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Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:25 am

Speedweeks at Daytona heats up tomorrow, with the Gatorade Duels tomorrow, the Truck race Friday night, the Danica Patrick Invitational...err, Nationwide race Saturday and the Daytona 500 Sunday. Danica "The Brand" Patrick goes from never having run a stock car race to the B league of NASCAR in just over a week. We'll see how that plays out.

Any NASCAR fans still around on A.net? And would anybody be interested in doing another Yahoo Fantasy Auto Racing game as has been done in the past?
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:31 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Thread starter):
the Danica Patrick Invitational...err, Nationwide race Saturday and the Daytona 500 Sunday. Danica "The Brand" Patrick goes from never having run a stock car race to the B league of NASCAR in just over a week. We'll see how that plays out.

        
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:40 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):
Juan Pablo Montoya

Unquestionably the most successful open wheel driver in NASCAR today, next to Tony Stewart of course. Certainly JPM is the most successful out of the ones who made the switch to NASCAR recently. Made the Chase last year, Rookie of the Year and won at Sonoma in 2007. Not bad for an Indy 500, CART, and Monaco GP Champion. (He should have won the Brickyard 400 last year.. he gave the race away while dominating due to a speeding violation.

Psyched up for this season - Should be a blast once they eliminate the Rear wings. Can't wait to see how the cars handle after the return to Rear Spoilers.

It's a given Chad Kanus and the #48 team will adapt quickly to the change, the real question is how fast the other teams can adapt!

Still have not purchased my tickets to the Vegas race this year. I am on the fence about going. Might try PIR and California Speedway though later on in the year.

I do have my tickets for the Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona however. Can't wait to see Schumi race in F1 again.. but I will save that for a different thread  
 
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:42 am

Quoting National757 (Reply 2):
Unquestionably the most successful open wheel driver in NASCAR today, next to Tony Stewart of course. Certainly JPM is the most successful out of the ones who made the switch to NASCAR recently. Made the Chase last year, Rookie of the Year and won at Sonoma in 2007. Not bad for an Indy 500, CART, and Monaco GP Champion. (He should have won the Brickyard 400 last year.. he gave the race away while dominating due to a speeding violation.

I know that the guy is a better driver than 99% of plebian Americans out there, but since it is the USA they like to penalize you for excessive speeds.

Take away the restrictor plates damnit.
 
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:23 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Thread starter):
"The Brand" Patrick goes from never having run a stock car race to the B league of NASCAR in just over a week. We'll see how that plays out.

Sounds like you either have a crush on her or you hate the fact she is a moving up so fast.

Eitherway Danica, is driving for the premier Nationwide Series Team and has owners that have a combined 17 Championships.

I'll route for anyone driving for JR Motorsports or Hendrick Motorsports.   



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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:35 pm

In fairness, JPM has run well in Cup so far. Hornish, though I like him, not so much. Same with Franchitti and Scott Speed. AJ Allmendinger is just now figuring it out.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 4):
Sounds like you either have a crush on her or you hate the fact she is a moving up so fast.

Eitherway Danica, is driving for the premier Nationwide Series Team and has owners that have a combined 17 Championships.

I'll route for anyone driving for JR Motorsports or Hendrick Motorsports.


I'm an HMS fan. I'm a diehard Jeff Gordon fan who's also loving the resurgence of Mark Martin and pulls for Dale Jr.

I'm just not sold on Danica. When I think of how arrogant she's been over the years & how the God complex set in with her despite not having done all that much in the IRL, I cringe a little bit. The respect goes down when I think about her explicitly saying she was coming to NASCAR to expand "Danica, the brand" (hence the nickname I've given her) when describing her move. If she runs well again on Saturday, this time against stiffer competition than last Saturday, I'll eat crow.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:45 pm

One thing that has disappointed me this Speedweeks has been the lack of coverage Nelson Piquet Jr. has been getting. This is guy is going to tear up more equiptment than John Wes Townley this year. I guarantee this man will cause a large wreck in the truck race.

I think the thing that has upset me more than anything else this week though, at least so far has been the coverage of Danica. Allie Owens was running in 3rd for the most part for 3/4th of the ARCA race and she barely got a mention. Danica runs conservatively and mid pack for the whole race and you'ld think shes a prophet.

