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The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:59 am

Been looking at information on the new iPad from Apple ( http://www.apple.com/ipad/#video ) and have to admit that it's more than a little impressive.

Do I lust for one? Probably. OK, yes.

Will I get one? Not immediately.

Eventually? Probably.

What I need to do first is figure out everything that I'll have on it, compared to an iPhone or a 13" MacBook Pro.

And I'll wait until rev b. And I actually want an iChat camera included.

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:23 am

It's a big iPod Touch, which I already have. So no.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:24 am

Even if I could afford it, I wouldn't.

It's just an overpriced iTouch/iPhone that's a bit bigger and heavier, which is pointless. They have the MacBooks for that.

I like apple products, but they do have a cult following almost and I'm not that much of a fan. I loved my MacBook but I'd never buy one again unless I NEEDED one.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:48 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
It's just an overpriced iTouch/iPhone that's a bit bigger and heavier, which is pointless. They have the MacBooks for that.

Bingo. But of corse, there are those that NEED it because it will be THE best thing ever!

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
I like apple products, but they do have a cult following almost and I'm not that much of a fan. I loved my MacBook but I'd never buy one again unless I NEEDED one.

Considering the fact im on my second Macbook Pro thats on its way out, I am done with Apple. Both of these laptops are 4 years old and are already dying. Thats unacceptable.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:48 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
It's a big iPod Touch, which I already have. So no.

im inclined to follow your logic, but my birthday is coming up soon and my girlfriend (whom i spent a significant amount of money on for her birthday for my income) has asked me repetetively if i like the new iPad, so who knows....
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:46 am

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
It's a big iPod Touch

That is basically the same conclusion I came to. I was looking at a 12 inch netbook, or an IPad. The IPad had a lot of nice features, but I hoping it was more of a scaled down MacBook, not a scaled up Iphone/touch. I ended up going with a netbook instead.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:58 am

I can do more with a brand new notebook at a lower price.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:15 am

Thank you, but I'd rather buy myself a new iMac than the iPad.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:28 am

I was looking at the video on the apple website... I didn't buy the whole "oh - my - god, this thing is the best thing since... well... life itself!" tone... and at 1:17 the video, most likely not on purpose, shows one of the ipads major problems: the guy scrolls up and down a web page, and suddenly there it is, blink and you'll miss it: the infamous little cube with a question mark, showing this device is incapable of playing flash...

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:31 am

My iPhone 3G is pretty annoying to use. There's a definite lag time before it does basic functions, like open an app or allow me to enter data. I'd have to be pretty assured that the iPad is powerful enough to give me a seamless user experience before I'd spend that kind of money.

Also, for me, it would be primarily an entertainment device. The beauty of the iPhone is that it fits in my pocket and, with my wallet and keys, goes where I go. The size of the iPad makes it impractical for any sort of advice that you don't plan ahead to take.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:39 am

I think it's interesting, but no so far, and I'm an Apple addict from way back when. From like the Apple Macintosh II....

That said, it is seriously annoying how much attention and hype Apple is getting from this.

Others have made touchscreen multi-use pads and tablet-PCs years ago. Sony had one years ago that ran a version of Windows, had Wi-Fi, programmable infrared to interact with home TV/Stereos, etc.

The only thing new is the 3G (for that version), it's an Apple, and how thin it is.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:55 am

I am definitely going to buy one.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
It's a big iPod Touch

Technically, yes. But thanks to the fact that it is bigger, the possible uses are much different. That's what I will use it for:

- couch computer. The iPhone is too small for some sites I want to check out when in my living room, and a MacBook is definitely too large to reside on the couch or on the living room table. Yes, I'm lazy, I could as well move to the office room and check the site out on my real computer, but hey, they invented the iPad and I'm right in the target

- train TV / news reader. During train trips I often take for work, I watch movies and read my RSS newsfeeds. The iPhone is too small to comfortably watch a movie or read news for a long time, and I don't need the MacBook on all work trips. The iPad fills the gap

- newspaper reader. I'm starting to hate the paper format of newspapers. My hope is that more and more newspapers will have iPad apps. I'll gladly pay the subscription to have my newspaper in iPad format, which is much more comfortable

Of course, the iPad is not for everyone. By all means, if you don't see a need for it, don't buy it. But as far as I'm concerned, I'm already addicted to it even before having seen one in real life  
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:59 am

I'd rather eat my own head than spend money on that pointless bit of rubbish. I'll have a decent real computer instead please.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:19 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12):
I'd rather eat my own head than spend money on that pointless bit of rubbish. I'll have a decent real computer instead please.

