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Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:35 pm

I really hope I run into this man this winter. I want to shake his hand.

http://www.ktnv.com/global/story.asp?s=11996202

Man a state that was key in Obama's win has totally turned their backs on him after one year and after not one but two very careless remarks. As goodman said we need leadership. Something Obama doesn't seem to have.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:52 pm

Mayor Oscar Goodman is a flake (yes you sir), The president invited him to an event he should accept, not put his bitterness above his country, he could have discussed this like adults but he has taken a childish resolve. Goodman lacks leadership. A real patriot does not refuse a meeting with the president no matter what the party or feeling he has. If you think this is right you have put pettiness and partisanship above citizenship.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:56 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I really hope I run into this man this winter. I want to shake his hand.

http://www.ktnv.com/global/story.asp?s=11996202

Man a state that was key in Obama's win has totally turned their backs on him after one year and after not one but two very careless remarks. As goodman said we need leadership. Something Obama doesn't seem to have.

 

Glad he didn't. The man has a spine!

 

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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:57 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 1):
Mayor Oscar Goodman is a flake (yes you sir), The president invited him to an event he should accept, not put his bitterness above his country, he could have discussed this like adults but he has taken a childish resolve. Goodman lacks leadership. A real patriot does not refuse a meeting with the president no matter what the party or feeling he has. If you think this is right you have put pettiness and partisanship above citizenship.

To the contrary, Mayor Goodman has been acting much more presidential than Obama has since he took office. You earn respect, it's not automatically given to you because you duped a part of the country to vote for you. A part of the country that has since turned on him. Obama is not in touch with the working people of Nevada or for any state for that matter. If he was he wouldn't have made the idiotic remarks he did. Check the polls buddy the country has had it with the slick speaking elitist who has no idea how to lead. Only how to blame and say "I inherited this mess" Well that time has gone and we need a president. Not a teleprompter reader. Again Bravo Mayor Goodman. May your actions inspire more to speak out against this.

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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:09 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 1):
The president invited him to an event he should accept...

I disagree. If the President invited me to dinner, I should have the right to decline as I see fit. And I know I will!
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Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:12 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
To the contrary, Mayor Goodman has been acting much more presidential than Obama has since he took office. You earn respect, it's not automatically given to you because you duped a part of the country to vote for you. A part of the country that has since turned on him. Obama is not in touch with the working people of Nevada or for any state for that matter. If he was he wouldn't have made the idiotic remarks he did. Check the polls buddy the country has had it with the slick speaking elitist who has no idea how to lead. Only how to blame and say "I inherited this mess" Well that time has gone and we need a president. Not a teleprompter reader. Again Bravo Mayor Goodman. May your actions inspire more to speak out against this.

Unless the national leader is a dictator or someone who forced his way into office, some respect is owed weather it's Obama or Bush who invites you to talk with him, this incident could have been discussed like gentleman, but the mayor chooses to grandstand.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:14 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Man a state that was key in Obama's win has totally turned their backs on him after one year and after not one but two very careless remarks.

The Mayor of Las Vegas equals the whole state of Nevada? Nice try...
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:21 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
I disagree. If the President invited me to dinner, I should have the right to decline as I see fit. And I know I will!

No, Im talking meeting with the president, face to face, a meeting, not a dinner or White House dinner.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:23 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
The Mayor of Las Vegas equals the whole state of Nevada? Nice try...

The only place in Nevada where Obama picked up significant votes was Las Vegas.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:28 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 8):
The only place in Nevada where Obama picked up significant votes was Las Vegas.

Again, the Mayor's decision to "snub" Obama is in what way indicative of the fact that the entire state has turned it's back on the President?
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:34 pm

That's Oscar being Oscar. If you were the mayor of a city that the President of the United States has disparaged on several occasions, would you want to be anywhere near that person? Mayor Goodgin is the "ambassador" for Las Vegas as a whole, even though the bulk of the casinos lie outside of Las Vegas city limits.

