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M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:52 pm

Well, I'm fortunate to be taking delivery of a new M3 as a "favor" to one of my friends who couldn't make the trip himself   I've received useful itinerary suggestions on this forum before, so here I go again...

I've been to Munich before (without a car) and had a fantastic time, so I've seen some of the highlights. Despite my original plans for a MUC-ZRH-BRU-CDG drive, I truncated the trip due to my sister's college graduation. I'll actually have less than 24hr with the car (07May-08May as below). The delivery date/time and drop off time are firm as MUC is the only drop off point open on Saturday while the production schedule is tightly controlled for picking up the vehicle.

At present, I am booked at the Renaissance (near English Garden) for all 3 nights of my stay. However, I have no problem being on the go for most of my trip, even if this means one night in Munich, one night yet unknown, and final night in Freising or back in Munich.

Sorry for the level of detail in this itinerary. Due to the short trip, my main goal is squeezing in a nice drive. By no means have I seen all of Munich, so staying all nights in the city isn't the end of the world if my "on the go" plans seem impractical.

I have an unlocked SIM phone that I use for international travel. Any advice on where to pick up a SIM card? If the airport offers them at a moderate price premium, this is fine by me as I won't be making many calls.

05May2010 - Depart the US in the evening.

06May2010 - Arrive in MUC in the morning.
--- Check into the Renaissance ~12:00 (hopefully).
--- Having seen some of the more common sights before (English Garden, BMW Welt, beer halls, Marienplatz, German Museum, etc) I'm up for anything. I'd particularly enjoy suggestions for events or activities best suited to this time of year.
--- If all else fails, I have no problem relaxing in the English Garden area and taking a nice walk as I enjoy this area of town and it's close to the Renaissance.

07May2010 - Take delivery of the car at 14:30
--- Morning suggestions?
--- Factory tour will be offered to all Euro delivery guests (I didn't get to do this on my previous trip).
--- Drive to ________? after delivery.
--- I considered Salzburg to stay the night but don't know what route to take.
--- Should I drive a similar (perhaps longer) distance south to enjoy more mountainous terrain?
--- Although it's a longer drive, I wouldn't mind heading toward Innsbruck or Hohe Tauern Nationalpark based on Google topography.

08May2010 - Drop the car off at the Munich location ~13:30 (open 10:00-14:00)
--- Return from ________?
--- Leave the car at Robert-Bosch-Strasse 11, 85748 Garching (between airport and city).
--- Stay in downtown Munich, Freising, or ______?
--- On my last trip, I stayed my final night in Freising and enjoyed walking through the town in addition to airport proximity (though leaving from the Munich city center is not a problem in the least).

09May2010 - Fly home in the late morning ~12:00
--- If I wake early, any advice on how to "say goodbye"? A walk through the garden if in Munich, stroll through the town in Freising, etc?

For what it's worth:
(1) I have studied German traffic laws.
(2) Apart from the novelty of taking an M3 on an unrestricted section of autobahn, I'm not looking for top speed thrills as the car will need broken in when I take delivery. I'm a decently experienced and responsible driver.
(3) The car will be loaded with European maps.

For those who care:
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:14 pm

I have no clue about Germany but something is making me wonder...

Why are you flying from the US to take delivery?

You can have them delivered to dealers, no?  Confused

[Edited 2010-03-21 16:15:56]
 
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Sun Mar 21, 2010 11:36 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):
Why are you flying from the US to take delivery?

It's a fun trip and it saves money (more with some models than others).
http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/conte...ents/europeandelivery/default.aspx

BMW quotes savings of "up to 7%" on the web site.

The obvious question is "why does this save BMW money?" (which in whole or in part is obviously passed on to the buyer). My answer - I don't know!

Obviously BMW is doing some amount of additional work in prepping the vehicle multiple times and putting on the BMW Welt "show" for the customer. Clearly the savings don't come from man hours, infrastructure reduction, etc. If I had to make an (uneducated) guess, I'd assume that it might be something about exporting the car as "used"?
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:01 am

You're allowed to take a companion for free. Where do I sign up?

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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:14 am

OMG! This is an awesome opportunity! Everyone I know who has done Euro /Performance Center Delivery has raved about the experience! Enjoy!
 
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:11 am

You should include more time, this is really too short a trip for everything you want to put into it. Shpould you go to Salzburg - be carefuly that you buy the Austrian road tax sticker. The Austrian cops really hide behind the bushes and stop all cars that do not have these stickers on the front screen. Best- stay out of Austria, it's a waste to pay 7 or 8 € just to cross into. Take the time to cruise the Munich hinterland, the lakes between the city and the apls. Take small roads, or even better - go to visit the WIESKIRCHE a romantic old church out in the countryside.

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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:23 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
BMW quotes savings of "up to 7%" on the web site.

