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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...oll-of-Self-Identified-Republicans
The results range from the weird to the downright scary. I'm most disappointed that as many as 9 in 10 support the state murdering people.
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Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Thread starter):
I'm most disappointed that as many as 9 in 10 support the state murdering people.

There are certain instances where I agree the death penalty should be used. Not all the time, not with every murder case, but it should be an option.

I saw this story on Maddow the other night. I was not schocked so much by some of the "no" and "not sure" responses. But, some of the "yes" responses really get me. Also, there were some responses she was combining the "not sure" and "yes" responses. I thought it was enough that 39% of those polled think Obama should be impeached and 42% still believe he was not born in the United States. That is scary! I wonder how many of the responders support Palin and the Tea Party movement. That would be an interensting study.
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I'll beat our republican friends here by calling BS on this poll. I refuse to believe that the average Republican is as retarted and backward as that poll seems to suggest. And if it is right, may God / Allah / Buddha,... (fill in deity of choice) help you guys in the US...
 
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Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Thread starter):
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...oll-of-Self-Identified-Republicans
The results range from the weird to the downright scary. I'm most disappointed that as many as 9 in 10 support the state murdering people.

You are taking seriously a poll from the Daily Kos? Look at their polling track record - not very good. Look at the quality of their questions. And of course the fact that this is "self-described Republicans", which even I would not qualify as - i.e. it's maybe 20% of the population.
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" so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

Non-partisan my a$$................ Research 2000 is owned by the Daily Kos, and no self respecting Republican would consider take their poll.

                    

Did you notice the author does not have the balls to put his name on the story? Did he/she think they were fooling anyone with those questions?   

I cannot wait until his/her book "American Taliban" comes out. It will be more liberal/socialists BS in print.   
 
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Geeze, I accessed the link and I thought I was reading a "comprehensive research poll" edited by Mein Kamph Olbermann and/or RayCha Maddeux. When will the b.s. tone down (from both f*cking retarded sides)? Regards...jack
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
You are taking seriously a poll from the Daily Kos? Look at their polling track record - not very good. Look at the quality of their questions. And of course the fact that this is "self-described Republicans", which even I would not qualify as - i.e. it's maybe 20% of the population.

Care to post a source about the track record of their polls? Care to break down the quality of their questions, and how they might be fair / unfair? These are legitimate questions, and the point was very clearly to see what self identified Republicans identified with and believed.

As for Research 2000, they are a non-partisan polling firm that was contracted by Daily Kos, a liberal blog. The questions are clearly pointed in one direction because that is the purpose of this poll, but Research 2000 themselves are not a liberal or conservative polling group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_2000

Finally, self-prescribed Republicans amount to 24.4% composite between all polls.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/party-id.php
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Did you notice the author does not have the balls to put his name on the story? Did he/she think they were fooling anyone with those questions?

No, the author's name is on the story - note the "by kos" line at the top. "kos" is the username of dailykos.com site founder and publisher Markos Moulitsas.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
You are taking seriously a poll from the Daily Kos? Look at their polling track record - not very good.

That's quite simply incorrect. Research 2000 polls are more accurate than Gallup or Zogby, among others - take a look at 538.com's pollster ratings.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster%20ratings
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
That's quite simply incorrect. Research 2000 polls are more accurate than Gallup or Zogby, among others - take a look at 538.com's pollster ratings.

Wait for it.... wait for it....

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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
You are taking seriously a poll from the Daily Kos
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Non-partisan my a$$................ Research 2000 is owned by the Daily Kos, and no self respecting Republican would consider take their poll.
Quoting cptkrell (Reply 5):
I accessed the link and I thought I was reading a "comprehensive research poll" edited by Mein Kamph Olbermann and/or RayCha Maddeux.

And, when Research 2000 is contracted to do a poll about the feelings and opinions of self-identified Democrats, that poll will be on here with all the usual right-wingers crowing about how "socialist" and "bad" the Democratic party is.