ENOUGH WITH DANICA. She barely was competitive in the IRL, what is going to make any difference here. She is the new David Gilliland of NASCAR.

Let me be the first to say congrats Danica on your 26th place finish in the Danica 300.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:46 pm

If anybody's up for the Yahoo Fantasy game, I just set up my roster for this year. If I get a few people that want in, I'll create a group & post the password & details.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:24 pm

As much as I am a huge fan of motorsports, going to the 24 Hours of Le Mans every year, watching every single F1 race, most of the LMS races and ALMS races, following WRC, IRC, GT races, FIA-GT, GP2 and sometimes IRL, I'm still having difficulties to find any interest in NASCAR. I probably did not grow up in the spirit of watching races on ovals.

I'll have a look at the Daytona 500, though  
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I do have my tickets for the Spanish Grand Prix in Barcelona however. Can't wait to see Schumi race in F1 again.. but I will save that for a different thread

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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 7:53 pm

Quoting N6238P (Reply 6):
ENOUGH WITH DANICA

   Amen

I was down at the Budweiser Shootout last week and admission to the ARCA race was included, and if I had a nickel for every time I heard the word Danica....
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 8:30 pm

Quoting N6238P (Reply 6):
Allie Owens was running in 3rd for the most part for 3/4th of the ARCA race and she barely got a mention. Danica runs conservatively and mid pack for the whole race and you'ld think shes a prophet.

Alli Owens wasn't making her stock car debut - she's been running ARCA for the past two years. She finished 24th and 22nd in points those two years BTW. I follow ARCA fairly regularly (have a friend who competes when money allows) and I've hardly heard of her.

Every time I put on the race, Danica was running in the top ten, at least until she got spun. And then she came back up through the field to finish 6th. Not bad for her first time in a stock car.

Quoting N6238P (Reply 6):
ENOUGH WITH DANICA. She barely was competitive in the IRL, what is going to make any difference here.

Last season, she was 5th in points, meaning she finished ahead of everyone who didn't drive for Penske or Ganassi. Each year in the series, she has finished higher than the year before, in the top 10 in points every year except her rookie season (12th).

I get it - you don't like her, and don't want to hear about her. Guess what, lots of people do - ratings for the ARCA race were up 59% compared to last year, and peak viewership was up 89% over last year's peak. It was the highest ratings ever for an ARCA race, and the second highest rating ever for any program on Speed.

And one more thing - I don't really care for Dale Earnhardt, Jr (and was never a fan of his father) and I get tired when you get wall to wall coverage of him on the race broadcasts too (Fox, I'm looking at you!) even when he's running mid-pack (or worse) every week.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 7):
If anybody's up for the Yahoo Fantasy game, I just set up my roster for this year. If I get a few people that want in, I'll create a group & post the password & details.

Sounds good, count me in!
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:01 pm

During the prerace for the duals today, Tony Stewart made a comment about how he's surprised they're talking to someone that isn't Danica. After that I think it was Jeff Hammond that said it seems that they're bias to Danica but its all about ratings and trying to cater to new fans that are bringing in higher ratings. What the hell is that? I'm sorry that NASCAR played with the rules and cars so much that it drove away the people who've been watching for 20-30 years. But instead of trying to get those fans back they're just going to find new ones?

What direction is this sport trying to go. I think its a travesty the coverage Danica has recieved. She hasn't done anything in NASCAR. In the IRL she drove like an idiot and threw temper tantrums when things didn't go her way. She was like Kyle Busch except for the winning part. She won the last race on some BS fuel strategy the LAST RACE before the "merger happened." In my point of view shes been a disappointment in the IRL. She was suppose to win races and she barely could do that. She finished 5th in points in a series where only 16 drivers even ran all 17 races.

She's a marketing tool not a driver. Patty Moise, Shawna Robinson, Sarah Fischer never got the chance at top equiptment in their journey to the top. She isn't doing anything new. She posed for a magazine and suddenly shes Jesus.