The obvious question is "why does this save BMW money?" (which in whole or in part is obviously passed on to the buyer). My answer - I don't know!

The reason it used to is that the US Dollar used to be significantly stronger and purchases were repriced in DM or EUR, which would create a favorable exchange rate.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
If I had to make an (uneducated) guess, I'd assume that it might be something about exporting the car as "used"?

Might be on to something there. Grey Market and all.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 1):

You can have them delivered to dealers, no?

Actually, they are delivered to a dealer in the end. After you take delivery in Europe, they put it on a boat and ship it to your dealer.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:32 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
I'd assume that it might be something about exporting the car as "used"?

Bingo! A new car has a higher tax rate then a 2nd hand car. Even if that 2nd hand car only has 100 miles on it.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:37 am

Agreed, trip is too short.

I'm going to put an order in for an M3 coupe in the next year after I hit my warranty mileage on my current vehicle. Hoping to take the trip out there after the winter since the car doesn't come with seasonal tires and German law requires you to have proper equipment and I don't feel like renting tires only to have to take them off and give them back and then put the stocks back on and ship it back.

Parents did a Euro delivery on a Benz back in 96'. It was a great trip. Since you know what you're getting and not having to deal with dealer inventory, dealer shopping is much easier. My parents got theirs from a dealer close to 3 hours away (we live in San Franciso Bay Area where there's a car dealership every time you sneeze) and when the car came in, they drove it to our house and my parents signed the papers and they left.

The Welt experience looks amazing and is the primary reason I'm looking to do Euro delivery. Plus, who can pass up an excuse to go to Europe?

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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:55 am

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
You should include more time, this is really too short a trip for everything you want to put into it
Quoting UA777222 (Reply 8):
Agreed, trip is too short.

If I hadn't been to Munich before (and if I weren't given one of the better cars on the market to play with), I'd be fully content to camp in the city for a few days in order make the most of my short window.

I'd love to lengthen the trip, but BMW logistical issues are the primary driver in my relatively short time with the car. It's not realistic to drop off the car on the day of departure due to depot opening times and flight departure times. BMW also recommends arriving the day before the car is delivered. Dropping off the car on the same day as taking delivery is a bit useless apart form the cost savings. As a result:
Day 0 - depart US
Day 1 - arrive MUC
Day 2 - accept car
Day 3 - drop off car
Day 4 - fly home

With quasi-family in BRU and CDG, I was really looking forward to my original MUC-ZRH-BRU-CDG itinerary. However, I'm happy to "settle" for this quick trip (at no cost to me). My ideal trip would have been much longer (and much more viable if I weren't getting married later this year).

Though I'd prefer to buy a car used, I'm tempted to do a Euro delivery for my next car (or perhaps my fiance's). BMW offered some great incentives over the last year.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
Take the time to cruise the Munich hinterland, the lakes between the city and the apls. Take small roads, or even better - go to visit the WIESKIRCHE a romantic old church out in the countryside.

Exactly the type of advice I was looking for. Thank you.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 8):
Molykote, you're lucky to have the friends you do.

He's an interesting friend/coworker. Hell of a nice guy too. I actually got him hooked on BMWs so I guess this is my dividend  
Quoting UA777222 (Reply 8):
The Welt experience looks amazing and is the primary reason I'm looking to do Euro delivery. Plus, who can pass up an excuse to go to Europe?

To be honest, having been to the Welt, I think it's cool but mostly marketing fluff. When I was last in Munich, it was the only BMW attraction available (museum was being rebuilt and factory tours were booked). I "settled" for the Welt and thought it was an interesting building. However, I'm really looking forward to the factory tour and drive in (hopefully) nice weather.

Some interesting trivia:

When at the BMW Welt in 2008, half of the F1 engine's V-10 exhaust manifold was on display in the form of an oversize model. It was labeled as an "intake manifold". I don't like to be critical as I admire the foreign language ability of others, particularly as mine is quite limited. On the other hand, I wouldn't have expected this mistake at this venue! When I visited the German Museum a few days later, I saw a casting sample for a BMW "V-6" cylinder head! For what it's worth, only the English was incorrect  
Quoting UA777222 (Reply 8):
Parents did a Euro delivery on a Benz back in 96'. It was a great trip. Since you know what you're getting and not having to deal with dealer inventory, dealer shopping is much easier. My parents got theirs from a dealer close to 3 hours away (we live in San Franciso Bay Area where there's a car dealership every time you sneeze) and when the car came in, they drove it to our house and my parents signed the papers and they left.


Supposedly, much of the buyer's negotiating leverage (beyond the typical ED savings) comes from the fact that ED cars aren't take from a dealer's normal vehicle allotment. Thus, a dealer isn't cutting into what may be a higher margin conventional sale. Euro Delivery basically requires the dealer to negotiate a price and fill out some forms at no additional opportunity cost (and gives the dealer reduced/no reason to pressure the buyer into selecting a vehicle locally).

