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Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:58 am

....to "Kerepakupai-Meru".

"How could we accept this idea that the falls were discovered by a guy who came from the United States in a plane?" he said.

What a f***** moron! Really? How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?! Wow..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...go-Chavez-renames-Angel-Falls.html
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:00 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?!

Because he bought himself the votes of the poor by buying them with hot soups during election day. Simple as that.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:34 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
...to "Kerepakupai-Meru".

Well, I was honestly expecting worse, like something political along the lines of Cascadas Simon Bolivar, or worse, Chavez Falls  yuck 

If anything, they'll probably always be known as Angel Falls worldwide, whatever he decides to change the name to. The article itself mentions several name changes but nobody out of Venezuela really heard anything of them or cared.
 
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:02 am

He's such a jackass. When is someone going to get rid of him?
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:28 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2):
Well, I was honestly expecting worse, like something political along the lines of Cascadas Simon Bolivar, or worse, Chavez Falls

If anything, they'll probably always be known as Angel Falls worldwide, whatever he decides to change the name to. The article itself mentions several name changes but nobody out of Venezuela really heard anything of them or cared

I was thinking the same thing when I first read the headline that he was re-naming the falls. I was expecting something political in nature. Going back to the indigenous name isn't such an awful thing but I agree it probably won't catch on worldwide. Although it seems to be working somewhat with Mt. McKinley going back to it's native name of Denali. I'd love for Mt. Rainier to go back to being called Tahoma but that ain't gonna happen.

Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?!

Amazing, isn't it? He's a complete nutjob.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:38 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2):
or worse, Chavez Falls yuck

Well, this one wouldn't be so bad after all! Chavez FALLS! (fantasies!!!)

Anyhow, what a jackass... changing Venezuela's patrimony... he has no business here, all he wants is to destroy the little bit of country we have left.
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:56 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2):
Well, I was honestly expecting worse, like something political along the lines of Cascadas Simon Bolivar, or worse, Chavez Falls  yuck 

I was expecting Cascadas Fidel Castro!  yuck 

But does anyone care what that nutjob calls the falls?
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:08 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
"How could we accept this idea that the falls were discovered by a guy who came from the United States in a plane?" he said.

I know this is not politically correct, but do I care? Not really. How come South America is so good at creating these 10 cent Dictators? Is it the water or what?
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:14 am



Quoting 797 (Reply 5):
Chavez FALLS

HA! I didn't even think of it that way when I typed it good catch Big grin
 
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:19 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?! Wow..

He is a dictator.
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:37 am



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 9):
He is a dictator.

No no no he was "chosen by the people"  Yeah sure
 
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Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:43 am



Quoting 797 (Reply 5):
Well, this one wouldn't be so bad after all! Chavez FALLS! (fantasies!!!)

Yeah, it could serve as a hint to the rest of the civilized world. It's time to take out Venezuela's garbage...

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 9):
He is a dictator.

I waiting for him to do something really stupid before someone has the guts to say, "ok, I've we've had enough!"
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:44 am



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2):
Well, I was honestly expecting worse, like something political along the lines of Cascadas Simon Bolivar, or worse, Chavez Falls

Yeah, me too.

But hell, I'd rather him be doing this sort of crap than nationalizing stuff.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:56 am

Why are you guys so upset about this? I fail to see what the big deal is...?
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:57 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
....to "Kerepakupai-Meru".

"How could we accept this idea that the falls were discovered by a guy who came from the United States in a plane?" he said.

What a f***** moron! Really? How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?! Wow..

He is an idiot, there is no doubt about that. But Kerepakupai-Meru is the falls name, as given by the indigenous people, so technically he is just stating which name he wants used.

But the guy is a complete nutcase, I wouldn't expect better from him.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:17 pm

Are we going to have a "Keating was a nut case" thread because the locals wanted to call it Uluru. Thought not. What is good enough for the Pitjantjatjara ......
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:32 pm

It's no big deal, he's doing exactly what is happening all over this country right now.

It's probably the least controversial thing he has done in a long time.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 2:59 pm

While Chavez is a nutcase, I fail to see what the big deal here is. Going back to original name is bad? Just because others outside of the region did not know it before Angel "discovered" it does not mean it did not exists. I fail to see why everybody is tied up in knots over this.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:00 pm



Quoting MD-90 (Reply 13):
Why are you guys so upset about this? I fail to see what the big deal is...?

Even further I am not sure why every thing this guy does is such big news in here. Hell there are lots of dictators and most do not rate a new thread every time they speak.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:19 pm



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 2):
or worse, Chavez Falls

Yeah, I was thinking something along the lines of Monte Trujillo, Ciudad Trujillo and such. Old Dominican Republic dictatorship style.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:42 pm



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):

Even further I am not sure why every thing this guy does is such big news in here. Hell there are lots of dictators and most do not rate a new thread every time they speak.

