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Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:49 am



The Fiat 500 will be sold in the United States by the end of this year, as a 2011 model. This is extremely good news for Chrysler, since there were questions as to whether the 500 would be able to meet U.S. crash safety standards. Chrysler top executive Ralph Gilles also said at a press conference in Chicago today that the (also critically important) all-new 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee will go on sale by summer at Chrylser-Jeep dealerships.



Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/11/g...on-sale-in-u-s-by-the-end-of-2010/

Now motorheads, will the Fiat 500 be a strong competitor to the upcoming Ford Fiesta, Chevy Cruze, and the newest version of the VW Golf? It will certainly kick the Chevy Aveo and the Hyundai Accent to the curb, IMHO.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:02 am

I personally don't expect it to be succesful. The Fiat 500 has the same appeal for many Europeans as the Beetle. However, I don't think this appeal is present in America. And as a competitor to Cruze and Golf? I don't think they compete at all, it's a much smaller car.
They're about to release it in Canada at the same time. I'd hate to see the insurance rates on this thing in Ontario.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:06 am

I am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:11 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):
I am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.

Along the lines of the much more expensive Mini Cooper - perhaps the Fiat does have a chance in the US marketplace.....
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:17 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):
I am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.

True.
This will be popular in certain crowds in places like New York city and San Francisco but that's about it.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:51 am

The Fiat is kinda cool. I'm a convert to the small car movement. Just drove to Vegas in the MINI. It was a tad too mini, but not too bad. I like the big pano roof.

That new GC is freakin hot though.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:11 am

It looks to be a good start for Fiat - depending on the price.

But they have a lot more work to do. What do they produce at home that is one step up from the 500?
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:28 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

Now motorheads, will the Fiat 500 be a strong competitor to the upcoming Ford Fiesta, Chevy Cruze, and the newest version of the VW Golf?

I honestly don't think so. If the build quality and the reliability are kept in check it might be a somewhat successful niche offering as the MINI but I don't see it going head to head with the Cruze or the Golf (these are slightly bigger C segment cars) or the Fiesta (a mainstream player from an established brand). The 500 is closer in size to the Clio, 207, Aveo, C3, Fiesta, Jazz and Polo. Ultimately, though, even in small car friendly Europe it is seen as more of a boutique car than a mainstream player (along the lines of the aforementioned MINI and the 500's cousin, the Alfa Romeo MiTo). The 500 has not really received that many good reviews as a driver's car from the European press either so its appeal will be far more limited than that of the MINI (which is bought by both secretaries and Porsche drivers alike).

I welcome any news of selling more small cars in the US in place of the bloated saloons and Crossover/SUVs we currently see but the car has to offer something special in order to convince folks to downsize. The 500 does have great looks and interesting equipment options but the Fiat/Chrysler reliability is still a BIG question mark as is the overall ownership experience.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:50 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
This will be popular in certain crowds in places like New York city and San Francisco but that's about it

It's a perfect car for NYC - short trips, 8mph avg traffic, and easy to park!
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:00 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Chrysler top executive Ralph Gilles

Wow, I haven;t seen Ralph since a few years before he first introed the 300. Now he's the CEO?


Perhaps the Fiat may compete with Honda's Fit and Ford's Fusion.

I like the Jeep GC up there. I have never had an interest in Jeep before under another distant cousin drove in from Canada last week and I heard his GC Diesel pull into the driveway. Is the Diesel version of the Jeep commonly sold in the US or is it special order?

Whatever happens, I wish Ralph the best in this torturous market!
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:20 am

This thing is in a class of its own, maybe you could put the Mini in there but that's about it.

And mentioning it in the same breath as a Golf? I'm sorry, no, just no.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
It will certainly kick the Chevy Aveo and the Hyundai Accent to the curb, IMHO.

That's an easy thing to do for these. I've pushed out turds that are better held together than these two motoring atrocities.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:31 am

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 9):
Ford's Fusion.

Fusion? That must be a typo...

This is a Fusion:
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:50 am

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Now motorheads, will the Fiat 500 be a strong competitor to the upcoming Ford Fiesta, Chevy Cruze, and the newest version of the VW Golf?

It's two classes of car smaller than the golf, and one smaller than the Fiesta. In Europe Ford sells the Ka which is based on the 500, it's even built in a Fiat factory in Poland.

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):
am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.

