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Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:10 am

An old story in Japan, but the selective prosecutors in Tokyo are at it again with their double standards. How about going after some real criminals? Or perhaps the hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis? No, they pick on the 69 year-old established artist who doesn't have any mob connections like the aforementioned  

Tokyo police will likely soon send papers to prosecutors on renowned photographer Kishin Shinoyama and two female models over the shooting of nude pictures in public areas for a book, sources said.

Shinoyama allegedly took photos of the two models late at night in places in central Tokyo, including the Akasaka and Aoyama districts, between July and September 2008.

Shinoyama, 69, and the two women are suspected of indecent exposure...

The photos were taken for a 60-page book, titled "No Nude by Kishin 1 20XX Tokyo," published in January 2009. The models were photographed at cemeteries, wedding halls and on JR railway tracks, among other locations.


http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20100124TDY02302.htm

For anyone unfamiliar with him, this is probably one of his most well-known photographs:



[Edited 2010-01-25 02:17:21]
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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:33 am

I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period. The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time. PERIOD.
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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:41 am



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet.

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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:49 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Or perhaps the hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis?

Seriously? As in you can just be walking down the street and happen upon a porn shoot?
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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:58 am



Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Seriously? As in you can just be walking down the street and happen upon a porn shoot?

In five years here I've seen it at least three times myself. Most people pretend it's not happening. Pretty suspicious when a guy and gal exit a restroom with video camera equipment!

Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law.

It's only illegal if it causes nuisance or offense to others. The photos were all taken at night so pretty hard for that to be the case. At any rate, it's stupid. There are clubs where couples can have live sex in front of others in major cities, there are bars where men can get coffee from women standing on mirrored floors in crotchless skirts, a quick google search will yield hundreds of exhibitionist websites of housewives and office ladies posing all over the countryside for their husbands or anyone who will pay - there's an entire blog network supporting such activity. Where are the arrests??
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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:19 pm



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan,



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
It's only illegal if it causes nuisance or offense to others.

If this is only nudity, and no sex, why is it illegal in Japan? Don't the Japanese still have public baths where entire families go and also get naked?
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:24 pm



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
the hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis

Funny how on the outside Japanese society seems all stiff and conservative and traditional, but some of the weirdest porn in the world comes from there. Stuff that makes 2 girls and a cup look like sesame steet.
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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:43 pm



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period.

Unless things have changed drastically, it is not prosecuted as illegal. Japanese culture is to not see such things unless forced to confront them. It was quite common to have a car pull up and park at the beach. See young men and women step out and disrobe and put on their swimsuits. Families, old farts, etc. It was not nudity, it was just what someone needed to do and was "not seen".

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
It's only illegal if it causes nuisance or offense to others.

That is my experience.

Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time

Tell her the old US redneck joke.

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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:42 pm



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100.

Considering how fast people drive in Russia you were pretty unlucky to get caught.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Seriously? As in you can just be walking down the street and happen upon a porn shoot?

Yup Jap porn is damm kinky stuff, loads of on the street, in trains and busses stuff.

What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying, can't Japanese girls get shagged without crying, I thought it was only something they did for the movies then I found out that that is just what they do, I wonder why?
 
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:01 pm



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying, can't Japanese girls get shagged without crying, I thought it was only something they did for the movies then I found out that that is just what they do, I wonder why?

All Japanese women are into rape fantasies???

A bit of a personal question, you don't have to answer. In your romantic interludes w/ Japanese women was it all pixelated down there too?  Wink
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Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):
In your romantic interludes w/ Japanese women was it all pixelated down there too? Wink

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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:46 pm



Quoting Alberchico (Reply 6):

Funny how on the outside Japanese society seems all stiff and conservative and traditional, but some of the weirdest porn in the world comes from there.

That's precisely my point - and why this kind of selective prosecution picking on an artist pisses me off.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying

That's what the male audience wants to see to fulfill their domination fantasies. It's just a tad screwed up.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):
All Japanese women are into rape fantasies???

