krisyyz
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A New Decade, A New Kind Of Politics.

Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:08 pm

It seems that no one is really happy with the political situation in the USA or in Canada. It is obvious that what happens in the US greatly affects Canada not only because of our proximity but also because of our shared culture and economic relationship.


I’ve come to a personal conclusion that our political system is a farce, both in Canada and the US. This two party system greatly diminishes the quality of public service in both countries. I know that in Canada we have 4 parties in the House of Commons, but lets face it, the Conservatives and the Liberals are the two major parties much like the GOP and the Democrats in the states.

No one seems to be happy. Be it Conservative or Liberal, Democrat or Republican, Conservative or Socialists and Libertarians have also been under assault in the passed decade.

Moderates and Centralists seem to be absent from the political spectrum, not only in N. America but in Europe as well. In my opinion, even politicians who claim to be centralists are so attached to one of the major parties that their actions contradict their ideologies.

I’ve long considered Obama to be a Centralist. But that opinion is fading solely because of his ever-increasing movement towards the Bush administrations ways of enacting policies.

What I would like to see is more critical thinking by our leaders and by ordinary people. We must examine each issue based on facts, rational and its impact on society. I think we need to give the centre a bigger voice while squashing extremism and exposing the major political powers for who they truly are. There are a lot of great people in politics who have a genuine concern for the welfare of others but they seem to be in the minority.

I personally have had a lot of wavering support for political parties. I was a hardcore Liberal but I have lost all faith in the Liberal Party of Canada. Some say that they are a Reagan conservative, well I am a Chretien Liberal. While I seem to favour more socially orientated policies, I don’t consider my self a socialist or a “lefty” because I still support the free market and fair capitalism. I think one of the biggest obstacles is to go beyond this Right or Left philosophy and look at each issue independently and without prejudice that is based on some unwavering political stance.

Obviously I am speaking out of my personal feelings and observations. I don’t for a second think that I am exposed to all the facts and realities of politics. We have faced much bigger problems in the past and our system is much more stable and just than the political situation in other parts of the world. But I hope that this new decade will see certain compromise between old and tired political ideologies and the will of the people.

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MattRB
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RE: A New Decade, A New Kind Of Politics.

Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:26 pm

We lack leadership here in Canada. All we have are politicians that chase whatever votes they need to keep them in their cushy little jobs. They flap like flags in the wind, going whatever direction they think will help them keep their seat.

We need change. Change to the system (elected Senate, right of recall). Change to the people running the system (more youth involvement, less old white men). Get rid of the GG & Queen as head of state.

I'm apathetic about Canadian politics because of the dearth of leadership. Not one party is deserving of my vote.
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RE: A New Decade, A New Kind Of Politics.

Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:33 pm



Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
Moderates and Centralists seem to be absent from the political spectrum, not only in N. America but in Europe as well

It's very hard to be a centrist as I consider myself to be. However, I do lean more liberally and tend to disagree more with a lot of what happens in the right wing, but I have an open mind to everything. I am a progressive though. Being a centrist is difficult because in the U.S., it's either one or the other. The country is split right down the middle and somewhere, you hear some weak voices in the middle of all this, it's the moderates who are almost never heard. It's almost not worth it.
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RE: A New Decade, A New Kind Of Politics.

Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:33 pm



Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
This two party system greatly diminishes the quality of public service in both countries.

They are very good at keeping us focused fighting each other so none of us notice that they are robbing us blind and stealing our freedoms and liberties.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
But that opinion is fading solely because of his ever-increasing movement towards the Bush administrations ways of enacting policies.

Do you mean the my way or the highway attitude that Bush was severly criticized for but for Obama it is okay.

Quoting MattRB (Reply 1):
We lack leadership here in Canada.



Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
What I would like to see is more critical thinking by our leaders and by ordinary people.

One of the big problems is we do not have ordinary people running our countries. We have lifetime politicians who lack any leadership or vision
 
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RE: A New Decade, A New Kind Of Politics.

Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:56 pm



Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
I know that in Canada we have 4 parties in the House of Commons, but lets face it, the Conservatives and the Liberals are the two major parties much like the GOP and the Democrats in the states.

Well, if the Alliance and the PCs hadn't merged, you would have 5 parties and all kinds of coalition building. Personally, I'd like the Liberals and the NDP to find a nice middle ground and attack that moron Harper together.

I think there is a reason the two best Canadian PMs in recent history have been non-separatist Quebecois Liberals.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 3):

Do you mean the my way or the highway attitude that Bush was severly criticized for but for Obama it is okay.

1) Obama's positions are generally the right ones.

2) Obama has gone for a middle road bipartisan approach almost to a fault. One only needs to look at the awful health care bills to realize that.

Quoting Windy95 (Reply 3):

One of the big problems is we do not have ordinary people running our countries.

"Ordinary" people can't run countries.
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