Besides, does Obama really want to associate with a guy that used to defend gangsters?    True story. Some of his most well-known clients were Meyer Lansky, Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal, and Anthony "Tony The Ant" Spilotro. Rosenthal and Spilotro were the inspirations for Sam "Ace" Rothstein and Nicky Santoro in the book and movie "Casino" (Oscar Goodman portrayed himself in that movie.).

Maybe Oscar and Obama need to sit down and hash things out over a bottle of Bombay Sapphire......   

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
I really hope I run into this man this winter. I want to shake his hand.

If you're near a bar, buy him a drink......

Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
The Mayor of Las Vegas equals the whole state of Nevada? Nice try...

Las Vegas is the largest city in Nevada, with a population of 558,383. That's not even including the entire Metro Area, which has a population of over 1.8 million, which is well over half of the state's population. While over 1.3 million residents of the Las Vegas were not able to vote for him since they did not live within the City Of Las Vegas, he is the elected official most identified with Las Vegas. When he was reelected to his final term in 2007, he garnered 83.69% of the votes even with there being five other candidates seeking to unseat him. On the other hand, Rory Reid, who is the Chairman of the Clark County Board of Commissioners (And is running for Governor next year.) is virtually unknown outside of Nevada. This is even with the fact that his father is Sen. Harry Reid.

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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:35 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 7):
No, Im talking meeting with the president, face to face, a meeting, not a dinner or White House dinner.

Still, no. Dinner or no dinner...any event (as you worded it), no.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:35 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
Unless the national leader is a dictator or someone who forced his way into office, some respect is owed weather it's Obama or Bush who invites you to talk with him, this incident could have been discussed like gentleman, but the mayor chooses to grandstand

Maybe if Obama said this once, but after Goodman let his frustration be known the first time Obama made this stupid statement he should have learned. Yet he said it again. It shows he has an axe to grind and it will hurt him badly.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 6):
The Mayor of Las Vegas equals the whole state of Nevada? Nice try...

No but we can discuss this after Reid is shown the door and in 2012 when I think you will see how Nevada as a whole thinks.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 8):
The only place in Nevada where Obama picked up significant votes was Las Vegas.

Of course, the left is just in denial that yet another state has abandoned Obama. It has to hurt. So cut them some slack.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
Again, the Mayor's decision to "snub" Obama is in what way indicative of the fact that the entire state has turned it's back on the President?

Again Reid is getting destroyed in the polls by two nobodies and Sue Lowden but it's ok we can wait till the smoke clears to discuss how Obama destroyed himself with his stupid, pandering rhetoric that cost people their jobs.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:42 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):
If you're near a bar, buy him a drink......

I had never heard of the guy until the news carried a story of him telling a 3rd or 4th grade class when asked what are his hobbies, that "he enjoys a Bombay Sapphire". A real modern WC Fields.

As Singapore is opening its first big casino complex I've heard his name on a few occasions. He's openly praised the canings in Singapore back in America saying that school kids should be caned for acting up when kids are never caned in Singapore. Cutting off the thumbs of vandals on live TV. Beheadings, you name it.

I think Goodman is just mad still that Obama wouldn't give him the $55 million he sought from them to build a Mobster Museum in the stimulus bill. He sounds like a gaffe machine larger than Biden by a factor of 10 or 20.
 
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:42 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Of course, the left is just in denial that yet another state has abandoned Obama.

I'll ask again. Where is your proof that Obama has been abandoned by the state of Nevada?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Again Reid is getting destroyed in the polls by two nobodies and Sue Lowden but it's ok we can wait till the smoke clears to discuss how Obama destroyed himself with his stupid, pandering rhetoric that cost people their jobs.

Seems to me that unemployment is beginning to fall and that new jobs are in the process of being created. I also seem to recall that the recession that resulted in the loss of jobs also began under Bush's watch. But hey, when did you ever let facts get in the way of your desire to see the Democratic Party destroyed so that we can become a single-party state?
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:50 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 10):
Maybe Oscar and Obama need to sit down and hash things out over a bottle of Bombay Sapphire

My thought exactly.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
It shows he has an axe to grind and it will hurt him badly.

