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New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:37 am

Yes! I am so happy and damn glad to see the FEDERAL government enforcing new laws making it more tight and strict on using cell phones while driving.    Go LAW! I am so for the law, that I am thinking about becoming a CHP officer and write everyone tickets, "if you break the law, I gotta make the call." Check out the link below on the new cell phone law.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...gets-more-attention.aspx?GT1=33004
 
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:24 am

This is awesome! It goes to show that since most states have not passed laws, the Feds had to take the problem in its own hands.

I wonder how many states will now cry foul on this new Federal Law.

Question....now that this a Federal law, if you get a ticket for breaking a Federal law, does this classify one as a felon??
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:30 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Question....now that this a Federal law, if you get a ticket for breaking a Federal law, does this classify one as a felon??

Good question, I am not exactly sure, but I hope and pray to God that it will be a felony!
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:50 am

Finally!

But sadly I guarantee there will be plenty of retards still yapping on the phone regardless.

And they should ban hands-free devices as well while they're at it. So what if you have both hands on the wheel, the real problem is your attention is 75% on a conversation and 25% on driving.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
I wonder how many states will now cry foul on this new Federal Law.

I bet CA will be the first to bitch moan and and whine    
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:16 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

I bet CA will be the first to bitch moan and and whine

CA has a cell phone law already.

I have no issues with this law. Driving with a phone in your hand puts others at risk.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:51 am

You can't legislate morality and personal behavior. Passing a law on things like this are like farting in the wind.

What exactly will any of this do for the average American? Anything at all? I doubt it.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:36 am

My experience with the law is this/. our law came into effect Nov 09. There was a4 month warning period where all you got was a warning and no ticket.

So Jan 31 everyone still talking on cells. Feb 01 Almost no one talking.

Here the fine is up to $500 (normally 155) and 3 demerit points.

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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:43 am

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
And they should ban hands-free devices as well while they're at it. So what if you have both hands on the wheel, the real problem is your attention is 75% on a conversation and 25% on driving.

When I'm on my headset, I know what priority #1 is. I've left the person on the other end hanging for a couple of seconds if I need the extra attention on the road. I don't think I'm alone in that, so let's not generalize.

If talking on a headset causes you to drive dangerously or get into an accident, your ass should be handed to you on a level above that which it would normally be. But I don't really see the justification for making them illegal.

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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:09 pm

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 5):
What exactly will any of this do for the average American? Anything at all? I doubt it.

For one, it should save some lives.

Driving while talking and holding a mobile phone is dangerous, pretty simple really.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
And they should ban hands-free devices as well while they're at it. So what if you have both hands on the wheel, the real problem is your attention is 75% on a conversation and 25% on driving.

Well you may as well ban all passengers from talking to the driver while the car is on motion because according to you its distracting. So would listening to the radio, or picking your nose or scratching your ass.

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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:27 pm

I would presume this proposed law will be done like that for requiring a national standard of a minimum state law of 21 the age to access alcohol products. That will be done by saying states will get a cut of 5% or more in their monies from the Federal Government for highway project funding if they don't have a federal standard law by the state banning cell phone use in cars while driving.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:39 pm

Quoting ProPilot83 (Thread starter):
Yes! I am so happy and damn glad to see the FEDERAL government enforcing new laws making it more tight and strict on using cell phones while driving.

Did I miss something here? This law makes it illegal for commercial bus drivers and truck drivers from using a handheld while driving...not the average citizen. Arguably, the government has taken aim at those that are probably the safest amongst us, the professional driver (exceptions exist). The federal government can not or should not be able to directly regulate the individual driver. That is the States' function.

In reality, I don't have a major problem with this law, but we should not herald when the federal government takes the place of a state government. We should ask our state governments to get on the ball.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 12:55 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 8):


Quote:
Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
And they should ban hands-free devices as well while they're at it. So what if you have both hands on the wheel, the real problem is your attention is 75% on a conversation and 25% on driving.

Well you may as well ban all passengers from talking to the driver while the car is on motion because according to you its distracting. So would listening to the radio, or picking your nose or scratching your ass.

