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Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:16 am

OK, this was actually Sam's Club, but...

I needed a new Bible (this has nothing to do with religion!), and we happened to be shopping at Sam's Club when I thought about looking for a new one. I found one I liked for $14.88 and decided to buy it. One of the next stores we visited was Barnes & Noble, the famed seller of books. I decided to check out their selection while we were there anyway. One of the Bibles they had on the shelf was the exact same model I had just bought at Sam's Club. It was marked down to the B & N special price of $44.99! They had to come from the same factory. Why does B & N have to charge THREE TIMES as much?

-TLG

PS That is exactly why I shop at Wal-Mart/Sam's Club. Same product-usually lower price.
 
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:24 am

They print books in China now too?
 
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:33 am

Hey shop where ever you like, me, I never set foot in the place. I have my reasons but I won't mention them, this thread will just turn into a pissing contest otherwise.

Walmart does provide some entertainment though. http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
 
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:37 am

Quoting mham001 (Reply 1):
They print books in China now too?

If it came from a sweat shop in China with child labor, then that's where Barnes & Noble got it too.

Quoting T prop (Reply 2):
Hey shop where ever you like, me, I never set foot in the place. I have my reasons but I won't mention them,

So you would go to another store and pay 3 times as much for the exact same product? Why?

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:53 am

Quoting TLG (Reply 3):
So you would go to another store and pay 3 times as much for the exact same product? Why?

Maybe I'd go to Costco instead.

Do you think that maybe Barnes and Nobles not buying 3 million copies of the same book and have a pallet load of them sitting in the stockrooms of every store just may have something to do with the price difference? Of course being able to tell the manufacturer of a product what they are going to sell something to you for helps give a pricing advantage to.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:59 am

Quoting T prop (Reply 4):
have a pallet load of them sitting in the stockrooms of every store just may have something to do with the price difference?

Actually, Wal-Mart (and I would assume Sam's Club) keeps very little inventory in the stock rooms. Most of what they have is on the shelves, and a lot of the inventory in the stockrooms is seasonal things.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:37 am

I'll be loyal to Minnesota based Target instead. I've only been to Walmart three times in my life and Sam's Club probably once, bad experiences at Walmart. I don't even know the difference between Sam's Club and Walmart. And their commercials get very annoying.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:38 am

Quoting TLG (Thread starter):
I found one I liked for $14.88 and decided to buy it.

You could have gotten a ton of M&Ms for that.

On a serious note, I see B&N has quite a large selection of reasonably priced bibles online and, although I would expect them to be a little pricier (and rightfully so imo), I'm a little skeptical they would be charging 3x more than Wallyworld for an identical book. Perhaps there was a difference in editions or covers hard/soft - or even a simple pricing error on either side, who knows. I'm almost tempted to go look myself. Almost  
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:43 am

Maybe I'm a little indifferent, but I really couldn't care less about how and under what terms a product gets to the shelf. If one retailer is selling an identical product cheaper than another retailer, they will get my business.

FWIW, the Bible was printed in Colombia.

Quoting flood (Reply 7):
I'm almost tempted to go look myself. Almost  

If you seriously want to check it out, just say the word and I'll give you the ISBN. I didn't check B & N online; maybe it is cheaper there.

-TLG

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:44 am

When I go to B&N I always head to the Bargain Book section. Best sellers of yesterday for $5 or $6, less my 10%. I'll also buy the best sellers of writers I follow when I can get 40% off as they are about the same price as Sam's.

One key about Sam's is that they often buy one off job lots and clear them out. We get some good deals on a lot of items, but still find some grocery stores offering double coupons to be cheaper. It's amazing that it pays to subscribe to the newspaper if you use the coupons. ANd my wife was born in Scotland.  
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:54 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Actually, Wal-Mart (and I would assume Sam's Club) keeps very little inventory in the stock rooms. Most of what they have is on the shelves, and a lot of the inventory in the stockrooms is seasonal things.

And if not in the stores then these items are in their distribution centers which quickly re-stock the stores. Actually Walmart is brutally efficient when it comes to this and pretty much every thing else they do. There is a reason 4 of the top 10 wealthiest people in the US are Waltons.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:23 am

Quoting TLG (Reply 8):
FWIW, the Bible was printed in Colombia.

