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Kill Obama T-shirts

Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:18 pm



http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/12033

Now, I have some issues with this article. First of all, it doesn't say who came up with these shirts or how widely they have been circulated. Second, it blankets all "Christian Conservatives" as being responsible for this, when this is clearly not a move of a majority of people.

That said, I would be far more impressed with Christian Conservatives if people who normally are loudly against Obama would stand up and say that this is completely unacceptable. Wishing death and destruction not only on him, but on his wife and children is truly ghastly. (If you don't understand why this shirt says that, read the article).

I don't think it constitutes a specific death threat. Nobody specified that they would be doing it or how they would be doing it. But I do think that if you buy or wear this T-shirt, you'd better be prepared to have the Secret Service closely watching you.

How can the United States of America have any future when this kind of behavior is running rampant? When people are more interested in destroying the other side than working together for our future, we have no future.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:19 pm

Psalm 109:

8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.
9 May his children be fatherless
and his wife a widow.
10 May his children be wandering beggars;
may they be driven [d] from their ruined homes.

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I want to see Windy, NIKV, and Dreadnought explain why this "pastor" is okay. And I want to hear KC135TopBoom explain why this guy is not acting in an un-Christian way.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:31 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
That said, I would be far more impressed with Christian Conservatives if people who normally are loudly against Obama would stand up and say that this is completely unacceptable.

I think it was intended as severely tongue-in-cheek, but I agree this is unacceptable, due to the fact that that you do have a few nutcases around who hear voices and think they are destined to do something like that.

Just a note: The website that sells this shirt also sold shirts like the one below. Aparently they'll sell anything for a buck.

This was sold from CafePress.com

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Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:36 pm

Nuf said:



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Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:38 pm

While conservatives have traditionally been upset when a Democrat is elected President it seems that the level of hate is far higher than ever before. It would be naive to believe that the color of the President's skin isn't a factor in this. It has to be difficult for the hard right to understand that the voters in this country really preferred a black man over the purity of the conservative religion. Didn't matter that voters felt Obama had better potential to help this country. And they don't want to admit that COnservatives hurt this country far more in the 8 Bush/Cheney years than they helped.

So now we have hate as a normal attitude, shirts that are obscene to reasonably minded people and the numbers of threats against Obama over twice the level Bush "enjoyed".

And the really sad part? This situation is not unexpected in this country.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:04 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 1):

I want to see Windy, NIKV, and Dreadnought explain why this "pastor" is okay. And I want to hear KC135TopBoom explain why this guy is not acting in an un-Christian way.

 no Sorry, but this doesn't strike me as Dreadnought's style.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
but I agree this is unacceptable,

See? Told you so.

The reason that he's on my RU list is that, although we seldom agree, we do agree that decency, courtesy, and respect should be an essential part of any such healthy disagreement.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):

Just a note: The website that sells this shirt also sold shirts like the one below. Aparently they'll sell anything for a buck.

Thanks for finding that. Also absolutely unacceptable. You don't wish death on people. You don't wish suffering on them. You CERTAINLY don't wish it on their kids.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:54 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
How can the United States of America have any future when this kind of behavior is running rampant?

But Doc, is the behavior actually running rampant? It seems to me like these T-shirt people and their customers are firmly out in the fringe.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 8:59 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.

OK, where exactly in verse 8 here does it ask for his death. The shirt is only referring to verse 8 which to me states that they want him to be voted out in 2012, nowhere does it call for his death since they are ONLY REFERENCING VERSE 8.

That being said I personally do not agree with the shirt. I think it is in bad taste.
 
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:20 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
Just a note: The website that sells this shirt also sold shirts like the one below. Aparently they'll sell anything for a buck.

This was sold from CafePress.com

Is it in fact the same folks behind both shirts? Remember, CafePress is just the platform. They'll make me a t-shirt with my face and a halo on it - and believe you me, I don't deserve that!  Wink
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:25 pm

Ah, the old "secret Christian code". I'm glad the author of the piece was able to decipher it for us.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
While conservatives have traditionally been upset when a Democrat is elected President it seems that the level of hate is far higher than ever before.

