airtran737
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Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:27 am

Simple as that. Why should I care? We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless. Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country? I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American. I travel the world extensively, and spend a lot of time in Africa. I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live. I know that most of you will find that last statement barbaric, but until you see dead babies in the streets of N'Djamena, or wild dogs eating the carcass of a man in Brazzaville, then you really can't relate to the things that I have seen. If we took care of our own properly, then I wouldn't be so upset. My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:47 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
you really can't relate to the things that I have seen

So? Why not appreciate the fact that life is pretty good in America, compared to Africa and Haiti. So, it behooves us to consider how we can assist them with their horrible problems. They make $400 a year while we make $45,000 every man woman and child. Some of us don't make that much salary, but our society does produce that much. Should we not share a little...

If anything, it sounds like you have seen horrible things that have rotted your mind and made you give up. Sorry but you wanted our reactions to your views; that's my reaction.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

Agree 100%. It was unimaginative and ridiculous.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:56 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 1):
So? Why not appreciate the fact that life is pretty good in America, compared to Africa and Haiti. So, it behooves us to consider how we can assist them with their horrible problems. They make $400 a year while we make $45,000 every man woman and child. Some of us don't make that much salary, but our society does produce that much. Should we not share a little...

I have no problem with helping out your fellow man. I just don't understand why we don't put our money towards to helping out or own before taking care of others
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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:56 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless. Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

Because taking "care" of our own would make us a socialist country. The slight mention on taking care of others would brandish you as as pinko-communist lover.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:09 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American. I travel the world extensively, and spend a lot of time in Africa. I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live. I know that most of you will find that last statement barbaric, but until you see dead babies in the streets of N'Djamena, or wild dogs eating the carcass of a man in Brazzaville, then you really can't relate to the things that I have seen. If we took care of our own properly, then I wouldn't be so upset. My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

You have to be kidding, this is sad that would you think this not to mention post this. Go get some professional help.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:10 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
the new "We Are The World" mix

Oh..the way they butchered that song..nothing beats the original though.

I agree with some things you say...its similar to the aid that poured in after the 2004 tsunami..it was almost like a competition among the different 'wealthy' countries. Its the same case here. The US and other 'developed' countries are just expected to give. Just the other day, I received a pamphlet from some organization that was involved with sponsoring disadvantaged Australian children. We have our own problems, but I guess our problems are minor compared to what these people are going through..imagine waking up one day and having nothing, your house is a pile of rubble and your family is dead or missing. I guess its just human nature to help others.

That said..Haiti has a long standing history of corruption, disease, and poverty. Countries like Haiti are of no benefit to the world community. This sounds cruel, I know but that's reality.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:15 am

Another thing is, maybe I like people from Haiti more than I like people in say, Maryland. My family does not live in Maryland, so why should I prefer an American over a Haitian? They are both from outside my town. Who cares about anybody outside my town?

The better answer I have for you is, we contribute far less than Europe does to poor countries. And, we DO take care of our people, with free education, mostly free health care, housing programs, food assistance and other programs. Americans have it good. But, I question why we need to only care about people inside some national border. Maybe I don't care about our country. Countries come and they go. The USA will probably stick around, but it's very possible America will collapse and my town will be ruled by a wonderful king named Lancelot. I really don't worship America, it's just something that works well for the moment.

How about this, why not make Haiti the 51st state. Then we can take care of Americans and suddenly you'll care about them, right?
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Hati?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:21 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why should I care? We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless.


Hmmmm.... American society hasn't done too good a job at eliminating poverty, starvation and homelessness IN the USA either, has it? How many years has it been and you STILL have homeless after Katrina. How many Americans still don't have health insurance? How many drug addicts are there in the USA? How many illiterate?
I can certainly understand why you have the idea that others don't deserve your help. You've demonstrated that quite well on the domestic front. Heaven forbid you take a wider perspective.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live.