I didn't know we printed bibles to export here...
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:01 am

Quoting T prop (Reply 4):
Maybe I'd go to Costco instead.

Do you think that maybe Barnes and Nobles not buying 3 million copies of the same book and have a pallet load of them sitting in the stockrooms of every store just may have something to do with the price difference? Of course being able to tell the manufacturer of a product what they are going to sell something to you for helps give a pricing advantage to.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Actually, Wal-Mart (and I would assume Sam's Club) keeps very little inventory in the stock rooms. Most of what they have is on the shelves, and a lot of the inventory in the stockrooms is seasonal things.
Quoting T prop (Reply 10):
And if not in the stores then these items are in their distribution centers which quickly re-stock the stores. Actually Walmart is brutally efficient when it comes to this and pretty much every thing else they do. There is a reason 4 of the top 10 wealthiest people in the US are Waltons.

Walmart (and in tun Sam's Club) has several other tricks to minimize costs. One trick is that if the stock does not sell they return it to the supplier for a refund. They are brutal.

I used to work for a company that was almost bankrupted by that little clause in the contract. They were a dedicated little company (Christian based company from the founders) that probably should have known better but misunderstood that Walmart would do nothing to push the product, they did no advertising to promote/sell the product (you had to "buy into" Walmart's marketing or do it yourself). The company I worked for gave Walmart the lowest mark up possible (something on the order of 4% margin) in order to just get it into Walmart because you HAD to be there to reach our customers. I guess they assumed it would be like others sales they did with other companies. Then at the end of the season, about half the product was returned back to us and to add insult to injury we were charged the return shipping cost as well.

The company almost went broke over it and it took years to recover from that "sale" (along with staff reductions, salary reductions, no bonuses, etc.). It was very bad. Ever since Walmart did that to "my" little "American made" company (OK my employer but I took it personally) I have disdain for Walmart. I realize it is business and that my employer should have done a better job of reviewing how the terms of the contact would be interpreted and applied but it made me not like Walmart.

I have shopped there occasionally but I hold my nose when I do it and I avoid it anytime I can (which is almost always).

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:23 am

The superstore Walmart here is open 24/7 and it has everything I need. Everything in this town closes before it even opens so the store is a great place for all the college kids to shop.

I love the place.

I shop for all my ethnic foods at a special store.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:27 am

Walmart is ok in cities where their are plenty of other shops etc and so provide some competion. Where Walmart (and other similar stores around the world) are bad is when they plonk a big huge superstore in a smaller town (or more likely on the outskirts of town) and take away all the business from the local community who have no hope of competing. Sure the shoppers can save a few bucks, but after a couple of years when businesses etc start to close down there isn't much money floating around and it affects the whole town. The Walmarts of the world ship most of their money back to HQ in effect draining the local communities. Like I said this is fine in a city as there is the population and competition to support it, just not the small cities/towns.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:51 am

Quoting T prop (Reply 4):
Do you think that maybe Barnes and Nobles not buying 3 million copies of the same book and have a pallet load of them sitting in the stockrooms of every store just may have something to do with the price difference? Of course being able to tell the manufacturer of a product what they are going to sell something to you for helps give a pricing advantage to.

I'm from UK and I heard about walmart, and how they treat their employees, and I think it's disgusting. Like Recently they talked about taking bets on employees dieing and got health insurance for the company so the company makes money but not a penny to the employee.
It's annoying that walmart bought out UK's ASDA Stores...but we have Tesco, Sainsbury's, Morrisons that are just as big  

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:16 am

Quoting fca767 (Reply 15):

I'm from UK and I heard about walmart, and how they treat their employees, and I think it's disgusting. Like Recently they talked about taking bets on employees dieing and got health insurance for the company so the company makes money but not a penny to the employee.

We've been watching too many Michael Moore movies, haven't we?