Shes an average driver with average stats. Juan Montoya when he came over won the Indy 500 and Monaco GP and a CART championship and he didn't have the Danica watch when he started driving stock cars. Its sick and pitiful to think that NASCAR needs to resort to this sort of publicity to gain viewers.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 9:53 pm

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
I'm a diehard Jeff Gordon fan who's also loving the resurgence of Mark Martin and pulls for Dale Jr.

Good to hear as am I also.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
. If she runs well again on Saturday, this time against stiffer competition than last Saturday, I'll eat crow.

Sure will.

Quoting N6238P (Reply 6):
She is the David Gilliland of NASCAR.

Unfortunately wrong there... She has JR Motorsports and Hendrick power running her cars and her owners that have open check books.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 10:20 pm

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 12):
Unfortunately wrong there... She has JR Motorsports and Hendrick power running her cars and her owners that have open check books.

I only call her that because she's getting a ride without much experience and will probably have the same results. One ARCA race and you're ready to drive Nationwide at Daytona? Give me a break I don't care if you're Sebastien Loeb, you shouldn't be in that car.

Gilliland had a freak of a car in one Busch race and suddenly he's suppose to be ready for Cup? Scott Speed is the same story except he took at least a little bit of time to ween himself into stock cars.

I'll be supportive of Danica if she can produce results. 6th in ARCA is great but JWT finished 3rd in that race too and he's an awful driver. JR Motorsports and Hendrick power can only take you so far. She had Andretti Green power for a while in the IRL and that only got her one win.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:30 pm

Quoting N6238P (Reply 13):
She had Andretti Green power for a while in the IRL and that only got her one win.

She "has"! She is still signed with them to race in the IRL.

BTW: Open Wheel is more difficult... 1 bump at Indy and your toast. You can bump and bang all day in NASCAR.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:33 am

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RE: Nascar 2010

Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:05 am

Quoting N6238P (Reply 13):
I only call her that because she's getting a ride without much experience and will probably have the same results. One ARCA race and you're ready to drive Nationwide at Daytona? Give me a break I don't care if you're Sebastien Loeb, you shouldn't be in that car.

Replace "her" and insert the name's "Dale Earnhardt Jr." and "Kyle Petty" in the same spot.....
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RE: Nascar 2010

Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:26 am

Quoting N6238P (Reply 11):
But instead of trying to get those fans back they're just going to find new ones?

You have to attract new fans to the sport. If all you do is keep the old ones, eventually they die off, and you are left with nothing.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:34 am

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 14):
She "has"! She is still signed with them to race in the IRL.

I meant to say that she had Andretti Green power for a large portion of her IRL career but not the entire time. What is the purpose of trying to discredit what I say?

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 14):
BTW: Open Wheel is more difficult... 1 bump at Indy and your toast. You can bump and bang all day in NASCAR.

How many tracks does the IRL race at where you can go flat out the entire way around the track. This is going to sound like CART vs. IRL talk here but honestly the IRL is a joke of a series. The cars are underpowered and the races are boring. I don't think its harder to drive the Dallara than a Stock Car. If she went from driving Formula 2 to stock cars I might say yea it's harder to drive. Just because you can't touch wheels doesn't mean it takes any less talent to drive a stock car than open wheeler. The IRL has made American Open Wheel racing the laughing stock of the motorsport world. Why can't we send drivers overseas to race in Formula 1?

Danica did an amazing job when she drove in the Toyota Atlantic Series but her problem was that she was being groomed by Rahal-Letterman racing to eventually come to the IRL. I think her deciding to go try the IRL as opposed to racing in Champ Car is what got me to not believe she was as good as she is claimed to be. Katherine Legge was and probably still is just as good as Danica but she went to Champ Car. She had terrible equiptment and just wasn't anything spectacular behind the wheel. Champ Car got adsorbed and now shes over in Europe driving touring cars. If Danica drove in the GrandAm series or ALMS full time, I would have more respect for her.

If Danica made the same choices as Legge she would be in the same boat. Danica is a smart business person but just an average driver. She has talent at driving but geeze she does not deserve the attention she gets.

