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Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:31 pm

Should have done it 2 seasons ago; what a waste of resources. ND still owes Weis $15+ million. There are a couple alumni that said they'd gladly write a check before the 2009 season kicked off. Thoughts who will succeed Weis? Meyer? Stoops?


http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/1...-Weis-fired-as-coach-of-Notre-Dame
 
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:35 pm

Long time coming, well Weis should give the Cleveland Browns a call. They will need a coach soon.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:38 pm

After this season is said and done, I still like Urban Meyer to go after his dream job. Mission accomplished in Gainsville (2 titles and Tebow to NFL).

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Weis should give the Cleveland Browns a call.

At least let Holmgren (rumored) give him O coordinator and bring Quinn out of his funk.
 
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:43 pm

I kind of feel bad for Weis, because that is the most pressure filled job in all of college sports. The only one that compares is UCLA basketball, and that is tempered by the generally laid back nature of the alumni. That said, he let his ego get in the way of running a successful program.

Quoting Fxramper (Thread starter):
Thoughts who will succeed Weis? Meyer? Stoops?

Harbaugh has been rumored as well. He certainly showed off to ND on Saturday.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:52 pm



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
After this season is said and done, I still like Urban Meyer to go after his dream job. Mission accomplished in Gainsville (2 titles and Tebow to NFL).

Meyer already said no way.

They need to find someone that will come in and build a program with successfull recruiting and a good game plan.

Coaches like Meyer aren't going to be keen to leave good recruiting locations and conferences to go suffer the ills of a Catholic School that preaches the strength of the meek, but prefers to act like a Goliath.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:02 pm

If I was Weis i'd say good riddance to that place. Imagine a fan base where they think it's acceptable to walk up to the starting QB, who was just trying to have dinner with his family, and punch him in the face.

As a UConn fan I was happy when we beat ND a few weeks ago, but Irish fans need to realize that the day of glamor is over for them. They decided not to join a conference and in these days where the BCS only cares about the strength of schedule, ND doesn't have it anymore. Just because they play on NBC every saturday, doesn't mean their a top tier program. And if you disagree, consider this 1-6 against the BIG EAST in football since Weis started including losses to UConn and Syracuse.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:06 pm

You really can't blame Charlie Wies totally. One of the biggest hurdles ND has for many students is the high admission standards many other schools do not have. Just to get admitted in to ND is a lot of hard work.... then to maintain grades to stay on the team is a feat as well. Many student athletes today don't want the hassles of school and sports and take the easy road...find a school with a good football program and lower standards, do 3 years.. take the draft and are playing in the NFL just 3 years after high school. ND has two choices... lower the standards... or accept the fact that they will never again be the power house they were up until about the mid 1980's. Take note that that was also the same time window when football salaries sky rocketed.....
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:11 pm



Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
One of the biggest hurdles ND has for many students is the high admission standards many other schools do not have. Just to get admitted in to ND is a lot of hard work.... then to maintain grades to stay on the team is a feat as well.

Notre Dame MAY be marginally more difficult to get in as a recruit than other FBS programs (with the exception of Stanford, that has significantly higher standards than ND or any other FBS program) but it isn't that difficult. What I will say is that ND coaches are held to a higher standard for graduation rate and GPA (former being more important than the latter) and Weis did a very good job with that in his time there. The reality is though, Weis could never put together a decent defense, and that is why they weren't any good.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:53 pm

LMAO!!

 
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:06 pm



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
Meyer already said no way.

A diplomatic response he had while the season is still ongoing; all bets off after season is over.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
has for many students is the high admission standards

They make accecptions at ALL D-1 schools for student athletes.
 
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:06 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
The only one that compares is UCLA basketball

No way.. that's why Lavin was left there for 6 years in a row without even a top 10 finish in the pac-10?

Kentucky basketball and Alabama football, and it's not even close.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:22 pm

I'm glad I won't have to see that fat....never mind the name calling, but at Purdue we always hated ND and as my parents and friends back home are Trojans, well, it's a good thing we won't have to see him anymore. Maybe we can actually beat them next year.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:31 pm



Quoting FXramper (Reply 9):
A diplomatic response he had while the season is still ongoing; all bets off after season is over.

Well here is a better reason why he won't go.
1. He has a legacy at Florida.
2. Good recruiting at Florida
3. Established Great Program at Florida


The one and only reason he would to Notre Dame, where he would have to rebuild, is if the University Football program can fleece the flock for 5-6 million a year in salary.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:34 pm



Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 10):

No way.. that's why Lavin was left there for 6 years in a row without even a top 10 finish in the pac-10?