Of course liberals and democrats have never been spiteful or hateful when a republican is in the White House have they?

It's a t-shirt. It's in bad taste. Most t-shirts are in bad taste.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:26 pm



Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 8):
OK, where exactly in verse 8 here does it ask for his death. The shirt is only referring to verse 8 which to me states that they want him to be voted out in 2012, nowhere does it call for his death since they are ONLY REFERENCING VERSE 8.

This:

May his days be few

Can very easily be construed as hoping his life ends soon.

Like telling someone that his/her days are numbered.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:41 pm



Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 8):
The shirt is only referring to verse 8 which to me states that they want him to be voted out in 2012, nowhere does it call for his death since they are ONLY REFERENCING VERSE 8.

Being European and liberal and trying to think best of my fellow man and all that, my initial thought was the same. But then I thought about it a bit more and drew the same conclusion as this....

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
This:

May his days be few

Can very easily be construed as hoping his life ends soon.

Like telling someone that his/her days are numbered.

We may dislike our politicians here in the UK but you won't see commercially available T-shirts or slogan calling directly or indirectly for their death.

Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
It's a t-shirt. It's in bad taste. Most t-shirts are in bad taste.

There's a sweeping statement.....I know some of my older t-shirts are a bit garish but calling them "bad taste" is a bit cheeky......  Smile
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:43 pm



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
May his days be few

Can very easily be construed as hoping his life ends soon.

Can just as easily be construed as hoping his presidency ends soon with the next election cycle. Which is precisely how I see it.

I think calling it a kill Obama shirt is really a huge stretch.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:49 pm



Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
Of course liberals and democrats have never been spiteful or hateful when a republican is in the White House have they?

Of course not.  Smile

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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:52 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Thanks for finding that. Also absolutely unacceptable. You don't wish death on people. You don't wish suffering on them. You CERTAINLY don't wish it on their kids.

 checkmark . Leave the kids out!

Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
Of course liberals and democrats have never been spiteful or hateful when a republican is in the White House have they?

 checkmark  The rhetoric thrown around by the left about Bush/Cheney is only just now rivaled by the rhetoric about Obama. Liberals are still bashing Bush/Cheney.

Quoting DXing (Reply 10):
It's a t-shirt. It's in bad taste. Most t-shirts are in bad taste.

 checkmark  Let me rephrase. Most political t-shirts are done in bad taste IMHO.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:08 pm



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 15):

checkmark The rhetoric thrown around by the left about Bush/Cheney is only just now rivaled by the rhetoric about Obama. Liberals are still bashing Bush/Cheney.

I don't seem to recall any such talk about wishing that Mrs. Bush was a widow and the girls orphans who nobody pities.

I might be left-leaning, but I think that the anti-Obama stuff has been a lot harsher than the anti-Bush stuff ever was. It doesn't excuse the anti-Bush stuff, but this is way beyond it.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 10:23 pm



Quoting D L X (Reply 1):

I want to see Windy, NIKV, and Dreadnought explain why this "pastor" is okay. And I want to hear KC135TopBoom explain why this guy is not acting in an un-Christian way.

Good. Then this means you also want to see the explanations of from our noted leftists on here with the one Dreadnought posted in Reply 3, and that you will also call them out by name and ask for their response.  yes  Humor me and actually do it.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
I think it was intended as severely tongue-in-cheek, but I agree this is unacceptable, due to the fact that that you do have a few nutcases around who hear voices and think they are destined to do something like that.

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While I often disagree with Obama, I would never wish this, and find this behavior unacceptable. I can wait for my chance to peacefully change leaders in November 2012, using the methods set up by our Constitution. I do respect President Obama in that I believe he is doing what he believes in his mind to be the best route for the country, much in the same way President Bush did. I don't believe the President wakes up every morning and goes "How can I screw over the country today" (I have my doubts about other people in Washington, but Obama is not one of them).

Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 13):
I think calling it a kill Obama shirt is really a huge stretch.

If the Psalm wasn't followed by the verses that do follow it, I would agree. But the ones after 109:8 are pretty clear.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:05 pm



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 13):

Can just as easily be construed as hoping his presidency ends soon with the next election cycle. Which is precisely how I see it.

I think calling it a kill Obama shirt is really a huge stretch.

I really don't think any kind of veiled apologism or appreciation for this sort of thing is appropriate - the universal recognition in this thread that this is plainly in bad taste has already been confirmed. Not even worth debating the semantics of this particular psalm when its context is already clear.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:18 pm



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 11):
Can very easily be construed as hoping his life ends soon.

Construe is the key word there. It means you are making an assumption, and as the old saying goes, "you can't spell Assumption without the ASS""  mischievous 

Please don't take that as a shot against you, it wasn't meant that way. What I am just trying to say is that by construing what the t-shirt says you are putting your own interpretation on it, which I don't beleive is correct.

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 8):
OK, where exactly in verse 8 here does it ask for his death

I definately didn't see that.

Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
8 May his days be few;
may another take his place of leadership.

This is the correct quote, the other verses where illrelevent, but IMHO just included to rile up the pro-obama forces on this website. The t-shirt doesn't mention them at all.


And far as this shirt goes, I have seen a hell of a lot worse come from the left wing, socialist, welfare dependent, drugged out, anti-war, hippies, and over-educated east coast idiots, and members of the sceen actors guild.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:23 pm



Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
welfare dependent



Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
and members of the sceen actors guild

Ironic that you lump these two together as some SAG members may soon be applying for welfare benefits. Nicholas Cage and others seem to be in serious financial trouble - loving it!
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:49 pm

It's hard to take anyone of you seriously, especially when you remain so silent when someone like Bill Ayers is planting bombs and doing things that can actually hurt someone when he didn't agree with what the president was doing. Give it a rest.
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Fri Nov 20, 2009 11:57 pm



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 12):
Can just as easily be construed as hoping his presidency ends soon with the next election cycle.

Cool. I didn't say otherwise.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
Construe is the key word there. It means you are making an assumption, and as the old saying goes, "you can't spell Assumption without the ASS"" mischievous

Please don't take that as a shot against you, it wasn't meant that way. What I am just trying to say is that by construing what the t-shirt says you are putting your own interpretation on it, which I don't beleive is correct.

OK. But you realize that every person who reads the shirt is using their own powers of interpretation. Everyone is assuming something.

And frankly, I think the next couple verses are quite appropriate to use as context. The part about leaving his kids fatherless, and his wife a widow.

Otherwise, I'm sure there are other quotes in the Bible (or elsewhere) that could have been used.

Also, I didn't put my interpretation on anything. So I guess you assumed I put my interpretation in my post....?
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:04 am



Quoting EA772LR (Reply 14):
Liberals are still bashing Bush/Cheney.

And Republicans are still bashing Clinton. So......?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
I have seen a hell of a lot worse come from the left wing, socialist, welfare dependent, drugged out, anti-war, hippies, and over-educated east coast idiots, and members of the sceen actors guild.

Yes, we all have. From the same group you list during any administration. What of it?

About the shirt: How can anyone calling themselves a Christian actually support this t-shirt or the people behind it? Wishing death upon fellow Christians? Isn't that just as bad, in the eyes of the Lord?
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:11 am



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 21):
And frankly, I think the next couple verses are quite appropriate to use as context.

I vehemently disagree.

But It you want to considering the following verses that where not listed on the shirt one other thing to consider is that the quote was written at a time when kings not elected officials ruled.

The rules of succession where a bit different back then and don't translate to modern times.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:24 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
But It you want to considering the following verses that where not listed on the shirt one other thing to consider is that the quote was written at a time when kings not elected officials ruled.