I couldn't believe how great the Gatorade Duels were today. They were filled with plenty of great racing. The aero package seems to be working out. There were great battles for the transfer spot. Yes there was the occasional bias spotlight on Michael Waltrip but that's expected of any Fox/Speed Channel broadcast. The ARCA race was almost unwatchable they way Danica was sensationalized. If Danica wants to drive in the Nationwide Series, great, let her. Just don't ruin it for me. This is just like after 2001 when Junior nation got their microphone turned up everytime Little E took the lead in any race. Its a major problem in NASCAR and it annoys me to no end. Danica is just another marketing piece thats going to drive more and more traditional fans away from the sport. If they just let her race and earn her attention, not just give it to her.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:34 am

All the main events today were washed out so far. I hope the truck race goes, its usually really good for an amazing finish. Then again if it gets rained delayed I don't have the conflict with the opening ceremony for the Winter Games.

Nationwide qualifying got rained out so NASCAR to their previous points and winners and other variables system to chose the starting grid. The back of the grid was mostly picked by who drew first for their qualifying run. Something really interesting happened too. Paul Menard did not make the race with this qualifying system and it just so happened that the 5 cars that were head of him in the qualifying draw "withdrew" their entries. The last car to make the race off of qualifying draw, Jeff Fuller withdrew first putting the #52 of Donnie Neuenberger in the show. He then withdrew putting the #96 of Dennis Setzer in the final spot who then withdrew to put Mark Green in who went on to withdraw and put Parker Kligerman in the race. I understand most of these guys are start and parkers but I figured Kligerman would be trying to actually race. He withdrew and now Paul Menard is in the race. This stuff happens all the time, I understand that, but John Menard had to have shelled out over a million dollars to get his kid in the show.

I can't wait to see Parker tear it up in the Nationwide series later this year. I am happy though that at least one less Start and Park car will be out of the race.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sat Feb 13, 2010 6:23 pm

Between the ARCA race (several women in the field, Alli Owens ran well most of the night) and the race today (Chrissy Wallace is also in the field), the more I think about it, the more I realize that The Brand's "groundbreaking" run today is less about gender and more about hype, marketing, a TV darling that half the fans can't stand, and "Go Daddy....Go, Go Daddy..."

If she wants to be "one of the guys", then treat her like one of the guys. ESPN, after today, shut up about her & don't give the AW any more spotlight than any of the "guys" get on a regular basis.

Now let's go racing.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:33 pm

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RE: Nascar 2010

Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:50 pm

The Nationwide race has quickly turned into a demolition derby. Glad to see Jr. alright after his wild ride. I hope Eric McClure gets a good finish. He seems to fit the perfect profile of a start and park effort but every week he's out there racing till the end.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:17 am

Ahhh, hell; NASCAR is just trying to bring back some of the lost enhusiasm to their venue (lost because of the France family, et al pretending to be gods when it comes to the series and dictating ill-conceived notions of what the sport should be), so they are capitalizing on another female driver to boost popularity amongst interested masses. What's wrong with that? It's business.

BTW, I like Danica and think she may become accomplished if she stays with NASCAR as opposed to, say, Janet Guthrie. I think that Janet (I mean to say I think she was/is a "she") was a real interloper/carpethbagger and the sport rightfully dissed her after a while, and that was probably appropos, IMHO. Certainly not the calibre of Donna Mae Mimms when racing with Don Yenko (although that was road racing, not NASCAR). I think Danica Patrick is pretty much for real. I'm not going to bet my retirement checks, but I'm ready to give her a little more slack and think she'll eventually probably do well. She's already done better than any of the armchair racing clowns here on A.Net (myself included).

I hope NASCAR gets their shit together; the recent rules changes are probably a baby-step in a better direction, but I remain doubtful. Regards...jack
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:23 am

Quoting N6238P (Reply 22):
The Nationwide race has quickly turned into a demolition derby

So has the Truck Series race. Awful racing.. hope the Daytona 500 is better tomorrow!
 
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:37 am

I was impressed with Nelson Piquet Jr. until he took out Max Papis. Still besides that a 6th place finish from him but how about a big round of applause to Donnie Neuenberger getting 9th. I know it was a crash fest but good job. Last time he got a top 10 in any of the big three NASCAR series it was 2000 in the same race Geoff Bodine had his horrific wreck.