C'mon, guys! We all know that, short of going to every elections office in ever district all over this country and contacting every single name on voter rolls, there is really no accurate way of taking the pulse of the nation. When polls come out, this same sh*t happens. "They are lying! That company is simply an arm of the Repblican/Democratic party! Liars! Hate!"

To those right-wingers who don't understand, this poll was about self-identified Republicans. Not Americans in general.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

The magic words are "self-identified". The ultra left wing Daily Kos asks a bunch of left wing loons to "identify" them sleves as Rebublicans, then they poll them! Makes sense to me.
 
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Quoting tbar220 (Reply 6):
Care to post a source about the track record of their polls?

For one, I recall that they predicted that Coakley would win in Massachusetts, And can't recall any instance where they weren't way off.

Quoting tbar220 (Reply 6):
Care to break down the quality of their questions, and how they might be fair / unfair? These are legitimate questions, and the point was very clearly to see what self identified Republicans identified with and believed.

From the results of the poll, I will say that something is definitely wrong with the sampling. For one thing, it's heavily weighted towards older people. Also it's a phone poll. How were the people chosen? It makes a huge difference. For example, call during the daytime and you increase the chances that the respondents are unemployed. Unemployed people will tend to be less happy with the government. Daytime phoning also biases the sample to older females. Choose the names from published phone directories and you bias the sample to older people. And, you bias the sample to home owners which in turn causes a bias towards people that don't live in major cities.

What percentage of those contacted declined to be interviewed? This point is perhaps the most important. Once the sample is chosen the poll taker needs to get a very high percentage of the people to actually respond to the poll. I would be suspect of the results if anything less than 90% of the people contacted did not complete the poll. The people willing to spend the time to respond tend to be the people most dissatisfied and that severely biases the results.

On rare occasions, My wife and I get calls from Gallup or other well-known polling operation, and we'll answer their questions. Most of the time, the polling institution is some fly-by-night, lower tier operation and our response is "not interested, bye." I expect that most people are like that.

The final hint is again in the results of the polls. Many of the questions show some pretty extreme viewpoints. I have been a conservative most of my life, and most of my friends and colleagues are Republicans. I don't know any who say that Obama should be impeached, or that he wasn't born in Hawaii. The 'birthers' are a tiny minority not supported by any media or anything apart from a few kooky web sites, AFAIK. They are basically like the 9/11 truthers - and for the result to show nearly half believe it, I call bullsh&t.
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Research 2000 is owned by the Daily Kos

Is there a non-partisan source that can validate the assertion that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos?
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):

For one, I recall that they predicted that Coakley would win in Massachusetts, And can't recall any instance where they weren't way off.

As far as them not being "way off", I post this source for the second time in this thread.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster%20ratings

They are the eighth most accurate pollster.

Another source that might help you a little bit, Research 2000 called the election a tie the day before the election at 48-48 with a margin of error of +/- 4.5.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...l-coakley-and-brown-tied-48-48.php

The final results were Brown 51.9% to Coakley 47.1%. This is well within Research 2000's prediction and margin of error.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
From the results of the poll, I will say that something is definitely wrong with the sampling

As for the sampling (and the rest of your post's points as well), I'm far from a statistician or professional to say that I know how these things are done. However I know that these things are looked at with historical trends and taken into account in some measure in the margin of error. Also, I know that a sample of 2000 people is pretty large and results in pretty accurate results.

What I'm going to do next is to see how the groupings of self identified Republicans in the Research 2000 poll compares to a poll that asks for Party ID and see if that gets broken up as well by age, gender, race, etc. Once I find that, I'll compare the two to see how similar they are.
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Quoting tbar220 (Reply 13):
What I'm going to do next is to see how the groupings of self identified Republicans in the Research 2000 poll compares to a poll that asks for Party ID and see if that gets broken up as well by age, gender, race, etc. Once I find that, I'll compare the two to see how similar they are.

Well if the people being polled are Republicans, you really don't need to worry about "race".   


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The religious attitudes are what alarm me the most.