Maybe in his case an axe collection   
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:54 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Again Reid is getting destroyed in the polls by two nobodies and Sue Lowden but it's ok we can wait till the smoke clears to discuss how Obama destroyed himself with his stupid, pandering rhetoric that cost people their jobs

What he said wasn't pandering, it was telling the truth. It's a truth that maybe the people of Vegas don't want to hear, but such is life. The sad reality is that much of Vegas' economy is based on people spending money they really don't have, hence why Vegas has taken such a hard hit.

It's funny how conservatives are always preaching personal responsibility, but when the President says the same thing they get all outraged.
 
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 1):
Mayor Oscar Goodman is a flake (yes you sir), The president invited him to an event he should accept, not put his bitterness above his country, he could have discussed this like adults but he has taken a childish resolve. Goodman lacks leadership. A real patriot does not refuse a meeting with the president no matter what the party or feeling he has. If you think this is right you have put pettiness and partisanship above citizenship.
Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
Unless the national leader is a dictator or someone who forced his way into office, some respect is owed weather it's Obama or Bush who invites you to talk with him, this incident could have been discussed like gentleman, but the mayor chooses to grandstand.

Goodman forgave Obama the first time the President went after Las Vegas last year, and went to his function. If Obama does it again, why should he be forgiven? Obama had his warning.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:12 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
'll ask again. Where is your proof that Obama has been abandoned by the state of Nevada?

Ahh the good ol "where is your proof" talking point. It's ok, Obama hasn't been abandoned by Nevada. They love him. We will see how much they love him this November. Keep the wool over those eye buddy. It's a good look.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Seems to me that unemployment is beginning to fall and that new jobs are in the process of being created. I also seem to recall that the recession that resulted in the loss of jobs also began under Bush's watch. But hey, when did you ever let facts get in the way of your desire to see the Democratic Party destroyed so that we can become a single-party state?

Good lord are you serious? People in Nevada are really hurting. This is what you and Obama fail to even see. Yet you still cling to the "blame Bush" rhetoric. Keep it up. It's doing wonders for you.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
What he said wasn't pandering, it was telling the truth. It's a truth that maybe the people of Vegas don't want to hear, but such is life. The sad reality is that much of Vegas' economy is based on people spending money they really don't have, hence why Vegas has taken such a hard hit.

This is such a load, so know every person that vacations in LV is living beyond their means. It's this elitist propaganda that is going to hurt Obama and has already lost him the state of NV. Keep up the good work.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:28 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Good lord are you serious? People in Nevada are really hurting.

And this makes Nevada unique how? You must have been in support of Goodman's $250 million city hall building then to help construction workers correct?

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
This is such a load, so know every person that vacations in LV is living beyond their means. It's this elitist propaganda that is going to hurt Obama and has already lost him the state of NV. Keep up the good work.

This line of attack against Obama is bunk. The entire Las Vegas faux rage is because Obama didn't want any more banks and other institutions bailed out with billions of US taxpayers money to be living large in Vegas as was happening in 2008 and early 2009. Some corporations made bone headed decisions to hold their annual events at 5 star resorts running up tens of thousands of dollars in room service, gambling, and other nonsense when they couldn't pay their bills and needed bailing out. AIG I'm looking at you.

Stop twisting this logic against this type of behavior Obama was against to common men and women. It's dishonest.
 
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:43 pm

Let's see. Obama tells people not to blow their money in Las Vegas. Might actually be good advice for people who aren't wealthy - especially during tough economic times.

Sure Goodman was upset. Casinos took a hit. Probably the same with whorehouses.

As far as snubbing Obama goes. There has traditionally been the appearance of getting along in politics. Especially n the lower ranks (like mayors) who will be wanting federal funding of projects over the next 3 to 7 years.

In that light Goodman looks to be about as bright as a 15 watt light bulb.
 
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Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:48 pm

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 19):
The entire Las Vegas faux rage is because Obama didn't want any more banks and other institutions bailed out with billions of US taxpayers money to be living large in Vegas as was happening in 2008 and early 2009.