  

What a total and utter waste of money. By the time we get it here, it will be priced around $1500..for that kinda money we can get a top of the range laptop loaded with features. What was the point of this thing anyway..its priced more than a laptop..can't do anything close to what a laptop does, and it won't even fit in your pocket?
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:58 am

Apart from scratching easily and being a pointless gimmick it does nothing that my iphone and netbook don't do already. Therefore I cant see any reason to buy it. Not for me I'm afraid.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:19 am

Quoting iowaman (Reply 6):
I can do more with a brand new notebook at a lower price.

You can do MUCH more, actually. I debated the iPad vs. Netbook argument and like you, ultimately decided the netbook was a far more flexible, capable device. I bought the netbook last month and I've not regretted my decision.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:29 am

I don't have enough of a gap between the other devices I already need for an iPad to make enough sense just for using, but I might get one if I wanted to start developing on it.

Quoting bwest (Reply 8):
and at 1:17 the video, most likely not on purpose, shows one of the ipads major problems: the guy scrolls up and down a web page, and suddenly there it is, blink and you'll miss it: the infamous little cube with a question mark, showing this device is incapable of playing flash...

It is completely intentional, just as in Jobs' official presentations. Flash is officially not going to be supported, and an increasing number of major sites are already reacting and moving away from flash as their exclusive tool for rich content (if not entirely).

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 10):
Others have made touchscreen multi-use pads and tablet-PCs years ago. Sony had one years ago that ran a version of Windows, had Wi-Fi, programmable infrared to interact with home TV/Stereos, etc.

The only thing new is the 3G (for that version), it's an Apple, and how thin it is.

Yeah. Just like with the iPhone, right? After all, it's just a freakin' phone – weren't their enough phones already before the iPhone came in 2007...?   

Just use it side by side with the alternatives you have in mind before making your final judgment.

The crucial difference is in the software, and the hardware is very tightly designed to support it. But that is the crucial point the other manufacturers never understood – which is why the tablet segment was always languishing and gathering dust on the shelves.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13):
By the time we get it here, it will be priced around $1500..for that kinda money we can get a top of the range laptop loaded with features.

It's starting at $500,– in the US, so unless the australian $ is crashing that should be quite a bit off the mark (or what is the level of taxes to be added?).

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 13):
What was the point of this thing anyway..its priced more than a laptop..can't do anything close to what a laptop does, and it won't even fit in your pocket?

It is much easier to use than a conventional computer for many everyday tasks, both through its form factor and through its much more immediate user interface.

In the end you should simply try it out yourself and then judge again.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:34 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
and an increasing number of major sites are already reacting and moving away from flash as their exclusive tool for rich content (if not entirely).

Do tell which sites are doing so!
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:42 am

Quoting davehammer (Reply 14):
Apart from scratching easily

Says who? The iPad has the same rather scratch-resistant glass surface as the iPhone. My iPhone display is still completely flawless after half a year of carrying it around in my pocket without any protection whatsoever.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 15):
You can do MUCH more, actually. I debated the iPad vs. Netbook argument and like you, ultimately decided the netbook was a far more flexible, capable device. I bought the netbook last month and I've not regretted my decision.

It does of course depend on what you tend to need it for, but I would actually recommend to try it out once it's available in a store near you.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:49 am

Quoting bwest (Reply 17):
Do tell which sites are doing so!

YouTube is one of them (althought here had been a dedicated YouTube App for the iPhone from the start anyway).

The US Virgin Airways site is reportedly being remodeled to ditch Flash completely.