1) UCLA was FAR better than a top-10 in the Pac-10 during Lavin's tenure, except for his final season. In fact, they made 1 Elite Eight and 4 Sweet Sixteens. Of course, they did it purely on recruiting talent.

2) Lavin was despised by UCLA students (I was one of them at the time) and alumni, but he had an incredibly well negotiated contract with a public school. He had a massive buy out that made it hard to fire him. He also had an impeccable sense of timing, as his teams would do well in the tournament. It wasn't until the team was absolutely brutal in the 2002-2003 season that they pulled the trigger on his buy out.

3) Back to Lavin being despised. No one liked him and he was constantly crapped on by the media and fan base (including me).

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 10):

Kentucky basketball and Alabama football, and it's not even close.

Alabama was a tough place until Saban came in, though Gene Stallings got 7 years there. As for UK, I don't see it. They kept Tubby in for 10 years without a huge degree of success,
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:42 pm



Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 10):
Kentucky basketball and Alabama football, and it's not even close.

Duke basketball too (for success of the team and players on and off the court), as well as Michigan & Ohio State football and a few other schools where I can easily tell the pressure to win is significantly higher than UCLA basketball. OSU and UM coaches are judged primarily on their record in one game - the OSU - UM game. It's not much of an exaggeration when you say that a coach at OSU or UM could lose every game that season but if they win the OSU - UM game, they'll still have a job next season. And on the flip-side, a coach could have a fairly good season but lose the OSU-UM game and find themselves unemployed the following year.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 5):
the BCS only cares about the strength of schedule, ND doesn't have it anymore.

Notre Dame did not exactly have a "weak" schedule though.
-Nevada
-Michigan
-Michigan State
-Purdue
-Washington
-USC
-Boston College
-Washington State
-Navy
-Pittsburgh
-UConn
-Standford

In the games Notre Dame did lose, they never lost by more than 7 points. I know BCS doesn't factor in "Margin of Victory or Loss" (although I think it should. A #1 ranked team beating a cream-puff team by 30 points is significantly different than that same game where the #1 ranked team only wins by 3 points), but it's not like Notre Dame was humiliated in these games.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:46 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
1) UCLA was FAR better than a top-10 in the Pac-10 during Lavin's tenure,

Oops, i meant to say top 2 finish. Only in his first season did UCLA finish in the top 2 of the conference. After that strong first season, 6 straight years of 3rd or worse in conference and not breaking the sweet 16, that certainly wasn't a glorious stretch for UCLA basketball and I am surprised a buyout didn't happen sooner. One of the reasons i'm of the opinion its a tough and stressful job at UCLA, but not one of the tops.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
As for UK, I don't see it. They kept Tubby in for 10 years without a huge degree of success,

Tubby actually had a lot of success. Much, much more than Lavin at UCLA.
- won the national championship (another final four, 3 more elite eights)
-5 conference titles
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:52 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):
Duke basketball too (for success of the team and players on and off the court)

Well, thats one of the reasons its really tough to judge this, determining the stress and pressure of a job with a long tenured, legendary coach. That's why were usually talking about the legendary programs that have been in slumps and going through coaches every 2-3 years trying to regain glory. If Roy Williams hasn't had this success, we might think of NC on the top.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:25 pm



Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 15):

Oops, i meant to say top 2 finish. Only in his first season did UCLA finish in the top 2 of the conference. After that strong first season, 6 straight years of 3rd or worse in conference and not breaking the sweet 16, that certainly wasn't a glorious stretch for UCLA basketball and I am surprised a buyout didn't happen sooner. One of the reasons i'm of the opinion its a tough and stressful job at UCLA, but not one of the tops.

Again, Lavin's situation was different because of the contract his agent so deftly negotiated. Look at Jim Harrick, Walt Hazzard and Larry Farmer as a better examples of doing nothing worse than not being John Wooden.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 15):
Tubby actually had a lot of success. Much, much more than Lavin at UCLA.
- won the national championship (another final four, 3 more elite eights)
-5 conference titles

Tubby never recruited like Lavin did, which truly saved Fake Riley over and over, and he coached in a much weaker basketball conference for most of his tenure.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):

Duke basketball too (for success of the team and players on and off the court)

Hard to say Duke is a tough job, because Coach K has a job for life. The person who follows him may well be the one who sees that become a tough gig.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:31 pm



Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):

Notre Dame did not exactly have a "weak" schedule though.

I understand, but they couldn't beat the teams they were supposed to, and their defense sucked late in games.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:33 pm



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 14):

Notre Dame did not exactly have a "weak" schedule though.

I understand, but they couldn't beat the teams they were supposed to, and their defense sucked late in games.