The idea that someone can actually make money by buying a whole bunch of life insurance policies is moronic at best. It is like saying you are going to "invest" your money by going to Vegas and gambling it all away on the ponies. By definition life insurance policies are priced so that, on average, the only entity making money is the life insurer (as they should, just as a casino should be the ones making the money, as they are the ones making the market and taking on the risk). Do you actually think Wal-Mart became the largest company in the world starting from a little general store in Bentonville, Arkansas by taking such stupid risks?
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:51 am

If we had a Walmart here..I'd shop there. Who cares if something is made in China..things are so cheap in Walmart (compared to other stores)..

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:58 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 12):
They were a dedicated little company (Christian based company from the founders)

Just out of plain curiosity, what does that have to do with anything (the christian based part)?

Publix got too expensive for me, so we shop at WalMart. I hate it, but for the time being that's what we're gonna have to do to save a few bucks on groceries.
 
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:08 pm

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 6):
I'll be loyal to Minnesota based Target instead.

I found I pay 50 cents to $1 more at Target to get the same thing with less attitude and better clientele. Plus, Target here is closer.

TLG: Your profile does not say where exactly you live, but there are many locally owned bookstores that sell quality books, sometimes even new, for very reasonable prices. Since you mention both Sams Club and B&N, I assume you are in a city. I would have looked around at a local store. Just a thought.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:25 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
Do you actually think Wal-Mart became the largest company in the world starting from a little general store in Bentonville, Arkansas by taking such stupid risks?

No, they made their money by consolidating:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
they plonk a big huge superstore in a smaller town (or more likely on the outskirts of town) and take away all the business from the local community who have no hope of competing.
....

The Walmarts of the world ship most of their money back to HQ in effect draining the local communities.

They grew by taking billions of dollars from local communities and shipping it back to Bentonville. The idea is effective, and a great business idea but it does damage to many communities (which is why there is a backlash, of course most communities can't do anything and people can't not buy at lower prices).

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 18):
Just out of plain curiosity, what does that have to do with anything (the christian based part)?

They were a little simplistic in their business practices, they practiced a certain ethic in their business which was based on certain values and they practiced them "religiously". That is to say they did not think that Walmart, that great American company, based on the heart of the bible belt south, would do damage to them. They thought it was a company with a great culture and a great respect for those they did business with (remember all the "Walmart buys American, and works hard to do so, we saved this American company "X" by working with them." commercials years ago?) This was years ago before everyone knew that Walmart was the biggest, baddest, toughest company around, that would do anything for its profit.

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:53 pm

Why I hate WalMart (and Sam's, by association):

1) The stores are not pleasant places. Every WalMart I have ever been in has a trashy feel to it, with a cluttered feel and poor layout. The stores seem to act as magnets for a certain element of society that I prefer not to shop with. In the county I grew up in, there are three WalMart stores. Each of those stores is included in the top-5 sites that police are called to. I know several people who's first ever car break-ins or even muggings occurred outside WalMart stores. Compared with Target and Fred Meyer (a similar chain the Pacific Northwest), WalMart is easily the least pleasant experience.

2) WalMart does not respect the communities it enters. In my hometown, WalMart sued and sued and sued until the county commissioners finally let them build. In another nearby town in a national scenic area, WalMart has sued and sued and sued to be able to build a monstrous store 1/4 mile away from their existing store (which would then be abandoned and sit vacant). This is a company that will go to any length to force its way into a community, regardless of the environmental impacts. Which leads me to,

3) WalMart contributes to suburban sprawl. I can't tell you how many places I've seen WalMart build a store, just to abandon it 4-5 years when they decide to build a "Supercenter" right next door or across the street. Not only is more land torn up for the development, but in each case I've seen, the original WalMart then stands vacant as an empty building surrounded by a sea of parking.

4) In smaller communities especially, WalMart underprices local shops and puts these people out of business. In small towns across America, the little downtowns have been abandoned in favor of huge big-boxes on the outside of town. In many small towns, there's nowhere to buy underwear or a CD unless you want to go to WalMart. I don't like the idea of one company having so much pricing power, and I enjoy vibrant towns rather than ones that die at 5:00.