Look, I can appreciate conservatism as a political doctrine, even if I'm not a conservative.

But theocracy is not a valid political doctrine. 100% of governments run by theocracies have resulted in dictatorships. The view that religion or religious reasoning should have any role in running this government is by far the most alarming doctrine there is. A religious government has the will of God no matter what decisions it makes and is not subject to popular vote. And so if the will of God is that 15yo kids will be strung up by the neck to hang until dead because they are gay, then the Iranian government, which has a direct phone line to God, will do it!

Scary it is to want to turn the U.S. government into a Christian Taliban.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Look, I can appreciate conservatism as a political doctrine, even if I'm not a conservative.

But theocracy is not a valid political doctrine. 100% of governments run by theocracies have resulted in dictatorships. The view that religion or religious reasoning should have any role in running this government is by far the most alarming doctrine there is.

As you know, I have no use for the "religious right". But where are you getting the idea that they would be a Christian Taliban? For one thing, Christianity has nothing like Sharia.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):

As you know, I have no use for the "religious right". But where are you getting the idea that they would be a Christian Taliban? For one thing, Christianity has nothing like Sharia.

Clearly not. The Christians I knew, especially in college, were very progressive. They used their Christianity to do good and support equal rights for all. Hell, they would probably be accused of being socialists in today's atmosphere.

Unfortunately, its the loudest and richest that have the most power and voice right now, even if they are a small minority.
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Oh boy. This just takes the cake. Let's see, where to begin?

Ultimately, these results explain why it is impossible for elected Republicans to work with Democrats to improve our country. Their base are conspiracy mongers who don't believe Obama was born in the United States, that he is the second coming of Lenin, and that he is racist against white people. They already want to impeach him despite the glaringly obvious lack of high crimes or misdemeanors.

So if someone is unsure, they automatically conclude they are for impeachment?

Given what their base demands, and this poll illustrates them perfectly, it's no wonder the GOP is the party of no

Last week at the gop summit the President was given a folder of gop ideas that he has been proclaiming for months he knew nothing about. Has anyone heard him mention those ideas since? Heard them brought up or addressed? So who exactly is the party of no?

[i]Oof. That's some serious neanderthal action going on. Gays can't serve their country, teach children, get married, or even have civil unions. That's the GOP agenda for gays, which makes the existence of the Log Cabin Republicans that much more of a mystery.

Hmmm...The question did not even address civil unions yet the author has not implied, but concluded that republicans are against civil unions.

Yep, that's an unbaised poll and why am I absolutely sure it will dovetail exactly with what he already has written for his book. Remember, he said:

As I've mentioned before, I'm putting the finishing touches on my new book, American Taliban, which catalogues the ways in which modern-day conservatives share the same agenda as radical Jihadists in the Islamic world. But I found myself making certain claims about Republicans that I didn't know if they could be backed up. So I thought, "why don't we ask them directly?" And so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born.

So the poll wasn't initiated with an unbaised result in mind.
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
The religious attitudes are what alarm me the most.

Look, I can appreciate conservatism as a political doctrine, even if I'm not a conservative.

But theocracy is not a valid political doctrine. 100% of governments run by theocracies have resulted in dictatorships. The view that religion or religious reasoning should have any role in running this government is by far the most alarming doctrine there is. A religious government has the will of God no matter what decisions it makes and is not subject to popular vote.

   Some of the responses do worry me a bit, as, on its face, the poll indicates that Republicans are straying from real conservatism to the statist opposite of the Democrats. If it's accurate, it is scary and unsettling to myself, a registered Republican.

With that said, however, you have to take anything like this from the Daily Kos with about 10,000 grains of salt.
 
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):

As you know, I have no use for the "religious right". But where are you getting the idea that they would be a Christian Taliban? For one thing, Christianity has nothing like Sharia.

Uh... except for Fundamentalist Christianity. Some Fundamentalist preachers have even advocated public stoning.