I'm quite sure Hitler, Idi Amin, Sadam, all had similar ideas. Likewise, thanks for confirming also that some seem to have come from the shallow end of the gene pool.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
you really can't relate to the things that I have seen.


How presumptuous that you seem to think we haven't seen our share of horrors in the world. Thankfully, most of us aren't so jaded nor cold that we can't still feel the humanity of those less fortunate than ourselves. When the first one dies in your arms, it hurts. When the 2nd, it hurts less, and so on. But perhaps the greatest hurt and tragedy is when you no longer feel the pain.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:29 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Simple as that. Why should I care?
Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
I have no problem with helping out your fellow man. I just don't understand why we don't put our money towards to helping out or own before taking care of others

No worries. Could you just give all this back please?

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:33 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

Because if everyone would only care about themselves, every time we have a tragedy we would be on our own. Why did people give money for 9/11? why did people help in the aftermath of Katrina? You make it a country issue, but individualism can also happen within the country.

I prefer the US (or any other country) spending tax money on helping out rather than see thousands of billions beiong spent on wars.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:39 am

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 9):
Hmmmm.... American society hasn't done too good a job at eliminating poverty, starvation and homelessness IN the USA either, has it? How many years has it been and you STILL have homeless after Katrina.



That is exactly why in my original post I said that we should be taking care of our own problems before we help the rest of the world.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 9):
But perhaps the greatest hurt and tragedy is when you no longer feel the pain.



When you see it enough times it starts to lose it's meaning, and you begin to not care.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 7):
How about this, why not make Haiti the 51st state. Then we can take care of Americans and suddenly you'll care about them, right?



We already have Detroit, East St. Louis, and New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 9):

I'm quite sure Hitler, Idi Amin, Sadam, all had similar ideas. Likewise, thanks for confirming also that some seem to have come from the shallow end of the gene pool.



There is a logic behind that conclusion. As a human race we have become so advanced that we have managed to fend of many forms of death. Things that would have killed us 200 years ago are now an afterthought, but as far as we have come, we still cannot control nature. Thus, there are uncontrollable things that happen, and when they do, some of us aren't going to live. Darwin taught us of natural selection, and I firmly believe that the strongest amongst us survive, thus, some of us are not meant to live. The gazelle with a wound leg doesn't live a long and fruitful life on the Kenya plains does it? No, it gets targeted by the lion, and is made into a quick meal. The same applies to humans

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:44 am

Quoting swiftski (Reply 10):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...trina

Never saw that before, thanks for the link.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:51 am

Whilst i see what you are saying AirTran, i also respectfully disagree. Yes i agree that each country has its own problems to deal with and each country has its own shortcomings when it comes to disasters on its own soil. Wy pump money into another country's problem when there are problems at home? Why Help people abroad when people at home need helping? These questions can be asked firmly and honestly but it comes down to a few reasons....

Humanity. Most of us feel sympathy and a need to help those less fortunate. Whilst most of us North Americans (i'm English btw but live in Canada) feel like we're having a hard time right now, compared to what other countries are going through we are having a disco! Haiti is impoverished, and it's very close so it's a natural response to want to help those in need. We don't have to, but we CHOOSE to because it's human nature (hopefully still) to have compassion to other human beings.

Betterment. Whilst it isn't evident, a a lot of people strive to better themselves either through employment, religion, personal beliefs. If that means that they care about what goes on in an environment other than their immediate one then so be it...they are looking after others and in a way making themselves feel better....which leads to...

Compassion. Caring and sympathizing about other human beings and realizing that those is a better position can possibly make a small difference for the good in the lives of those less fortunate.

You could argue that Haiti never tried to get itself out of the position it found itself in, you could argue it tried to.....but right now the main focus should be forgetting what problems 'WE' have domestically (country wise) and trying to follow human instinct to help others and do good.

AirTran....IF the USA was attacked full-on or suffered a devastating natural disaster, would you feel rosy if no-one came to your aid because of your way of thinking? Just a thought.