Many other sites are being changed towards HTML5 as well. (some probably keeping Flash around as a fallback for non-HTML5-capable browsers).

Many further have either dedicated iPhone site versions or dedicated iPhone Apps in the store.

Since most of the actual mobile web traffic is through iPhone OS devices in the western world, it's just good business sense.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:56 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):

It's starting at $500,– in the US, so unless the australian $ is crashing that should be quite a bit off the mark (or what is the level of taxes to be added?).

The low end model is rumored to be around $800 Australian, with the high-end one being close to AU$1500 (was speaking to a buddy of mine who is the Apple store manager in Melbourne..don't know how much is true)..but looking at the iPhone..we pretty much get screwed over here with Apple. The 16 GB iPhone 3gs is AU$879, the same phone in the US is priced from $199 (yes, it is a 2-year AT&T contract but don't forget we have to pay for our calls here too).

Another example..the MacBook Pro..the 17" 2.8Ghz is US$2499..the same thing here is AU$3299..even with conversion that is a difference of AU$566..ridiculous. Like I said before..and will say again..Apple products in this country are wayyy overpriced.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:03 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
Yeah. Just like with the iPhone, right? After all, it's just a freakin' phone – weren't their enough phones already before the iPhone came in 2007...?

Just use it side by side with the alternatives you have in mind before making your final judgment.

The crucial difference is in the software, and the hardware is very tightly designed to support it. But that is the crucial point the other manufacturers never understood – which is why the tablet segment was always languishing and gathering dust on the shelves.

I don't doubt at all that Apple's integration is the best in the tech world. I mean it is... I'm also an early adopter of tech, some of which catches on, some doesn't. It's just a pet peeve of mine that Apple (and consumers of their products) constantly have this "first and best" attitude. No, a lot of their products are re-inventions of others' ideas which have been out for years. The iPhone itself as an example...there were various groups working on products like this going back to around 2004 or before. Another example, the Apple lawsuit against HTC. Please. Don't get me wrong, I'm an Apple lover, but I get annoyed by their shtick, marketing, and following I guess.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:56 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 21):
It's just a pet peeve of mine that Apple (and consumers of their products) constantly have this "first and best" attitude. No, a lot of their products are re-inventions of others' ideas which have been out for years. The iPhone itself as an example...there were various groups working on products like this going back to around 2004 or before.

And none of them got it right, until Apple indeed re-invented the entire segment, which everybody is now copying like crazy. Since 2007 pretty much every new device in this segment looks and works like an iPhone knockoff with a few tweaks at best.

While I detest the trivial software patents Apple and the rest of them are using as ammunition in their battles, that Apple is trying to stem the tide of the blatant copying of a rather heavy and quite innovative development they've done is understandable. I would just prefer it if it was going through copyright / visual design categories instead of the utterly ridiculous US patent system.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:43 pm

I will buy the Ipad eventually but not for at least a couple of years.

I brought a new Netbook 1 month ago, and I think it will do me for the next 2 years, once it dies then I look at replacing it with an ipad which should then be version 2 so all the bugs will be ironed out by then.

I brought an Itouch the first month it came out in Australia but waited a while for the iphone to come out, love the iphone so I am not sure what an Ipad would really help and the fact that is more expensive than the Toshiba Netbook I have I don't see all the hype about the ipad just yet.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:52 pm

Not at this time. I love gadgets and surely could invent a reason for myself to get one, but just as with the iPhone I dislike the totalitarian dictatorship Apple keeps over it's products even after you've bought them.

It's not only that you can't get Apps from anywhere but the App Store but also that Apple builds in a "kill switch" that lets them remotely disable Apps you've bought whenever they like. Combine that with the Saudi-Arabian approach to "Sexual" (Do I see a naked arm there? Whore!) content we've seen recently and I'm out. Sure, you can jailbreak it, but I just don't think that having to hack a new device is something I like.

So I'm probably going to end up with an Android phone (saves me from an expensive T-Mobile contract as well) and no tablet at all, which at the end of day I don't need anyway.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:05 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 24):
It's not only that you can't get Apps from anywhere but the App Store but also that Apple builds in a "kill switch" that lets them remotely disable Apps you've bought whenever they like.