The rules of succession where a bit different back then and don't translate to modern times.

In that case, the quoted verse doesn't translate to modern times either.

Which is fine....It's a stupid T-shirt anyway.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:27 am



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 24):
In that case, the quoted verse doesn't translate to modern times either.

Well iI wasn't planning to buy it either.

But you have to concede that it doesn't out right say "Kill Obama" like the one that was pictured in reply#2 doesn.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:32 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 22):
Wishing death upon fellow Christians?

He's a Muslim born in Africa. Didn't you get the memo?

What I wonder is who would subscribe to a religion whose holy books would ever wish such horrible things on someone's family. Even in the case of the most horrible tyrant king, his little children are innocent of the sins of the father.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:38 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 20):
It's hard to take anyone of you seriously, especially when you remain so silent when someone like Bill Ayers

Selective memory NIKV. People on this board (including myself) did condemn Ayers.

but don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs.

Oh, and I can't help but note that you didn't denounce the tshirt.

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 7):
OK, where exactly in verse 8 here does it ask for his death.

and

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 21):
And frankly, I think the next couple verses are quite appropriate to use as context.

I vehemently disagree.

Of course you would! because it is absolutely destructive to your argument for it to be anything more than just that. But if you're a churchgoer, you know good and well that when the pastor says open your bible and beginning reading at chapter X verse Y, you don't stop reading at the end of Y. The message is the entirety, and the message is in the context. Your argument is crap.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Quoting D L X (Reply 1):

I want to see Windy, NIKV, and Dreadnought explain why this "pastor" is okay. And I want to hear KC135TopBoom explain why this guy is not acting in an un-Christian way.


Sorry, but this doesn't strike me as Dreadnought's style.

Good. I want to respect him, but his position in the case of burning a politician in effigy was dubious. Which is why I wanted his opinion on this, instead of silence.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
I agree this is unacceptable

Thank you.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
This was sold from CafePress.com

Also reprehensible.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 16):
Then this means you also want to see the explanations of from our noted leftists on here with the one Dreadnought posted in Reply 3, and that you will also call them out by name and ask for their response. Humor me and actually do it.

I have yet to see a single instance of a "noted leftist" saying that propaganda suggesting violence is acceptable. However, I *have* seen those on the right turn a blind eye against it, or even condone it. Notably Windy.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:47 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 21):
And frankly, I think the next couple verses are quite appropriate to use as context.

I vehemently disagree.

But It you want to considering the following verses that where not listed on the shirt one other thing to consider is that the quote was written at a time when kings not elected officials ruled.

The rules of succession where a bit different back then and don't translate to modern times.

I find it strange how willing "Christians" are to use absolutely every bible quote out of context, but scream if MSNBC uses something they feel to be an out of context quote.

And as far as your argument about elected officials... in my book, that makes this instance of using this particular quote even worse, precisely *because* Obama was duly elected by the majority of American voters. (As in those who got their behind to a polling station on 4th November 2008.)
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 12:47 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
over-educated east coast idiots

Like G.W. Bush from Kennebunkport, ME with a Yale education?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
members of the sceen actors guild.

Like Ronald Reagan?

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 14):
Liberals are still bashing Bush/Cheney.

 checkmark  Some are still whining about the FL vote in 2000. It's over folks, move on.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:03 am



Quoting ER757 (Reply 29):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 18):
members of the sceen actors guild.

Like Ronald Reagan?

He was a democrat at the time.

Actually his presidency of the SAG was one of the reasons he converted to the side of good...the republicans.

Besides, I don't think anybody would got it if I had referenced the "Film Actors Guild" from Team American.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 1:35 am



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):

How can the United States of America have any future when this kind of behavior is running rampant? When people are more interested in destroying the other side than working together for our future, we have no future.



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
That said, I would be far more impressed with Christian Conservatives if people who normally are loudly against Obama would stand up and say that this is completely unacceptable.