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
The reason it used to is that the US Dollar used to be significantly stronger and purchases were repriced in DM or EUR, which would create a favorable exchange rate.

Ultimately, isn't the exchange rate a factor in a conventional or European delivery?

Where did the "repricing" occur that altered the USD side of the equation for buyers? (at least so far as exchange rate was concerned)

I know a little bit about how money flows between buyer/bank/dealer/OEM in these types of transactions but apparently not enough to know how this exchange rate scenario would play out. On the surface, it would seem that building a delivery program around this kind of "fuel hedge" game would be a bit dangerous. Perhaps it would be worth exploiting during temporary currency swings (with minimal infrastructure surrounding the program) but wouldn't make sense to build a massive delivery program/facility around (or if it did make sense, I'd expect to see heavy accounting losses followed, perhaps years later, by large accounting gains attributed to the program).
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:04 am

For those wondering about the process, you don't legally own the car until it reaches the dealership and they have you sign the papers. You are, however, liable for sales tax and registration on the car if you decide that you don't want the car after it is built.

In re: to the Welt experience. I'm sure the building is great but the part I'm looking forward to is taking the elevator to the center show-room (in the middle of the whole building) and finding my car on the rotating platform and driving off with it.

I recall doing the Benz tour with only other Euro deliveries and then going into this large parking garage area and there was a center area were cars came out. They would come out and do this little show and then pull it infront of you and an advisor who would go over the whole car and then shake your hand and let you out and you were off. Its a great program. My parents rented a house in the countryside for us to stay at for a week and there was this old barn that the car got parked in and my dad, the first day we had the car, drove it through some bushes and scratched up the sides.

When the car got to us in the states, all of the damaged had been fixed, and the car was showroom quality, at no cost.

I love American builds and am a fan of my Tahoe any day, but can't beat the quality of a good ole' German car. Never driven one I haven't liked (doesn't mean they're not out there).

Good luck.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:07 am

The most scenic and windy road drives in the Munich area are in the south.

My personal favourite tour would be:

BMW Delivery Center ->
-> Germering ->
-> Stockdorf ->
-> Starnberg ->
-> Seeshaupt ->
-> Murnau am Staffelsee ->
-> Garmisch-Partenkirchen ->
-> Innsbruck (Austria) ->
-> Prad am Stilfserjoch (Italia) (2nd highest mountain pass of the alps) ->
-> Bormio (Italia) ->
-> Bolzano (Italia) ->
-> Wörgl (Austria) ->
-> Bernau am Chiemsee ->
-> Anger am Höglwörther See ->
-> Waging am See ->
-> Wasserburg am Inn->
-> Hotel Rennaisance

That is about 1020km (630mls) across Germany's, Austria's and Italia's most beautiful roads. Don't know if you have enough time and muse to take a ride that long.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:42 am

Quoting Marquis (Reply 11):
That is about 1020km (630mls) across Germany's, Austria's and Italia's most beautiful roads. Don't know if you have enough time and muse to take a ride that long.

That sounds pretty aggressive. It may depend on when I get out of the BMW Welt (delivery is scheduled for 14:30 and I definitely want to do a tour). Maybe I can get the tour ahead of time.

Thanks.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 10):
I love American builds and am a fan of my Tahoe any day, but can't beat the quality of a good ole' German car. Never driven one I haven't liked (doesn't mean they're not out there).

I actually like the Tahoes as well. Big enough to make the awkward size/handling of an SUV worth something while not being as big as a Suburban.

As for a German car I didn't like, I was quite surprised that a recent dealer loaner (my first exposure to a 335i) did nothing for me. In fairness, it was an auto/X-drive/non-sport (sticker at just over $50k as equipped). Even as a BMW fan, I'd rather have an A4 2.0T straight up (sport/MT), let alone accounting for the $10-15k price difference. The 335i in configuration above just didn't beg to be driven like most BMWs I've touched. I think the massive torque of the engine actually made me less likely to push the car hard as the low RPM torque of the engine suited the relatively "lazy" nature of the auto/non-sport chassis.

Interestingly, I later drove a 535i (x-drive/auto/non-spot) and quite liked it. Although the 335i has received rave reviews, the non-sport/x-drive/auto configuration absolutely killed the car in my opinion. So far as pure driving goes, I'd rather have a minimally equipped 328i sport/RWD/manual - not to mention saving over $10k.

My view may be a bit jaded as something about older BMWs appeals to me a bit more than the latest designs. My current daily driver is an E46 330Ci with pretty aggressive Koni based suspension (my goal was to make it drive like the old E36 chassis, though I think the E46 interior is the best BMW will ever put in a 3 series... E36 M3 seats aside). Other BMWs that I drive now seem a bit too understeer prone and soft on turn in (though much more forgiving). An E36 makes everyone look like a good driver.