No, though I've encountered some innnnnteresting ones all the same.  hyper 

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 9):

A bit of a personal question, you don't have to answer. In your romantic interludes w/ Japanese women was it all pixelated down there too?

Luckily, no! That was a good one though.
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:37 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 11):
That's what the male audience wants to see to fulfill their domination fantasies. It's just a tad screwed up.

Maybe Japanese males but not kiwi ones.

My theory goes something like this, the average Japanese male according to my ex Japanese girlfriend has a tiny penis, so to make said Japanese male (with the small penis) think he's a stud the Japanese girls cry so it makes the Japanese male feel he's the boss and his penis is a whopper and is causing a bit of pain. Just putting it out there.
 
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:50 am



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
My theory goes something like this, the average Japanese male according to my ex Japanese girlfriend has a tiny penis, so to make said Japanese male (with the small penis) think he's a stud the Japanese girls cry so it makes the Japanese male feel he's the boss and his penis is a whopper and is causing a bit of pain. Just putting it out there.

Wow that's some seriously twisted stuff. They need to do what those in the US with small penises do, buy every gun known to man.  Big grin
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:41 pm



Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
Wow that's some seriously twisted stuff. They need to do what those in the US with small penises do, buy every gun known to man.

Now that is truly a twisted thought.
 
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
They need to do what those in the US with small penises do, buy every gun known to man.

Or drive big gas-guzzler cars. Big grin
 
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Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period. The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time. PERIOD.

That's bad luck !

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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:41 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
hundreds (if not thousands) of porn producers who are shooting public blowjobs and exhibitionist fetish materials in broad daylight all over Tokyo on a regular basis?

I really need to spend more time in Japan.  Smile
Not sure why Kishin Shinoyama was singled out.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
Yup Jap porn is damm kinky stuff, loads of on the street, in trains and busses stuff.

Cool.  Cool

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 4):
There are clubs where couples can have live sex in front of others in major cities, there are bars where men can get coffee from women standing on mirrored floors in crotchless skirts,

Sweet!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8):
What really annoys me about Japanese porn is all the crying, can't Japanese girls get shagged without crying, I thought it was only something they did for the movies then I found out that that is just what they do, I wonder why?

I picked up a Japanese movie and it has a lot of crying. I simply didn't get it but at the same time, I am not trying to figure it out either. I just hit the mute button.
None of the Japanese women I've slept with were crying. It was the usual moaning and calling out my name like all other women.
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Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:01 am



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 15):
Or drive big gas-guzzler cars.

I think you meant to type big gas-guzzler SUVs.
Technically those aren't cars.
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RE: Japanese Hypocrisy Again: Photographer Arrested

Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:05 am



Quoting TU204 (Reply 1):
I am assuming public exposure is illegal in Japan, if so, he broke the law. Period. The other day I was stopped for speeding near moscow going 109 in a 100. Two cars passed me in the left lane going atleast 120. My fiance started pointing this out to the inspector when I told her to be quiet. I was guilty of speeding regardless of what anyone else was doing on that highway at the time. PERIOD.

The big problem is that in Japan, the laws and enforcement are fairly arbitrary. That's upsets people and rouses cries of "hypocrisy". Pornography with public sex acts is actually quite common, yet you'll never see persecution of this. It's also not hard to come across sub-18 porn /soft-core porn being sold in the open. As long as it maintains a low profile, people look the other way.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
My theory goes something like this, the average Japanese male according to my ex Japanese girlfriend has a tiny penis, so to make said Japanese male (with the small penis) think he's a stud the Japanese girls cry so it makes the Japanese male feel he's the boss and his penis is a whopper and is causing a bit of pain. Just putting it out there.

Another thing we have to look at is that Japanese men are incredibly undersexed compared to the rest of the world. In how many other countries is it considered perfectly normal for a married couple to sleep in separate rooms? When men are frustrated and undersexed, we will turn to more fetish/rape/domination material to feed unfulfilled fantasies--and that's exactly what you're seeing.

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