Exactly, he wants to use the Falls original name, well so be it. That doesn't change the price of sugar. The thing is, this nutcase gets exactly what he wants, attention.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:11 pm

If renaming a famous landmark to it's original name is a bad thing, then I'll actually support him in it for this one occasion - nothing wrong with using the name given by the first people to originally discover it....however in all other respects I do agree, he is a nutcase...
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:13 pm



Quoting Greasespot (Reply 18):

Even further I am not sure why every thing this guy does is such big news in here. Hell there are lots of dictators and most do not rate a new thread every time they speak.

I speculate that it's because he publicly dares to defy the US government and Americans don't take kindly to someone insulting their patriotic belief in an omnipotent national government.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:40 pm



Quoting AM744 (Reply 19):
Yeah, I was thinking something along the lines of Monte Trujillo, Ciudad Trujillo and such. Old Dominican Republic dictatorship style.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:50 pm



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
What a f***** moron! Really? How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?!

Being head of state does not mean you can't be a moron. A quick survey of world leaders should tell you that.

I don't see the big deal with this particular move as it's reverting to an indigenous name.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:44 am



Quoting Springbok747 (Thread starter):
What a f***** moron! Really? How the hell is he still the president of a whole country?! Wow..

Funny, my thoughts exactly when Bush was re-elected  eyepopping 
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:37 am

I have to agree with the others who don't understand the big deal here. This has been going on in the entire world for a while. What's wrong with renaming your local landmarks to the original, local, names? It happened in India (Bombay, etc), Australia (Uluru, etc) and so on. Really no big deal at all. In fact, I agree with this one. Because it's hard to pronounce doesn't make it wrong.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:06 pm

Having been to Angel Falls, and admired them in their entirety I see nothing wrong with what he is suggesting, as others have said that's what the Pemon tribe call it, and

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President Chavez acknowledged that Angel "was the first one to see it from a plane", but insisted it should have an indigenous name.

"That is ours, and was a long time before Angel ever got there... how many millions of indigenous eyes saw it, and prayed to it?" he added.

In this case he is right.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:56 pm

Speaking of Chávez: http://2010.newsweek.com/top-10/worl...ons/chavez-faces-another-coup.html

Newsweek's 2010 predictions say that Chávez will be deposed in a miliary coup d'état.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:46 am



Quoting Kappel (Reply 26):



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 27):

Hmm... you know, I have to agree with that logic. It was called something else for centuries before someone came along and was the first person to see it from a plane, after whom it was later named...

Who were the first Europeans to see Niagara Falls? I think I'd have a problem if someone wanted to re-name that after the first civilized person to discover it...

Wow... after that, I actually agree with this nutcase (Chavez)...!
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:04 am



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28):
Newsweek's 2010 predictions say that Chávez will be deposed in a miliary coup d'état.

Well, If only Newsweek could be right for once...  Wink

I agree that renaming some national landmark isn't the worst he has done so far. It falls in the same category as other changes he has done to the country over the years, like changing the flag, the name, adding the word 'Bolivariano/a' to every national insitution etc.

It's not exactly important game changing stuff, but it's all the little things he uses to assert his tight grip over the country and, more importantly, bring the public spotlight away from all the misery he is causing on the side.

Here is the really significant Chavez bit of news this week:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8427802.stm

This underlines the utter chaos the local energy infrastructure is in. One fails to comprehend the amount of government ineptitude required to bring an oil rich country to that level of energy starvation.
And of course, to make things worse, he is penalizing businesses and industries to conserve energy, which is about the worst thing you can do.

And then there's the crumbling infrastucture, social conditions, etc...

I'm afraid Venezuela is well on its way down the whirlpool Chavez has steered it into.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:52 pm



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 28):
Newsweek's 2010 predictions say that Chávez will be deposed in a miliary coup d'état.

This has already been tried recently (2007/2008, not sure about the year) and failed. Like it or not, he has too much popular support from the lower classes (by far the largest) for this to succeed IMHO.

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 30):
One fails to comprehend the amount of government ineptitude required to bring an oil rich country to that level of energy starvation.

Indeed and unfortunately Venezuela is not the only country with this problem. The oil money is going to all the wrong places/pockets.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Wants To Rename Angel Falls...

Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:13 pm



Quoting Kappel (Reply 31):

This has already been tried recently (2007/2008, not sure about the year) and failed. Like it or not, he has too much popular support from the lower classes (by far the largest) for this to succeed IMHO.


I believe the Coup attempt was in 2003.
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