big story about nothing from the right, once more, who can't win on issues.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:05 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
Did you have such outrage when Bush41 was golfing on the taxpayer dime? I didin't think so.

Nope , I said I don't mind Biden playing golf. Just thought it kinda funny after his socialist blithering about us sacrificing for America. Not to mention his bosses derogatory comments about Vegas...

Now the phone call to push into the tee time schedule ...as a golfer that's just wrong .... not to mention bad golf manners . But hey , he is the VP ....
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:10 am

I have no problem with Biden golfing, but didn't Obama say back in around June at some point, "folks, don't waste money on that Las Vegas vacation..."  sigh 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:20 am



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 12):
Nope , I said I don't mind Biden playing golf. Just thought it kinda funny after his socialist blithering about us sacrificing for America.

Gee, back in other wars, AGM100, sacrificing for the good of the country was considered PATRIOTIC, not socialist blithering. It helped us get through the Civil War, WW I, WW II.

But I guess those people were just socialist idiots, eh?

Actually, the problem is this: you don't know what socialism really is, and wouldn't know if it came up and smaked you in the face.

You've bought the idea from your political masters on the right. Socialism has never prospered in this nation, and never will. And, the sad part-for you, that is-is that most Americans thinks those like you who think this is some kind of Socialist experiment, are just right wing lunatics.

Now, if you want to talk real socialism, go ask Europe about that. They'll probably tell you that what we're seeing here is nowhere near Socialism.

I guess the only way it seems like it is if you're so far to the right that you can't tell the difference anyway.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:21 am

Is anyone out there who remembers the King of golfing Presidents, President Eisenhower? How petty we have become.  Sad
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:05 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 10):
I suppose if Biden has closed-door meetings with oil execs to guide energy policy in the United States, that would calm the noise from the right?

Of course Hillary's health care meetings were all out there in the open for everyone to see and hear right?
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:44 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 14):
Gee, back in other wars, AGM100, sacrificing for the good of the country was considered PATRIOTIC, not socialist

Ya but these wars are already lost .... and big mistakes ....eh Falcon ?? Your side cant have it both ways .. and too add his comments were about health-care and social entitlement spending.. not war-fighting . Nice try though.

I agree we are talking about a different initial brand of socialism Falcon ... but the same rules apply . Take from the classes that produce and earn ...send it to a ever larger state apparatus ...then dole it out at election time. Its backasswards .
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:04 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
NIK, you can't even tell us what the word "elitist" means in that context. You've simply heard it so often and so much from your right-wing talking heads that it's become automatic-kind of like blinking your eyes-you don't realize you're doing it, and you can't help yourself anyway

No, I know what the word means and have met many to know this concept all by myself so it's easy to spot one. Nice try though.

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 13):
I have no problem with Biden golfing, but didn't Obama say back in around June at some point, "folks, don't waste money on that Las Vegas vacation..."

Remember the left wants you to do as they SAY, not as they do.

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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:33 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
NIK, you can't even tell us what the word "elitist" means in that context. You've simply heard it so often and so much from your right-wing talking heads that it's become automatic-kind of like blinking your eyes-you don't realize you're doing it, and you can't help yourself anyway

No, I know what the word means and have met many to know this concept all by myself so it's easy to spot one. Nice try though.

Then surely a certain graduate of Phillips-Exeter Academy, Yale, and Harvard, not to mention a member of Skull and Bones, falls into that category -- his difficulties with the English language notwithstanding.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:01 pm



Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 6):
The current administration and media has devastated the airline, corporate aviation, and travel industries in general by discouraging travel.

How did the current administration do that? The private jet flap happened at the end of the Bush Administration but it wasn't even them - there was outrage from both sides of the aisle in Congress. And when has the Obama administration ever discouraged travel, except when it frowned on bailed-out companies from using taxpayer money for corporate retreats? You can blame the media if you want, but public opinion was also negative towards using taxpayer money for junkets/trips/retreats for companies that received bailouts.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:05 pm



Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 19):
Then surely a certain graduate of Phillips-Exeter Academy, Yale, and Harvard, not to mention a member of Skull and Bones, falls into that category -- his difficulties with the English language notwithstanding.