How about the Abath 500, is it red meat enought for you.

http://drivingspirit.com/storage/abarth/2009-abarth-500-esseesse/abarth-500-esseesse-01.jpg
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:16 am

Quoting ken777 (Reply 6):
What do they produce at home that is one step up from the 500?

I'm wondering the same thing.

Quoting charles79 (Reply 7):
The 500 does have great looks and interesting equipment options but the Fiat/Chrysler reliability is still a BIG question mark as is the overall ownership experience.

Well...
Chrysler's reliability has been extremely inconsistent as far back as I can remember, usually because of indifferent to downright shoddy execution of fairly good engineering designs and waaaay too much cost-cutting in material specifications. Maybe Fiat can help Chrysler get their act together in a way that Daimler-Benz never did.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
It will certainly kick the Chevy Aveo and the Hyundai Accent to the curb, IMHO.

That's an easy thing to do for these. I've pushed out turds that are better held together than these two motoring atrocities.

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Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:27 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 13):
I'm wondering the same thing.

Either the Panda or Punto.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:08 am

Quoting TSS (Reply 13):

Aw, don't hold back FLY2HMO; Tell us how you really feel.

Well I just went to the bathroom yet again and I was just thinking



Wait, what were we talking about?

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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:14 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):
I am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
How about the Abath 500, is it red meat enought for you.


In that case, maybe you should check out Jeremy Clarkson's review of the FIAT 500 Abarth SS.

With 160hp, it has certainly caught my eye... as has the Ford Fiesta.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:29 am

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 9):
Wow, I haven;t seen Ralph since a few years before he first introed the 300. Now he's the CEO?

Mr. Gilles is indeed the CEO - of the Dodge brand.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:32 am

I think you yanks should embrace this little beauty, its economical easy to park and goes like the clappers. What more do you want in a car.

We all need to be driving smaller cars these days with the cost of fuel and other registration charges, it's crazy to be driving round in some massive mega truck.

BTW that new Jeep is so ugly, when are you guys going to design something that's in good taste ?   
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:41 am

Well no doubt it will bring back all sorts of "Fix It Again Tony" comments.

Crysler is a dying brand. About the only thing holding it together is it's truck line, because of the Cumins engine. But that has lost a lot of ground over the decade to the Powerstroke engine put in Fords.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:58 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Crysler is a dying brand.

Your not wrong there.

They have to be the ugliest cars ever built, what is it with those front grills, are they trying to catch something ???
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:02 am

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 9):
Perhaps the Fiat may compete with Honda's Fit and Ford's Fusion.

Remember that in Europe Ford used to have a Fusion model that is different from the accolade-earning North American Ford Fusion midsize Sedan. The European Ford Fusion was a derivative of last generation's Fiesta... it was kind of a mini-crossover. I remember I read it was quite mediocre.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:31 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
They have to be the ugliest cars ever built, what is it with those front grills, are they trying to catch something ???
Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Crysler is a dying brand. About the only thing holding it together is it's truck line, because of the Cumins engine. But that has lost a lot of ground over the decade to the Powerstroke engine put in Fords.

Chrysler has some of the best looking vehicles on the market. That's what's keeping them together. They have had problems with reliability in the past and some of their smaller cars aren't that great. There 300C, Charger and Challenger are some beautiful machines!   
Very fast & reliable too.
Their trucks aren't as popular as they used to be. The 1994-2001 Rams were fantastic.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:43 am

Man that jeep is so ugly. When are they going to learn to put round wheel wells. How can you have round wheels and square wheel wells? WTF!!!

Totally kills the car.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:07 pm

I hope that when the Fiat 500 arrives they include a dual-clutch transmission (DCT) so it can switch between manual and automatic shifts. Maybe Fiat can use the new dry-clutch Powershift DCT Ford will use on the new Fiesta?
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:54 pm

Quoting mirrodie (Reply 9):
Is the Diesel version of the Jeep commonly sold in the US or is it special order?

The GC 3.0CRD was sold in the USA for 2.5 years. 2007 VINed as 2008 models, 2008 and 2009.

Im not a fan of the rear of the new GC, and the front doesnt have an E-Locker....its been watered down for parking lots.

Quoting flanker (Reply 23):
When are they going to learn to put round wheel wells. How can you have round wheels and square wheel wells? WTF!!!

Good. Round wheel wells suck and the GC has always had that. Love it.