Frankly, I don't mind spending 1-2% extra to go to a store that is pleasant, feels safe, and where I am more in line with their business practices. In most cases, the goods are better quality anyways.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:22 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 20):
The idea is effective, and a great business idea but it does damage to many communities

Companies aren't in business for the community, they exist to make money, which Wal-Mart is pretty good at.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):
The stores seem to act as magnets for a certain element of society that I prefer not to shop with.

That is very true, but it is the price one must pay to save money. I do go to Target as well, but (at least for the local store) they don't offer the selection of Walmart.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):
In my hometown, WalMart sued and sued and sued until the county commissioners finally let them build.

What is wrong with a company going to court to get what it wants?

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):
WalMart contributes to suburban sprawl.

What's wrong with suburban sprawl?

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):
WalMart underprices local shops and puts these people out of business.

That is the way they do business, and money talks. Economics rules, and if there is no business case you go out of business, no matter how long you have been there.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:25 pm

Quoting T prop (Reply 2):
me, I never set foot in the place. I have my reasons but I won't mention them, this thread will just turn into a pissing contest otherwise.

Ditto and rwSEA has a lot of reasons, just like me, why I can't support that corporation
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:36 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 17):
Who cares if something is made in China..things are so cheap in Walmart (compared to other stores)..

Ask your neighbour who is unemployed what he thinks of jobs / manufacturing / supply, being outsourced to China?
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:18 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
What's wrong with suburban sprawl?

It's bad for the environment in many ways, and further, it's very expensive for taxpayers to subsidize.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:30 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
Companies aren't in business for the community, they exist to make money, which Wal-Mart is pretty good at.

I would agree with you, except that Wal-Mart claims to be involved in enhancing the communities it opens stores in.

I had a cousin who worked at a wal-mart, and apparently the number of items thrown out every day is worth thousands. Perfectly good items thrown out, not even recycled, because they are returned items. Instead of donating them to charity, or restocking the returned items, they choose to throw it out. Great environmental and ethical practice.
If anyone is interested in watching a documentary that looks deeper into Wal Mart practices, watch Wal Mart: The high cost of Low price.

Anyway, I also refuse to set foot into the store. There are a lot of alternatives to buying cheaper products.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:40 pm

If its not for Walmart, half of Carbondale would be jobless. Really good thing they are here.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:49 pm

I remember in high school, my calculus teacher said that Sam Walton, who was a HS drop-out, actually had a pretty good grasp of calculus, at least the idea of a second derivative.

He said that if you graph out the number of widgets sold, it usually assumes an S-shaped curve in which there's a slow pick-up, then a state of rapid increase in sales, and then it begins to level off. The point at which the rate of sale stops increasing and starts to level off is where the 2nd derivative of the total sales graph becomes negative. If you can identify that point and order a number of widgets equal to the total number you've already sold, you will run out of widgets just about the time that demand runs out. This is one important way that Wal-Mart keeps costs down, they don't over-order.

Wal-Mart does need to work on their ethical practices. There are a number of things they could do that would cost very little, but would help to reduce their negative impact. But on the other hand, they have had to answer to public outcry about their practices and they, like Starbucks, have improved.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:19 pm

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 25):
It's bad for the environment in many ways, and further, it's very expensive for taxpayers to subsidize.

So you are more concerned about the environment than people living a good life? what a joke   
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:32 pm

Quoting Tugger (Reply 12):

You guys should look up what Wal-Mart did to pickle packer Vlasic.   

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 22):
Wal-Mart is pretty good at.

The reason why Wal-Mart is good at making money is because they belittle and cheat their suppliers. See: Vlasic.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 17):
things are so cheap in Walmart

The crap Wal-Mart sells is cheap, pathetic junk (except the grocery side) that does not last very long. It's all Target for me.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:37 pm

Quoting flanker (Reply 29):
So you are more concerned about the environment than people living a good life? what a joke

Do you think that Everglades National Park is a good thing?

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:48 pm

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 24):
Ask your neighbour who is unemployed what he thinks of jobs / manufacturing / supply, being outsourced to China?