We don't often agree on anything, but in this instance ...   

Talking on the phone with a hands-free kit is no different from having a conversation with a passenger. If hands free devices were banned, they may as well ban anyone from having a passenger in the car, as it amounts to the same thing.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:39 pm

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
But sadly I guarantee there will be plenty of retards still yapping on the phone regardless.

  

Quebec and Newfoundland have his law i effect already for some time and I still saw several people yapping on the phone in hand last week. Mind you, I've only spent some 18 hours in Dorval/La Salle, drove on 30 km and yet saw some talkers.
What's annoying though that not every rental car comes with handsfree.

Quoting greasespot (Reply 6):
So Jan 31 everyone still talking on cells. Feb 01 Almost no one talking.

You can still see some around here...it's like people don't know about it (car manufacturers/dealers certainly don't). BTW, I've received a spam e-mail saying that maximum fines doubled in Ontario since the beginning of the year. Is it true?

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11):
Talking on the phone with a hands-free kit is no different from having a conversation with a passenger.

Some traffic specialists argue that the passenger is sitting in the car with you and will shut up in case of emergency.The person on the phone won't.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 3:07 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 8):
Well you may as well ban all passengers from talking to the driver while the car is on motion because according to you its distracting. So would listening to the radio, or picking your nose or scratching your ass.

Yeah true, but I think FLY2HMO has a point. I can definitely say that all of the traffic mishaps I've ever had were not a result of being on the phone, but of being engaged in a conversation with the person next to me. Of course it would be an extremely difficult if not impossible and totally impractical thing to try and enforce, but the power of distraction caused by headsets and conversations with the people in the car next to you shouldn't be unconsidered. I don't know if I'd call for the banning of headsets, but perhaps it should be looked at?
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:09 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 8):
Well you may as well ban all passengers from talking to the driver while the car is on motion because according to you its distracting. So would listening to the radio, or picking your nose or scratching your ass.

That's silly

I can't tell you how many times I've seen people swerving on the road due to heated arguments with their significant other, parents yelling at their kids in the back seats going 90 and twisting their necks and LOOKING BACK, people reading newspapers on the highway while driving, women putting make up on, etc etc etc

Yes, there's really no way to enforce those idiotic behaviors. But if you can eliminate one distraction once and for all then so be it.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 4:31 pm

Oh, for the love of..... I can not tell you how many times I have driven on the 101 between here and the city and seen drivers reading, applying makeup, texting, talking on their phone, chainging their CD, sipping coffee/tea/soda, pluging in their MP3 player, adjusting their climate controls. All while not paying attention to what is going on around them. Not to mention I never see any CHP or county or any kind of law enforcement for miles and miles. Why limit it to talking on cell phones? Like was said before:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 5):
Passing a law on things like this are like farting in the wind.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:18 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 15):
Why limit it to talking on cell phones?

Because something is better than nothing at all?
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:42 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
I have no issues with this law. Driving with a phone in your hand puts others at risk.

I bike to work and can almost guarantee that at some point during my commute I will almost get hit by someone talking on a cell phone. I see it everyday. I'd love if this law is passed and is enforced, but I think the public's habits are already where they are and won't change.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:23 pm

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
This law makes it illegal for commercial bus drivers and truck drivers from using a handheld while driving...not the average citizen.

Now the truck drivers are gonna be enraged that they cannot use their CB Radios. Is that included?

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 10):
The federal government can not or should not be able to directly regulate the individual driver. That is the States' function.

If the states are not willing to promote safety on highways, then the Federal government should take action if the states won't. This is only the first step to get the states to wake the hell up.

Trust me, the individual driver "no phone/text" Federal law is coming. Trust me on that one.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:59 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Now the truck drivers are gonna be enraged that they cannot use their CB Radios. Is that included?

That should not be included. I don't even notice many trucks using CBs anymore. The ones that do use them simply key the mike for just a minute. It is nothing like a cell phone. I do see truck drivers talking/texting. It is really dangerous on this 15 mile strech of the 101 between Santa Rosa and Novato. Especially the construction in Rohnert Park!
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:06 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Trust me, the individual driver "no phone/text" Federal law is coming. Trust me on that one.