My money is on McMurray tomorrow to win. If he doesn't it'll be because he got wrecked.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:36 pm

McMurray's a dark horse on the plate tracks...I always have him as a pick at Daytona & Talladega. Mike Wallace is also quite good on the superspeedways when he has a strong car.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:47 am

Quoting N6238P (Reply 25):
My money is on McMurray tomorrow to win. If he doesn't it'll be because he got wrecked.
Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 26):
McMurray's a dark horse on the plate tracks...I always have him as a pick at Daytona & Talladega.

How about that.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:28 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 3):
Take away the restrictor plates damnit.

NASCAR goes to fuel-injected engines next year. I'm sure they have another way to slow the cars down at the superspeedways.

Personally I would like to see them do 210+ MPH laps.

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My money is on McMurray tomorrow to win.

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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:28 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 27):
Quoting N6238P (Reply 25):
My money is on McMurray tomorrow to win. If he doesn't it'll be because he got wrecked.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 26):
McMurray's a dark horse on the plate tracks...I always have him as a pick at Daytona & Talladega.

How about that.

You guys psychic? Got to admit, it was a special finish, after the delays for the pavement problems, with a first time Daytona 500 winner, a guy that lost his ride last year when they had to reduce the team by 1 car (4 car max now per team), ended up with a team that got it right, some luck too. McMurray has been a pretty good runner in the past, frequently in the top-15,and seemed to be genuinely shocked to the point of almost being speechless and very emotional in his win. Gotta like the final charge of Dale Earnhardt, Jr. to end up 2nd. He had made a late 2 tire change that probably gave him the control to do that. Also gotta like Jimmy Johnson and Krybaby Busch out early.
 
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:40 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
after the delays for the pavement problems



Come on, I like racing more than about anybody. Geez 2 delays for pavement patching. Sitting around for hours watching epoxy cure rates right up there with watching track dryers. 6 hours to get the race in, I lost interest after the first pavement patch and came back to watch later to see the second pavement patch.

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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:50 am

I'm just glad NASCAR didn't give into the FOX network and cut things short like they've done in the past. McMurray was running great all speedweeks and I've noticed in past RP races he's really good at setting himself up in the right spots during late race moments. He knows that the front row is not the place to be on a restart.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:58 am

I had a scary feeling NASCAR/Brian France would pull the plug during the second red flag after thinking back to them giving up after 15 minutes last year. Fortunately, they didn't. I'd have called & asked for a refund on my Coke Zero 400 tickets had they pulled that stupidity.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 3:27 am

One thing that upset sets me is next weekend we're racing at Fontana. We go from one of the mos exciting weeks of racing to one of the worst. Fontana is an awful track and once again the Danica Patrick show will make things even more unbearable.

Anyone who watched the Nationwide race who is a NASCAR fan should know that is NOT how television coverage should be.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:57 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
Got to admit, it was a special finish

Intense all the way to the end, and I think that's a result of the new rules with the restrictor plate and the new green, white, checker rule. I'm loving these rules already

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
after the delays for the pavement problems

Happy for that too. It allowed me to finish my shift at work and actually see some of the race  
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 29):
Also gotta like Jimmy Johnson and Krybaby Busch out early

Can't complain about that   
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:19 am

Quoting N6238P (Reply 33):
We go from one of the mos exciting weeks of racing to one of the worst. Fontana is an awful track and once again the Danica Patrick show will make things even more unbearable.

Anyone who watched the Nationwide race who is a NASCAR fan should know that is NOT how television coverage should be.

With the exceptions of The Glen, Montreal, the new race at Road America, Talladega, Daytona, Bristol & non-companion races, I don't even watch the Nationwide Series anymore. If it were the way it was, being a mix of young drivers, veterans that either washed out or never made "the show" & a couple Cup guys running a couple races a year, I'd love it. If I want to see Cup guys stink up the show, I'll do it on Sunday. It's getting better with RCR putting Townley and Roush putting Braun & Stenhouse in full-time rides this season (taking seats AWAY from Cup regulars), but still isn't that appealing.

