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F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:35 pm

Since the Off season thread has reached more than 400 posts, it's time to open a new one.

Let's continue our discussions here  Smile
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:22 pm

GrahamHill wrote in the previous thread: -

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 400):
Just one year, in 1994. And then he did his "special" to secure the title.

The Benetton B194 had a Ford-Zetec V8 engine which wasn't as powerful, nor had the same pedigree, as the Renault V10 in the Williams FW16, but what gave the B194 the upper hand was the fact that the FW16 was not an easy car to set up and Senna was complaining a bit before his fatal crash, and by the time Williams introduced the FW16B (incorporating regulation changes and improvements), Schumacher was too far ahead, and if it wasn't for his two race ban, Schumi may well have won that title at Jerez or Suzuka.

The B194 was an easier car to drive than the FW16, but I always felt that the fact it had a V8 engine instead of the V10 meant the FW16, had it not been for the first version being a lemon, would have had the edge.

The B195 and the FW17 was more equal as both cars had the same Renault V10 engine, but it had been suggested that the B195 wasn't as good to drive as the FW17. Not that it mattered though as Schumacher won the title fair and square that season.

So if you ask me, both Benetton's were not the best cars on the grid, and in these two instances it was clearly Schumacher's skill that steered him to success.

I also think that the F2003-GA wasn't exactly brilliant due to the car's tendency to eat tyres, and Schumacher only won the title by 2 points that year.

The best car Schumacher had to win the title was the Ferrari F2002. Both Schumacher and Barrichello wiped the floor with the opposition that year. That said, my personal favourite is the F2001.

[Edited 2010-01-08 07:27:41]
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:51 pm

Part one of this thread can be found here: F1 Off Season 2009/2010


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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:39 pm

I discovered this very nice video of Kamui Kobayashi. You get to meet the new F1 recruit. He is talking about his coming to F1 GP driving all in very good English. You even get a cooking lesson with KK making his own Japanese Tapas recipe 3* chef style. All in all a very nice and fun video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0CH6mc2d2Y

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:14 pm

Attention Waterpolodan!

question regarding Montreal GP.

Are the ticket prices really this high?...are they USUALLY this high?
http://travel.wwte1.com/pub/agent.dl...d=28&rfrr=Canada&eapid=16431-30001

$457 USD for Silver 12?
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:03 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 4):
$457 USD for Silver 12?

I paid about $450 SGD for stand tickets at Singapore and about $400 AUD for stand tickets at Melbourne a few years back, and they were both at the cheaper end. So yeah, $475USD is probably about right.
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:50 am

Thiis is the ticket price list for the Monaco GP 2010 on the official Monaco Automobile Club page. Beware of other sellers with inflated prices.

Most hotels are already fully booked as of this time.

http://www.formula1monaco.com/tarif.aspx

Aside from the rock the seats list at their usual high prices on race day the same as last year.
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:05 am



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 4):
$457 USD for Silver 12?



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):

I paid about $450 SGD for stand tickets at Singapore and about $400 AUD for stand tickets at Melbourne a few years back, and they were both at the cheaper end. So yeah, $475USD is probably about right.



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Beware of other sellers with inflated prices.

This is seriously ridiculous. And you wonder why sometimes organizers struggle to break even
 Yeah sure

I prefer to go to Le Mans, where you buy your ticket €50 for the whole week: the two qualifying sessions on Wednesday and Tuesday, the pit walk on Friday and the race on Saturday and Sunday.

I honestly don't know when I am going to see a F1 race again. This is way too expensive.
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:16 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
This is way too expensive.

It is also quite frequent that those with invitations are selling them through some famous auction sites on the internet. Not only for the Monaco GP but for all of them during the whole season, every year.

You think they are selling you tickets and you end up buying invitations at same cost as the current grand stand prices so it is 100% profit for the sellers.

These are generally sold when the grandstands are sold out so they do quite well on their sales. There are always last minute buyers with the ££$$.

Reselling business is big, same with all sports or even concert tickets.

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:20 am

Kova thinks he's a better driver now, all of a sudden.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80777

He forgot to mention his poor season at Renault, which was no better then when he drove for Mclaren.
Why would a team hire him? It sure can't be because of his shining CV. He was sheap is my guess, as he knew that no teams were looking at him as the first option. So he played it by coming with a low salary.
Anyone knows if he has any major sponsor connected to him?