Didn't you post pictures of some poor bastard being stoned in Somalia?
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Uh... except for Fundamentalist Christianity. Some Fundamentalist preachers have even advocated public stoning.

Considering the level of support for that kind of thing, those preachers are likely to be the first ones stoned. C'mon, how can you compare?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
Didn't you post pictures of some poor bastard being stoned in Somalia?

That was Sharia. Which has no equivalent in any other religion.
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Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Did you notice the author does not have the balls to put his name on the story? Did he/she think they were fooling anyone with those questions?

No, the author's name is on the story - note the "by kos" line at the top. "kos" is the username of dailykos.com site founder and publisher Markos Moulitsas.

Since I don't follow the daily kos, how am I to know him from his "user name"?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
You are taking seriously a poll from the Daily Kos? Look at their polling track record - not very good.

That's quite simply incorrect. Research 2000 polls are more accurate than Gallup or Zogby, among others - take a look at 538.com's pollster ratings.
Quoting 474218 (Reply 10):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
so, this massive poll, by non-partisan independent pollster Research 2000 of over 2,000 self-identified Republicans, was born."

The magic words are "self-identified". The ultra left wing Daily Kos asks a bunch of left wing loons to "identify" them sleves as Rebublicans, then they poll them! Makes sense to me.
Quoting tbar220 (Reply 13):
As far as them not being "way off", I post this source for the second time in this thread.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/pollster%20ratings

They are the eighth most accurate pollster.

Another source that might help you a little bit, Research 2000 called the election a tie the day before the election at 48-48 with a margin of error of +/- 4.5.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...l-coakley-and-brown-tied-48-48.php

The final results were Brown 51.9% to Coakley 47.1%. This is well within Research 2000's prediction and margin of error.

Hmmm, you do know that all polls, but one have a "margin of error". don't you? Do you know why? It is their safety net and claim they know that not all answers are accurate, it gives them cover from publishing incorrect numbers and the ability to say "we were right all along".

The one poll that is really accurate, 100% of the time is on election day, when the voters cast their ballots, except in FL, OH, and MN.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
The religious attitudes are what alarm me the most.

Look, I can appreciate conservatism as a political doctrine, even if I'm not a conservative.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
100% of governments run by theocracies have resulted in dictatorships.

But, not all dictatorships are religious governments. In fact, of the ones that are, the percentage is very small.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
then the Iranian government, which has a direct phone line to God, will do it!

No, they have a direct line to Allah, God's phone number is unlisted.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Scary it is to want to turn the U.S. government into a Christian Taliban.

Really? How many non-Christians live in the US? Some 5% worship Allah, another 4% Budda, and another 5% are Hindu, and about 15% worship no God. Collectively that is close to 1/4 of the US population and that doesn't even count those who identify themselves as devil worshippers, wickas, or other "Earth Religions".

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
except for Fundamentalist Christianity. Some Fundamentalist preachers have even advocated public stoning.

True, but what about those like Obama's friend, the "Rev." Jerimia Wright who preaches hate of the US and racism, "Revs." Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton who preach racism, and don't forget the Moorish Science Temple of America, Nation of Islam, and others of Malcom X and Louis Farrakhan "fame".
 
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):
Hmmm, you do know that all polls, but one have a "margin of error". don't you? Do you know why? It is their safety net and claim they know that not all answers are accurate, it gives them cover from publishing incorrect numbers and the ability to say "we were right all along".

Its actually not that simple. In statistics, the margin of error is actually a statistical value that is mathematically calculated, not just randomly generated to cover their asses as your are saying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

Can you admit, yes or no, that Research 2000 is the eighth most accurate pollster out of 32 polls?
Can you admit, yes or no, that Research 2000 was relatively accurate in their final poll predicting the Brown victory?
Can you admit, yes or no, that after reading the above link, that "margin of error" is actually a regular statistical value that is calculated mathematically for ALL polls?
Can you admit, yes or no, that statistics is purposely an inaccurate math because it is the math of percentages and predictions, and that no predictions are perfect, which is why they need MoE? (its kind of like how weathermen say there's a 70% chance of rain, they don't flat out say YES its going to rain or NO its not)

Oh wait, this sounds like a poll. I wonder if I should calculate a margin of error for your answers...
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Research 2000 is owned by the Daily Kos

I had asked a question earlier which may have been overlooked. You assert that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos. I looked around (on the web) and could not find anything to support this. Could you please provide a source? Thanks.
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Quoting WestWing (Reply 24):
I had asked a question earlier which may have been overlooked. You assert that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos. I looked around (on the web) and could not find anything to support this. Could you please provide a source?