I'm no lawyer, but I believe that such a law would be considered un-Constitutional. The Federal government does not have that power, only the States do. The only reason that the Feds can do what they're doing, is that it is arguable and probable that truck drivers and commercial bus drivers are engaging in interstate commerce. The government does have the authority to regulate the commerce and the way it's handled.

Quoting Airport (Reply 16):
Because something is better than nothing at all?

The typical "WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING" approach to legislation.

Yes, texting/reading emails/facebooking are all dangerous while driving, or walking, for that matter, and this law is laudable. But, it doesn't target the majority of drivers. It targets only those who are, by trade, engaged in interstate comerce. The States need to step up and pass their own laws banning these actions.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:47 pm

There was already a thread on this a few months ago. The ban is specifically targeted at those engaged in interstate commerce. The feds have no jurisdiction over regular drivers and can only act through the spending power on that.

Quoting ProPilot83 (Thread starter):
I am so for the law, that I am thinking about becoming a CHP officer and write everyone tickets

You need to rethink becoming a CHP officer then. You need to make sure you are actually writing tickets for people who break the law and not going Rambo on anyone who seems to be looking down for a second.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Question....now that this a Federal law, if you get a ticket for breaking a Federal law, does this classify one as a felon??

Not at all. Indeed, the feds are likely to delegate enforcement to the States. Also, the thing this is most likely to be focused at is licensing requirements for those engaged in interstate commerce.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

I bet CA will be the first to bitch moan and and whine

CA has the broadest set of cell phone usage restrictions in the US. As usual, the rest of the country is following us.

Quoting greasespot (Reply 6):

Here the fine is up to $500 (normally 155) and 3 demerit points.

See those signs on the QEW all the time. That said, apparently there are no points for cell phone use in Ontario, only in B.C.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/02/01/phone-ban-ont-bc.html

While I think doing the handheld cell thing while driving is stupid, I would hope that you and your fellow police officers don't pull the old trick of "piling on" charges to enhance fines and points.

Also, under what power are the provinces doing this? Are driving infractions in Canada technically a civil offense, given that the feds promulgate all criminal law in Canada, unlike the States.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:59 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Question....now that this a Federal law, if you get a ticket for breaking a Federal law, does this classify one as a felon??

Just because one breaks a federal law doesn't make it a felony. The US federal court system has misdemeanors too, just like states have misdemeanors, felonies and other types of infractions.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:02 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
While I think doing the handheld cell thing while driving is stupid, I would hope that you and your fellow police officers don't pull the old trick of "piling on" charges to enhance fines and points.

I don't think it's stupid, it's dangerous. A professor at W. Washington University did a study on how distracted people really are when they are on a cell phone. For anyone that says it doesn't effect your ability to safely drive, for this study they paid a clown to ride around on a unicycle. Most people who were on a cell phone never noticed he was around.

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/1...e-studying-cell-phone-distraction/
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:15 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 23):
I don't think it's stupid, it's dangerous. A professor at W. Washington University did a study on how distracted people really are when they are on a cell phone. For anyone that says it doesn't effect your ability to safely drive, for this study they paid a clown to ride around on a unicycle. Most people who were on a cell phone never noticed he was around.

Actually the studies have concluded that distracted drivers in general had the same statistics regardless of activity, be it cell phones, trying to eat, children in the car misbehaving, futzing with a GPS monitor, having a DVD video/movie playing in the car. How many of these activities are you going to try to pass laws on and effectively enforce? If you can't enforce a law a government should never pass it in the first place. How many parents are cops going to now ticket for misbehaving children?

It's called education. You run ad campaigns and education programs in the schools and beyond teaching about the hazards of distracted driving.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:02 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 20):
The Federal government does not have that power, only the States do.