I'm pretty sure stuff sold in other stores are made in China too. Sure they're a bit more classy..but for stuff like t-shirts and groceries I'd shop at a Wal mart.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
The crap Wal-Mart sells is cheap, pathetic junk (except the grocery side) that does not last very long. It's all Target for me.

The Target in this country is slightly better than K-mart..but its still the same, cheap (but overpriced) junk. Most of my clothes come from Target..and they don't last very long at all. I have a few pairs of trousers that were unusable after one wash...$45 gone down the drain.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:14 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
The crap Wal-Mart sells is cheap, pathetic junk (except the grocery side) that does not last very long. It's all Target for me.

Same tools,tv's, computers, automotive parts,pizzas, meat, drinks, meds, bath stuff..etc..

THE JACK LINKS BEEF JERKY 3.50$ at Walmart, Everywhere else over 5 bucks.

your point doesn't make sense.

Not to mention the fresh French loaf bread that they have. Quite a nice change from the cut bread.

While i enjoy Target, its overpriced.

The only significant thing i like about Target is that i can buy cheap condoms. 12 pack for 6 bucks.

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Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:16 pm

Quoting flanker (Reply 29):
So you are more concerned about the environment than people living a good life? what a joke

   Maybe we should just all go back to living in caves.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
The reason why Wal-Mart is good at making money is because they belittle and cheat their suppliers.

Nobody is forcing the suppliers to work with Walmart, and they can walk whenever they like. Of course, if they do, the people who shop at Walmart will buy whatever different brand is on the shelves.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 24):
Ask your neighbour who is unemployed what he thinks of jobs / manufacturing / supply, being outsourced to China?

I don't care. Economic reality is what it is, and if China can produce the same item for less cost, they rightfully should get the job and not outsourcing to preserve some old and probably mythical ideal is pointless and more importantly, not profitable.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
The crap Wal-Mart sells is cheap, pathetic junk (except the grocery side) that does not last very long.

In some cases that is true, but for many other things there is no appreciable difference. Band-Aids from Walmart are the same as Band-Aids from other stores, save the price.
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:26 pm

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Sure the shoppers can save a few bucks, but after a couple of years when businesses etc start to close down there isn't much money floating around and it affects the whole town.

Makes towns poor. . .so it should also affect Wal Mart, right? It would be an unsustainable business model. Do we hear Wal Mart massively closing stores a few years after they open? I don't. That logic is flawed.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 20):
They grew by taking billions of dollars from local communities and shipping it back to Bentonville. The idea is effective, and a great business idea but it does damage to many communities

As said above, that makes no sense.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):

2) WalMart does not respect the communities it enters. In my hometown, WalMart sued and sued and sued until the county commissioners finally let them build. In another nearby town in a national scenic area, WalMart has sued and sued and sued to be able to build a monstrous store 1/4 mile away from their existing store (which would then be abandoned and sit vacant). This is a company that will go to any length to force its way into a community, regardless of the environmental impacts. Which leads me to,

Why the hell must someone sue to build a store? This is the ridiculous thing here.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):

3) WalMart contributes to suburban sprawl. I can't tell you how many places I've seen WalMart build a store, just to abandon it 4-5 years when they decide to build a "Supercenter" right next door or across the street. Not only is more land torn up for the development, but in each case I've seen, the original WalMart then stands vacant as an empty building surrounded by a sea of parking.

Hahaha. You know what contributes, or rather created in the first place, urban sprawl? The the government's highway systems. If you don't like sprawl like I don't like it, don't blame Wal Mart.


Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):
1) The stores are not pleasant places. Every WalMart I have ever been in has a trashy feel to it, with a cluttered feel and poor layout. The stores seem to act as magnets for a certain element of society that I prefer not to shop with. In the county I grew up in, there are three WalMart stores. Each of those stores is included in the top-5 sites that police are called to. I know several people who's first ever car break-ins or even muggings occurred outside WalMart stores. Compared with Target and Fred Meyer (a similar chain the Pacific Northwest), WalMart is easily the least pleasant experience.

You need to go to one of the nicer stores they have. There's one close to where I live that is comparable to a Target.