They've never used that yet, so it remains plausible that it's only a last resort in case an App should be found out to contain actual malware. Since they would have to deal with the legal fallout of killing an App retroactively, I expect they will continue to handle this nuclear option with great care.

So far, all Apps which have been kicked from the Store for some reason have still remained active and usable for anyone who bought them up to then.

I agree that Apple's oversight of the App Store is sometimes chafing and is not always handled perfectly, but especially under security aspects I see their point. Would I prefer to have lower quality standards and more malware in exchange for easier access to the Store? I don't really think so.

But it's always a compromise either way.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:25 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
They've never used that yet, so it remains plausible that it's only a last resort in case an App should be found out to contain actual malware. Since they would have to deal with the legal fallout of killing an App retroactively, I expect they will continue to handle this nuclear option with great care.

The legal agreement (which the developers are legally banned from publicly discussing) for iPhone developers limits Apple's liability to the developer to 50$. Yes, fifty.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
I agree that Apple's oversight of the App Store is sometimes chafing and is not always handled perfectly, but especially under security aspects I see their point. Would I prefer to have lower quality standards and more malware in exchange for easier access to the Store? I don't really think so.

A warning screen

"Attention: The application you're about to install has not been tested by Apple for either function or security. We strongly advise you to only install content from the Apple App Store. Do you want to continue anyway?"

would do. I would be perfectly fine with it. But the way Apple handles it you're subject to their moods and, worse, business interests. That's why you can't use Google Voice on an iPhone. Imagine Microsoft would ship a Windows that won't let you install Open Office because they want to sell you their Office.

That's a bit too Soviet Union for my taste. Others might come to a different decision, but that's the reason why I (probably, haven't completely made up my mind) won't buy a 3GS, which I otherwise actually like. But, who knows, maybe the added pressure from the competition will cause Apple to rethink their policy and the 4th iPhone will let you multitask as you wish (My 2nd complaint) and leave the walled garden.

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:26 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):

While I detest the trivial software patents Apple and the rest of them are using as ammunition in their battles

At some rare times, a physical-world patent application will creep through: http://www.buzzbox.com/news/2010-03-08/Patent:Nokia/
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:34 pm

I know it doesn't offer much else than an ipod touch, but there's still something really cool about it. I guess the extra large screen size helps a lot even if the ipod touch does the job as well.

If I could afford it, I would probably buy it
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:41 pm

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Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:38 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
Bingo. But of course, there are those that NEED it because it will be THE best thing ever!

Yeah, exactly and I wouldn't want to be considered part of "those" people. It's just not me. While I loved my MacBook, it wasn't for me. It was just too much of a pain to use and under Vista, Firefox didn't work AT ALL.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
Considering the fact im on my second Macbook Pro thats on its way out, I am done with Apple. Both of these laptops are 4 years old and are already dying. Thats unacceptable.

Same for me. I bought a 2008 MacBook (Aug. 2008, so just before the new ones), I paid 850GBP for it. Within a year it looked like it'd been through a war zone, keys were falling off it, the plastic around the screen was coming off, and it was just getting annoying. I sold it for 125GBP on eBay for SPARES. That's how much it depreciated in 12 months and I wasn't somebody who battered it about either. I used it at home and occasionally took it to my friends house and it fell apart. I'd need a damn good reason to buy one again considering the price.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:19 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 30):
Same for me.

Current list of crap thats broken:

MBP #1

Both Fans
Superdrive
Screen is going

MBP #2

One fan dead, the other dying
Superdrive replaced over the summer
Display or video card is going out slowly
Keyboard replaced... twice.

It only leaves my desk to travel and very rarely to school. Unacceptable.
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:39 pm

Very strange. My MBP is rock-solid.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:20 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Very strange. My MBP is rock-solid.

I owned the normal MacBook which one of the last ones before they started making them in fancy aluminium. I own a Dell Inspiron now - not the fastest of things but it's still plastic and it's not fallen apart. The screen and body get dirty because it's glossy and I hate it, but I have no real problems with the laptop (the customer service is another matter though...).