Don't forget how much land he owns. Never mind the fact that there are too many Americans that don't even have a warm bed or anyting to eat.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Thu Nov 19, 2009 5:28 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
Did you have such outrage when Bush41 was golfing on the taxpayer dime? I didin't think so.

Well he was a bomber pilot in WWII ...go play golf man , Biden avoided the draft on a deferment of having asthma ...even though he played football throughout high-school and college. So I personally give B41 a little latitude . Not to mention the dude has a aircraft carrier named after him ..i mean come on ! Big grin

But Hey , we want our VP too play golf and enjoy the capitalist life style. Just don't bite the hand that feeds you....
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:42 pm



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
Biden avoided the draft on a deferment of having asthma ...even though he played football throughout high-school and college.

Might just be that he was able to control his asthma with medications while in school. That doesn't mean he is not 4F for military service. To be blunt, there is no way that the military (especially Army or Marines) would want to provide specialized medications to various members just to maintain normal duty levels. It is even a greater fantasy to assume the the military could keep an asthmatic medicated in the jungle or rice patties in Nam.

What should be important when looking at Biden's medical condition is that he was able to lead a pretty normal life with his condition. Good motivation to others who might tend to feel sorry for themselves.

As far as the golf game goes, I imagine that the Secret Service would prefer to keep it low key before the fact. Golf courses would be insanely difficult to protect a VIP at if there was sufficient notice to set something up.
 
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:11 pm



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
It is even a greater fantasy to assume the the military could keep an asthmatic medicated in the jungle or rice patties in Nam.

Fair enough , I concede . Joe Biden is easily to be compared 41 .... and should be able to pull the VP card when ever he needs a Tee time.
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Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:20 pm



Quoting Cmhsrq (Reply 6):
I think MSNDC9's point was don't be a hypocrite. The current administration and media has devastated the airline, corporate aviation, and travel industries in general by discouraging travel.Yet the VP doesn't have an issue going to Vegas to play a round of golf before a fundraiser.

Precisely right.

Biden could have said, hey, I love to golf, Vegas is great, come and spend your money here. Stimulate the economy, etc, etc. But instead we get pontifications from the government on how vegas is bad, how golf courses suck down too much water, how aircraft are evil.

You know, it has to be funny to see old Joe Biden on the golf course.

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Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:08 am



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
Well he was a bomber pilot in WWII ...go play golf man , Biden avoided the draft on a deferment of having asthma ...

I thought he flew fighters off-carrier, not bombers? Anyway, what the hell does that have to do with anything? HIm being in the war has nothing to do with this, and is just more wasted hot air on your part.

And Cheney got SIX deferments from the military-and Bush hid in the National Guard and used his family name to avoid service. Where was your sarcasm there? Oh, I forgot, it can't be used on Republicans, because you don't have the backbone to use it against them.

This is such a mountain out of a molehill. And it's symptomatic of the fact that conservatives have had a lot of trouble the last few election cycles. They have no new ideas, and they can't even come up with alternatives even if the Dems have ideas that aren't very good. And since they can't beat the Dems even in that regard, they stoop to such nonsensical bullshit like this-the VP golfing.

Get a REAL issue to beat up Biden and the President over. I know that would mean coming up with ideas of your own, which most of the leadership on the right has been incapable of doing for quite a while now, but it might make you look less foolish.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:22 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
I thought he flew fighters off-carrier, not bombers?

Wrong again. No surprise there eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush

Bush piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichijima

TBM stands for Topedo/Bomber/GM built.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
And Cheney got SIX deferments from the military-

Does he even play golf?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
and Bush hid in the National Guard

Keep digging that hole. Of course everyone in the National Guard was a coward right?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
This is such a mountain out of a molehill

It's a molehill whenever it is brought up whether its Biden golfing or President Bush at his ranch. Of course it only gets called that when we are discussing democratic leaders.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:34 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
and Bush hid in the National Guard

Keep digging that hole. Of course everyone in the National Guard was a coward right?

When they use their family to get out of war combat, yes. There are many, many people who serve honorably in the NG for no other reason than to help defend their country. But, during war time with a draft on, getting into the NG to avoid active combat service is something else altogether. You forget, very quickly, that John McCain, John Kerry, and Al Gore actually went to Vietnam while your boy Bush stayed behind to defend the skies over Alabama thanks to daddy.

Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
I thought he flew fighters off-carrier, not bombers?

Wrong again. No surprise there eh?

Let's see.... Bush I flew during WWII. We all know that and we all appriciate that. Yet, a staunch right-winger uses one small thing to make himself think he is so much better and to prove that the opposition is wrong on every level. That is very typical of a right-wing argument.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 4:36 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
but it might make you look less foolish

Obviously I don't mind appearing foolish Falcon I know who I am . Besides I respect Joe a bit ... he gave a great speech on the floor before voting with President Bush to take out Saddam.
I remember it well ,he just happened to be on Imus that morning and played parts of the speech , man he was not cool with Saddam . He was spot on , and ready to send my brother and the 1 / 3 Marines storming into the deserts of Iraq.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:13 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
I thought he flew fighters off-carrier, not bombers?

Wrong again. No surprise there eh?

Drop your arrogance. I asked a simple question. I wasn't questioning AGM, I honestly thought he flew fighters. It didn't matter in any regard. You just have too much arrogance to even drop it for a minute, can you?

Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):

And Cheney got SIX deferments from the military-

Does he even play golf?

Does it matter? It was brought up that Biden got a deferment. Cheney got six. Where's your sarcasm at that? Oh, I forgot-Cheney is a Republican, and you don't have the ability to critisize anyone with (R) after their name.

Quoting DXing (Reply 27):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 26):
and Bush hid in the National Guard


Keep digging that hole. Of course everyone in the National Guard was a coward right?

You mentioned the word coward, not me. It never entered my mind.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 28):
When they use their family to get out of war combat, yes.

Dan Quayle, anyone?  Smile
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:10 pm

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 28):
But, during war time with a draft on, getting into the NG to avoid active combat service is something else altogether.

Still a devotee of the Dan Rather school of journalism I see. Flying an F-102 (that's a fighter jet) is not something just anyone can do, family or no. But I guess that like Falcon, you believe everyone who served in the NG was just ducking.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 28):
You forget, very quickly, that John McCain, John Kerry, and Al Gore actually went to Vietnam while your boy Bush stayed behind to defend the skies over Alabama thanks to daddy.

And President Clinton defended Oxford, England. When are you guys going to get it, it works both ways from now on and forever. That argument is just useless.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 28):
Let's see.... Bush I flew during WWII. We all know that and we all appriciate that. Yet, a staunch right-winger uses one small thing to make himself think he is so much better and to prove that the opposition is wrong on every level. That is very typical of a right-wing argument.

This entire Biden thing, as well as many others is a small thing. Yet first opportunity, let's turn it into a Bush/Cheny bash. For several years after the 2004 election democrats and liberals kept saying, "the Clinton presidency is over lets move on", same thing applies in this situation. As for facts, your fact wrong-o-meter needle is so bent up as to be useless. If you two want to continue to put out bogus information please do, but expect to be called on it every single time.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 30):
I wasn't questioning AGM, I honestly thought he flew fighters.

It took 2 clicks of the mouse, seven key strokes, and a scroll to fact check myself before I posted. Damn that was hard work. If I didn't have to work tonite I might treat myself to a beer to help cool down.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 30):
Does it matter?

You brought it up so I guess it does to you.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 30):
You mentioned the word coward, not me. It never entered my mind.

Sure, you really meant to intone that President Bush and everyone else that served in the NG during the Vietnam war was serving not only honorably but proudly as well, you just worded it very poorly. I'll accept that.


Public figures, and there are many of them, have a certain set of blinders for some reason and are unable to stop and say, "what's this going to look like not if, but when, it goes public?" and then reign themselves in.

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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:17 pm



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 30):
Oh, I forgot-Cheney is a Republican

Who had "other priorities" rather than fighting in Vietnam.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:38 am



Quoting DXing (Reply 31):
you believe everyone who served in the NG was just ducking.

How many times was Bush II deployed to Vietnam? How many missions did he fly over Vietnam? I am NOT talking about EVERY person enlisted in the NG. I am only talking about Bush II. I have made that crystal clear.

Quoting DXing (Reply 31):
When are you guys going to get it, it works both ways from now on and forever. That argument is just useless.