That behavior is restricted to the usual anarchists and extremist groups who spend the majority of their lives protesting at political venues. Essentially it's been the same t-shirt for every President, but the layout has been changed to reflect the current administration.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
I don't seem to recall any such talk about wishing that Mrs. Bush was a widow and the girls orphans who nobody pities.

You're kidding right? That's just pure ignorance on your part. Bush was probably the most hated President in US history. There are people who still follow him around and hold protests at every street corner within a 50 mile radius.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
I might be left-leaning, but I think that the anti-Obama stuff has been a lot harsher than the anti-Bush stuff ever was.

I think you just notice it more now because you care about and admire the current President, compared to the last one.

Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
I want to see Windy, NIKV, and Dreadnought explain why this "pastor" is okay. And I want to hear KC135TopBoom explain why this guy is not acting in an un-Christian way.

That's malicious and defamatory. Thanks to you, we'll probably see most of this thread disappear.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:07 am



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 12):
I think calling it a kill Obama shirt is really a huge stretch.

I'm not too savvy on bible verses and passages so to me this just looks, if anything like a pro-obama shirt such as to literally 'pray for obama.' Apparently it means a lot worse when one puts it into context.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 22):
And Republicans are still bashing Clinton. So......?

Not really anymore. Clinton is old news and many people regardless of party people were making money because of the dot com bubble under clinton's administration. Not to mention the conservative majority in the house from 1994 onwards as well. Conservatives ganged up on Clinton noticeably twice in his administration. The first during his first term when the economy was still in the crapper and his approval ratings were down and the second during the 1998 Monica Lewinsky scandal.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 30):
Actually his presidency of the SAG was one of the reasons he converted to the side of good...the republicans.

And the hard lefties say that Reagan became a conservative because he was going senile
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While the inner meaning of this t-shirt is very degrading and i disapprove of it, people have to loosen up about criticisms toward Obama. Remember that Bush was well-hated going into office after the whole 2000 florida supreme court thing and even after ratings boost post 9/11 many were quick to judge him about Iraq in 2003. It was shortly after that when you had the extreme leftist coming out with t-shirts, bumper stickers, and other various anti-bush memorabilia. And these are the same people that voted for Obama. And now you have people who say that the Obama criticisms are not justified because people are racist against him based on his skin color. Give me a break. With the exception of a very small minority of people, we as a country are passed all of that nonsense.

People, its politics. When one party is in expect the other party to harshly judge the dominant party that is in control. Rarely you will have a president that can effectively bridge the two extremes together. One of the most recent examples was the "Reagan Democrats" during the 1980s but again, a rare breed and they formed in party because of the strong economy at the time. While I was pretty opened mined to Obama helping to bring both Dems and Repubs together based on his acceptance speech, I have yet to see it from his administration. And as a moderate, I KNOW that I am not alone in this mindset.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:42 am

There is a very fine line between Constitutionally protected free speech and hate speech.
To me, this shirt is using a very subtile form of hate speech, only those of considerable knowlege of the Bible would immediately understand this reference to scriptures. Upon the reading of the referred scripture section and it's following lines, it is clear those that would wear such a shirt wants President Obama no longer in power, to be dead and his family to suffer. It was wrong to do such shirts as to any political person like now former Presidents Clinton and GWB. I would also suspect that as word gets out as to this t-shrit and it's real meaning or if you came across some who know the meaning of the scripture reference, you might face a psychical confrontation.

If you don't like Obama as the President and want to say it publically on a t-shirt, then get a shirt made saying 'Impeach Obama', which I suspect various versions are available at various t-shirt vendors, much like ones were around as to Clinton and GWB. That is far more reasoned and less offensive than this shirt.
 
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:55 am



Quoting L-188 (Reply 25):
But you have to concede that it doesn't out right say "Kill Obama"

I don't have to concede anything, since I never said that in the first place.