As for safety, that depends on the area.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 21):
4) In smaller communities especially, WalMart underprices local shops and puts these people out of business. In small towns across America, the little downtowns have been abandoned in favor of huge big-boxes on the outside of town. In many small towns, there's nowhere to buy underwear or a CD unless you want to go to WalMart. I don't like the idea of one company having so much pricing power, and I enjoy vibrant towns rather than ones that die at 5:00.

You forget that Wal Mart still has limited pricing power, even in those towns. If Wal Mart raises prices this gives an incentive for competitors to pop up all around. They don't want that, so they can't abuse pricing power.

Some people should have gotten Fs in their econ 101 classes. (if they have ever taken one)

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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:28 pm

The Great Grocery Smackdown - Will Walmart, not Whole Foods, save the small farm and make America healthy?
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:32 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 35):
Some people should have gotten Fs in their econ 101 classes. (if they have ever taken one)

A lot of people rely on Michael Moore for their views. Instead of common sense.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:37 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 36):
The Great Grocery Smackdown - Will Walmart, not Whole Foods, save the small farm and make America healthy?

Thats how the one around here looks like, except it doest have as big of a produce celection.

The one thing i have not been able to find in any supermarket around Carbondale,IL is dill and gairdinara..

why i don't know.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:39 pm

Quoting fca767 (Reply 15):
I'm from UK and I heard about walmart, and how they treat their employees, and I think it's disgusting.

It can't be any worse than Tesco or Lidl treats its employees over here.         
 
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 10:36 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 36):
The Great Grocery Smackdown

From your link:

"I wished I’d bought the identical Promised Land milk at Whole Foods, to see if there is in fact a difference in the branded food products that suppliers give Walmart, as there is in the case of other branded products."

This was one of the arguments used by those who led the opposition to having a WalMart open near where I live a few years back (and I agreed with their basic premise besides the merchandise quality claims—the site was too close to a historic neighborhood, and would have brought too much traffic over a bridge in need of repair). One example was that sure, you could buy the same brand of TV for less at WalMart, but it would be a more basic model with less features, such as fewer inputs, etc., not something a casual shopper would always notice or be able to properly value the difference.

(The store was never built.)

I do buy store brand meds from WalMart, but I won't make a special trip. But if I'm driving by, I'll pick up their private label version of Aleve and a bottle or two of Tide. Their "Great Value" plastic wrap is also something I like, and prefer it to Saran Wrap. Nowhere on any of the packaging can I find any notices that they were made outside of the USA—the private label Aleve is probably made in Puerto Rico where there are huge brand-name pharma operations, and that doesn't bother me one bit.

Their Customer Service center is also tops. They cashed a check for me for $2,500 at 10pm one night without batting an eye, and didn't charge me a single cent for the service. I was only asked to wait for a moment for them to get more cash, since they didn't keep that amount in the till at that hour.

Otherwise, there isn't much merchandise or brands they carry that I'd actually want to buy. I don't need a gallon jar of pickles that'll go bad before I can use it up, and wouldn't want to waste the space in my fridge to hold it even if I could. But then, I've the same problem with a lot of things at Costco.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:20 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
One example was that sure, you could buy the same brand of TV for less at WalMart, but it would be a more basic model with less features, such as fewer inputs, etc., not something a casual shopper would always notice or be able to properly value the difference.

I have never noticed any product differences.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
Their Customer Service center is also tops. They cashed a check for me for $2,500 at 10pm one night without batting an eye, and didn't charge me a single cent for the service. I was only asked to wait for a moment for them to get more cash, since they didn't keep that amount in the till at that hour.

Haven't cashed a check with them but have bought their money orders. Far better deal than your bank.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 40):
Otherwise, there isn't much merchandise or brands they carry that I'd actually want to buy. I don't need a gallon jar of pickles that'll go bad before I can use it up, and wouldn't want to waste the space in my fridge to hold it even if I could. But then, I've the same problem with a lot of things at Costco.

