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Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:24 pm

Scott Brown and four other Republicans voted for the Jobs Bill, and one Democrat voted against the Jobs Bill.


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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:25 pm

What's this? Massachusetts elected a Massachussetsan?*

You mean, they didn't elect a Jim DeMint or a Mitch McConnell?
You mean this isn't the obvious tide of "The American People" striking back at Democrat policies?

Let me whip out my shocked face for a second.


(* Yes, I know they're actually called Bay Staters.)
 
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Tue Feb 23, 2010 10:29 pm

Quoting ATTart (Thread starter):
Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil  

Going... Rogue? You mean not voting on party lines just because? I'm not sure why people are surprised, he even said in his campaign he would vote on both side of the aisle depending on what the issue was.

Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
(* Yes, I know they're actually called Bay Staters.)

I prefer:



  
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:46 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
What's this? Massachusetts elected a Massachussetsan?*

You mean, they didn't elect a Jim DeMint or a Mitch McConnell?
You mean this isn't the obvious tide of "The American People" striking back at Democrat policies?

Let me whip out my shocked face for a second.

I am shocked and appalled. Scott Brown's victory was supposed to be a giant middle finger to the Democratic Party, and here he is breaking party ranks. This is not the turning of the tide that I expected it to be. I am deeply ashamed at Scott Brown right now.   
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:29 am

So the man still wants to get re-elected. In order to do that he needs to be a little moderate, just the way he campaigned. Not really unexpected.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 3):
Scott Brown's victory was supposed to be a giant middle finger to the Democratic Party,

No, it was supposed to be a middle finger to the triumvirate trying to slam health care reform down our throats.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:39 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Not really unexpected.

I agree that it was expected, which was my point. On election night, republican fans were all about showing how this was proof that "The American People" want conservatives right now and that this was a changing tide towards the right. Well, Massachusetts has a long history of republicans that would in no way be electable south of Virginia. As you said, this moderation was expected.
 
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:43 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
So the man still wants to get re-elected. In order to do that he needs to be a little moderate, just the way he campaigned. Not really unexpected.

  


People seem to forget he wasn't far right to begin with and not only that but he was against the health care bill not because he cares about party lines but because it was a terrible bill. I haven't seen the jobs bill but I would probably vote for it too. One bill doesn't mean anything toward the other. Scott Brown has proven he can do something the Democrats can't. Think for himself.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:45 am

Brown never said he was a small-government, control-spending conservative. I don't see why people are so upset. He's a centrist Republican, called a RINO in some quarters. Better than a liberal, but in the same way that a bee sting is better than a rattlesnake bite.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:04 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
Scott Brown has proven he can do something the Democrats can't. Think for himself.

No need to paint with a broad brush. It does nothing to advance the discussion. I will agree that it does appear that Sen. Brown is thinking for himself and working for his state.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Brown never said he was a small-government, control-spending conservative. I don't see why people are so upset. He's a centrist Republican, called a RINO in some quarters. Better than a liberal, but in the same way that a bee sting is better than a rattlesnake bite.


The RINO label is one that has been applied far to widely. Apparently he is being painted as that for this vote. Any Republican can be and will be a RINO at some point if they are thinking person and answerable to their constituents. I don't say this to mean that Republican's are dumb or unthinking, but to say that everyone has slightly different priorities and items that they will focus on and that is the way any political party should be (except perhaps the Chinese Communist party and United Russia....).

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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs

Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:10 am

A RINO is applied to anyone voting against waiting for God to come back to America to help any American, or anyone who votes against sending a military they themselves dodged the draft on, to every country on the face of the planet to carry out war on behalf of the true "Republicans".

A real Republican politician/leader today would be disowned by Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Nixon as being a radical, uneducated, buffoon of which they are. Just ask the leaders of the Republican party Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sarah Palin.

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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:33 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
He's a centrist Republican, called a RINO in some quarters. Better than a liberal, but in the same way that a bee sting is better than a rattlesnake bite.