Did you even notice I listed McCain? What does Clinton have to do with anything? Besides, he didn't use his family to get out of service, did he?

Quoting DXing (Reply 31):
For several years after the 2004 election democrats and liberals kept saying, "the Clinton presidency is over lets move on",

Yet, as soon as Obama was elected, the right started claiming the recession was Obama's doing and unemployment was Obama's doing and bank failures were Obama's fault. Any time any problems under Bush were brought up, the stock right-wing response was "Its Clinton's fault! Blame Clinton!"
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Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33):
How many times was Bush II deployed to Vietnam? How many missions did he fly over Vietnam? I am NOT talking about EVERY person enlisted in the NG. I am only talking about Bush II. I have made that crystal clear.

Your statement indicts one, and could be applied to indict them all. Don't like it, stop doing it.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33):
Did you even notice I listed McCain? What does Clinton have to do with anything? Besides, he didn't use his family to get out of service, did he?

I noticed that your entire argument is that since President Bush didn't go to Vietnam, even though he served in the NG, he was somehow a draft dodger. President Clinton didn't even had the decency to do that. Nope, no family connection, he whined his way out.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 33):
Yet, as soon as Obama was elected, the right started claiming the recession was Obama's doing and unemployment was Obama's doing and bank failures were Obama's fault. Any time any problems under Bush were brought up, the stock right-wing response was "Its Clinton's fault! Blame Clinton!"

As did the left when Bush took office. Even though the vast majority of Erons and Worldcoms shenanigans took place under the Clinton administration time in office, whose fault was it supposedly? Your arguments are so predictable.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:14 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
President Clinton didn't even had the decency to do that. Nope, no family connection, he whined his way out.

He had to think about it and use his own brain instead of running to daddy. He stood up for something he believed in, instead of just going along with the status quo. Shameful.....

Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
Your statement indicts one, and could be applied to indict them all. Don't like it, stop doing it.

So, I talk about one specific person and you jump to the conclusion that I am talking about every single guard member? I don't even have words. I refuse to continue with this as you are way out of line.

Quoting DXing (Reply 34):
Even though the vast majority of Erons and Worldcoms shenanigans took place under the Clinton administration time in office, whose fault was it supposedly?

That would be Enron and Worldcom. I know the conclusion you are jumping to, but you have no proof that Clinton was responsible for Enron and Worldcom. If anything, it was the lax business oversight accelerated by Congress that did it.
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:23 pm



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
He stood up for something he believed in

 rotfl   rotfl  So did Muhammad Ali and he went to jail. Since President Clinton had made friends in the right places he went to Oxford. Gee, that's fair don't you think?

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
I refuse to continue with this as you are way out of line.

Nice to see you finally took some good advice although I am anything but out of line.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
I know the conclusion you are jumping to, but you have no proof that Clinton was responsible for Enron and Worldcom. If anything, it was the lax business oversight accelerated by Congress that did it

 rotfl   rotfl  I didn't say he was responsible but that didn't stop those on the left from associating Ken Lay with President Bush even though the vast majority of Enrons financial deceptions took place while President Clinton was in office and in charge of the government regulators that are supposed to be watching for that sort of thing. But hey, don't let that little fact stop you from your  spin  .
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RE: Joe Biden ..Golfing In Vegas .

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:37 pm



Quoting Slider (Reply 25):

Reminiscent of Al Czervik in his checked pants, hair plugs, perma-tan and capped teeth. Used car salesman. And being a good plaigerizer, I’m sure he too has creative numbers to put on his scorecard.

LOL! Classic Big grin

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
That doesn't mean he is not 4F for military service. To be blunt, there is no way that the military (especially Army or Marines) would want to provide specialized medications to various members just to maintain normal duty levels. It is even a greater fantasy to assume the the military could keep an asthmatic medicated in the jungle or rice patties in Nam.

Definitely more than fair enough  checkmark  No such luck for Mr. Cheney - who probably would've had heart problems in 'Nam.

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Quoting Santosdumont (Reply 19):
Then surely a certain graduate of Phillips-Exeter Academy, Yale, and Harvard, not to mention a member of Skull and Bones, falls into that category -- his difficulties with the English language notwithstanding.

Still waiting for a response to this one. Paging Dr. Zhivago...  Yeah sure
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