Same here actually. I only occasionally go there, often late at night and usually just to pick up small things.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting flanker (Reply 29):
So you are more concerned about the environment than people living a good life? what a joke

Do you define a good life as living in a cracker-jack box that is indistinguishable from the one next door, and the only way to get there is to sit in 30-miles of stop and go traffic? Oh, and this is all made possible by tearing down forests and levelling hillsides? That's what I see, and I am more interested in preserving the environment than subsidizing these expensive and hugely inefficient developments.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 35):
Why the hell must someone sue to build a store? This is the ridiculous thing here.

In the first case, it was because the proposed store was one of the top-5 most congested intersections in the state, and the area simply couldn't handle any more traffic. WalMart eventually won, and the intersection eventually became even more gridlocked. Taxpayers are now on the hook for $100M+ of interchange improvements. So, the 5 cents you're saving on that package of light bulbs is now being paid in the form of extra gas taxes to fund the improvements. As someone who doesn't shop at WalMart and never will, I don't appreciate my tax dollars going to fix the mess that they are creating.

In the second case, WalMart wanted to abandon a 10-year old store and move about 1000 feet down the road to build a new "supercenter" on the hillside in a national scenic area. The community eventually prevailed in this case. As someone who has an appreciation for nature, I don't like the idea of a hideous store surrounded by parking to be build in an environmentally sensitive area in a national scenic area that should be protected (and just to leave an empty abandoned building 1,000 feet away).

Quoting flanker (Reply 38):
The one thing i have not been able to find in any supermarket around Carbondale,IL is dill and gairdinara..

why i don't know.

Is that because Walmart has put other stores out of business, or perhaps prevented others from entering the marketplace? This is the whole problem with monopolies like Walmart - they limit your choice.
 
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Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:50 pm

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 42):
In the first case, it was because the proposed store was one of the top-5 most congested intersections in the state, and the area simply couldn't handle any more traffic. WalMart eventually won, and the intersection eventually became even more gridlocked. Taxpayers are now on the hook for $100M+ of interchange improvements. So, the 5 cents you're saving on that package of light bulbs is now being paid in the form of extra gas taxes to fund the improvements. As someone who doesn't shop at WalMart and never will, I don't appreciate my tax dollars going to fix the mess that they are creating.

Ah but it's not just WalMart that creates messes like that. And like before, a lot of this problem is due to how we handle our highway systems. I agree it is externalizing costs and creates trouble, and maybe WalMart is a result of this, but we cannot blame it.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 42):
n the second case, WalMart wanted to abandon a 10-year old store and move about 1000 feet down the road to build a new "supercenter" on the hillside in a national scenic area. The community eventually prevailed in this case. As someone who has an appreciation for nature, I don't like the idea of a hideous store surrounded by parking to be build in an environmentally sensitive area in a national scenic area that should be protected (and just to leave an empty abandoned building 1,000 feet away).

The community should have purchased the land and protected it rather than waiting for someone to buy it for development and then take it away from them through messy, forceful legal action. And the building could and most likely would have been used for something else, so I wouldn't use the word abandoned.

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 42):
Is that because Walmart has put other stores out of business, or perhaps prevented others from entering the marketplace? This is the whole problem with monopolies like Walmart - they limit your choice.

Not monopolies and their only way to fight new entrants is to raise barriers to entry that are available and fair game to any participant. Unless you mean buying up corrupt politicians and judges to legally keep them out, sort of like many desperate anti-WalMart groups do.

Another interesting article:

If You Sell Wine, Then Let Me Sell Cheese

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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:02 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 35):
You know what contributes, or rather created in the first place, urban sprawl? The the government's highway systems. If you don't like sprawl like I don't like it, don't blame Wal Mart.

But, you have to admit: Wal-Mart contributes to it. Back in Gresham (on the east side of PDX) Wal-mart wanted to build a store on the site of a former grocery store. No one else wanted it but the company did. The city didn't want it because the streets around it would be clogged. The people didn't want it because the streets around it would be clogged. I think, anymore, Wal-Mart builds based on the "if you build it, they will come" business model. One half-way good idea was when they set up shop in PDT. They bought the land of the former furnature mill and built a store there. They did put some of the former mill employees back to work. The state put in an intersection on the back side of the store across the railroad tracks. The down side was K-Mart closed and Penny's and other local merchants are barely holding on.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:25 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 44):
But, you have to admit: Wal-Mart contributes to it.