I do have to ask something, though, upon further reflection:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
I vehemently disagree.

If the surrounding verses in the Bible cannot be used for context, then what possibly can? Absolutely nothing anywhere ever can put those words in better context than the words immediately surrounding them. And that goes for just about everything - speeches, books, articles, etc. People always complain about certain words or phrases being taken out of context; the argument is usually that they were selectively quoted.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 30):
Besides, I don't think anybody would got it if I had referenced the "Film Actors Guild" from Team American.

I sure would have! Freaking hilarious.

You might have gotten the post deleted though, if someone got offended  Smile
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:11 am



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 32):
when you had the extreme leftist coming out with t-shirts, bumper stickers, and other various anti-bush memorabilia. And these are the same people that voted for Obama.

Add to that the moderates and independants that were sick of the GOP who would have (and probably did) vote for anyone who was not a Republican. But, thanks for painting everyone who voted for Obama with such a broad brush.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:19 am



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 35):
Add to that the moderates and independants that were sick of the GOP who would have (and probably did) vote for anyone who was not a Republican. But, thanks for painting everyone who voted for Obama with such a broad brush.

Yeah take my mom for instance who voted for GWB twice and then voted for Obama  eyepopping 
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:01 pm



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 32):
People, its politics.

No it's not, it's somewhere between a harmless joke or incitement to violence (depending where you sit on the political spectrum).

This is politics (from definitions.net):

Quote:
1. (noun) politics
the science of government; that part of ethics which has to do with the regulation and government of a nation or state, the preservation of its safety, peace, and prosperity, the defense of its existence and rights against foreign control or conquest, the augmentation of its strength and resources, and the protection of its citizens in their rights, with the preservation and improvement of their morals

2. (noun) politics
the management of a political party; the conduct and contests of parties with reference to political measures or the administration of public affairs; the advancement of candidates to office; in a bad sense, artful or dishonest management to secure the success of political candidates or parties; political trickery

Is this t-shirt "political trickery" then?
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:43 pm



Quoting Fruitbat (Reply 40):
This is politics (from definitions.net):

I prefer this definition: The word "politics" is derived from the word "poly", meaning
'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:51 pm



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 41):
I prefer this definition: The word "politics" is derived from the word "poly", meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.

Hmmm...certainly food for thought:





Yep, that's definitely what they look like. Good call Sir Charles...I'm going to use that from now on.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 6:25 pm



Quoting TheCol (Reply 31):

I think you just notice it more now because you care about and admire the current President, compared to the last one.

No. He's had twice as many death threats as any president in history. It's not just me.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 31):

You're kidding right? That's just pure ignorance on your part. Bush was probably the most hated President in US history. There are people who still follow him around and hold protests at every street corner within a 50 mile radius.

I *NEVER* heard anyone wish ill on his kids or wife. *NEVER* Yes, when his girls got caught drinking under age, they got razzed for it and they deserved it because they made the dumb move of trying to use a fake ID when they were nationally recognized. But nobody ever did this sort of thing.

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):

Good. I want to respect him, but his position in the case of burning a politician in effigy was dubious.

No it wasn't. He said it was in poor taste, but ultimately harmless. Which is correct.

Look, do what you want to Obama. He's the President. Got himself elected, and so he'd better be ready to take it. Wish him death, smallpox, or, worst of all, my aunt's cooking. It's tasteless, it's uncivilized, it's base, and it shows what asses these people are.

But when you drag his wife and kids into it, that's crossing a very thick line.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:15 pm



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 43):
No. He's had twice as many death threats as any president in history. It's not just me.

Source? I suppose it's possible, knowing that there are still a few white supremacist groups still active in the states. But beyond that, I doubt there are more people willing to spout off crazy stuff like that than usual.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 43):
I *NEVER* heard anyone wish ill on his kids or wife. *NEVER* Yes, when his girls got caught drinking under age, they got razzed for it and they deserved it because they made the dumb move of trying to use a fake ID when they were nationally recognized. But nobody ever did this sort of thing.