I thought he was likely mistaken about this, but now I am not so sure. I tried to research the company, and am surprised that I cannot find anything about Research 2000 anywhere, apart from news and blog articles. I cannot find them registered as a business in any state, nor any information on shareholders, officers, or anything. Usually that information is available from the State government websites.

This "company" is very fishy to me. If anyone is more successful in finding out who is behind Research 2000, I'd love to have a look.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 25):
This "company" is very fishy to me. If anyone is more successful in finding out who is behind Research 2000, I'd love to have a look.

Actually, you're onto something here. Not only are there no business records, but their contact information lists only a PO Box and their quoted pollster cannot be seen anywhere on youtube or anywhere on the net other than a few inconspicuous blogs outside of DK. The majority of other polling firms have detailed contact information and representatives who appear on television, as well as hiring/careers sections on their websites. Truly bizarre.
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Yes because dailykos is a great website???? If a republican put up a poll from fox news everyone would be saying oh thats crazy its just a fox news poll its not real etc... etc... Lets get a real news source or non-partisian poll up here.

Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Thread starter):
The results range from the weird to the downright scary. I'm most disappointed that as many as 9 in 10 support the state murdering people.

Okay so Republicans think its okay to kill child killers, mass murders and democrats think its okay to kill babies your point?

As for me I am pro choice and pro death penalty I can actually make up my mind and be consistent unlike many people.

I highly doubt these polls are that good. Also what does it matter republicans will always vote republican and democrats will always vote dem. The real issue is what independents think and as Mass should us right now they are siding with the republicans.
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 25):
who is behind Research 2000

Delair Ali, a University of Maryland graduate, based in Montgomery County, Maryland. (All gleaned form google).
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Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 28):
democrats think its okay to kill babies your point?

Can you please be honest with your argument? Last I checked, Democrats are not pro-killing babies.
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Quoting WestWing (Reply 29):
Delair Ali, a University of Maryland graduate, based in Montgomery County, Maryland. (All gleaned form google).
OK, here is a little more information. The data was apparently updated only last week.

http://european-companies.masterseek...com/id/101966600/Research-2000.htm

Quote:
Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue $57,000 and employs a staff of 1.

Sorry, but this is NOT a serious polling organization by any means whatsoever.

Another hint: his name appears variably as Del Ali or as Dell Ally.

Even another hint: This is the company's office:


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Considering the cost of real estate in the area, there is no way in hell that Del Ali lives off of the income from Research 2000. This is either a side-job, or he's still living with his parents.

Details on the house: Last sold for $980,000 on 12/29/2005, Last assessed at $859,072 on 2009

http://www.realtor.com/property-deta...ake-Dr_Rockville_MD_20853_0c1a5d03

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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:32 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 31):

Sorry, but this is NOT a serious polling organization by any means whatsoever.

If they're not so serious, I bring up again, how is a "not serious" organization the eight most accurate polling service?
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:36 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 31):
OK, here is a little more information. The data was apparently updated only last week.

The masterseek site you cite has viagra ads in the profile of the company. Shows how good a site masterseek is.

Research 2000 may indeed be a single-person company. However, I was inquiring about the (evidently unsupported) assertion made by someone else that Research 2000 was owed by Daily Kos.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:39 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 33):
However, I was inquiring about the (evidently unsupported) assertion made by someone else that Research 2000 was owed by Daily Kos.