If the States do not begin to clean up their act on making our roads safer, then the only solution is to get the Feds involved. They will only get involved if the States dont do a thing about problems.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):

Thanks for the anwser. It is appreciated!
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:24 am

California banned them, and I've not noticed much of a difference with the way people drive. Not to mention I see at least 15-20 people drive while talking on their cells daily. Including city cops and highway patrol. I wouldn't get too jazzed about this.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:37 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
I would hope that you and your fellow police officers don't pull the old trick of "piling on" charges to enhance fines and points.

If they, the police become aware of "other" things wrong with you or the car, why would it be unreasonable to take further action, even if that involved fines ?

I think they would be perfectly entitled to book you. Remember they are the police, they have a right to take action and should to, its there duty !
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:43 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
If they, the police become aware of "other" things wrong with you or the car, why would it be unreasonable to take further action, even if that involved fines ?

I think they would be perfectly entitled to book you. Remember they are the police, they have a right to take action and should to, its there duty !

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but you really are an odd one. On all of the full body scanner threads you are all about them scanning, probing, and going to the nth extreme. Why would you let Johnny Law to have so much authority and power over you? I've not met very many people in the TSA, customs, or traffic cops qualified to even make a judgement call on anything I do, much less make me willing to acknowledge the mouth breather.

Why do you feel the need to check your own sovereignty at the door of your home as you walk out? Although, I wonder if next you'll be advocating that the water police or cable tv security people have a right to enter your home to make sure you have legal connections.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:00 am

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 28):
On all of the full body scanner threads you are all about them scanning, probing, and going to the nth extreme.

Because unlike you, I feel that if I have nothing to hide, then whats the problem. If it impedes a little on my rights then so be it, that's the world we now live in. School kids have to walk through metal detectors when they go to school, i have to have my sports bag checked when I go to see a sports game, I hate it, but it is NOW a fact of life. Whinging about it all the time doesn't make it go away or improve anything except to raise your own blood pressure, so we just have to live with it. I know there will always be exceptions to this but generally I don't mind if its improving our safety, or at least trying to, then what's the problem.

back to the topic at hand.

"Why would you let Johnny Law to have so much authority and power over you?"

Because they are the police, they are empowered to have authority over me, direct me to follow instructions etc

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 28):
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):
If they, the police become aware of "other" things wrong with you or the car, why would it be unreasonable to take further action, even if that involved fines ?

I think they would be perfectly entitled to book you. Remember they are the police, they have a right to take action and should to, its there duty !

You have quoted me above in your post but haven't answered any of the points?

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 28):
Why do you feel the need to check your own sovereignty at the door of your home as you walk out? Although, I wonder if next you'll be advocating that the water police or cable tv security people have a right to enter your home to make sure you have legal connections.

MoltonRock, why are you so bitter about all this, lighten up !

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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:10 am

Quoting ProPilot83 (Reply 2):

Good question, I am not exactly sure, but I hope and pray to God that it will be a felony!

Wow. Just..... wow.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
This is awesome! It goes to show that since most states have not passed laws, the Feds had to take the problem in its own hands.

Except they can't, because each state is Constitutionally allowed to have its own traffic code.

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 12):
Some traffic specialists argue

I'm gonna pull a Wikipedia here, and ask which ones?

Some does not a fact make.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 14):
Yes, there's really no way to enforce those idiotic behaviors.

Sure there is. Enforce the current laws. It's like gun legislation.

If someone is swerving all over the road, pull them over and charge them with reckless driving.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
If the States do not begin to clean up their act on making our roads safer, then the only solution is to get the Feds involved.

Again, they can't.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 29):
Because unlike you, I feel that if I have nothing to hide, then whats the problem.

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Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."

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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:57 am

BC has had this law in effect since January with a 1 month grace period, and its about flippin' time. It still amazes me that self absorbed idiots still compare talking on the phone or texting on the phone with other distractions like taking a sip of their coffee or changing the radio station, spare me please.

There's no question that while driving you should be 100% focused on the road, but there is a HUGE difference between talking on the phone or changing a CD namely the actual time spent on either task is greatly different.