I hope my post made sense, it's getting late and i felt like i had to respond ito this thread.

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:53 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless

But the starving and homeless in America did not just experience a devestating earthquake.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live. I know that most of you will find that last statement barbaric,

I find that statement barbaric because it is barbaric.

I'm am blessed to be able to live the life I do and, since you indicated that you travel often, I assume you are too. Because of this, it is my belief that we should share what we have with our fellow humans who have not been as fortunate as us.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:54 am

How much tax do you ACTUALLY pay? If you paid... A million USD in income tax then I could understand if all that was donated against your will. But, i will bet your bottom dollar you don't pay that much in tax. Have more faith in your fellow man. I'm sure if you were a starving kid in Darfur or raising a family of 12 kids as the eldest child in some war torn country because your parents died of HIV, you'd be glad of the help. You probably earn what these kids in Africa and Haiti can't even imagine seeing.

There are people everywhere who are less fortunate than others. It's a fact of life. Do you think people like Bill Gates with his billion dollar empire sleeps uneasily at night? No, because he gives to charity. Tax is a charity you can't get out of. If you don't pay tax, you have no right to bitch about anything because you don't pay for it, and Mr. and Mrs. IRS will come and haul you off to jail.

Ok, I'm 17. I don't pay income tax, council tax, poll tax, National Insurance tax, but then again, I don't work. If you have a disposable income (unlike me, might I add because I don't have one), don't be such a tight arse and give a little of it away. You might sleep a little better at night. I don't like how my local area is, but I don't go claiming it's worse than an earthquake hit hell hole in the Caribbean. It's certainly nicer than there. Still a shithole, but that's subjective.

Also, I will bet you Haiti and Africa are far worse than Detroit, New Jersey and East St. Louis. You don't see Africa holding a concert for Detroit do you?

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:55 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
There is a logic behind that conclusion. As a human race we have become so advanced that we have managed to fend of many forms of death. Things that would have killed us 200 years ago are now an afterthought, but as far as we have come, we still cannot control nature. Thus, there are uncontrollable things that happen, and when they do, some of us aren't going to live. Darwin taught us of natural selection, and I firmly believe that the strongest amongst us survive, thus, some of us are not meant to live. The gazelle with a wound leg doesn't live a long and fruitful life on the Kenya plains does it? No, it gets targeted by the lion, and is made into a quick meal. The same applies to humans

So why even help "our own" then? Our own are not meant to survive either. Why does your first post talk about helping ?

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless

Let them starve and freeze. Thats what Darwin taught you.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:56 am

I forgot to add.....

You mentioned about wild dogs and dead babies.....but that's not a natural disaster that CAN'T be prevented! The governments can try and prevent that, but you cannot prevent an earthquake or a hurricane or a Tsunami etc. Zimbabwe people are starving, but you know who to blame that on.....it can be prevented with effort but only if it's asked for, but most of the time it's the powers that be that are causing it.

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:14 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless. Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country? I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American.

Aren't you the same guy that was adamantly against the proposed health-care plan?
So much for your concern about helping your fellow American.  
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:16 am

Have you considered the many homeless here in the US that remain that way because they actually prefer it? I've come across a fair share of homeless patients, and many of them tell me they would rather be on the street than be in the shelter system. To a certain degree, they are homeless by their choosing. The resources are there for them if they choose it.

The poor and homeless in every country exist for a multitude of reasons, but not as a result of a natural disaster which took everything away from them in a matter of seconds.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:20 am

Just in case the ***OP isn't aware of it already...



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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:34 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
We already have Detroit, East St. Louis, and New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti
http://www.arrakeen.ch/usaaug98/106%20%20view%20to%20East%20St.Louis.JPG


Hmmm....

http://media.ft.com/cms/e50cbb40-0027-11df-8626-00144feabdc0.jpg
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/gallery/100112/GAL-10Jan12-3542/media/PHO-10Jan12-198344.jpg

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:57 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 12):
We already have Detroit, East St. Louis, and New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti

Seriously dude. As if your original post wasn't horrific enough. You just lost any chance at credibility. You claim to have travelled the world extensively but you'd compare these places to Haiti? Troubled.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:00 am

I think the OP poses a reasonable question, and provides good reasons why he has come to that his conclusions.