An interesting train that I caught in Southern Poland this summer from the Fiat 500/Panda factory:

 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:20 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):
I am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.

Absolutely true. Abarth may be a different story.

For the record, here are other cars that result in automatic revocation of man status.
1. Mazda Miata
2. VW New Beetle
3. Mini Convertible
4. Suzuki Samurai
5. Any non-AMG Mercedes SLK
6. Any minivan
7. VW Eos
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:22 pm

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Now motorheads, will the Fiat 500 be a strong competitor to the upcoming Ford Fiesta, Chevy Cruze, and the newest version of the VW Golf?

IMHO, the Fiat 500 would more likely compete w/the Smartfortwo.   

Quoting comorin (Reply 2):
I am afraid no real, red meat-eating man's man will want to be seen in such a cute car. This is strictly chick/hipster stuff.

Unless it's being used as a golf cart. 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:42 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
For the record, here are other cars that result in automatic revocation of man status.
1. Mazda Miata
2. VW New Beetle
3. Mini Convertible
4. Suzuki Samurai
5. Any non-AMG Mercedes SLK
6. Any minivan
7. VW Eos
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 27):
Unless it's being used as a golf cart.

Ha ha!

Other cars that should be in BMI727's Fem-Car list:

1. Mercedes CLK
2. Toyota Corolla
3. Hummer H2
4. Chevy Camaro/Pontiac Firebird
5. Lexii less than 400.

So what do you do if you are a guy and (gulp!) already own one of the above cars? Fear not! No need for testosterone shots!! Just add a spoiler and you're on your way.  
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:52 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
1. Mercedes CLK

AMG gets a pass. Bonus man points for driving the DTM or Black Edition.

Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
3. Hummer H2

That is okay if and only if it has dirt on it.

I also feel compelled to add V6 Mustangs to the list, especially convertibles. Even renting them is not allowed. Time will tell, but I suspect that V6 Camaros and Challengers will be added to the list as well.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 4:55 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):
Good. Round wheel wells suck and the GC has always had that. Love it.

I love GC's too. The aesthetics of it kills me though!
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:08 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 29):

What should be on your list at the first place: Any car with less than 3 pedals   
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:38 pm

This is the Ford Fusion's European version:

http://www.allaguida.it/img/_ford-fusion-01cbig.jpg

With regard to FIAT's models bigger than the 500, here you can see them: http://www.quattroruote.it/listino/listamodelli.cfm?mar=8
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:49 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
For the record, here are other cars that result in automatic revocation of man status.
1. Mazda Miata
2. VW New Beetle
3. Mini Convertible
4. Suzuki Samurai
5. Any non-AMG Mercedes SLK
6. Any minivan
7. VW Eos

I'd take off the Miata. My father drove a TR-3 and the only affordable way I could do the same is with a Miata. Probably a used one with the medical bills i'l still paying off.

Minivans are also the odd one if you have kids - or grandkids in our case.

While younger folks can look at more expensive cars (and other toys) us older ones need to come to grips with the ravages of inflation in that market. My first car (a '68 BMW 2002) was $3,200 retail.

I probably wouldn't consider the Fiat 500, but would look at something a little bigger. At my age getting in and out of the car is an important design feature. Which eliminates the Miata, I guess.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:03 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
For the record, here are other cars that result in automatic revocation of man status.
1. Mazda Miata
2. VW New Beetle
3. Mini Convertible
4. Suzuki Samurai
5. Any non-AMG Mercedes SLK
6. Any minivan
7. VW Eos

Replace the Samuri (Especially if has been modified with large tires and a winch) and the Miata.

Sub-in the VW Rabbit/Golf convertables, and the PT Cruiser.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Chrysler has some of the best looking vehicles on the market. That's what's keeping them together. They have had problems with reliability in the past and some of their smaller cars aren't that great. There 300C, Charger and Challenger are some beautiful machines

I'll agree with you on the two retruo machines, the Charger and Challanger but that is only physical. Mechanically being Dodges there will no doubt be reliablity issues.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
Their trucks aren't as popular as they used to be. The 1994-2001 Rams were fantastic

That wasn't a bad styling package either, but again it was the use of the Cumins Diesel that made the truck. And again it has been my experience that Dodge trucks tend to degrade faster then other brands.