Danicamania just makes it worse. As for the TV coverage, did you see ESPN in 2005 with the IRL? Awful.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:07 pm

I thought NASCAR was getting rid of the wings and returning to spoilers, or does this happen later in the season? Curious...jack
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:16 pm

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 36):
I thought NASCAR was getting rid of the wings and returning to spoilers, or does this happen later in the season?

According to the racing media, you should see the spoilers by the time they race at Texas.
 
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RE: Nascar 2010

Mon Feb 15, 2010 10:47 pm

I'm really excited about the Nationwide guys racing at Road America. I've found that Nationwide road course races have the perfect mix of horrible road racers and road race experts to keep things interesting throughout the entire race. It also seems to separate drivers whose cars are good because of their talent and those who are only good because of their crew. Marcos Ambrose is amazing at what he does. He reminds me a lot of what Robby Gordon did in the early 2000's.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:32 am

Bohica; thanks; I did what some curious would do and accessed the NASCAR site but since it remains one of the poorest user-freindly venues of any professional websites, I got bored after unsuccessfully trying to find out. I had first thought that maybe the wings might be for Superspeedways and using the spoilers on shorter tracks for a while whilst transitioning back to rear deck spoilers on all races throughout the latter part of the season...guess I'm wrong again, but I've been out of the sport actively for going on the fourth season.

N6238P; thanks, too. I have always opined that the (now) Nationwide series should be for up-and-coming drivers only. I don't think the Cup drivers should even be in that racing venue. At all.

I suggest the Nationwide Series should be a "training ground" or "experience ground" for the lack of better terms, to qualify a teenage or very young rookie in drivers' abilities before they to go "big time". An inexperienced driver, irrespective of his/her acknowledged or perceived driving abilities is still much less mentally/physically prepared in Cup environment. Aldditonally the back-up (team) abilities of even a superior financed operation really doesn't need to compete head-to-head with Cup-seasoned veterans at this babystep stage of career, either. Get at least a Nationwide season under your belt(s) before going Cup. I note, too. that different venue drivers entering NASCAR (ie: Indy, Grand Prix, etc), have most often had at least this background for preparedness.

Sort of like "what's your hours? 777 in a Cessna 172, OK, drive this triple 7 over to Europe...the numbers sort of match." I just don't get it. Best regards...jack
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RE: Nascar 2010

Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:40 am

Quoting N6238P (Reply 38):
Marcos Ambrose is amazing at what he does.

As much as he came across as a bit arrogant (and drove a Ford!), he wasn't two time ATCC champion for nothing. And a V8 Supercar is probably the closest road racing vehicle to NASCAR worldwide (ie. large sedan style with V8 engine).

I'm starting to get into oval racing a little, but road racing in all its forms (especially rallying) just seems like real driving to me.

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RE: Nascar 2010

Tue Feb 16, 2010 5:18 am

I've been a part of many motorsport video online communities since 2004 and I remember all my V8 fan friends telling me about how Ambrose is going to turn some heads in NASCAR when he gets here. I sort of expected to see him turn into a modern day Dick Johnson being only a novelty in the truck series or Nationwide. He won my admiration though and I always hope to see him do well in any race. I kind of noticed a bit of what people didn't like about him in the Supercars when he ran on a road course. He's Jekyll and Hyde when he goes from an oval to somewhere like Watkins Glen.

As for the Nationwide series and well what used to be called Buschwackers, I don't mind Cup drivers going over to race in a few select races. I understand that some people can't afford to watch the Cup race live so they go to the Saturday show instead. Sponsors love it and TV ratings show it too. I think the problem is Cup drivers trying to drive full time in both series an just demolishing the field in every race. If NASCAR wanted to get things right, they would limit the amount of races Cup regulars can run. Mark Martin I think is still the winning-est driver in Nationwide history and he never ran more than 15 races in a season except for one year (1987). Dale Earnhardt Sr. never ran more than 14 in a season and this was the trend pretty much for all time until the 2000's. I really think the turn in the tide came when the new TV deals started and FOX and NBC led NASCAR into what has become the NA$CAR we know today. The examples some people (not necessarily here) use to say this was always going on I think tend to take things out of context. There never used to be drivers trying to win two championships in the same year. Harvick, Busch, Edwards, Bowyer all need tone down their presence in the Nationwide series. If they want to run 10-12 races throughout the year, fine, I'll be ok with this.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:44 am