There are several reasons mentioned as to why we should help Haiti - humanitarian, political, and America's own perception of its role in the world as a great power. Americans are frustrated, however, that there is little appreciation for these acts of kindness. For all the help and aid distributed around the world, the goodwill generated in return has been minuscule.

The first reason, Humanitarian, is an extension of basic human feelings of compassion and altruism. However, if you indeed have been to Darfur, you can just throw up your hands in despair and say let charity begin at home. I think Americans still find it hard to stand by when bad things happen, and the will of the people is such that we will still end up helping in places such as Haiti.

The other argument, about needlessly extending the lives of those that are unable to thrive is a good question. Every time you feed a starving girl in Sudan, she will grow up to be a mother of several more starving children. When does it end? China adopted a one child policy succesfully. India tried that but the people did not allow that for long. So the question becomes, should you indeed feed that starving child?

The rational answer is No. Nature is merciless, and Humans are perfected from eons of heartless evolution. We have however stopped the evolutionary clock, and no longer weed out the weaker amongst us. In America too, the well to do procreate reluctantly, and the gene pool is dominated by those that have the most children - again, the poor.

Don't forget that Darwin was more about diversity, a precursor to selection. It's not the best genes that win, but the best mutations that win.

As for Hitler and Eugenics, it's hard to argue against it from a rational point of view. However, our humanist genes reject his doctrine. Somehow our brains have evolved to where we feel good about helping our weaker brethren, so there must be a good evolutionary reason for that.


Don't flame the OP - these are good questions.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:50 am

Just from a journalistic point of view the whole Haiti thing has passed me by. I get any update on the situation through colleagues at work.

The trouble is that I know no one who's been there, I have never had plans to go there and I know too little about the place. I find it very hard to emotionally connect with their loss.

In comparison I chase up all information about any seismic activity, of whatever magnitude, in Japan. A country I like and have been to.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:56 am

Quoting TheCol (Reply 31):

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live.

Who are we to play God?

More to the point, who is he (AirTran737) to play God?
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:24 am

No one said you HAD to care about Haiti. Okay, then go help those in your country who need you instead if that is your point. No one cares what you choose to do. If you think you should help your own first, then do it. What's the purpose of making a post about it?

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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 6:32 am

One question to all the people here who are criticizing the OP....

Did you give one iota of a s*it about Haiti until this earthquake hit?
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:01 am

How disgusting.

Some people actually care about others and will give of themselves expecting nothing in return.
Some people don't care about anyone but themselves.

No one asked you to care about anything. No one knows or cares what you think...  
Quoting comorin (Reply 27):
I think the OP poses a reasonable question, and provides good reasons why he has come to that his conclusions.

There are several reasons mentioned as to why we should help Haiti - humanitarian, political, and America's own perception of its role in the world as a great power. Americans are frustrated, however, that there is little appreciation for these acts of kindness. For all the help and aid distributed around the world, the goodwill generated in return has been minuscule.

The first reason, Humanitarian, is an extension of basic human feelings of compassion and altruism. However, if you indeed have been to Darfur, you can just throw up your hands in despair and say let charity begin at home. I think Americans still find it hard to stand by when bad things happen, and the will of the people is such that we will still end up helping in places such as Haiti.

The other argument, about needlessly extending the lives of those that are unable to thrive is a good question. Every time you feed a starving girl in Sudan, she will grow up to be a mother of several more starving children. When does it end? China adopted a one child policy succesfully. India tried that but the people did not allow that for long. So the question becomes, should you indeed feed that starving child?

