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Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:43 pm

http://www.news.com.au/business/busi...diers/story-e6frfm9r-1225841579613

My goodness, talk about lousy. These men and women put their lives on the line to serve their country and people - and this is the treatment they are given?  

Very, very disappointing. I might not always agree with the conflicts they get sent to - but that's a different thing, and the people serving their country in the armed forces deserve nothing less than the full support of their country.
 
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Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:51 pm

Quoting cpd (Thread starter):
My goodness, talk about lousy. These men and women put their lives on the line to serve their country and people - and this is the treatment they are given?

What do you expect, with all the leftist crap people have been spouting for years about our troops being babykillers and war criminals?
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RE: Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:52 pm

WTF

In the U.S., it's patently, statedly, printed-by-law-on-all-job-application-forms ILLEGAL to discriminate based on someone's veteran status.
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Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:55 pm

His belief, his rights, agree with his opinion or not.
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Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:05 pm

Well, I used to be a volunteer in the German civil defense (in a heavy technical rescue unit) for almost 20 years. I left after I had a serious clash with my (British) station manager on a former job. A few years ago there were heavy floods in the eastern part of Germany and Poland. My unit was called out to get there to help to build flood defenses (sandbag barriers) and to help to supply people cut off in their villages with bringing in supplies by boat. We were told to expect to be gone for several weeks. Now by law my bass was supposed to let me go and to continue to pay me my salary (he would get compensated in turn by the government later).
Well, my boss told me in no uncertain words that I was either working for him or the civil defense and that if I obeyed my orders, he would find a reason to have me sacked (no employee is so good that a determined boss will not find a reason to get rid of him if he really wanted to). Mind you, this was the first time in years (and while working for this boss) that I was called out.
When I told my company commander, he told me not to go, since losing a (wellpaid) job in this economical situation would be stupid.
I also remember the case of a voluntary firefighter (a former colleague) in a village near Berlin, which was near a busy Autobahn intersection. He was being called out so often due to trafic accidents on the Autobahn that our boss told him to make up his mind and either work for the fire service or for LH.

I can see bosses rejecting applicants who have commitments to the military or rescue services because they can´t rely on their employees being around when they need them.

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RE: Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:23 pm

In this country, what Jan described is highly illegal - and managers who try to do that can get in extremely serious trouble with the law. The last time it happened that I know of - the manager was arrested, and the company the manager worked for got in very serious trouble.

Maybe this law to be moved to other countries as well.
 
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RE: Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:12 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
What do you expect, with all the leftist crap people have been spouting for years about our troops being babykillers and war criminals?

Pull yourself out of the 1960s. Where have you been when the "leftists" have been shouting about the leaders and not the troops? That comment is WAY off topic. I understand what he is talking about, but I do not support that line of thinking. That is simply the wrong way to go about it.
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RE: Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:20 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
What do you expect, with all the leftist crap people have been spouting for years about our troops being babykillers and war criminals?

This is well off topic and not relevant. The topic is about managers refusing to employ service people, or otherwise - refusing to let service people take military leave. It is not about Communism, reds and leftists or rightists.

If things can't be kept civilised and on topic, I'll request the moderators remove the entire topic.

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Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:49 am

Quoting cpd (Thread starter):
Very, very disappointing. I might not always agree with the conflicts they get sent to - but that's a different thing, and the people serving their country in the armed forces deserve nothing less than the full support of their country.

I definitely disagree with this business owner's choice not to hire veterans, but I think his extreme hard-line stance is obscuring a point that is worth discussing. Do soldiers bear some degree of personal responsibility for the actions they take while in uniform--not just war crimes, but also actions that follow the rules of war? If a conflict is immoral or unjust, is it not also immoral or unjust to willingly take up arms to perpetuate that conflict?
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RE: Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:02 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
Do soldiers bear some degree of personal responsibility for the actions they take while in uniform--not just war crimes, but also actions that follow the rules of war?

If those action include violating things like the Geneva convention then the soldier should be held responsible even if they are following orders and those commanders should be punished as well. Remember the "I was just following orders" excuse was not accepted in WW2 trials and that was before we had the Geneva convention.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
If a conflict is immoral or unjust, is it not also immoral or unjust to willingly take up arms to perpetuate that conflict?

Immoral or unjust is a matter of point of view on a particular conflict.

You can but then you are going to get in trouble for that, when you join the army you do as you're told no matter how much you disagree with the mission.

I do wonder what this guy's stance would be if someone who went AWOL for say disagreeing with the war in Afghanistan wanted to work for him.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
What do you expect, with all the leftist crap people have been spouting for years about our troops being babykillers and war criminals?

The leftists you speak of hate the war and not the troops, the media makes a false connection to them hating the troops.
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RE: Manager Wouldn't Employ Service-people

Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:14 am

The leftists you speak of hate the war and not the troops, the media makes a false connection to them hating the troops.

Some do

http://thingsihate.org/article/393/i_hate_soldiers

And I don't want to hijack the thread by posting pictures of some of the vile posters at antiwar protests that expressed hatred for our troops (in the US and elsewhere)

cpd and others are right - it's a distraction.
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