The problem is, Obama is giving us a speech on fiscal responsibility. That's like Hitler giving a speech on Human Rights. The context of what Obama said is correct, but singling out a city, which he'd already gaffed against before, was another mistake. He should have just said what he said minus Las Vegas. However, again, being fiscally responsible means nothing coming from Obama. I side with the mayor on this only in so much as I personally have no respect for Obama and would always turn down an invitation from him, or his White House.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:53 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
You earn respect, it's not automatically given to you because you duped a part of the country to vote for you.

Duped? Try again, people chose to vote for Obama, whether or not you agree with how they voted. Nobody was tricked.
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Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:13 pm

OA412, as a pround resident of the State of Nevada, I respectfully suggest you take a seat. Obama, Reid, and Dem's in general here are so far down in the shitter here, it's pathetic. I live in Washoe County, which gave it's votes to Obama back in 2008. He has been completely abandoned here in addition to Clark County. Given that Clark and Wahshoe have abandoned him, and they make up an absolute majority of states population, how can you be in such denial? Democrats have lost Nevada, accept it.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:49 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
This is such a load, so know every person that vacations in LV is living beyond their means.

Every person? No. But the majority? Yes. It has nothing to do personally with LV, but the fact that a majority of American's live beyond their means.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
It's this elitist propaganda that is going to hurt Obama and has already lost him the state of NV. Keep up the good work.

And if conservatives have their way and gut the government, LV is going to be hurting a whole lot more as even more people won't be able to afford it as they grapple with having no retirement money and struggle to pay for healthcare, energy, etc.
 
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Wed Feb 17, 2010 10:00 pm

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):

What he said wasn't pandering, it was telling the truth. It's a truth that maybe the people of Vegas don't want to hear, but such is life. The sad reality is that much of Vegas' economy is based on people spending money they really don't have, hence why Vegas has taken such a hard hit.

Good point. It was the truth, and as much as people don't want to hear it, its true. It's actually a nice refreshing message to hear in contrast to our last recession (after 9/11) when we were told to spend spend spend to bring this economy back out to recovery.

Now on the same note, he maybe should not have singled out Vegas. However, do you REALLY believe that the comment that Obama made (that most people didn't even hear or know about until the spin machine made it all the rage); do you really believe that Obama's comment is going to stop people from going to Vegas? Personally, if I'm not making as much money, I WOULD be going to Vegas. The hotels are offering killer deals, shows are cutting prices, room rates are lower, and you can actually have a lot of fun and get good food for pretty cheap. Vegas isn't having as many people going, but Obama's comments really have nothing to do with that. And this fake outrage over it is silly.

The mayor needs to man up and instead of brushing him off, he should sit down with the President and make his case clearly and concisely. Standing up to someone doesn't mean giving them the cold shoulder, the silent treatment, or brushing them off. As adults, there are ways to communicate in mature ways ESPECIALLY if you have a disagreement.
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Quoting tbar220 (Reply 28):
Now on the same note, he maybe should not have singled out Vegas. However, do you REALLY believe that the comment that Obama made (that most people didn't even hear or know about until the spin machine made it all the rage);

He was right on point - but don't pick on a tourist town that already has 13+% unemployment and is already seeing a sharp drop in business.

Quoting tbar220 (Reply 28):
The mayor needs to man up and instead of brushing him off, he should sit down with the President and make his case clearly and concisely.

He DID!!!

Last year, Obama did the same sh&t. The mayor forgave him and they had a friendly tete-a-tete together.

You forgive the same mistake only ONCE.
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Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 16):
It's funny how conservatives are always preaching personal responsibility, but when the President says the same thing they get all outraged.


You saved me from saying something similar. I guess it is good idea to gamble away your childrens college money. The hypocrisy on here is sometimes beyond belief.
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Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 27):
You saved me from saying something similar. I guess it is good idea to gamble away your childrens college money. The hypocrisy on here is sometimes beyond belief.

(sigh)

as has been repeated here many times, he was right on message but wrong on execution.
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:31 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 1):
Mayor Oscar Goodman is a flake (yes you sir), The president invited him to an event he should accept, not put his bitterness above his country, he could have discussed this like adults but he has taken a childish resolve.

The point I agree with of him being a "flake" is he goes on about his reasoning of why he declined the invitation. He also did it in such a tone where it was virtually hazing the President. If he would have simply said, "I declined to meet with him." and left it at that, I would have much more respect for him.

