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Chavez Hails Terrorist, Dictators

Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:39 pm

Can't say I'm surprised by anything this guy does/says anymore. .

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In a speech to international socialist politicians, Mr Chavez said "Carlos", a Venezuelan, was not a terrorist but a key "revolutionary fighter".

He is serving a life sentence in France for murders committed in 1975.

Mr Chavez also hailed Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the late Ugandan dictator Idi Amin.

'Great nationalist'

Carlos, whose real name is Ilich Ramirez Sanchez, gained international notoriety in the 1970s as a mastermind of deadly bombings, assassinations and hostage-takings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8372250.stm

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Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:43 pm

Nothing new about that. We all know Chávez supports known terrorists (e.g. Carlos, the FARC) and known dictators such as Mass Murderer Mugabe, Mahmoud IWantAJihad and Krazy Kim.
 
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RE: Chavez Hails Terrorist, Dictators

Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:45 pm

Just noticed no where on what I quoted says "Carlos the Jackal", as he is most commonly known. My mistake.
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:46 pm

Absolute crack pot IMHO. Cant believe that the Venezuelan people are standing for it.
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:50 pm

Seems currently to be hell-bent on war with Colombia ... which might provide a pretext to get rid of him.

Amid all his hot air and talk, has he actually improved the lot of the Venezuelan people?
 
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Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:56 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Cant believe that the Venezuelan people are standing for it.

Well, most of the people who voted for him were people who lived below the poverty line and were "recruited" with hot soups and false promisses. Sure, there are some people who do not live in poverty, supporting him, but I believe those are the vast minority of people in the country. The rest is either very silent about it, has to keep quiet if they don't want to lose their jobs or become second class citizens, or is simply indifferent. And those who do protest are mostly students, who get attacked by counterprotests from Chávez friendly students.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
Amid all his hot air and talk, has he actually improved the lot of the Venezuelan people?

No, he made things worse. For starters, the government wants to formally restrict freedom of speech, plus he's trying to get indefinite re-elections to be installed, so he can remain in power until at least 2030.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:33 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
No, he made things worse. For starters, the government wants to formally restrict freedom of speech, plus he's trying to get indefinite re-elections to be installed, so he can remain in power until at least 2030

So Adolf Hitler is pretty much reincarnated, in the form of this @$#hole!! What a corrupt bastard! He makes our crooked politicians look like saints!  scared 
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:41 am



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
So Adolf Hitler is pretty much reincarnated, in the form of this @$#hole!! What a corrupt bastard! He makes our crooked politicians look like saints! scared

Like I've said many times, there are many similarities between Chávez and Hitler, mostly of how they tried to get into power, and now how they're consolidating power for themselves. With Chávez, the term "Gleichschaltung" tends to come to mind again. Nowadays, the only difference between Hitler and Chávez is purely in terms of domestic political ideology, plus the fact that, while he doesn't want to commit genocide like Hitler, that Chávez discriminates his opponents equally, regardless of religion and ethnicity.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:21 am



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
has he actually improved the lot of the Venezuelan people?

Check this out:

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091118-715953.html

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:39 am

Seems like most of the people he admires are or were abject failures of one kind or another, so the good news is, he'll probably follow them right into an ignominious end.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:49 am



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 6):
So Adolf Hitler is pretty much reincarnated

Not really. Adolf Hitler, for all his evilness, was actually a brillant mastermind.

Chavez is an idiot.
Hearing any of his speech will make you believe GW Bush was a rethorical genius.

I don't expect him to be able to maintain his dictat for very long. He's just not smart enough for that. As said above, he's turning the country into a latent economic catastrophe, and the people of Venezuela are starting to feel the concrete reality of it, such as the worsening infrastructure, security, education, health, the rampant poverty, etc...

Such regimes are usually overthrown by the very people who helped them come to power. This one won't be any different.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:58 am



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 10):
Not really. Adolf Hitler, for all his evilness, was actually a brillant mastermind.

He was a lunatic, nothing more. There was nothing brilliant about the man. He was a butcher; a thug, as close to the Anti-Christ as has ever walked this earth.

He governed through fear, intimidation and brutality. There was nothing in his charachter or makeup that was remotely laudable. The only reason he got to where he was before his cowardly demise was the stupidity of the Western Powers, who tried to appease their way to peace, and only made this madman more ambitious.

There's a special place in Hell for Schickelgruber. And Stalin is living right next door to him.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:32 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
He was a lunatic, nothing more. There was nothing brilliant about the man. He was a butcher; a thug, as close to the Anti-Christ as has ever walked this earth.

He governed through fear, intimidation and brutality. There was nothing in his charachter or makeup that was remotely laudable. The only reason he got to where he was before his cowardly demise was the stupidity of the Western Powers, who tried to appease their way to peace, and only made this madman more ambitious.