I doubt that will be addressed. I called them out on it earlier on the thread and it was ignored. I even pointed out that Research 2000 is an independently owned company that was contracted by DailyKos, but not owned by. I even used a source to show it! Did they address my points?

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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 4:53 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 33):
The masterseek site you cite has viagra ads in the profile of the company. Shows how good a site masterseek is.

Those Google ads provide you with ads which cookies on your computer, which track what kind of websites you typically go to, give an indication of what kind of stuff you are looking for. It appears that your web profile indicates that you need Viagra. When I visit the site, I get ads for Online legal research, Buys stocks for $4, Lung Cancer Research, and Umbilical Cord Banking (whatever that is).

Draw your own conclusions.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 33):

Research 2000 may indeed be a single-person company. However, I was inquiring about the (evidently unsupported) assertion made by someone else that Research 2000 was owed by Daily Kos

I think we can accurately say by now that Research 2000 is NOT owned by Daily Kos. There simply is nothing there to own.

Quoting tbar220 (Reply 32):

If they're not so serious, I bring up again, how is a "not serious" organization the eight most accurate polling service?
Quoting tbar220 (Reply 8):
Wait for it.... wait for it....

"538.com is a left leaning group too!!"

Apparently 538.com is a also a one-person operation, run by Nate Silver, a writer at the baseball and baseball stats site Baseball Prospectus. I have no idea about his political leanings, or his methodology. Given his other job, I guess we can assume he knows something about Statistics, although we all know that you can make statistics say anything you want - depending on your methodology.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:07 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
It appears that your web profile indicates that you need Viagra.

In the Research 2000 profile on masterseek, I see the following content (emphasis added):

Olney, Maryland-based polling and research firm specializing in US state and local elections. Staff and company profiles, op-eds, media citations, ...Soma Tramadol prescription Overnight tramadol Viagra online Order fioricet Buy cialis Buy viagra cheap Viagra sale online Online pay day loan...

Am I the only one that google believes has poor circulation in my nether regions ? Interesting.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 5:27 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 26):
Not only are there no business records, but their contact information lists only a PO Box and their quoted pollster cannot be seen anywhere on youtube or anywhere on the net other than a few inconspicuous blogs outside of DK.
http://www.research2000.us/about-2/

From the "About Us" page:

Some of our most active media clientele include the Bergen Record, The Raleigh News & Observer, The Concord Monitor, The Manchester Journal Inquirer, The New London Day, The Reno-Gazette, The Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, The Spokesman-Review, KCCI-Television in Des Moines, Iowa, WRAL-Television in Raleigh, North Carolina, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, and KMOV-Television in St. Louis, Missouri.

Our Polls can be seen on CNN’S “Inside Politics” and are also mentioned frequently in the National Journal’s “Political Hotline”, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Christian Science Monitor, and The Wall Street Journal. Visit our In the News Page to see some online examples of this.

Some of our non media clientele include NEA affiliates in (Idaho, Iowa, Missouri, Nebraska, and Washington), Sullivan & LeShane, The New Mexico Gaming Commission, Vermont Power Electric, The Coalition to Reduce Nuclear Dangers, and NCG Porter Novelli.


Spokane, Des Moines, Nebraska and Idaho are conservative areas. Also, I did not see any ads of any kind on their web site.

Getting back on topic: I can see how this poll is pretty close to what is actually going on. There are "real" Republicans out there and then there are the right-wingers who believe this stuff. I can see it. A lot of Indepentants can see it. A lot of Liberitarians can see it. A lot of Democrats can see it. Even some Republicans can see it. It seems some of the ones who can not see it are the ones screaming and crying that this poll is biased in some way; those that blindly support the "Tea Party" movement. Not on this board, but out on the street in the real world.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:01 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 22):

True, but what about those like Obama's friend, the "Rev." Jerimia Wright who preaches hate of the US and racism, "Revs." Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton who preach racism, and don't forget the Moorish Science Temple of America, Nation of Islam, and others of Malcom X and Louis Farrakhan "fame".