Gascoyne says:

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Lotus chief technical officer Mike Gascoyne says the decision to sign Jarno Trulli and Heikki Kovalainen for the team's debut season rather hiring well-funded rookies proves that team boss Tony Fernandes is serious about succeeding in Formula 1.

I have issues with understanding how they will succeed with these 2 drivers.

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:32 am



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):

The practice of scalping, or ticket resale, is usually illegal.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 9):
I have issues with understanding how they will succeed with these 2 drivers.

They've got a bit more experience than a driver with an over inflated bank balance propped up by daddys company. Lotus might not achieve success in a big way with them, but they sure will help with the development of the car. The same could be said for Toyota who went down the path of Alan McNish and Mika Salo and look how that turned out.
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:11 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):

They've got a bit more experience than a driver with an over inflated bank balance propped up by daddys company. Lotus might not achieve success in a big way with them, but they sure will help with the development of the car.

Exactly  checkmark   checkmark 

I don't think they are looking for victory this year. They are more trying to take their marks and develop their structure. They need drivers who know well how a Formula 1 works, so they can fine tune their development. A rookie might be quick, but he won't be able to give as much information about the car as these two. And having drivers who drove for teams like Renault and McLaren can be very useful.
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:17 pm

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 1):

The best car Schumacher had to win the title was the Ferrari F2002. Both Schumacher and Barrichello wiped the floor with the opposition that year. That said, my personal favourite is the F2001.

It's a tough call of which car was the most dominant- the F2002 or the F2004, both basically blew every other car out of the water. I'd even say that these 2 cars were the best cars of all time, considering the competition. The 1988 Mclaren obviously had a better record, winning every race minus the '88 Monza event when Senna screwed up and handed the win to Ferrari, but at that point Mclaren were really head and shoulders above the rest of the grid in terms of professionalism and money invested by Honda/Marlboro. They also had access to an engine that was lightyears better than any other turbo powerplant (the Ferrari V6 was close in power, but the Honda was more reliable and better on fuel economy which allowed the engine to run closer to the maximum allowed boost during a full race distance), and many good teams like Williams were using '88 as a throwaway year to test normally aspirated powerplants in peperation for 1989.
In 2002 and 2004, Ferrari certainly spent tons of money, but they were competing against teams/manufacturers like Renault, Mclaren-Mercedes, Toyota, and Williams-BMW who were also spending stratospheric amounts and running to the same basic rules that had been in effect for years. In view of the level of competition, I think that makes the 2002 and 2004 cars stand out even among cars like the '88 Mclaren and 1952 Ferrari, which won every race but one in 2 seasons against a very weak field run to Formula 2 rules.
As for my personal favorite from the schumacher/brawn dominance era- the F1 2000 was always my pick for an elegant and attractive design (within the limits of the rules, of course... the 1990/91 cars were much prettier).
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Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 4):
Attention Waterpolodan!

question regarding Montreal GP.

Are the ticket prices really this high?...are they USUALLY this high?

They've inflated a bit, but they're still in the range of what I've been paying for years, sadly  

[Edited 2010-01-10 15:18:50 by waterpolodan]
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:38 pm



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 12):
They've inflated a bit, but they're still in the range of what I've been paying for years, sadly

Thanks's for the Info, I'll have to see what I want to do.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 9):
Kova thinks he's a better driver now, all of a sudden.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80777
He forgot to mention his poor season at Renault, which was no better then when he drove for Mclaren.
Why would a team hire him? It sure can't be because of his shining CV. He was sheap is my guess, as he knew that no teams were looking at him as the first option. So he played it by coming with a low salary.
Anyone knows if he has any major sponsor connected to him?

Credit where Credit's due...He's been in F1 for 3 years now and yes he's not very good...but I do think he's a better driver coming out of McLaren. He's about as good if not better then Timo Glock I'd say, and they both started at the same time....Timo says he's the greatest driver in the world, at least Heikki's being realistic.

I don't think they're aiming to be the best in the world....(at the moment)...but Tony Fernandes (Air Asia CEO) and S. Richard Branson are at each other's throats competing to be 'the best of the new teams'

when it comes down to it...you have Timo Glock/Lucas Di Grassi (Virgin Racing)....Vs...Trulli/Kovalainen (Lotus)...I think there's a clear winner. Lotus 1 - 0 Virgin

In Other news....