The rational answer is No. Nature is merciless, and Humans are perfected from eons of heartless evolution. We have however stopped the evolutionary clock, and no longer weed out the weaker amongst us. In America too, the well to do procreate reluctantly, and the gene pool is dominated by those that have the most children - again, the poor.

Don't forget that Darwin was more about diversity, a precursor to selection. It's not the best genes that win, but the best mutations that win.

As for Hitler and Eugenics, it's hard to argue against it from a rational point of view. However, our humanist genes reject his doctrine. Somehow our brains have evolved to where we feel good about helping our weaker brethren, so there must be a good evolutionary reason for that.


Don't flame the OP - these are good questions.

These are not good questions, they are disgusting. They may be 'good' in your sense of theoretical conversation. No one asked you or anyone else to care or give your time or money. But really, for anyone to question anyone else giving their time or money? To question its "validity"? This is disgusting, and furthermore none of anyone else's business how someone contributes to charity. Your conclusions are furthermore ridiculous because those poor LIVE AMONG US. So unless we want to live in a cesspool, or have one next door, it may happen to be in our best interest to contribute a little something.

Furthermore, this all goes back to the belief that SOME biased and frequently ignorant people that all charity goes into a black hole. All recipients of aid or types of charity do not remain poor and destitute and constantly in need. Sure there are different theories on this issue. But there are many documented successes.

And it all goes back to the main point. If you DON'T care about anyone but yourself, don't give your money or time. If you have these feelings, I'm sure people pick up on them, and no one wants that type of person around. No one likes selfish people. But, I sure as hell won't let anybody question my charitable intentions. I have given to causes I love and people I love. And personally I'd be damned if anyone will question me. I will berate them and humiliate them.

For someone to question another person's honest and unconditional charitable works, this is disgusting and sounds like the doings of a bitter, cold person.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:03 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):
Did you give one iota of a s*it about Haiti until this earthquake hit?

Yes. I care about all people in poverty. I was aware of Haiti, have given to charities involved there and many other places. Could I have done more? Certainly, but did I care at all? Damn right I did.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:27 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 39):

Yes. I care about all people in poverty. I was aware of Haiti, have given to charities involved there and many other places. Could I have done more? Certainly, but did I care at all? Damn right I did.

Good for you..but I still think...

Billions of dollars will flood into Haiti from this crisis. Most of it will go into corrupt politicians' pockets..just like it did during the 2004 tsunami. How much of this money will actually go towards helping these people? Haiti will still be poor and undeveloped once this crisis ends because in a few days/months the world will have forgotten about them…until the next crisis. I’m not saying that I don’t feel for those people. But why do we only care when a disaster happens? If this world would care the rest of the time, we might not have things like terrorism or war or poverty.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:37 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 37):

Our Governor General was a Haitian refugee. She has brought a lot of national attention to Haiti, long before the earthquake. Per person, Canada and Norway have donated more money than in any other country during this crisis.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:38 am

Despite the fact that the assistance to that country has costed a ton of money that could of been used elsewhere, IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!
Haiti is a special country and it will likely stay as a special needs country for decades to come unless they miraculously find oil or diamonds. It is crazy how much money is being donated there. In Canada the total commitment is 250 million+/- for a 33 million population which is almost 8 bucks per person. That is pretty damm generous.

Also as a top power country, I think the world is looking at the US to play the role of the family dad or grandfather to take care of everything because they are the only superpower who's able to do so and its actually working. Do keep that up,

The world does certainly care with whats going on when serious events like these happen and that should continue as there will probably be more disasters in the future.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:38 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 40):
Billions of dollars will flood into Haiti from this crisis. Most of it will go into corrupt politicians' pockets.

I have a problem with "most". And just because horrible corruption exists, does that mean people should not give of themselves?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 40):
just like it did during the 2004 tsunami.

I'm sorry? You said most? Are you serious?