The Busch/Nationwide Series used to be fun to watch & the presence of a few Cup guys a few times a year was alright. Like I said in the earlier post, you had a mix of three "groups" of drivers.
-The young guns- Dale Jr., Matt Kenseth, Tony Stewart pre-Cup in the 90s, Brian Vickers, Bobby Hamilton, Jr., Scott Wimmer, Scott Riggs, Martin Truex, Jr. throughout the 2000s.
-The guys who washed out or never made it in Cup, but ran well in Busch- Mike McLaughlin, David Green, Jason Keller, Randy LaJoie.
-Buschwackers who ran a few races a year- Mark Martin, Jeff Burton were most guilty. (I didn't mind when guys like Jimmy Spencer, Michael Waltrip, Todd Bodine, or Joe Nemechek won because they, at least at that point, weren't doing well on the Cup side).

2005 seemed to be where the series shifted from what it was to the CRAP it is today. That's when 26 guys started to run both races each weekend & it got to where "regulars" would only win 1-2 races a year. It became a joke & nothing more than Cup Lite, a playground where Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch could go racing with only "Aw, shucks" if they wrecked. There have also been several instances where car owners have fired Nationwide regulars to "keep up with the Joneses" & put Cup guys in the cars. These usually involve James Finch, who thought Mike Bliss wasn't doing well enough despite being 6th in points with a win and 10 Top 10s in 16 races last year before Ryan Newman got his ride.

It's one thing to have cameo appearances, but it's another to have 6 Cup guys in the top 10 in Busch points at the end of the year. And when "development drivers" were the fad, how do you expect Todd Kleuver, Danny O'Quinn, Brad Coleman, or Aric Almirola to get seat time when Matt Kenseth, Greg Biffle & Denny Hamlin get the seats?

Again, referring to my earlier post, at least you've got the following going on this year:
-Penske- Justin Allgaier, full time #12
-RCR- John Wes Townley, full time #21
-Roush- Ricky Stenhouse, Jr. full time #6 & Colin Braun, full time #16
-JR Motorsports- Kelly Bires, full time #88, except when he gets screwed by Dale Jr and/or The Brand.
-Phoenix Racing- James Buescher (that is, until James Finch gets tired of him and puts a Cup guy in his place, as is normal)
All these are seats being taken away from Cup guys & given to rookies. The way it should be. I hope this will be the trend as time goes on.

What's scary is to think about how close we came to having the Truck Series screwed up. Had Mark Martin retired after '05 or '06 and gone full-time CWTS racing, I was afraid the flood gates would open to Cup guys there as well. Fortunately (unfortunately?), the only thing we've seen is Kyle Busch cause one wreck a race there.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 36):
I thought NASCAR was getting rid of the wings and returning to spoilers, or does this happen later in the season? Curious...jack

There are now rumblings that the wings will be kept for Daytona and Talladega, with the spoilers coming back everywhere else.

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RE: Nascar 2010

Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:03 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 42):
It became a joke & nothing more than Cup Lite, a playground where Kevin Harvick and Kyle Busch could go racing with only "Aw, shucks" if they wrecked. There have also been several instances where car owners have fired Nationwide regulars to "keep up with the Joneses" & put Cup guys in the cars. These usually involve James Finch, who thought Mike Bliss wasn't doing well enough despite being 6th in points with a win and 10 Top 10s in 16 races last year before Ryan Newman got his ride.

I don't like the Nationwide teams kicking a driver out of a seat for a Cup guy either. But, if the cup guys want to make their own race teams, I'm all for that. If they want to spend their money to put a quality team on the track for the Saturday races, so be it. The big teams (RCR, Roush, Penske, etc...) should use their Nationwide cars as developmental cars, but don't make the rules so that a Cup guy can't go out and run his own race team. For instance, KHI with the 33 car, in Nationwide. Lots of Cup regulars run that car. I'd rather see the Cup guys take turns running a car like that, than watching Kyle Busch running the same car every weekend.