You shouldn't have gotten me started on this topic! I'll let it rest for now.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 10):
Good luck.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:25 am

Whole family drives BMW now.

My dad started in 84' with a 528e that he got into a pretty bad accident in and walk away from when it was almost brand new. Swears by their safety. Anyways, it took a year to get fixed (no idea why it wasn't a W/O) and he drove it until 03'. Mom got the 97' Benz E340 and drove that for 4 years until the fuel gauge went out on it (among other issues with the car) so they switched to Volvo. 05' they got my sister an 05' 325i. 06' my mom got herself a 750Li on lease to see if she liked it and my dad got a 535i.

My little brother came due for a car and my sister happened to be getting ready for college graduation and they felt that whatever car they got him, he would destroy, so he got the 325i and my sister got a new 07' Z4. Turns out he's kept great care of the car and she has destroyed the great looking and driving Z4. My mom's lease came up on the 750Li so she turned around got a new 08' (doesn't like the 09', don't know why) 750Li before they all disappeared, with the exact same color but all of the options (auto shades, dvd, rear seat controls, etc).

Dad sold his 5 series since he never drove it (has a company car) and I'm driving a Mini Cooper S (I like to think it's a BMW) and have a beat up Tahoe.

I can gush for BMWs for days. Sure people get good cars and bad cars, but not one of the BMW-family cars that we've had has been issue at all.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:33 am

I was going to suggest you take it to the Nurburgring but that's quite far from MUC.

What about down near Innsbruck...there must be some amazing roads/scenery near there.
 
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:49 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 14):
I was going to suggest you take it to the Nurburgring but that's quite far from MUC.

I'd be broke (and possibly injured) by the time I learned the track! Not to mention break in for the vehicle. I'd probably just rather take a "taxi" ride.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:41 pm

Drive down to Fussen (on the border with Austria) to see the Neuschwanstein Castle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuschwanstein_Castle

Some lovely driving roads round there. In fact I'll be there at the weekend!
 
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:16 pm

Quoting Molykote (Reply 9):

Ultimately, isn't the exchange rate a factor in a conventional or European delivery?

At one point, I believe it was.

Quoting Molykote (Reply 9):

Where did the "repricing" occur that altered the USD side of the equation for buyers? (at least so far as exchange rate was concerned)

Can't tell you. I do believe the dealer still gets paid for brokering the deal.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:57 am

I think a good break in would involve driving in the unlimited portions of the autobahn at full bore. Engine blows up, just blame it on warranty 
 
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
Can't tell you. I do believe the dealer still gets paid for brokering the deal.

I did Euro delivery on my '08 E82 135i coupe, and I asked the question to BMW why there was substantial savings in the purchase price of the car. It turns out that there are a number of contributing factors; taxes are certainly one of them, but the biggest reason is that the Euro delivery program can be thought of as a "factory direct" purchase; meaning they can realise a savings in getting the car into your hands (by cutting out the middlemen), yet make as much or more profit per car.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:06 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):

The obvious question is "why does this save BMW money?" (which in whole or in part is obviously passed on to the buyer). My answer - I don't know!
Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting Molykote (Reply 2):
If I had to make an (uneducated) guess, I'd assume that it might be something about exporting the car as "used"?

Might be on to something there. Grey Market and all.

   Correct. At least that's what the Bimmer people say.

I'm looking at ordering a 2011 E92 335i xDrive (we'll call it my "bachelor's last hurrah"). With the European Delivery discount (~7% off invoice price), some shrewd dealing, destination charge waived, and hopefully a favorable trade-in value, I think I can do pretty well. That said, prices on the "lovingly pre-owned" ones look rather tempting, though I do like the look of the new LCI...
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:09 am

Quoting Molykote (Reply 15):
I'd be broke (and possibly injured) by the time I learned the track! Not to mention break in for the vehicle. I'd probably just rather take a "taxi" ride.

Sadly, I'm pretty sure the plates you get on a ED car aren't allowed on the Nurburgring.
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RE: M3 Euro Delivery: Scenic/Fun Drive Near MUC?

Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:20 am

I would watch traveling into Italy with tourist plates.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 20):
I'm looking at ordering a 2011 E92 335i xDrive (we'll call it my "bachelor's last hurrah"). With the European Delivery discount (~7% off invoice price), some shrewd dealing, destination charge waived, and hopefully a favorable trade-in value, I think I can do pretty well. That said, prices on the "lovingly pre-owned" ones look rather tempting, though I do like the look of the new LCI...

What are you negotiating on the ED? ED invoice is published on the internet and the dealer just charges a fee for arranging the sale (usually $750-1000).

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