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 40):
Haiti will still be poor and undeveloped once this crisis ends because in a few days/months the world will have forgotten about them…

So what? No one is saying...let's make them a rich country on par with the EU, US, or Japan. Does this mean no one should give, and all efforts are in vain? Hell no.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 40):
But why do we only care when a disaster happens?

It is human nature...for EVERYTHING. Why do people care about air safety 100x more right after an airliner crash happens? Humans have short memories, the motivation window for action is always short.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 40):
If this world would care the rest of the time, we might not have things like terrorism or war or poverty.

I completely agree.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:53 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
Thus, there are uncontrollable things that happen, and when they do, some of us aren't going to live. Darwin taught us of natural selection, and I firmly believe that the strongest amongst us survive, thus, some of us are not meant to live. The gazelle with a wound leg doesn't live a long and fruitful life on the Kenya plains does it? No, it gets targeted by the lion, and is made into a quick meal. The same applies to humans

What happened in Haiti did not discriminate between the strong and the weak and had nothing to do with genetics or evolution.

Quoting comorin (Reply 22):
The other argument, about needlessly extending the lives of those that are unable to thrive is a good question. Every time you feed a starving girl in Sudan, she will grow up to be a mother of several more starving children. When does it end?

I agree, it's important that aid money is spent wisely and treats the problem at the root.

Overpopulation will certainly be a major problem for humanity over the next 100 years.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:07 pm

I partially agree with the oiginal poster. I believe that there should be an international response to any large NATURAL DISASTERS be it in Haiti, Russia or the US. One country, nomatter how deveped cannot cope by itself. Katrina, anyone? However I'm against all of the state sponsored humanitarian programs that feed places like sub-saharan africa and such. Developed countries must teach them to fish, don't give them the fish. There are many african students in Russia that our government is paying for.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:14 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
That is exactly why in my original post I said that we should be taking care of our own problems before we help the rest of the world.

but with that mentality "your own" problems are what happen in your house, not your country. If your house gets flooded or whatever and you need assistance to get back on your feet, wouldn't you like some help? If no one helped at all, you would be on your own.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:45 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

We do try to take care of our own. But, some people get in the way and say we should not because that type of care would just be used for drugs and alcohol, anyway.

My partner has two dogs. I am using this reference to make an example. NO ONE is a dog. I have fed these dogs and given them water. There are times when they know the food and water is there, but the simply do not want to eat or drink. I point it out to them and they just go the other way. Some people act like that. "I know the assistance is there, but I want to do my own thing" mentality. It is part of what is instilled in this country: A kind of individual pride. It is easier to help people that are willing to accept aid than help people that would rather dig through dumpsters.


Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

I never cared for the origional for the same reasons. The remake is worse. I know Haiti is in shambles. I texted my $10. Let the aid workers do their job, let the nation mourn and get on with their lives.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 4:58 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

Yep might be a good thing. Take all your troops back home and other ''help'' that you are giving abroad and save yourself Billions $$$   Might save a few lives also.   
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:35 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why should I care?

Gee, I don't know, because we're all on this rock together? Rich or poor, east or west, a mother's anguish is the same.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
We have our own people in America that are starving and homeless.

And what, exactly, do you wish to do for them? Some are in that situation by the results of their own life choices, others have been failed by inadequate social and postwar military support. Either way, we don't have a system for separating who's who.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I hate seeing my tax dollars go to humanitarian aid to people who aren't American.

You don't like terrorism or war, do you? Because that's what we'll have more of if we don't use some of our wealth to help others learn to irrigate, control their populations, and administer basic health and sanitation services.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
I have come to the conclusion that some of us are just not meant to live.

Logically, perhaps so. Such words mean nothing to a parent holding a deceased child in their arms. Until you know that kind of emotional distress, you have no right to judge its circumstance.

Fortunately, our species has made quite a habit of adaptation and perseverance in the face of adversity.