The next laptop I'm buying will have to be a good multi tasker because I'm going to be doing web design. I'll take a look at Apple once again but I highly doubt I'm going to buy one considering my previous experience.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:40 pm

I see absolutely zero need or desire for one. I'd rather turn the pages on a real book, I'd rather surf the internet with flash, I'd rather take notes on my own notepad, I'd rather use my iphone for music, etc. Just about everything that the ipad can do I would prefer do to with my laptop, my phone, or good old fashioned pen and paper. My macbook pro is between 4-5 years old right now, maybe nearing time to trade it in. If I do, I'm downsizing to a 13'' and not even looking at an ipad. Waste of money in my opinion.

Caveat: It would be great for college students who would rather carry it around than a textbook. Depending how the publishers price electronic textbooks, the thing could pay for itself in a few semesters (my textbook bill was a horrific $400 a semester). Of course, though, I'll be graduating in May, so again no chance in hell I'd buy one.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:43 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Very strange. My MBP is rock-solid.

Some people have similar hardware that apparently is not. You may not frequent Apple discussion sites then? See e.g. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1697470&tstart=0


Someone mentioned TimeMachine somewhere. I thought it was a piece of software only but there seems to be a physical one as well (looks to me like an external HD with a power supply too likely to die) : http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2129872&tstart=0
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:20 am

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 35):
Some people have similar hardware that apparently is not. You may not frequent Apple discussion sites then? See e.g. http://discussions.apple.com/thread....art=0

Percentage of problems per number of copies produced and causes for observed symptoms remain the question.

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 35):
Someone mentioned TimeMachine somewhere. I thought it was a piece of software only but there seems to be a physical one as well (looks to me like an external HD with a power supply too likely to die) : http://discussions.apple.com/thread....art=0

No, Time Machine is the software tool, Time Capsule a piece of hardware to be used in conjunction with Time Machine as explained above.

Every single technical item ever produced has a 100% likelihood of dying eventually.

"Likely to die" is completely meaningless until the actual likelihood in a specific context can be specified. Anecdotal collections of cases do not provide much if any information to that end. And especially when collecting cases from very large data sets, first impressions can be quite deceptive. They don't need to be, but they usually are.
 
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:17 am

I'm interested for the same reasons as ManuCH.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:41 am

As a service center rep for Apple, I need to get one of those Ipads ASAP, but even if I was an average consumer with no ties to the church of Steve Jobs, Id buy one, because I dont have an Ipod Touch and my Iphone is nearly full, so its 499 price is quite reasonable for those of us that are considering an Ipod Touch 64GB.

I read a lot of books but I am not sure if I will like the reading experience that much...I hope... but not after I read like 200 pages.
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:54 am

http://randomfunnypicture.com/wp2/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ipad-vs-maxipad-super-absorbant.jpg

 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:43 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
It's starting at $500,– in the US, so unless the australian $ is crashing that should be quite a bit off the mark (or what is the level of taxes to be added?).

That's about $A550, at the moment, plus 10% ($A55) GST, so it should retail for $A605.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 20):
The low end model is rumored to be around $800 Australian

So an extra 33% for nothing! Actually that's not bad for some IT companies, which is why I don't buy, either personally or for business, brand name computer systems.

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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:26 am

The one thing that is really the death knell for me is lack of Flash support. Now I know Apple detests Flash, and it doesn't even work that well on OS X, compared to Windows...but... For a complete web-browsing experience I need Flash. I know people say it is due to be replaced by HTML 5. But that is not here in wide use yet.
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:08 am

If I wanted to lean over something while I'm writing, I'd use a writing pad. This has to be the second most pointless device produced by Apple.
 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:05 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 42):
If I wanted to lean over something while I'm writing, I'd use a writing pad. This has to be the second most pointless device produced by Apple.