RINO is an idiotic label and the people calling it out are largely responsible for keeping away those of us who would otherwise join the party. Nobody is a true conservative if they support global military overreach, continued entitlement programming, and religiously-inspired laws that infringe on individual liberty.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:06 am

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
Not really unexpected.

I agree that it wasn't. My point is that a lot of people were painting this as a huge defeat for the Democrats and as the beginning of a movement toward the right in this country. As was expected by many of us, their doomsday predictions have failed to materialize.

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
I agree that it was expected, which was my point. On election night, republican fans were all about showing how this was proof that "The American People" want conservatives right now and that this was a changing tide towards the right. Well, Massachusetts has a long history of republicans that would in no way be electable south of Virginia. As you said, this moderation was expected.

     

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 10):
RINO is an idiotic label and the people calling it out are largely responsible for keeping away those of us who would otherwise join the party.

The Republican party made a huge mistake when it sold its soul to the religious right, and these accusations of RINO are keeping A LOT of people away from the party. In essence, it gives people the impression that unless you blindly tow the party line, you cannot be a true Republican.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:51 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
People seem to forget he wasn't far right to begin with

Yeah! You were one of them!
 
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:23 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 12):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):People seem to forget he wasn't far right to begin with
Yeah! You were one of them!

In the future, please refrain from posting facts. They make people uncomfortable.  
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:56 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 6):
Scott Brown has proven he can do something the Democrats can't. Think for himself.

Oh, and this comment deserves a big   . Don't even pretend for a second that Democrats aren't "thinking for themselves." Thinking for themselves and disagreeing with each other is why they couldn't pass health care with a supermajority. If you want to look at people who can't think for themselves, it's so incredibly clearly your beloved Republican party that votes NO without even thinking. They even vote no on the things they sponsored. Why? Because they can't think for themselves.

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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:54 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
Partisan Nick, you never fail to disappoint.

With all due respect, and we agree completely in this case, are you not just as partisan? You guys are literally heads and tails.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 4:04 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 14):
Partisan Nick, you never fail to disappoint.

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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:42 pm

Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 4):
No, it was supposed to be a middle finger to the triumvirate trying to slam health care reform down our throats.

I agree, that's the #1 reason Brown won. The Mass. voters knew the implications of their actions in this case and saw it as an easy way to check health care reform as Obama/Reid/Pelosi wanted it.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 11):
The Republican party made a huge mistake when it sold its soul to the religious right, and these accusations of RINO are keeping A LOT of people away from the party.

Amen to that. Both parties are guilty of playing to the extremes here. The Democrats go in search of the far left, and the Republicans go for the religious right. They both need to go after centrists, and the Democrats need to restrain themselves fiscally (well, so do the Republicans   and the Republicans need to lay off the religious crackpipe.
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:44 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
Democrats need to restrain themselves fiscally

Why? They pretty much have a blank check right now   
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 6:58 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 15):
are you not just as partisan? You guys are literally heads and tails.

If you think I am, you're entitled to your opinion. I think closer inspection will see that I do not tow the liberal line. I think for myself, and express my disagreements with them frequently. That this goes unnoticed does not surprise me.
 
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RE: Scott Brown Under Fire For Going Rogue On Jobs Bil

Wed Feb 24, 2010 10:31 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 17):
The Democrats go in search of the far left, and the Republicans go for the religious right.

I disagree with this opinion. I think, instead, what happens is the extremes from both sides come out screaming and invoke a few catchy words and phrases. The other extreme hears those catchy words and phrases and starts screaming even louder about how the other side is nuts because of their beliefs. They, then, tie in these extremists with the entire side and is snowballs from there.

Using this line of thinking, what I see is Harry Ried and Nancy Pelosi speaking. And, because they happen to have a (D) behind their names, people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Boener, and Palin start screaming about how that is how ignorant/out of touch everyone on the left is. People see that shouting going on and fire back with "Well, your people said these two from our party is ignorant/out of touch, associated it with the rest of us, so the rest of you must be nothing more than brainless sheeple" and so on and so forth to where it becomes a pointless shouting match. Who was it that said "I have met the enemy and they are us?"
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