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
My rant was inspired by the new "We Are The World" mix that has been released, mainly because it is terrible

If this is your reaction to a bad piece of music, life is only going to get tougher for ya.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:55 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 26):
Did you give one iota of a s*it about Haiti until this earthquake hit?

What a foolish question, just because we don't go around bemoaning the fate of the poor of the world doesn't mean one should show a little respect for them when a disaster like this happens. I mean they have nothing bro. They are living in tents and can barely stay out of the elements and get medical care. The least we should do is text them 10 bucks and not post how we don't give a flying rat's ass about them. I mean seriously.
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:31 pm

I don't get this phrase...

Quoting AirTran737 (Thread starter):
Why don't we take care of our own before we pour money into another country?

So say your house is on fire, and the fire department isn't getting there quick enough. You need the assistance of neighbors with buckets of water. But the neighbors aren't coming out of their houses and helping you out. Why? Because say their kids get bad grades in school. They're apparently not taking care of their own properly, so why should they help you out? Meanwhile the house burns to the ground. But who cares? "Not my problem" the neighbors say. That makes about the same amount of sense, using the same basic logic, doesn't it?

And might I say what a sad and depressing place the world would be if your logic actually applied. Luckily, you're in the minority, and truthfully, bragging about how much you don't care, for shock value or whatever it is you're going for in this silly thread speaks volumes about your future posts.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:35 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 26):
Did you give one iota of a s*it about Haiti until this earthquake hit?

That logic doesn't really apply in this case. It doesn't matter how much people cared about Haiti before the earthquake, because the earthquake significantly changed everything. The earthquake killed tens of thousands of people and leveled a capital city. The earthquake made a bad situation significantly worse. What people thought of before the fact doesn't matter in this case.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:42 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
When you see it enough times it starts to lose it's meaning, and you begin to not care.

It's called Compassion Fatigue Syndrome or Secondary Traumatic Stress Disorder, and you should look into it as it's a red flag indicator doctors, nurses, trauma victims, etc... are trained in managing when dealing with trauma day in and day out. Compassion Fatigue is a form or indicator of sociopathic behavior and should be taken seriously if you find yourself feeling that way.

Why should you care? Because we have a chance to help people hit by a tragedy none of us would want to ever go thru, or any of our loved ones. If the world can make their lives better, even if only for a few weeks as they start to pick up the pieces from their shattered lives. It's the right thing to do, plain and simple.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:51 am

Charity single for Haiti by a sellection of Norwegian artists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2jQ-i3MhxY

It's in Norwegian but it's a nice melody and nice harmonies. Worth checking out  

There has also been a charity concert in Norway
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:04 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
[snip]....New Jersey. They are all bigger shit holes than Haiti

Best. Post. Ever.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:28 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 44):

Best. Post. Ever.

Or not.

Ok, so there's gun violence and murder and all the other things, but it is not a 3rd world nation hit by an earthquake without the funds to get back on its feet.

If the US really wanted to, they could clean up NJ, Detroit etc. Haiti can't, because they're physically lacking that money.
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:43 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
helping out or own before

I think it's a question of your perspective of, "our own people". In terms of "humanity" I see it as just that. Bound by the common human species. Nationality is far less of a bond, when it comes to this sort of thing, (and, historically, national boundaries change)
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 5:38 am

with all the money were pumping in to Haiti (which I believe we should help as long as we have the means to do so) we should just make it our 51st state
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:56 am

Quoting KCMike (Reply 47):
we should just make it our 51st state

Heard that one before... $1 billion to Israel per year, plus much more indirect aid... then there's Taiwan, then Puerto Rico...

But seriously - much "aid" that is given is actually taken back by the "debt" that the countries hold (or have held for decades).
 
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RE: Why Should I Care About Haiti?

Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:22 pm

Quoting KCMike (Reply 47):
with all the money were pumping in to Haiti (which I believe we should help as long as we have the means to do so) we should just make it our 51st state

53rd, because by now, Afghanistan and Iraq should be in the list too  
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