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Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:25 pm

WOW how quick can the Secret Service Presidential detail prepare for an unknown quick decisive security detail with surprise visits to a war country Afghanistan. Anyone know what route Air Force One took?

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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:51 pm

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
WOW how quick can the Secret Service Presidential detail prepare for an unknown quick decisive security detail with surprise visits to a war country Afghanistan. Anyone know what route Air Force One took?

Not very quick. I'm sure it's been in the planning stages for a few weeks. They just didn't release the info to the media. Bush and other Presidents have done this a few times.
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Sun Mar 28, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
Anyone know what route Air Force One took?

I'm sure close to the same route it took for Pres Bush when he went to Iraq. The VC-25 has more then enough range....
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:39 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 1):
Not very quick. I'm sure it's been in the planning stages for a few weeks. They just didn't release the info to the media. Bush and other Presidents have done this a few times.

Yea I am sure the Secret Service prepared this visit in advance, your right though about how the public does not know until they announce it on the news. Yea I remembered when Bush went to Iraq during Thanksgiving of November 2003, when he did his surprise visit. Its still amazing, how a U.S. President can make it into a war zone, very very, dangerous, I am sure the Secret Service would have preferred Obama not to travel in that region of the world, but whatever the President wants, he gets, and the Secret Service has to live with the burden of security. Its tough, and rough, but its the job. I remember when the Secret Service didnt want Clinton to travel to India because of a security issue, and he ended up going anyway. Another time the first President George W. Bush wanted to travel to Colombia, and it was dangerous because of the drug war that was going on in that country, once again the Secret Service did not want him to go, but Bush ended up going, so its amazing you know. Its a lot of pressure for the men and women of the Secret Service.
 
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:17 pm

Quoting propilot83 (Reply 3):
Yea I am sure the Secret Service prepared this visit in advance, your right though about how the public does not know until they announce it on the news. Yea I remembered when Bush went to Iraq during Thanksgiving of November 2003, when he did his surprise visit. Its still amazing, how a U.S. President can make it into a war zone, very very, dangerous, I am sure the Secret Service would have preferred Obama not to travel in that region of the world, but whatever the President wants, he gets, and the Secret Service has to live with the burden of security. Its tough, and rough, but its the job. I remember when the Secret Service didnt want Clinton to travel to India because of a security issue, and he ended up going anyway. Another time the first President George W. Bush wanted to travel to Colombia, and it was dangerous because of the drug war that was going on in that country, once again the Secret Service did not want him to go, but Bush ended up going, so its amazing you know. Its a lot of pressure for the men and women of the Secret Service.

The Secret Service doesn't like him walking across the South Lawn to Marine 1, let alone outside in the public, or say a war zone.

When Clinton's jogs stopped, that's when they really started to clamp down on the Presidents.

The speech that Obama gave to the troops was on a stage that wasn't erected in an hour, they probably said it was a VIP and upped the security as the time grew nearer. If anyone caught wind, publicly, that he had gone before he actually arrived, it would have all been scrapped though I think news agencies understand the implications of releasing such information. Can the WH put an embargo on that story?
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:19 pm

When VP George Bush came to Beirut in Oct 83, the USMC had 22 hours advance notice and the first US Secret Service rep did not arrive until four hours before the VP.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 4):
If anyone caught wind, publicly, that he had gone before he actually arrived, it would have all been scrapped though I think news agencies understand the implications of releasing such information. Can the WH put an embargo on that story?

The US military and the White House have a classified mission setup for the press corps. Certain media members are 'on call' on a rotating basis. These people are called up and picked up. Other pre-selected members of the press corps covering the White House or DOD are notified that there has been a call up and a deployment. Certain pre-selected national media executives are also notified.

That explains why Jane Reporter and Joe Cameraman have not come to work/ disappeared. With a pre-determined time period the media executives will be given notice that news releases from the press pool will be coming soon - usually a couple hours.

Everyone in the US media fully cooperates in maintaining the secrecy and keeping the entire incident embargoed until the goverment gives the okay to release the information. Because anyone who even notifies their customers that a big story is coming gets excluded for at least three years from future events.

The military and the White House are careful to not 'over classify' the incidents.

The system is activated by the White House at least three times per year - so the media does not know if it is real or it is a drill. The military system is activated at least four times per year.

Both the government and the media agree it is a very good, workable system.

The concern is always on the local end - the reporters in the destination who are not part of the special pool groups - not with the US based media.
 
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Mon Mar 29, 2010 3:37 pm

Quoting propilot83 (Thread starter):
WOW how quick can the Secret Service Presidential detail prepare for an unknown quick decisive security detail with surprise visits to a war country Afghanistan.

Like others have said, this was almost certainly in the works but kept under wraps for sometime.

Quoting UA777222 (Reply 4):
If anyone caught wind, publicly, that he had gone before he actually arrived, it would have all been scrapped though I think news agencies understand the implications of releasing such information.

   When Bush went to Iraq, the flightplan was filed as a Gulfstream. At some point in the flight (near England I think) a BA pilot remarked that he thought he saw Air Force One. The pilot flying the VC-25 replied that they were a Gulfstream, and the issue was let go. Had it not been, the trip would have been scrubbed.

Bush had been in Texas, and the trip from Waco to Baghdad was too long to make without refueling. Refueling in flight would raise too many eyebrows and compromise the secrecy, so a secret plane swap was made at ADW.
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
When Bush went to Iraq, the flightplan was filed as a Gulfstream. At some point in the flight (near England I think) a BA pilot remarked that he thought he saw Air Force One. The pilot flying the VC-25 replied that they were a Gulfstream, and the issue was let go.

I don't think anyone on this forum knows exactly what the flight plan was filed as. I've heard from some USAF friends who should know that it was listed as just a 'normal' Military Airlift Command heavy flight. No specific aircraft designated.

The BA pilot was smart enough to realize by the 'Gulfstream' response while they were over the Med that he 'didn't see a B747'.

The Gulfstream story came from the AF1 flight crew and was told to the press on board with the President by the White House press office representative. When various BA pilots were asked about the incident, initially the BA flight crew denied the incident. Until they learned the White House had confirmed the story.
 
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RE: Obama's Surprise Visit To Afghanistan

Mon Mar 29, 2010 7:10 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):
I don't think anyone on this forum knows exactly what the flight plan was filed as. I've heard from some USAF friends who should know that it was listed as just a 'normal' Military Airlift Command heavy flight. No specific aircraft designated

That could be, but at the same time, it could definitely raise some eyebrows for a "C-5" to be flying at 39,000 nonstop to Iraq doing M .84. The Gulfstream would be a better match for the 747 in terms of performance.
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