Yeah, I will agree with you there. The Bush twins got more sexist and perverted comments directed at them than anything else.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:32 pm



Quoting L-188 (Reply 30):
Besides, I don't think anybody would got it if I had referenced the "Film Actors Guild" from Team American.

I would have gotten it.  biggrin 

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
I *NEVER* heard anyone wish ill on his kids or wife. *NEVER* Yes, when his girls got caught drinking under age, they got razzed for it and they deserved it because they made the dumb move of trying to use a fake ID when they were nationally recognized. But nobody ever did this sort of thing.

So did everyone miss the last election and how much Palin and her family were railed on by the media?
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:53 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 42):
So did everyone miss the last election and how much Palin and her family were railed on by the media?

Did you somehow miss the obvious hypocrisy between Palin's campaign trail stumping for unrealistic, government-hands-in-your-home family values and what her own kids were up to?
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:02 am



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 40):
I *NEVER* heard anyone wish ill on his kids or wife.

This shirt isn't doing that to Obama either it says verse 8 it means verse 8. If it meant the other verses it would have said so. It doesn't cost anymore to add a -10 if the intent was to include those verses.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:00 am



Quoting TheCol (Reply 41):

Yeah, I will agree with you there. The Bush twins got more sexist and perverted comments directed at them than anything else.

No. The Bush girls got left alone, for the most part. When they got caught using fake ID, I think most of the criticisms were directed at her father for not having raised them to do this. But other than a national razzing for their dumb adolescent move, they have been left alone.

I'll add something:

Chelsea was a perfect lady. She never made one of these mistakes because she knew better. She understood that the rules were different for her. You can say what you will about her dad, but you must admit that he and Mrs. Clinton raised one incredible young woman. I went to school with her and I know her personally and you will not find a single one of her contemporaries from Stanford who will say a bad thing about her. She didn't drink (at least not in public) before 21 and she was a lovely young woman and a hard-working student.

To the degree that these daughters reflected on their fathers, I think Chelsea was the more impressive.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:08 am



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 42):
So did everyone miss the last election and how much Palin and her family were railed on by the media?

Palin brought it on her family. She campaigned as a "family values" politician, then carted her family out like trophies at almost every stop. She tried to preach to others about morality, while publically prading her own pregnant daughter at every chance.

Children of a candidate to make appearances from time to time, but most politicians don't end up in a running fued with the media over them. Jimmy Carter didn't with Amy; The Clinton's didn't with Chelsea; George W. didn't with the twins; and Obama with Sasha and Melia. Palin, on the other hand, WANTED a fight with the media-hell, she's STILL picking fights with them, all to bring up the specter of the hated "mainstream media". Yet most of the confrontation is her doing, not the other way around.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:16 am

Funny I don't remember a topic being made about it. You may have agreed to co

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 46):
Palin brought it on her family. She campaigned as a "family values" politician, then carted her family out like trophies at almost every stop

This is just CNN spin. Bringing your family out is normal campaign procedure. She didn't try to use her trophies. This is just a talking point the far left uses because they hate her and what she stands for. Same as the whacks in SF who disrupt church services to show people they have no tolerance for whoever doesn't agree with them. It's disgusting.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:24 am



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 47):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 46):
Palin brought it on her family. She campaigned as a "family values" politician, then carted her family out like trophies at almost every stop

This is just CNN spin.

Uh, whatever. I don't watch CNN; FOX, or anyone else right now. I don't watch much TV at all, unless it's sports or one or two programs I record. So much for that lame line, NIK.
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RE: Kill Obama T-shirts

Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:08 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 48):
Uh, whatever. I don't watch CNN; FOX, or anyone else right now. I don't watch much TV at all, unless it's sports or one or two programs I record.

And Lord knows living in Cleveland, you can't even call the teams that you're watching "sports".  wink   duck 
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