I've never had to drive far to get to a WalMart. To a COSTCO yes, but not to a Walmart.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 44):
The city didn't want it because the streets around it would be clogged. The people didn't want it because the streets around it would be clogged.
Quoting seb146 (Reply 44):
The state put in an intersection on the back side of the store across the railroad tracks.

This is what happens when you claim it's the state's responsibility to built infrastructure. This type of thing should be funded by the developer, not the taxpayer. WalMart may have a very efficient supply chain, but they are not considering the costs of basic infrastructure fully when someone else is paying it for them.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:41 am

Quoting flanker (Reply 33):

My point makes a lot of sense. Look at what Wal-Crap did to Vlasic.... Google search it.

And you missed one thing I wrote....

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
(except the grocery side)

Except the grocery side....

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 34):
Nobody is forcing the suppliers to work with Walmart, and they can walk whenever they like. Of course, if they do, the people who shop at Walmart will buy whatever different brand is on the shelves.

Well.... see below....

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 35):
You forget that Wal Mart still has limited pricing power, even in those towns. If Wal Mart raises prices this gives an incentive for competitors to pop up all around. They don't want that, so they can't abuse pricing power.

   Wal-Crap has a lot of leverage... Lots of it.... see below again...

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 35):
Some people should have gotten Fs in their econ 101 classes. (if they have ever taken one)

I have a friend of mine who write a thesis paper for his University of Colorado Economics class. He chose the topic about Wal-Mart vs. Vlasic. The short story goes something like this: Wal-Mart wanted to keep prices low regardless of their supplier's bottom line on producing said item. Now, Vlasic told Wal-Mart that selling the king size pickle jars (The costco size-a-roo) would not help Vlasic's bottom line at $3.50 a jar. Vlasic wanted to sell the pickles for a much reasonable and of course, higher price. I think it was $9 or something like that. Wal-Mart wouldn't budge and threatened to either accept Wal-Mart's bid or they'll smear the Vlasic name and go with someone else. Vlasic did not want to lose money on the bid (they still did, IMO...) and Vlasic still has the contract today.

Wal-Mart's pricing power is a bit ruthless and very anti-competitive. Vlasic almost went out of business because their bottom line was going down the drain and they had to make huge cuts and sacrafices including cutting staff.

Heck, Wal-Crapola does not pay their employees a fair wage nor did they ever really give their employees benefits.   

I'll take Target over Wal-Crap any day.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 32):
Most of my clothes come from Target..and they don't last very long at all. I have a few pairs of trousers that were unusable after one wash...$45 gone down the drain.

As a former Target employee.... sorry to hear that. Perhaps you did not wash them correctly? Most of the trousers we sold were dry clean only. And I believe Target still sells them that way.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:43 am

Quoting rwSEA (Reply 42):
Is that because Walmart has put other stores out of business, or perhaps prevented others from entering the marketplace? This is the whole problem with monopolies like Walmart - they limit your choice.

LOL...keep dreaming. Dill is seasonal and I don't know why giardianara isn't sold around here. Subway doesn't even offer it.
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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:10 pm

I'll begrudgingly shop at Wal-Mart.

I can handle purchasing things like light bulbs, cleaners, canned goods/snacks, etc. from them, but I will not buy their meat or produce.

If I'm in the market for housewares or home decor, I usually like Target. They have nice, trendy things that don't cost that much.

The biggest turn-off for me in regards to Wal-Mart is the clientele. Ugh.

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RE: Why I Love Wal-Mart

Mon Mar 01, 2010 4:04 pm

Man, I know what you mean. I hate Wal-Mart for 99% of the things they have. They only thing I ever buy from there is makeup. Their clothes, groceries, whatever, all suck and are of such low-quality. But for example, the same makeup item (my foundation) is $19.99 at Shoppers Drug Mart. At Wal-Mart, it's $13.18. AMAZING! My mom HATES Wal-Mart and refuses to shop there. She describes it as a zoo, which it usually is. And it's far too big as well!

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