But then you'd also need a #2 Ticonderoga pencil to write with. And a pencil sharpener. And a trash can for the eraser dust. And a file folder to save the document. And a file cabinet with hanging folders to put it in. And a key to lock the file cabinet and a key ring to.....   

Bill, I really believe that this video will demonstrate to you at least ONE possible use for the iPad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gA16Fq4SAo
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:50 am

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 41):
For a complete web-browsing experience I need Flash. I know people say it is due to be replaced by HTML 5. But that is not here in wide use yet.

And on an iPhone OS device you already need it a lot less than anywhere else, since many sites have either special iPhone versions of their sites or native Apps (not just to get around Flash, but also to provide more convenient mobile access). There is strong competitive incentive to be available under iPhone OS.
 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:59 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
native Apps

I always thought the web with all the "just type in the URL and you're there"-stuff was way too convenient.
 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:09 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Every single technical item ever produced has a 100% likelihood of dying eventually.

Therefore I at least try not to invest in a gadget unless I really need it. Although manufacturers (such as Apple have done) may extend their warranty to cover obvious faults occurring "too frequently", I'd loath to have parted with hundreds of monetary units and have lost it in the risky game of owning an expensive piece of computer hardware. I hate gambling, and the feeling that I'm not controlling the situation.



Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
No, Time Machine is the software tool, Time Capsule a piece of hardware to be used in conjunction with Time Machine as explained above.

Thanks for the clarification. An external hard drive is too boring to be just an external hard drive! Anyways, they do seem to have a tendency to fry their power supply -- unfortunate perhaps if you're not technically skilled.

Here's the condenced IPad release. Warning -- you will be convinced!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZS8HqOGTbA

[Edited 2010-03-11 04:15:54]
 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:19 pm

I don't really like this "gap between devices" way of thinking. If anything, it should "fill a niche in your life". Yes, I will be pre-ordering one, but I do a lot of reading on planes and trains. I have both a Kindle and iPhone, but Kindle still has trouble with many PDF files I'd like to read and the iPhone's screen is just too small. No, a netbook would not suffice because that's still a hassle to pull out and read on a crowded train or any other time you are on the go. Yes, there are other tablets, but all the ones currently on the market are too bulky. The rest are just vaporware at this point.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Every single technical item ever produced has a 100% likelihood of dying eventually.

That's why we consider MTBF--something Apple often reduces when prioritizing aethestics so highly over effective cooling.
 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:31 pm

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 46):
Therefore I at least try not to invest in a gadget unless I really need it. Although manufacturers (such as Apple have done) may extend their warranty to cover obvious faults occurring "too frequently", I'd loath to have parted with hundreds of monetary units and have lost it in the risky game of owning an expensive piece of computer hardware. I hate gambling, and the feeling that I'm not controlling the situation.

I would say pretty much everbody feels the same.

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 46):
Thanks for the clarification. An external hard drive is too boring to be just an external hard drive!

Well, it's of course an attempt of coherent branding, but Time Capsule is not just a netork-attached harddisk but also a wired switch and a wireless router with support for a networked printer and another external harddisk.

Quoting AverageUser (Reply 46):
Anyways, they do seem to have a tendency to fry their power supply -- unfortunate perhaps if you're not technically skilled.

Again, can you actually quantify that "tendency"?

If you produce millions of copies of a product, you will almost certainly have a certain percentage of failures among them. That is unfortunate, but still absolutely normal and every manufacturer has to deal with that.

Apple produces very few different products but in relatively large numbers, often for a number of years with only minimal external changes (contrary to the quick succession of differently named products from many other manufacturers), and Apple's customers are quick to anger (justifiably) when they feel that Apple does not actually provide the quality they've been promised. And they make sure they will be heard, which quickly gains traction in the web, as with most things affecting Apple.

In case of Time Capsule it could indeed be that the actual number of failures is above the norm, but what exactly makes you conclude that? What are the relative failure rates that justify that conclusion?
 
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RE: The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested?

Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:37 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 48):
Again, can you actually quantify that "tendency"?

See e.g. here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology.../apple-time-capsule-failures-early

If a product is a Time Capsule, one could perhaps entertain some high hopes?

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