That being said they do reach a point of crappiness that onece there the seem to go in suspended animation.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:47 pm

Quoting ken777 (Reply 33):
the only affordable way I could do the same is with a Miata.

I will grant a special exception to Miatas that have a roll cage.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
Sub-in the VW Rabbit/Golf convertables

Good call, but I'll allow the R32.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
the PT Cruiser.

Nobody, male or female, should drive a PT Cruiser. Also, I will add Chrysler LeBaron and Sebring convertibles to the list as well.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:57 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
Sub-in the VW Rabbit/Golf convertables

Good call, but I'll allow the R32.

Can't do it, they where a very popular chick car in the late 1980's.

Too bad they never sold the VW Country in the US.
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:04 pm

I think 500 is quite beautiful and I also know it's very reliable.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:08 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 29):

Assuming that the age bracket in your profile is true and current. Just wait a few years when you're either living on your own (and have various living expenses to deal with) and/or get married and raise children. Once the above happens; you may very well be thinking twice about some your Fem-car listings.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
Any minivan

Granted Ford & GM bailed out of this market a few years ago (Chrysler & Dodge are the only domestic makes that still offer a minivan); but a minivan can be an affordable means of hauling passengers and/or cargo but without the bulk or fuel consumption of a large(r) SUV. The newer CUVs seem to be giving the minivan market more of a squeeze.

Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
3. Hummer H2

IMHO, that would qualify more for the Idiot SUV. Same goes for the H3.

Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
4. Chevy Camaro/Pontiac Firebird

Don't tell that to Burt Reynolds, James Garner and David Hasselhoff. IMHO, the only chick F-body would be the Berlinetta model of the Camaro of the late 70s/early-to-mid 80s; which was indeed referred to as the Female Camaro.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 29):
I also feel compelled to add V6 Mustangs to the list, especially convertibles. Even renting them is not allowed. Time will tell, but I suspect that V6 Camaros and Challengers will be added to the list as well.

   Time for a reality check.

Have you actually seen the sticker prices of the various models AND how they vary based on the engine type?

A V6 Challenger SE starts at $23,460, the 5.7 V8 R/T model starts at $31,585 and the fire-breathing SRT-8 model (w/the 6.1 HEMI) starts at $43,655. Note: prices do NOT included taxes and INSURANCE!

The V6 Camaro starts at $22,680 and the top V8 model (the 2SS) starts at $34,595; the 'entry-level' V8 model (the 1SS) starts at $30,945.

The V6 Mustang fastback starts at $21,395 (the V6 ragtop starts at $26,395). The V8 Mustang GT fastback starts at $31,395 (the ragtop GT starts at $33,395). The GT500 (w/the 5.4L V8) fastback starts at $46,725 and the ragtop starts at $51,725.

Additionally, if the V6 versions of those cars weren't made; the price of the V8 models would be more expensive than they are right now.

So the reasoning WHY one would buy a V6 model of one of the above-vehicles ISN'T because they're not MAN enough; it's because of their ECONOMIC situation (i.e. WALLETS). One GT500 ragtop could buy TWO V6 Mustang ragtops.

Side note: The only V6 Mustang that was/is geared for a female audience was/is the Susan G. Kormen Komen package; basically a V6 Pony package w/some pink stripes and some extra do-dads. I say was/is because I know that package was available w/the 2009 model but I'm not sure if the SGK package carried over for 2010.

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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:39 pm

Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
1. Mercedes CLK
2. Toyota Corolla
3. Hummer H2
4. Chevy Camaro/Pontiac Firebird
5. Lexii less than 400.

How is a F-Body a womans car? and the new Camaro? And H2 is not a womans car. It might be stupid and unpractical but definately doesnt deserve to be in the same category.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 38):
Susan G. Kormen package;

Isnt it Komen? BTW, I was talking about the 4.6L 300hp in the Marauder not the Victoria but im too lazy to go in that thread and correct myself haha.

+ I add to my further list:

-Lexus SC430
-Toyota Solara
-Pontiac Sunfire
-Mitsubishi Eclipse
-RAV4 and CRV
-Toyota Yaris
 
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:54 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
How is a F-Body a womans car?

Maybe comorin's only seen the Camaro Berlinetta model.

If comorin's age profile is true and current; maybe he's having a senior moment w/his listings. 
Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
Isnt it Komen?

   Typo in my previous post has since been fixed.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
BTW, I was talking about the 4.6L 300hp in the Marauder not the Victoria but im too lazy to go in that thread and correct myself haha.