Madame C. may become the happiest F1 follower in the world:

Rumour mill suggests the following:

Lewis Hamilton broke up with his (attractive) girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger
Takuma Sato is in the running for the second Renault Seat....(didn't see this one coming)
PDLR is very likely to to take the second Sauber Seat, alongside Kamui Kobayashi....(Still leaving Nick Heidfeld without a drive.)


P.S. Anyone noticing all the Airlines?
Ferrari - Etihad
Force India - Kingfisher
Lotus / Williams - Air Asia
Virgin Racing - Virgin...

Am I missing any?
Will be interesting to see what happens with Air Asia and Williams sponsorship...and what will happen to the Nico Rosberg plane.
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Mon Jan 11, 2010 5:44 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 13):
Will be interesting to see what happens with Air Asia and Williams sponsorship

I thought that they had already lost Air Asia for 2010? Is it not sure yet?
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:13 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
I thought that they had already lost Air Asia for 2010? Is it not sure yet?

I would assume so...I flew Air Asia (and Thai Air Asia) last month and they were still selling Nico Rosberg / Williams F1 gear.

I wonder what Lotus' Livery will be. One one had I could see the car looking like an Air Asia plane (similar to Super Aguri) or Malaysia colours but on the other hand..It's Lotus and their logo is Green and Yellow.
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Mon Jan 11, 2010 6:17 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 13):
Madame C. may become the happiest F1 follower in the world:

Rumour mill suggests the following:

Lewis Hamilton broke up with his (attractive) girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger
Takuma Sato is in the running for the second Renault Seat....(didn't see this one coming)
PDLR is very likely to to take the second Sauber Seat, alongside Kamui Kobayashi....(Still leaving Nick Heidfeld without a drive.)

I have heard this Nicole Scherzinger break-up with Hammy several times already the last time being the Singapore GP and they got back together. Let's see what will happen this time. We will find out soon when the season starts we will see if she hangs out around the racing tracks or not.

I would be really happy to see Taku racing again. This would truly be a gift for the next season! Maybe Santa Claus is coming to me late.

Kamui is a treat. Taku and Kamui would be a double treat and a good excuse for me to go to GPs other than Monaco in 2010.  yes 

I hope Pedro de la Rosa will be given a seat. He is really worthy of it and he is so... wow good looking... but i digress...

No Kimi + One Kamui + One Hammy = makes me very happy!
One Taku back on the racing tracks in 2010 = fantastic news!

Now something even more fantastic would be an annoucement that the Aguris are back but i may have to wait another year for that.

How am I going to manage this now?
Better have 3 drivers to cheer than none!  laughing 

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:27 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 15):
I would assume so...I flew Air Asia (and Thai Air Asia) last month and they were still selling Nico Rosberg / Williams F1 gear.

Ah ok. I must have misread something, then  Silly
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:47 pm

Schumacher kicks off Jerez testing today....
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80812

Quoting the article....

Quote:

During the test, the Mercedes GP driver will focus on evaluating a number of suspension configurations in order to define new set-up solutions for the race weekends this year.

The test will also be used to evaluate updated components, including a new clutch, to be introduced later this year.

Can someone please explain to me, why the FIA would allow Mercedes (and Schumacher) to test their components before February 1?
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:36 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
Can someone please explain to me

He wasn't testing Mercedes F1 components, he was doing component development work for the GP2 series.


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Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:50 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 19):
Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
Can someone please explain to me

He wasn't testing Mercedes F1 components, he was doing component development work for the GP2 series.

Correct,

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/1/10331.html

Quote:
As well as adjusting to life back in the cockpit, the 41 year-old will also evaluate several set-up solutions for the GP2 Series, who are using the test to help with development of their next-generation car.

FIA to appeal decision in regards to Briatore (which we more or less knew already would happen),
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2010/1/10328.html

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:37 pm

Sorry if this has been mentionned already, but do we have a calendar of the official presentations? Last year, Ferrari presented the F60 around the 11/12 of January.

Who will be the first to show the 2010 car?
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:23 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 21):
Sorry if this has been mentionned already, but do we have a calendar of the official presentations? Last year, Ferrari presented the F60 around the 11/12 of January.

Who will be the first to show the 2010 car?

As far as I know the joint launch in Valencia end of this month will not happen, and no other official calendar has been released.

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:36 am

I think most teams are launching in February. I'd expect to see a lot of the new cars early on with the testing restrictions.