Also perfectly good examples of how Christianity is at least as violent, prejudiced, and racist as Islam.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 6:16 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 24):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 4):
Research 2000 is owned by the Daily Kos

I had asked a question earlier which may have been overlooked. You assert that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos. I looked around (on the web) and could not find anything to support this. Could you please provide a source? Thanks.
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 25):
I thought he was likely mistaken about this, but now I am not so sure. I tried to research the company, and am surprised that I cannot find anything about Research 2000 anywhere, apart from news and blog articles. I cannot find them registered as a business in any state, nor any information on shareholders, officers, or anything. Usually that information is available from the State government websites.

This "company" is very fishy to me. If anyone is more successful in finding out who is behind Research 2000, I'd love to have a look.
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 26):
Actually, you're onto something here. Not only are there no business records, but their contact information lists only a PO Box and their quoted pollster cannot be seen anywhere on youtube or anywhere on the net other than a few inconspicuous blogs outside of DK. The majority of other polling firms have detailed contact information and representatives who appear on television, as well as hiring/careers sections on their websites. Truly bizarre.
Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 28):
Yes because dailykos is a great website????
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 31):
Quoting WestWing (Reply 29):
Delair Ali, a University of Maryland graduate, based in Montgomery County, Maryland. (All gleaned form google).
OK, here is a little more information. The data was apparently updated only last week.

http://european-companies.masterseek...com/id/101966600/Research-2000.htm

Quote:
Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue $57,000 and employs a staff of 1.

Sorry, but this is NOT a serious polling organization by any means whatsoever.

Another hint: his name appears variably as Del Ali or as Dell Ally.

Even another hint: This is the company's office:
Quoting WestWing (Reply 33):
The masterseek site you cite has viagra ads in the profile of the company. Shows how good a site masterseek is.

Research 2000 may indeed be a single-person company. However, I was inquiring about the (evidently unsupported) assertion made by someone else that Research 2000 was owed by Daily Kos.

Apparently, Mr. Ali is also DK Blogger "The Wurt" or "The Wrut", who is officially connected to the DK.

What does advertisers on a web site have to do with anything?
 
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:26 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 39):
Apparently, Mr. Ali is also DK Blogger "The Wurt" or "The Wrut", who is officially connected to the DK.

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Bravo ! First you assert that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos, and when called out, you throw out another unsupported statement that Delair Ali is the person who blogs on Daily Kos as (I assume you mean) "The Wurx". Again, is there a link to a non-partisan source that will substantiate this latest statement of yours?

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 39):
What does advertisers on a web site have to do with anything?

Let me explain. Dreadnought supplied a link to this website which he cited as a source for (a)the number of employees, (b)the business address and (c)the revenues of the Research 2000. When I look at the the link that Dreadnought provided, I see Viagra and Cialis text in the company profile of what Research 2000 does - it is not a separate advertisement. Seeing that, my opinion is that the information on that masterseek site is likely suspect.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:35 pm

Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Thread starter):
I'm most disappointed that as many as 9 in 10 support the state murdering people.

Not that I like that either, but you say that as opposed to the state enslaving them to the power of the collective, like the left proposes? I feel so much better with THOSE thugs in power



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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 8:46 pm

Quoting tbar220 (Reply 30):
Can you please be honest with your argument? Last I checked, Democrats are not pro-killing babies.

The OP said the Death Penalty is murder so I think its fair to say I can call abortion killing babies no? As usual most liberal's see one side of the argument and never the other.

Again I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty but I am just trying to prove a point if the Death Penalty can be called murder by liberals I think I have all the right in calling abortion the killings or muder of babies no?
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:27 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 40):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 39):
Apparently, Mr. Ali is also DK Blogger "The Wurt" or "The Wrut", who is officially connected to the DK.

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Bravo ! First you assert that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos, and when called out, you throw out another unsupported statement that Delair Ali is the person who blogs on Daily Kos as (I assume you mean) "The Wurx".