To add, it doesn't really matter. Notre Dame is supposed to win tough games. And you can't have such a glaring problem as Notre Dame's defense has been under Weis without it getting exploited.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:30 am



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
Well here is a better reason why he won't go.

He's accomplished all goals he set for himself - championship, coach a Heisman winner, repeat at some point.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
he would have to rebuild

Coach's want a challenge still, not just a paycheck and their face in the news. Although, ND throwing Urban $6-7 mil/yr wouldn't hurt chances.

Don't rule out John Gruden either, imho.

Other Breaking News - Bowden to retire from FSU.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4701625
 
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:38 am

Good Riddance. This guy has been a disaster, although some blame must lie elsewhere.

I hope the next coach is hired at a rate not more than a top Professor at the school. Notre Dame is an educational institution that is a part of the Roman Catholic Church. I would rather they spend millions more on making the tuition more resonable rather than trying to be a football power. As to attracting players, why be in ND in Indiana when one could be in Florida, Cali or other warmer southern place with better and looser women, no issues of having sex in your dorm and minimial NCAA student-athlete qualifications.
 
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:52 am

Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops aren't going anywhere...also whats going on down in Tallahassee? Bobby Bowden has done great things and If I remember correctly he has only 1 losing record in 34 seasons....Some Weis replacements I wanna throw out.. Tony Dungy, Brian Kelly, Brian Billick..... but what has plagued Notre Dame is poor defense...Weis will be a solid coordinator when he returns to the NFL.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:56 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 5):
As a UConn fan I was happy when we beat ND a few weeks ago, but Irish fans need to realize that the day of glamor is over for them. They decided not to join a conference and in these days where the BCS only cares about the strength of schedule, ND doesn't have it anymore. Just because they play on NBC every saturday, doesn't mean their a top tier program. And if you disagree, consider this 1-6 against the BIG EAST in football since Weis started including losses to UConn and Syracuse.

Right on. I basically said the same thing in Falcon84's thread about Bowden's retirement and Weis' firing. UND should really join the Big Ten. I'd hate to lose them in basketball, but for anything else, they'd be a better fit in the Big Ten.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
3. Established Great Program at Florida

Florida was already a great program. Spurrier should get full credit for that, despite the arrogance he showed while he was there.
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:30 am



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 23):
Florida was already a great program. Spurrier should get full credit for that, despite the arrogance he showed while he was there.

Wasn't saying Urban established it, just saying that it was established. Trust me I was in attendance for the last Undefeated regular season and subsequent season NC.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 20):
Coach's want a challenge still, not just a paycheck and their face in the news. Although, ND throwing Urban $6-7 mil/yr wouldn't hurt chances.

Yeah, but you forget that Urban had first shot at ND 5 years ago and turned it down then.
What has changed since then to make Urban want to go back to ND?



My current best guess is Kelly from Cincinatti, or maybe Charlie Strong (FL defensive Coordinator---Something the Irish really need)
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RE: Notre Dame Finally Fires Weis.

Tue Dec 01, 2009 4:41 am

Quoting FXramper (Reply 20):
Other Breaking News - Bowden to retire from FSU.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/s...01625

I guess Paterno's win record is safe for the foreseeable future.

It would have been nice to see a more eventful end to this somewhat trivial contest between coaches and a nicer career end for Bowden.

As a PSU alum, I would have expected Bowden to take this record. Not that I'm against Paterno, for all he's done to benefit PSU, getting all the recognition he can.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
I hope the next coach is hired at a rate not more than a top Professor at the school. Notre Dame is an educational institution that is a part of the Roman Catholic Church. I would rather they spend millions more on making the tuition more resonable rather than trying to be a football power. As to attracting players, why be in ND in Indiana when one could be in Florida, Cali or other warmer southern place with better and looser women, no issues of having sex in your dorm and minimial NCAA student-athlete qualifications.

To be fair, a quality football program (which generally requires an excellent coach), it worth something to a university on the national stage. How much this is worth is left to the school. I do agree with the aim of some of your comments but I'm not sure that reducing the head coach salary to a (relative) volunteer work would bring a net benefit to the school.

I could pretty easily see a situation where a few million USD per year spent on a coach is justified when considering alumni enthusiasm (and associated donations), merchandise, national broadcast attention, etc. If the rumors of alumni willing to buy out Weis' contract at $15mil+ are true, this gives you some idea of the importance of the football program to alumni, not to mention the money behind this enthusiasm.

Ultimately, much of what you and I assert above is difficult to quantify given our imperfect information. However, I'd assume that ND is capable of balancing their books and have weighed the costs and benefits.

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Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:16 am

Tony Dungy seems very intriguing.....
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