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 13):
P.S. Anyone noticing all the Airlines?

Shame Renault don't have the Korean Air any more and McLaren with Emirates. I'm actually surprised EK didn't try harder to get their name on an F1 car after the McLaren deal ended.
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:10 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 22):
As far as I know the joint launch in Valencia end of this month will not happen, and no other official calendar has been released.



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 23):
I think most teams are launching in February. I'd expect to see a lot of the new cars early on with the testing restrictions.

Ok, thanks! I just read today that Mercedes will show its car on January, 25.

http://en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/6145.html


And Ferrari on the 28th.

http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/6580.html

Most likely the others will follow in February.
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:28 pm

Alonso can defeat Schumi,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80836

Quote:
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali is confident that new signing Fernando Alonso can defeat the squad's former talisman Michael Schumacher - provided Ferrari delivers a car good enough to beat Mercedes.

Interesting comment as I was under the impression that Massa was Ferrari's little baby since Schumi left.
But I guess losing out to Kimi in his first season with Ferrari in 2007, and losing out again in 2008 have put Massa in another position within the team!? So does anyone else also thinks that Alonso was brought on board to bring back the no. 1 on their car? To be honest, I can't see Massa being able to achieve this. Although close in 2008: Second is first to lose.

I might be all wrong, but this is just how I see it from where I'm sitting.

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:08 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 25):
So does anyone else also thinks that Alonso was brought on board to bring back the no. 1 on their car?

Of course!  Cool

He has much more skills and balls than Massa.
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:37 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 25):
To be honest, I can't see Massa being able to achieve this. Although close in 2008: Second is first to lose.

I have to admit that I have mad respect for Massa, he might be a little whiney (the thought: I NEED THE WHITE VISOR!!..I CAN NOT SEE!!...FELIPE BABY..STAY COOL...WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION..comes to mind) But all things considering...He would be a much more deserving champion then Button in my opinion. After watching him keep his head held up high on the top step of the podium losing to Hamilton by mere seconds...and then his recovery from a life threatening accident...Its pretty spectacular...

and I think he would make a good champion if Alonso wasn't going to destroy him in every race. Sad...Although I would expect Massa (like he did with Kimi)....to fight for consistantly high places in every race. Alonso was obviously brought on to put the #1 on the car, and you would expect nothing less from the top teams, but Massa is being overshadowed again, and every mistake he makes will go in front of Luca, as a reason to replace him, but I wouldn't be too surprised to see him give Alonso (and other top runners) a run for their money.

As far as when cars are to be released, it looks like a number of teams will be joining the second tests, which means there won't be a massive roll out party, but likely an informal picture session at Jerez.
 
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:11 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
He has much more skills and balls than Massa.

Indeed. Massa was nothing but a backrow driver before he got to Ferrari, while Alonso has become two times world champion with a team, that isn't exactly known to be a top team with Renault (just like Michael Schumacher with Benetton back in the day). The car was what made Massa what he is, not his skills, and with Alonso, his rise was similar to the one Michael Schumacher had a decade before the Spaniard won his first title.
 
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Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:54 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 27):
After watching him keep his head held up high on the top step of the podium losing to Hamilton by mere seconds...and then his recovery from a life threatening accident...Its pretty spectacular...

He deserves all respect for this. And I don't think anyone on here thinks otherwise, but as a driver that has been said to have a great future in F1, he will never make it.
And as Alonso now come on board, Massa will again have a steep hill to climb. No doubt he will make life hard for other front-runners, but to me it ends there.
First of all Ferrari will have to put a good car on the grid so Alonso and Massa will have any chance at all to be able to compete for the front rows.
If they don't lots of faces will probably be as red as their cars as they have been busy developing this cars since June last year.

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Thu Jan 14, 2010 11:32 am

I sure hope Ferrari put Alonso in his place before signing the contract. What place that is, I don't know. But im sure another McLarenesque dummy spit won't do his employment prospects with front running teams in the future any good.
 
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:40 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 29):
but as a driver that has been said to have a great future in F1, he will never make it.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Granted he is not -and never will be- the next Fangio, Senna or any other legend, but he is consistant, and has been improving over the years, adding a lot of experience. And if he gets a good car i would actually expect him to be fighting for the championship. Let's not forget he is not World Champion because of a few final seconds of the final race.
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:58 pm



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 31):
Let's not forget he is not World Champion because of a few final seconds of the final race.