On this you're dead wrong. A person can be bereft of an sense of morality and still be a brilliant. Hitler was a brilliant military tachtician who was also a genocidal mass-murderer.
A person can be the very embodiment of evil and still be brilliant. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Also, appeasement is just one of the causes of Hitler's consolidation of power and it is, IMHO, highly overrated. Hitler would have started World War II whether or not the West had appeased him. Appeasement simply sped up the process.

Moreover, a much more relevant circumstance that facilitated the power vacuum that resulted in Hitler's rise to power were the conditions imposed by the Western Powers in the Treaty of Versailles. Hitler was able to take advantage of the suffering of the German people as a direct result of those conditions thus allowing him to gain power.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:37 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 12):
On this you're dead wrong. A person can be bereft of an sense of morality and still be a brilliant. Hitler was a brilliant military tachtician who was also a genocidal mass-murderer.

He wasn't a brilliant tactician. He played solely on the stupidity of Britian and France before the war, and on France for hiding behind the Maginot line in 1940. Nothing brilliant about either.

And he showed his brilliance in his move when he invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. As much as he studied Napoleon, he certainly didn't learn that little man's lesson when he invaded Russia.

There was nothing brilliant about the man. Nothing at all. Had his generals and the Western Powers had any balls before the war, and stood up to him, 70 million people might have survived that next decade.
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
He wasn't a brilliant tactician. He played solely on the stupidity of Britian and France before the war, and on France for hiding behind the Maginot line in 1940. Nothing brilliant about either.

Again, that is but one of many factors that aided Hitler in his rise to power. Neville Chamberlain could have refused to cede the Sudetenland to Hitler but the war would not have been averted.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
There was nothing brilliant about the man. Nothing at all.

It takes more than sheer luck to rally the German people behind you and to create a war machine that was able to bring Europe to its knees.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Had his generals and the Western Powers had any balls before the war, and stood up to him, 70 million people might have survived that next decade.

The Western European powers could have stood up to Hitler until they were blue in the face and all they would have done was to delay the start of war. The war was going to happen no matter what The Western Powers did. Hitler's ambitions were such and his power in Germany was so absolute that the only thing that would have prevented the war would have been a bullet in the head.

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:17 am



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Seems like most of the people he admires are or were abject failures of one kind or another, so the good news is, he'll probably follow them right into an ignominious end.

I hope we can help to speed him on his way to that end.
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:24 am

Not only his rhetoric but also his deeds.
He threatens to go with war with us and the next sentence he says is "I feel more Colombian than the S.O.B Colombian chancellor and president, long life Colombia!"

(in the last ourburst)

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Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:36 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
It takes more than sheer luck to rally the German people behind you and to create a war machine that was able to bring Europe to its knees.

What Hitler said in his speeches was the typical rhetorical bullshit we are known from politicians, combined with some of his ideologic views. The thing that made people listen to him is the way he transmitted it to them. His enthusiasm, passion and gestures during his speeches were what made people even follow Hitler or at least support him (with or without knowing what he actually wants to do).

As to his military achievements, he got lucky that he surprised Poland and France, and for a while also Russia, but he's not a genius. Hitler was nothing more than a Corporal from Austria who fought for the Bavarian Army during the Great War as a messenger. Even his commanding officer didn't want him enough to promote him, and it had nothing to do ith the fact that back then, he wasn't German. In fact, if you look at WWII, remember that he ordered the Wehrmacht to stand its ground in Stalingrad, when the battle was already lost. He didn't know when to retreat, and threatened people with a transfer to the Russian front if they don't obey him.

Now, this leads me to another difference between him and Chávez: As said before, Hitler was only a Corporal in the Bavarian Army, Chávez is a senior officer in the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. Chávez may be a brilliant military mastermind, which can make him even more dangerous than Hitler was during peacetime.
 
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Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:21 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
There was nothing brilliant about the man. Nothing at all.

It takes more than sheer luck to rally the German people behind you and to create a war machine that was able to bring Europe to its knees.

Yes. Racism; hatred; and looking for a scapegoat for your problems. With all due respect to the German people of today, their forefathers in that time period WANTED exactly what Hitler gave them-a scapegoat. And what did we get out of it? A race or people narly wiped off the map; and 70 million dead in the war.

It wasn't from anything Schickelgruber did; it was from the blind hatred of the German Volk that gave him his rise to power.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
The Western European powers could have stood up to Hitler until they were blue in the face and all they would have done was to delay the start of war.

Oh, you're wrong. In 1936, when Hitler took the Rhineland, had France and Britian had said "you're not going there", and backed it up, the war would have been averted; same thing when Hitler took the Sudetenland. Had the two European powers of the time simply stood up to him, chances are Hitler never would have been able to launch the war, and millions would have been saved.

You see, appeasment makes the appeased only more arrogant and greedy. Had that greed been forcefully rebuffed, history would have been irrevocably altered.

Despite what he is, Chavez is no Hitler. There isn't a Hitler on the planet right now, and there are some incredibly evil people roaming this earth. He was, perhaps, the most loathsome human being ever to walk the earth. He set humanity back by his very existence.
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