varigb707
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Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:21 pm

Two middle eastern men arrested on suspicious action during flight....
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34603961/ns/business/
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Elite
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:27 pm

"The totality of those three occurrences led this passenger to believe this was suspicious," he said.

- Talking loudly in a foreign language: rude, yes, but I don't think it should be suspicious.

- Suicide bombing from "The Kingdom": Possibly a coincidence, but why would this lead to suspicion? What would happen if they were watching something like, say, "United 93"?

- Getting up while the seat belt sign was still lit: Seriously? Half the plane would be guilty of this - and occasionally, myself included.

I wasn't on that flight, and I am happy that passengers are being proactive about other "suspicious passengers", but based on the information given in this article there is just not enough to warrant an arrest.
 
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:35 pm



Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
I wasn't on that flight, and I am happy that passengers are being proactive about other "suspicious passengers", but based on the information given in this article there is just not enough to warrant an arrest.

If a pax is disruptive on a airline it is a federal offense and arrest can happen and is warrented.
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varigb707
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:59 pm



Quoting ATTart (Reply 2):
If a pax is disruptive on a airline

There was no mention on that article about those guys being disruptive. They happen to be middle eastern men. They talk loud, normally. I work with an Iraqi and a Morrocan. When these guys talk to each other, it's like they've met after a long time. Sounds loud, yes, but they're just talking. I call this latest incident a pure case of profiling.
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:02 pm

Lest we get all spooled up about the hysteria about anti-muslim backlash, let’s clarify.

There was a spike after 9/11, then nothing. Crimes against every other race and religion eclipse those against Muslims and have for several years.

Every time something happens, the fraudulent CAIR comes out and calls for tolerance, all whilst never denouncing the actual act itself (whether Ft Hood or now this terrorist event), nor looking at facts.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...violence_against_muslims_down.html

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/01hate.pdf

Besides, I think if anything, MORE care should be given to profiling. More attacks may be planned. No surprise what the demographic is, either.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2785733.ece
 
Elite
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:14 pm



Quoting ATTart (Reply 2):
If a pax is disruptive on a airline it is a federal offense and arrest can happen and is warrented.

Talking loudly does not equal being disruptive. It is never mentioned that they were disruptive nor that they refused to cooperate. In fact, the quote that I started out my post with seemed to suggest that these three events alone warranted enough for their arrest.

Racial profiling - should it happen? Not the issue here. This is not about being middle eastern or Caucasian, it's just what seems like an unfounded accusation. Being alert doesn't mean being overly paranoid.
 
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:16 pm



Quoting Varigb707 (Reply 3):

There was no mention on that article about those guys being disruptive. They happen to be middle eastern men. They talk loud, normally. I work with an Iraqi and a Morrocan. When these guys talk to each other, it's like they've met after a long time. Sounds loud, yes, but they're just talking. I call this latest incident a pure case of profiling.

Sorry, you are right . When I first clicked on it, I was taken the incident that happen yesterday in DTW. Now, that I was able to read the incident you are talking about. You are right. Oh how I know how some cultures can talk between each other. There have been flights I have worked to TPE or even HKG that have been very loud. Well, you can also say the about New Yorkers.  chat   cheeky 
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:19 pm



Quoting ATTart (Reply 6):
There have been flights I have worked to TPE or even HKG that have been very loud. Well, you can also say the about New Yorkers.

Try domestic flights in China or... a couple of very pissed off New York bankers on a business trip. I've experienced both - not pleasant.
 
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:27 pm



Quoting Elite (Reply 7):

Try domestic flights in China or... a couple of very pissed off New York bankers on a business trip. I've experienced both - not pleasant.

LOL, oh I have... I just sit, watch, try to keep and smile. I have also come to accept that 9 times out of 10 when someone is yelling at me. It is not me personally the are yelling at, it is my uniform or my wings and the airline the represent. In the beginning when I started flying internationally some 20 years ago. At first I was taken back by how different cultures talk to each other and talked to me. I realized they were not angry, it was just how they spoke.
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RE: Here We Go Again...

Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:24 pm

I'm wondering if cabin/flight crew is going to (or perhaps) already does receive some training on how to assess passengers suspicions?

Just by reading this article (meaning not by being on the flight itself), there is no way that this should have even gotten farther than perhaps notifying the captain. But I guess after the incident in DTW the other day, everyone wants to be a hero and save the day.

So, who would end up footing the bill for this? And cover any legal costs if there were a successful lawsuit?
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