I respect Obama's as President, but that does not mean I like his policies. As a person, I can't say, since I haven't met him personally.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 27):
I guess it is good idea to gamble away your childrens college money. The hypocrisy on here is sometimes beyond belief.

While I agree it is quite foolish and selfish to do such a thing, the point of the matter is it is not ours or any politicians place to say what people can and cannot do with their own money. Targeting a city that specifically relies on tourism is also quite foolish.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:06 pm

Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 29):
While I agree it is quite foolish and selfish to do such a thing, the point of the matter is it is not ours or any politicians place to say what people can and cannot do with their own money.

He's not saying what you can or can't do with your money. He's suggesting what you may not want to do. And I'd say he's quite correct.

With that said, yeah, it certainly doesn't look good to make the same comment about Vegas twice.

But, honestly, why do I care that he said it again? I'm going to Vegas this weekend, and his comments certainly aren't going to sway me one way or another.
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Quoting ea772lr (Reply 21):
I side with the mayor on this only in so much as I personally have no respect for Obama and would always turn down an invitation from him, or his White House.

So you, a small business owner, would turn down an invitation from the White House to get ideas from small business owners just because Obama is the current President in the White House?
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Quoting ea772lr (Reply 21):
That's like Hitler giving a speech on Human Rights.

ea777lr: Im calling you out on this one.

You just compared Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler who exterminated millions of people, thats insane and un-American as I said the last time. This shows the insanity of the right wing movement in America.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:35 am

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 32):
This shows the insanity of the right wing movement in America.

Yea nothing like that good ol Bill Ayers planting bombs.
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 33):
Yea nothing like that good ol Bill Ayers planting bombs.

He's a ground nut, what does he have to do with anything good or constructive, he's a s***, like Lyndon LaRouche or Tom Tancredo. Factcheck has disproved Palins claims that Obama started his campaign in Ayers living room or said (Just a guy down the street). Try Again.
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:49 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 34):
Factcheck has disproved Palins claims that Obama started his campaign in Ayers living room or said (Just a guy down the street).

You believe FactCheck? They are intimately tied with both Ayers and Obama - they were all owned/employed by the same foundation. They are hardly impartial.

Snopes if more fair - Ayers and Obama knew each other, but were not very close - "palling around with terrorists" is an exaggeration. Ayers did give Obama a bit of help early on. Obama saying that Ayers was just a "guy in the neighborhood" is also a gross understatement.

And as I recall, Palin did not raise the Ayers/Obama connection. That was raised by Hillary Clinton's campaign long before Palin arrived on the scene, along with the Birther accusations.
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:27 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 32):
You just compared Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler who exterminated millions of people, thats insane and un-American as I said the last time. This shows the insanity of the right wing movement in America.

Damn!! You almost sounded like a politician  I am not with the right wing, but I got the point he was making. I believe you are reaching a little on that one.
What happened to dissension is the greatest form of patriotism? Didn't we have to hear that from the left wing nuts for the last 8 yrs?
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RE: Mayor Goodman Snubs Obama

Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:54 pm

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 32):
This shows the insanity of the right wing movement in America.

I was talking about the outrageous rhetoric about Obama on the Hitler comparison and all the racist elements and other totally non factual fluff. Not an excuse or denial that some of the outrageous crap that happened of the other side last administration, nut are nuts.



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 35):
Snopes if more fair - Ayers and Obama knew each other, but were not very close — "palling around with terrorists" is an exaggeration. Ayers did give Obama a bit of help early on. Obama saying that Ayers was just a "guy in the neighborhood" is also a gross understatement.

That was in ref. to a McCain ad that gravitated attention some time ago and a response against any close association with Ayers, FactCheck has grilled libs. too.



Quoting Mudboy (Reply 36):
What happened to dissension is the greatest form of patriotism?

A position frequently said by opposition demonstrations, I did not imply decent is bad, its good, part of a successful democracy but the argument is lost when people compare those who they oppose to Hitler or other historical dictators.

Back to the subject; Obama and Goodman should do more to better the situation like I said before.
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