   Fair enough.
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:54 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 29):
Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
3. Hummer H2

That is okay if and only if it has dirt on it.
Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
And H2 is not a womans car. It might be stupid and unpractical but definately doesnt deserve to be in the same category.

I have to agree with Comorin and BMI727 on this. The H2 is popular with the spoiled suburban gals. However, it could be a man's vehicle if it has dirt on it which is almost never.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 29):
I also feel compelled to add V6 Mustangs to the list, especially convertibles. Even renting them is not allowed. Time will tell, but I suspect that V6 Camaros and Challengers will be added to the list as well.

...and there is nothing wrong with that. That is what the cool chicks drive. There are so many other lame cars that fall in to the 'chick' category. Notably the BMW 3-series. Total spoiled sorority bimbo car!   
Then of course there are the VWs and other small cars.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):
I will add Chrysler LeBaron and Sebring convertibles to the list as well.

Hey I used to own a 1987 LeBaron convertible.
One of the most sexiest cars ever made!  
That car was a total chick magnet!   
I had to fight the girls off of me when I drove around town in that car.
I was getting laid all the time when I had that Lebaron.
It was red and had charcoal Corinthian leather seats, digital dash and the car would talk to you.
The Sebring on the other hand is a piece of crap.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 38):
A V6 Challenger SE starts at $23,460, the 5.7 V8 R/T model starts at $31,585 and the fire-breathing SRT-8 model (w/the 6.1 HEMI) starts at $43,655. Note: prices do NOT included taxes and INSURANCE!

The V6 Camaro starts at $22,680 and the top V8 model (the 2SS) starts at $34,595; the 'entry-level' V8 model (the 1SS) starts at $30,945.

The V6 Mustang fastback starts at $21,395 (the V6 ragtop starts at $26,395). The V8 Mustang GT fastback starts at $31,395 (the ragtop GT starts at $33,395). The GT500 (w/the 5.4L V8) fastback starts at $46,725 and the ragtop starts at $51,725.

Additionally, if the V6 versions of those cars weren't made; the price of the V8 models would be more expensive than they are right now.

So the reasoning WHY one would buy a V6 model of one of the above-vehicles ISN'T because they're not MAN enough; it's because of their ECONOMIC situation (i.e. WALLETS). One GT500 ragtop could buy TWO V6 Mustang ragtops.

Thanks for bringing FACTS to the discussion to clear things up.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 38):
Side note: The only V6 Mustang that was/is geared for a female audience was/is the Susan G. Kormen package; basically a V6 Pony package w/some pink stripes and some extra do-dads.

What about the 1974-1978 Mustang II?
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 25):

The GC 3.0CRD was sold in the USA for 2.5 years. 2007 VINed as 2008 models, 2008 and 2009.

The 2011 Jeep Cherokee is rumored to have a Diesel option (A 3 liter turbo Diesel sourced from M-B.), but it looks like it may not be available in the US, but may be sold in Canada.

http://www.allpar.com/trucks/jeep/2011-cherokee.html

The interesting rumor is that there may be a Fiat version based on it; the 2012 Dodge Durango is also going to be derived from the 2011 GC.

http://www.allpar.com/SUVs/dodge/durango-2012.html

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Well no doubt it will bring back all sorts of "Fix It Again Tony" comments.

FIAT's reputation is a lot better these days than when they last sold vehicles in the US. Unfortunately, that "Fix It Again Tony" reputation is going to be hard to shake.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 35):
Also, I will add Chrysler LeBaron and Sebring convertibles to the list as well.

Superfly may have something to say about the LeBaron convertible part.........
 
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:01 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):

I have to agree with Comorin and BMI727 on this. The H2 is popular with the spoiled suburban gals. However, it could be a man's vehicle if it has dirt on it which is almost never.

I wouldnt say that. I am best friends with a friend (his dad owns Cielos Del Peru/Centurion Cargo) who drove a first year (03) H2 and we always went offroading in Florida. It was a monster in the sand and winched me out several times in the swamp. A pic of it:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc59/PA86/h2big.jpg

Several other guys drove H3s and they werent of the mall kind either.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc59/PA86/IMG_3841.jpg

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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:05 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 42):
Superfly may have something to say about the LeBaron convertible part.........