Well, WestWing (which I assume referrs to the White House, since you are also in the Washington, DC area, maybe you might even be a "Big O" staff member), you have rejected many facts found out about Research 2000. It seems you are not interested in facts. BTW, "The Wurx" is the user name I was meaning.

Yes, I know you joined a.net in 2005, and cannot be a member of Obama's staff, but I did enjoy pulling your leg, my friend.

        
 
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:21 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 40):
Let me explain. Dreadnought supplied a link to this website which he cited as a source for (a)the number of employees, (b)the business address and (c)the revenues of the Research 2000. When I look at the the link that Dreadnought provided, I see Viagra and Cialis text in the company profile of what Research 2000 does - it is not a separate advertisement. Seeing that, my opinion is that the information on that masterseek site is likely suspect.

As I said before, if you have some better sources, I'd like to see them. I have explained my reservations clearly - They claim to be based in MD, but according to the MD SecState website, there is no such company in MD, and I can't find any company called Research 2000 anywhere else. The ONLY reference I found of them with any details at all was the Masterseek website. For any legitimate company, even privately owned, there are dozens of websites that will provide you basic information about turnover, employees, officers, and shareholders.

This indicates to me that Research 2000 doesn't exist. It is nothing more, it seems, as an alias used by Del Ali. A poll with a company name at the bottom is superficially more believable than if it just has Mr. XXX at the bottom.

A poll that is conducted by a single individual has absolutely ZERO believability with me. There are no internal controls. No meeting between people to go over the methodology and confirm that "yes, this works, we are ready to put our company name on it."

All information provided points to Research 2000 being a fraud. If you have information that indicates that they are not, please let us know. I'll be glad to admit I'm wrong.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:54 am

In my posts in this thread I have done the following

a. Asked for the basis for an assertion made by KC135TopBoom that Research 2000 is owned by Daily Kos.

b. Answered Dreadnought's question of "who is behind Research 2000" by providing the name Delair Ali, which I found by doing a google search.

c. Made the observation that the Masterseek site appears to have garbage ("buy Viagra") embedded in the Research 2000 company profile. Because of this garbage I am leery about the accuracy of information on Masterseek.

d. Asked for the basis of an assertion made by KC135TopBoom that DK blogger "TheWurx" is no other than Delair Ali

The above four items are the only points or questions I have asked in this thread, from which it has been possible for someone to deduce that I am not interested in the facts. Quite remarkable.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:18 am

I became incredulous when I read that:

1) 42 in 100 Republicans might want their State to secede from the Union
2) 64 in 100 Republicans might think Obama is a racist
3) 64 in 100 Republicans might think Obama wasn't born in the U.S.
and
4) 51 in 100 Republicans don't think sexual education should be taught in schools

BULLSHIT. If you believe any of this, please realize, you're being brainwashed!!!
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:09 am

Quoting WestWing (Reply 45):
The above four items are the only points or questions I have asked in this thread, from which it has been possible for someone to deduce that I am not interested in the facts. Quite remarkable.

What is remarkable is an infatuation with the irrelevant and an inability to see the bigger picture. The key point in all this is that Research 2000 is NOT a credible source. We have shown this by an extensive search revealing that the company does not exist in any of the resources where such companies would be listed, among other problems.

Neither you or anyone else has provided a credible argument on why any "data" provided by Research 2000 should be perceived as believable.

Those are the real conclusions of this thread.
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:15 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 47):
The key point in all this is that Research 2000 is NOT a credible source

That is the most relevent statement in this thread, so far
 
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RE: Interesting Poll Among Republicans

Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:57 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 45):
The above four items are the only points or questions I have asked in this thread, from which it has been possible for someone to deduce that I am not interested in the facts. Quite remarkable.

If you look over the Research 2000 site, in which they claim numerous clients without a single link or secondary source, and compare it to other reputable polling actors like Rasmussen, Zogby, Gallup, et al - you will find distinctly observable differences. Don't stop there - compare the 'about us', 'careers', and 'contact' sections as well and the facts will become obvious to you.
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