It could be said that but for stupid mistakes earlier in the season Hamilton's lucky break on that last corner would have been irrelevent.
It could equally be said that if he had received penalties on par with others earlier in the season Hamilton would not have needed his lucky last minute reprieve.
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Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:40 pm

Ok guys, I think I just found THE most stupid idea of Uncle Bernie:

Quote:
My idea was to make a much bigger gap between first and second, and maybe second and third. What I was trying to do was give people the incentive to overtake, not to sit there getting points."

Ecclestone also revealed that he had more radical proposals to improve the show - starting with a controversial plan to introduce 'shortcuts' at grand prix tracks that each driver could use for a limited number of times per race.

"I think it would be very easy for us on each circuit to have an area where you could gain a bit of time so you could overtake - a shortcut if you like - which a driver could use five times during the race, so it would stop people getting stuck behind somebody," he suggested.

"It's good for TV, good for the TV commentators, they could talk about somebody having three [shortcuts] left and somebody else having two and what's going to happen and so on."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80852

However, he did not mention anything about banana skins or red turtle shells that drivers could fire after grabbing a present on the track...
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:19 pm



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 32):
It could be said that but for stupid mistakes earlier in the season Hamilton's lucky break on that last corner would have been irrelevent.
It could equally be said that if he had received penalties on par with others earlier in the season Hamilton would not have needed his lucky last minute reprieve.

many things can be said, but the point is that he was there, in the fight for the title untik thge very end, proving that he is not that bad .. and if you add a few more races as experience, I think he has as chances for winning. The difference might be that with a crappy car, Schumi, the cry baby Alonso and possibly Hammy can still make it work, whereas Massa would fall into the group that without the car they don't have that "extra" something the great drivers have.

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:18 pm

Update on Launch Dates:

Mercedes GP: 25 Jan
McLaren: 29 Jan
Ferrari: 30 Jan
Renault: 31 Jan
BMW Sauber: 31 Jan
Lotus: 12 Feb

Any others?

Other news:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80893
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Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:15 am

Tyre width.

This season the front tyre width has been reduced although looking at the technical regulations one would not think so as they appear identical to 2009.

I am assuming Bridgestone are altering the construction to make a narrower tread width. In 2009 the tread width was 270mm does anyone have any idea what it will be in 2010?

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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:26 am



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 36):
I am assuming Bridgestone are altering the construction to make a narrower tread width. In 2009 the tread width was 270mm does anyone have any idea what it will be in 2010?

245mm and will be a harder compound to account for heavier cars with full tanks.

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Schumi .4 seconds off the Jerez Lap Record set by KAMUI KOBAYASHI

well that should shut the people up who have been saying he's to old and past it
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Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:58 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 35):
Schumi .4 seconds off the Jerez Lap Record set by KAMUI KOBAYASHI....

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Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:08 pm

Brawn tips Schumi for the WDC title this year,
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80955

Well, if that's how he sees it, I feel sorry for Rosberg who will not stand a chance as Brawn will be 100% focused on Schumi, and give him whatever he wants when snapping his fingers.
Brawn has basically already degraded Rosberg to the teams no. 2 driver.

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Quoting Sudden (Reply 39):
Well, if that's how he sees it, I feel sorry for Rosberg who will not stand a chance as Brawn will be 100% focused on Schumi, and give him whatever he wants when snapping his fingers.
Brawn has basically already degraded Rosberg to the teams no. 2 driver.

That's not really a surprise. On one side you have one of the best drivers in history, with 7 WDCs and an incredible amount of experience, and on the other you have a driver that never won any GP (not that he does not have any talent to do it...). I guess the choice of #1 and #2 was kinda easy.

What is a shame for Rosberg, though, is that when he signed for Brawn/Mercedes GP, he did not think he would have Schumi as a teammate and he probably thought he signed as the #1 driver...
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Quoting Sudden (Reply 39):

Well, if that's how he sees it, I feel sorry for Rosberg who will not stand a chance as Brawn will be 100% focused on Schumi, and give him whatever he wants when snapping his fingers.