Read post #41.  
Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 43):
I wouldnt say that. I am best friends with a friend (his dad owns Cielos Del Peru/Centurion Cargo) who drove a first year (03) H2 and we always went offroading in Florida. It was a monster in the sand and winched me out several times in the swamp. A pic of it:

Cool. He is an exception to the rule.
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:06 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 42):

The 2011 Jeep Cherokee is rumored to have a Diesel option (A 3 liter turbo Diesel sourced from M-B.), but it looks like it may not be available in the US, but may be sold in Canada.

The diesel was already dropped for the 2010 model year as it was intended to test the market, which it did and it wasnt the greatest hit in the world. Like the 05-06 Liberty CRD in the USA which actually had decent sales.

2011 will only have a 3.6L Phoenix V6 and a Hemi VCT. Looking forward to the new Hemi 6.4L SRT pumping out 500hp+ in later model years.
 
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:07 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 38):
Have you actually seen the sticker prices of the various models AND how they vary based on the engine type?

I understand that, but if you are going to buy a car like that you can't just go halfway. If you want a Mustang, don't go with the rental spec.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
That car was a total chick magnet!

Were they wearing legwarmers?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
I had to fight the girls off of me when I drove around town in that car

You may have been driving in the wrong part of town.   

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
The Sebring on the other hand is a piece of crap.

They are far worse than the LeBaron.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Notably the BMW 3-series. Total spoiled sorority bimbo car!

Only the M3 coupe is allowed. Driving a convertible results in complete loss of man points.
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:12 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
1. Mazda Miata

This vehicle is well-respected by autocrossers everywhere. That's a demographic that is almost entirely XY.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 26):
6. Any minivan


The Renault Espace (this is the Espace F1) actually has its roots in Chrysler mini-van designs.

Quoting comorin (Reply 28):
5. Lexii less than 400.

Lexus IS drivers would disagree with you on this.
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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:15 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
What about the 1974-1978 Mustang II?

True, to some degree; especially when one saw either Kate Jackson, Jacklyn Smith, Farrah Fawcett-Majors and/or Cheryl Ladd driving one every weeknight on ABC for a few years. 

Now looking back, the only Mustang IIs I've seen owned by guys are either at car shows or ones that needed a cheap set of wheels. Back in my college days (mid-to-late 80s); one guy did have a blue '78 Mustang II that had the 302 V8.

But, to be fair, the Mustang II was marketed towards both genders (usually young people) when it was out; whereas the 2009 (2010(?)) SGK pacakge was/is clearly targeting a female-only clientelle.

Side note: There is a white notchback Mustang II (looks like a base model) parked at house nearby. There's no For Sale sign on it, it has a current registration; but it appears to parked in the exact same postion everytime I've walked by it. Not sure who owns it.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 46):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 38):
Have you actually seen the sticker prices of the various models AND how they vary based on the engine type?

I understand that, but if you are going to buy a car like that you can't just go halfway. If you want a Mustang, don't go with the rental spec.

(in Clint Eastwood voice): Listen Punk! Who are you to tell me what I should drive in order to be a man?   

Seriously, your mindset on this is almost as anal as the Enviro Nazis or, in light of the recent Superbowl Audi ad., the Green Police.

All I can say, just wait a few years when you're older and have to pay your own way; you'll know EXACTLY what I'm presently talking about.

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RE: Fiat 500 To Be Sold By Chrysler In US By Year End

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:16 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 46):
Driving a convertible results in complete loss of man points.

  

Whoa!
I strongly disagree there.
Convertibles are awesome!
I wish Lincoln had convertibles in the late 1970s.
A guy down the street has a 1963 Buick Skylark convertible for sale for only $3000.
I am so tempted. It would bea nice small fuel efficient alternative to what I drive.  
I would love to get a 1970 Mercury Marquis convertible. (last full-sized Mercury convertible).
The 1960s Continentals are great but too expensive and exotic to use as a daily driver.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 46):
Were they wearing legwarmers?

As a matter of fact, they were. They have come back in style in Asia and lots of the young exchange students wear them.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 46):
You may have been driving in the wrong part of town.

No, it was the right part of town.  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 46):
They are far worse than the LeBaron.

True.
At least the Lebaron 'looked' nice.
The Sebring just looks like a blob with no styling.

Speaking of the Lebaron, read this article from the Onion.
It's hilarious! http://www.theonion.com/content/node/48473
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