There's been studies done and there's been statistics done that show talking on the phone is equivalent to a BAC of XX but statistics are statistics. If you want real proof, spend 10-12 hours on the road day in and day out and observe and you'll be amazed how stupid and oblibvious drivers are while talking on the phone. I've seen cars slide through an icy intersection with a red light doing 360s with the phone STILL in their ear. I've been rear ended by a girl who was STILL in her car talking on the phone 5 minutes after she hit 4 other cars. I've seen people drive down the wrong side of a divided highway yakking on the phone. I've seen people sit at a green light trying to make a left turn from the right turn lane and the other way around totally oblivious to the people they cut off.

Anyone who actually thinks that they're not distracted while yakking on the phone should have their license revoked, they're obviously to stupid to drive ... period.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:31 am

There was a study that looked at accident data post-cell phone bans recently and they found not much difference:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2010-01-29-cell-phone_N.htm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 31):
There's no question that while driving you should be 100% focused on the road, but there is a HUGE difference between talking on the phone or changing a CD namely the actual time spent on either task is greatly different.

I think changing a CD is far more dangerous. You have to fiddle with the control, find somewhere to put the ejected CD, reach over and get the CD you want, push another button, etc.

For the record, I rarely do either. At the end of the day, people having heated arguments on the cell phone while driving are probably bad drivers that would crash even if they were paying complete attention to the road.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:38 am

Quoting aa757first (Reply 32):
I think changing a CD is far more dangerous. You have to fiddle with the control, find somewhere to put the ejected CD, reach over and get the CD you want, push another button, etc.

Total time less than a minute ... average phone call more than 5 minutes ... big difference. When you're playing with the radio or drinking your coffee and you just about hit something or run a red light, most people stop fiddling around (at least for a few minutes) and become more focused on the road ... on the other hand, people yakking on the phone STAY on the phone and keep yakking ... thats the problem.

Quoting aa757first (Reply 32):
At the end of the day, people having heated arguments on the cell phone while driving are probably bad drivers that would crash even if they were paying complete attention to the road.

I agree with that, but would also add that cell phone use makes bad drivers even worse  
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:49 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 23):

I don't think it's stupid, it's dangerous

You completely and totally missed the point of what I wrote.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 26):
Including city cops and highway patrol.

Unfortunately, they are legally exempt from the rules of the road when on duty. Its ridiculous too, because they do some really stupid stuff.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 26):
California banned them, and I've not noticed much of a difference with the way people drive. Not to mention I see at least 15-20 people drive while talking on their cells daily

I still see it, but not nearly as much as before. The proliferation of the Bluetooth earpiece has really cut down on the holding and talking.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 27):

If they, the police become aware of "other" things wrong with you or the car, why would it be unreasonable to take further action, even if that involved fines ?

Do you know what "piling on" is? Do you know what I was talking about there, because it wasn't about them becoming aware of some random new thing. Try reading again.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:51 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 31):
There's no question that while driving you should be 100% focused on the road, but there is a HUGE difference between talking on the phone or changing a CD namely the actual time spent on either task is greatly different.

So you readily accept studies which agree with your preconceived notions on the dangers of cell phone use while driving, but dismiss those same studies proving other activities are every bit as dangerous because they don't match your preconceived ideas on those. Quite a mental feat I must say.
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:55 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Unfortunately, they are legally exempt from the rules of the road when on duty. Its ridiculous too, because they do some really stupid stuff.

The RCMP in BC is also exempt from the law becuase they have "special" training ... wonder if they have "special" training for impaired driving too?  

Even more ridiculous though, even though we've had this law since January with a one month grace period (no fine/points), out of Province drivers are also exempt until after the Olympics  

Here's a thought BC ... if you're going to make a law then make it law and not exempt the tourists. If you want to be hospitable during the games and exempt them, then hold off on the law until after the games .... either a law applies to all or it doesn't.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:03 am

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 35):
So you readily accept studies which agree with your preconceived notions on the dangers of cell phone use while driving, but dismiss those same studies proving other activities are every bit as dangerous because they don't match your preconceived ideas on those.

No, I readily accept notions on what I see everyday on the road which is why I said ...