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RE: Nascar 2010

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:04 am

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 42):
There are now rumblings that the wings will be kept for Daytona and Talladega, with the spoilers coming back everywhere else.

I hope not.  


Here is my take on cup drivers in Nationwide and trucks:
Other than Daytona, all full time cup drivers should be banned from participating in a any other race (Nationwide, trucks) which is run on the same track as a cup race on the same weekend. This would give the up-and-coming drivers in Nationwide and trucks an opportunity to prove themselves and keep the cup drivers from having any "track experience" over the drivers who drive in the cup race only.
 
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RE: Nascar 2010

Wed Feb 17, 2010 4:03 pm

I think there should just be a limit on the amount of races Cup guys run in Nationwide. Allow each driver 8 appearances or something. I think the biggest problem NASCAR has is being able to fill a 43 car field for Nationwide if cup regulars don't regularly enter the races. Car counts I think are one of the main reasons why NASCAR hasn't done much to change how the Nationwide series runs. To the casual fan, Nationwide races are great, they really don't know why we have a problem with it. This is what gets NASCAR their money and unless that starts going away, it's going to stay like that.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:33 pm

The Nationwide Race is about to begin. Danica Patrick was 9mph slower than the pole speed qualifying 36th and she's still getting all the coverage.

The system works!
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:50 am

I'll warch a little, but I'm tired tonight.

Question; why does the "Nationwide Series" run the last year's "shovel-nose" front body work while "Cup" goes back to
the "Smooth-nose".?

I guess the fins and wings are for Daytona and Talladega only (via an A.Netter) and the spoilers are back in for the rest of the Cup series?

Again, the NASCAR website is as about as piss-poor as the racing series is and I'm getting somewhat bored and frustrated. Bring back "run whatcha brung" (safety considerations being met, of course) and go racing. Are the European racing formats in stock-type cars as "pussy" as the USA (NASCAR)? Just wondering...jack
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RE: Nascar 2010

Sun Feb 21, 2010 1:03 am

The problem with NASCAR is they think too much with their wallet. They want to appeal to the casual fan and the rest of us are left with this crappy p.o.s. shell of a series. The wings will be on the cup cars for a few more weeks and then they will go away. The wing I guarantee was an attempt at NASCAR to branch out to the Fast and the Furious crowd. IIRC the first COT tomorrow examples had spoilers. I'm counting down the days NASCAR rids it self of the rear wing.
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RE: Nascar 2010

Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:09 pm

The Brand stormed back to her hauler after the Nationwide race and got annoyed with the microphones in her face when she was interviewed. Surprise, surprise.

Quoting N6238P (Reply 48):
The problem with NASCAR is they think too much with their wallet.

They also, under the Brian France administration, seem to do everything they can to fill that wallet to the max. This includes selling out the Southern 500 for a "new Labor Day tradition" in California, which, despite Brian France thinking everyone in the Pacific Time Zone would become a NASCAR fan, was a failure. They've hoped that by doing things to alienate some of the "hardcore" fans in exchange for becoming more national and international, that they'd become more popular and "trendy", which also hasn't worked out.

They're only now breaking from "My Way" to listen to the teams, fans, and drivers again.

Quoting cptkrell (Reply 47):
Question; why does the "Nationwide Series" run the last year's "shovel-nose" front body work while "Cup" goes back to
the "Smooth-nose".?

I guess the fins and wings are for Daytona and Talladega only (via an A.Netter) and the spoilers are back in for the rest of the Cup series?

Again, the NASCAR website is as about as piss-poor as the racing series is and I'm getting somewhat bored and frustrated. Bring back "run whatcha brung" (safety considerations being met, of course) and go racing. Are the European racing formats in stock-type cars as "pussy" as the USA (NASCAR)? Just wondering...jack

The Nationwide COT will have a similar nose to the Cup car, only with that car, they skipped the wing and went straight to a spoiler.

The wing will now NOT be used at Daytona and 'Dega as rumored: http://jayski.com/cupnews.htm#news-wing
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