Don't feel so sorry for Rosberg... he has every chance to prove himself the better driver, and if he does, he'll be #1 in the team. Both cars are equal, the days of giving the #1 driver the better engine and the larger engineering team are long gone, so if Rosberg is a better driver, he'll beat MS. Obviously Schumi signed the contract that most likely states that he'll be the preferred #1, but if Nico is quicker in a majority of the first races of the season, Brawn isn't so in love with the idea of WDC #8 for Schumi that he'll deny the obvious and refuse to order Michael to support Nico. Brawn's prediction is just going with logic, which says that MS is one of the top 3 or 4 drivers in the history of the sport, while Nico is fairly quick qualifier who has never won a race and never really shown that well over a whole race distance. Why wouldn't MS be a clear #1 going into the season?
 
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:27 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 40):
That's not really a surprise. On one side you have one of the best drivers in history, with 7 WDCs and an incredible amount of experience, and on the other you have a driver that never won any GP (not that he does not have any talent to do it...). I guess the choice of #1 and #2 was kinda easy.

I see what you mean, but coming to Mercedes GP would for sure have put Rosberg in a better position to really show who he is. Now I can't see that happening.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 41):
Both cars are equal, the days of giving the #1 driver the better engine and the larger engineering team are long gone

In regards to engines etc your correct, but my point is that main focus will be on Schumi, and to make sure he gets what he needs.
And yes, Schumi is a great talent with his 7 titles, but he has also been away from the sport for 3 years. Even if he would not be as fast in the beginning, Brawn will still focus on making him. Why should he not do all and beyond to help the 7 times title holder?

Like I said in part 1, I don't want history to repeat itself with Schumi getting all the attention and being able to pull stunts that would see other drivers get a heavy fine or grid penalty.

I hope I'm wrong though and that you are right about that those days are gone.  Smile


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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:56 pm



Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
I see what you mean, but coming to Mercedes GP would for sure have put Rosberg in a better position to really show who he is. Now I can't see that happening.

That's what I more or less implied below:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 40):
What is a shame for Rosberg, though, is that when he signed for Brawn/Mercedes GP, he did not think he would have Schumi as a teammate and he probably thought he signed as the #1 driver...



Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
Like I said in part 1, I don't want history to repeat itself with Schumi getting all the attention and being able to pull stunts that would see other drivers get a heavy fine or grid penalty.

Well, you know who is the new FIA president, right?  Wink
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Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 43):
Well, you know who is the new FIA president, right?

haha....well pointed. Schumi should be covered for life.

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Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:23 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 43):
Well, you know who is the new FIA president, right? Wink

Wait a minute, I thought the help was for Ferrari .. now you add Schumi .. ????
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Tue Jan 19, 2010 7:33 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 45):

Wait a minute, I thought the help was for Ferrari .. now you add Schumi .. ????
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I'm sure the mob are hoping its just Ferrari. That is unless they have money on Schumacher at long odds.
 
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Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 41):
Nico is fairly quick qualifier who has never won a race and never really shown that well over a whole race distance.

That's because he never had the equipment to prove it. When the Williams was good, such as in street circuits, Rosberg came second in Singapore in '08 and was going very well until the unfortunate pit exit incident in '09. I'm confident that Nico Rosberg will be a star in the making, and the last thing he needs right now is to sign for a team that will more than likely lean towards supporting Schumacher.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 42):
In regards to engines etc your correct, but my point is that main focus will be on Schumi, and to make sure he gets what he needs.
And yes, Schumi is a great talent with his 7 titles, but he has also been away from the sport for 3 years. Even if he would not be as fast in the beginning, Brawn will still focus on making him. Why should he not do all and beyond to help the 7 times title holder?

Yes. I have little doubt that Schumacher will be able to hand-pick his pit crew, race engineers etc.
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:58 am



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 45):
Wait a minute, I thought the help was for Ferrari .. now you add Schumi .. ????

Well, Schumi was Todt's protégé... They worked together for 13 years. Todt consider Schumi almost like his son. So yes, I add Schumi on top of Ferrari.
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RE: F1 Off Season 2009/2010 - Part 2

Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:56 am



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 48):
Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 45):
Wait a minute, I thought the help was for Ferrari .. now you add Schumi .. ????

Well, Schumi was Todt's protégé... They worked together for 13 years. Todt consider Schumi almost like his son. So yes, I add Schumi on top of Ferrari.

Well hardly a protege as Schumi was a double world champion when he went to Ferarri, but I know what you mean.


However don't forget that Felipe Massa at Ferrari is managed by Jean Todt's son, Nicolas....
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