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 31):
If you want real proof, spend 10-12 hours on the road day in and day out and observe and you'll be amazed how stupid and oblibvious drivers are while talking on the phone.

... No where did I say that I accept studies or statistics. I could care less about studies and statistics to be honest, they're twisted around to what ever you want them to say anyways so they're worthless.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:07 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 36):

The RCMP in BC is also exempt from the law becuase they have "special" training ... wonder if they have "special" training for impaired driving too?

Such a joke. I think the penalty for doing it on duty should be wearing the dress uniform for a month.  
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 36):
Even more ridiculous though, even though we've had this law since January with a one month grace period (no fine/points), out of Province drivers are also exempt until after the Olympics
Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 36):
Here's a thought BC ... if you're going to make a law then make it law and not exempt the tourists. If you want to be hospitable during the games and exempt them, then hold off on the law until after the games .... either a law applies to all or it doesn't.

There are serious Charter issues with doing it that way. Equal protection and all. The one thing I can say is that tourists from outside Canada would likely just blow off the fine and wait out any statute of limitations issues before coming back to Canada.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:24 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
If the States do not begin to clean up their act on making our roads safer, then the only solution is to get the Feds involved. They will only get involved if the States dont do a thing about problems.

So, you're comfortable with the Federal government usurping the States' powers? Just because the States don't do something, doesn't mean the Federal governemnt has to. It means that the States have to be prodded into doing it by the electorate or, maybe the electorate doesn't want it done.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:09 pm

Next, they should ban texting/calling while walking. I have nearly run into a light pole while texting and have been run into more than once by people walking and talking. I have seen too many people just start wandering into traffic while they were on their phone. Ban iPods from use in public spaces, as well. With those ear buds in, people can not hear what is going on around them; they become distracted by the music or podcast and do not notice traffic or light poles or other people around them. Ban magazines and newspapers from being sold, as well. People read them while walking and commuting. Again, running into people and into traffic facing injury or death. Ban shoes. That causes people to be comfortable with walking and, as we can see, walking causes injury......

STOP THE INSANITY!!!!
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:22 pm

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 39):
So, you're comfortable with the Federal government usurping the States' powers?

Yes, if it promotes safety and saves lives, I support that. Make it a felony charge and the usage would drop dramatically. We have so many teenagers driving and not even following the basic rules of the road, I see it everyday. As a matter of fact, a 19 year old girl here in Colorado was found guilty of vehicular manslaughter (I think) when she hit a killed two people while driving recklessly. Me thinks she was on her phone......

The more we get these kinds of people off the road, the better. Including cell phone drivers. Your primary #1 task is to drive. If you want to talk or text, pull over and turn off the engine. I cannot get any more simple than that. Even a monkey knows to do that.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 40):
Next, they should ban texting/calling while walking.

I think you're going a bit too far on that tone, seb146. Talk about paranoia. That isn't going to happen and you know it.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:01 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
Make it a felony charge and the usage would drop dramatically.

No, the courts would rule it unconstitutional and cruel and unusual punishment.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
Yes, if it promotes safety and saves lives, I support that.

Would you also support stop-and-search without suspicion because it would promote safety (catch people with illegal weapons) and save lives (those weapons wouldn't be used against people)?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
We have so many teenagers driving and not even following the basic rules of the road, I see it everyday.

And that has little to do with cell phone usage and a lot to do with inadequate driver training. Did you know, here in AZ, they won't let you take your driver exam while it's raining? What a joke it is.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
Me thinks she was on her phone......

Do you have any sources to back that up, or are you prepared to trample all over the Constitution just because you don't like something and make up facts just to get your way?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
I think you're going a bit too far on that tone,

You're one to talk.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:56 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Do you know what "piling on" is? Do you know what I was talking about there, because it wasn't about them becoming aware of some random new thing. Try reading again.

"piling on" I think means extra/more fines/charges on top of the initial misdemeanor that you were first stopped for ?

Is that hat you mean ?
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:31 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 41):
Yes, if it promotes safety and saves lives,

Arguably,

illegal search and seizure saves lives.

How about regulating dissenting speech? That would cut down on conflict, thereby making us all safe and cozy. Don't forget religion. If we're all the same religion, we will all be safer.

Out right ban on guns? Go for it.

How about swift and instant punishment for any crime, without trial? Yup, that will make us all safe.

Quartering troops in our homes? Can't get safer than that.

Absurd, but there is a reason why the Federal government is restrained from doing what you say they should do in the name of our safety. It is to protect us from a government that is oppressive.

It is proper for the states to regulate their roads and the rules that govern travel on those roads. It is proper that the Federal government can regulate interstate commerce (an enumerated power, by the way) and the way that commerce travels on our roadways. It is not proper for the Federal government to assume the States' powers...ever.

What's that line from "The Revenge of the Sith"? So this is how liberty dies, to thunderous applause.

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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:49 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
You completely and totally missed the point of what I wrote.

No, I was agreeing with you, you missed the sarcasm. Not hard to do on a discussion forum.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 43):
"piling on" I think means extra/more fines/charges on top of the initial misdemeanor that you were first stopped for ?

The argument where I live is should it be a secondary offense, which it is now, or a primary offense, which it isn't now. My opinion has always been that driving is a privilege, not a right. People have to prove they can drive safely. I don't think they can drive safely talking on a cell phone or texting. I consider this much more like the arguement about freedom of choice with seat belt laws. Which are primary offenses where I live, and I agree with them. Just because in many places you can talk on a cell phone without getting a ticket doesn't mean you can do it safely. It' s not a freedom of speech violation not letting someone talk on a cell phone when driving. There are many other times you aren't allowed to do things vocally in public and it's not considered a freedom of speech violation.
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:09 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):
The argument where I live is should it be a secondary offense, which it is now, or a primary offense, which it isn't now.

Texting while driving should be a primary offense. Talking on the phone, especially via ahandsfree device should not, nor should it be illegal. We don't ticket folks for talking to a passenger or fiddling with the radio.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):
My opinion has always been that driving is a privilege, not a right.

Absolutely a privilege.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 45):
I consider this much more like the arguement about freedom of choice with seat belt laws

I don't. Not wearing a seatbelt does not endanger those around you in normal circumstance; texting while driving does. That's the difference. I don't think failure to wear a belt should be a primary offense; though not belting or putting your kid in a child-seat should be. I'm an adult and I can make my own decisions (for the record: I don't go down my driveway without belting in).
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:14 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 30):
If someone is swerving all over the road, pull them over and charge them with reckless driving.

Which means you'd have to pull over 25% of all drivers out there, very few people seem to be able to go in a straight line.

Or to make things easier just ban people in AZ and NV from driving altogether as they seem to be the worse when it comes to that     
 
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:07 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 46):
We don't ticket folks for talking to a passenger or fiddling with the radio.

I'm not sure what the ticket is called here, but you can get a ticket for doing that. When I used to live in MO it was called Careless and Imprudent driving. If your driving is erratic for whatever reason it is a ticket-able offense.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 46):
Talking on the phone, especially via ahandsfree device should not, nor should it be illegal.

I can see the other side of an argument that a hands free is safer. Both hands are/should be on or at least available to drive. When you don't have a handsfree they aren't. Safer doesn't necessarily mean safe for me or the driver talking on the phone.

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 46):
I don't think failure to wear a belt should be a primary offense; though not belting or putting your kid in a child-seat should be.

That's another debate for another day  
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RE: New Federal Law Coming Soon On Cell Phone!

Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:02 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
Would you also support stop-and-search without suspicion because it would promote safety (catch people with illegal weapons) and save lives (those weapons wouldn't be used against people)?

It would go against our 4th amendment rights.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
Do you have any sources to back that up

DenverPost.com I found the article yesterday, but now its gone. However, I speculated that she might have been using her phone while driving.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 42):
You're one to talk.

Same with seb146.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 47):
Or to make things easier just ban people in AZ and NV from driving altogether

Keep in mind that most of those people are from California!

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 44):

I think you are getting off topic a little bit here....and getting a bit too excited.... Calm down, bro.
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