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Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:01 pm

Is it just me, or is this "We ID Under Age XX" campaign really starting to get out of hand?

Last time I checked, the legal drinking age in British Columbia is 19. Now, if a business "suspects" me of being under the age of 19 thats one thing, but for a company (Red Robin) to make it their policy to ID someone under the age of 39 1/2 has seriously got some issues going on.

I'm sure there are people out there who look younger than they really are, any by all means, ID them. But to actually get employees to check for ID of someone who is twice the legal drinking age? WTF?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but once one reaches a certain age, one is entitled to certain privilages that come with that age, as well as certain responsibilities and such. I'm failing to understand what a company is trying to achieve by making a mockery out these privilages. Do they not realize that there are actually some adults out there who want nothing more than a simple meal without being asked for ID by some acne covered teen thats half your age every time you want a beer?
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:10 pm

Ive wondered this for a long time, perhaps you can shed some light onto it.

How do they know if someone is 39.5 and to card them in the first place?

BTW, I get double-IDd in alot of places with my out of state ID when I go a certain liquor store chain. Royal PITA.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:13 pm

It's out of hand in the UK. It used to be ask 21 (if you looked under 21 you needed ID for drink/smokes), now it's 25. There are 25 year olds with kids and a wife in some cases.

In a certain UK pub chain (I shall not tell you who, but it rhymes with speatherwoons....) had no problem with my group of friends in (perfectly legal, we were 16/17 with a few at 18 but only bought for themselves), then all of a sudden it became against the law for us to drink (coke) in there. They ID'ed us all (I happened to have my passport on me, not sure what good it would have done as I'm still 17 even now) and they said I had to buy a meal or leave without finishing my drink. I went to the bar to get a bowl of chips (if she was going to take the piss, so was I) and a different barmaid ID'ed me again.

I got ID'ed. FOR A BOWL OF CHIPS.       Seriously, what the f*ck is the world coming to? Apparently you have to have an 18 year old in your group or be 18 to order a meal. News to me  

Needless to say, they lost our business after that. Shame, it was a nice pub.

On a related note, in Florida my dad was ID'ed at the age of 37 for a piss... I mean budweiser.   Political correctness gone insane.
 
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:20 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):

Ive wondered this for a long time, perhaps you can shed some light onto it.

Thats what I'm hoping for myself, but I doubt anyone can actually shed some valubale insight to such a ridiculous practice.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):
How do they know if someone is 39.5 and to card them in the first place?

What I'd like to know ... why 39 1/2? Who's hat did they pull that out of or is there some actual legal department that actually has some mystical formula to arrive at such a "cute" number? LOL!

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
On a related note, in Florida my dad was ID'ed at the age of 37 for a piss... I mean budweiser

Lol .... Budweiser ... gross .... lol!

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
Political correctness gone insane.

Don't know if its poitial correctness, but if its not the ID police, then its the food police, or the internet police, or the grammer police, or the lord only knows what police.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:20 pm

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):

I got ID'ed. FOR A BOWL OF CHIPS. Seriously, what the f*ck is the world coming to? Apparently you have to have an 18 year old in your group or be 18 to order a meal. News to me

Needless to say, they lost our business after that. Shame, it was a nice pub.

In the land of the free, you cannot walk into alot of liquor stores unless you are 21. And not only that but you cannot walk into some restaurants/bars if you are not 21 after a certain hour.

Its BS, plain and simple.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 pm

I'm 26 and I've been asked for ID several times for buying beer (mostly at local liquor shopping place, like Coles Liquorland). On one occasion the store clerk himself looked under 18..and he is asking me for ID so that I can buy beer.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
I got ID'ed. FOR A BOWL OF CHIPS.

I've had that happen at a Pizza Hut in Kansas city (I was 20 at the time), apparently I didnt look 20..so the waiter actually asked me for ID to prove I am over 18. When the hell did someone have to be over 18 to order pizza?! Ridiculous.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:28 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
When the hell did someone have to be over 18 to order pizza?! Ridiculous.

Cerfew is the only thing I can think of. Some places do not allow minors (those under 18) to be out after a certain hour. Other than that, I can not say.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
In the land of the free, you cannot walk into alot of liquor stores unless you are 21.

I was in BevMo (liquor store chain in Cali) yesterday. A woman and a young girl (about 2) were in the spirits section purchasing vodka and tequila. The little girl was pointing and commenting on how she wanted this pretty one and that pretty one. That is just wrong.

As far as Red Robin, they say 39 1/2 here in the states, too, but I only see people getting ID'd if they truly look young. I have not been ID'd for a long time. Even when I was 19 and I bought my first case of beer, they didn't ID me.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:34 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):
I was in BevMo (liquor store chain in Cali) yesterday. A woman and a young girl (about 2) were in the spirits section purchasing vodka and tequila. The little girl was pointing and commenting on how she wanted this pretty one and that pretty one. That is just wrong.

How is that wrong? You think a 2 year old girl is going to be an alcoholic because she went with her mom to the liquor store??
 
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:51 pm

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
In the land of the free, you cannot walk into alot of liquor stores unless you are 21. And not only that but you cannot walk into some restaurants/bars if you are not 21 after a certain hour.

Its BS, plain and simple.

Just as well I don't live in the land of the free then.  

Here it's perfectly legal for a kid to be in the bar. They're not allowed to drink alcohol or be in there after 8 or 9 at night but other wise they can sit and have a coke with their mates, parents, dog, whatever.

I don't know what their game was but they made us not want to go back and I haven't since. Cheap drinks or not, I won't tolerate being shown up in front of the entire pub (which was pretty full as it was midday) just because I'm not old enough to drink alcohol. It'd be different if I was trying to buy alcohol, but I wasn't. I've only ever been served in a pub once and that was because my mates had got me so drunk by spiking my drinks I thought they wouldn't notice. Just as well they didn't ID me.  
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
I've had that happen at a Pizza Hut in Kansas city (I was 20 at the time), apparently I didnt look 20..so the waiter actually asked me for ID to prove I am over 18. When the hell did someone have to be over 18 to order pizza?! Ridiculous.

As far as I know, never. I refuse to show ID now unless I have to (like for alcohol) because it's not their business how old I am if i'm not buying (or trying to) buy an age restricted product. I turn 18 in July, and I know i'm going to be ID'ed till I'm 30. I don't look 18 (I don't really look any age, I look older than 16 but definitely not old enough to drink). I remember when I was 14 I had a barbecue in a field near my house and we went to Asda (walmart) for the things. They let me buy a portable barbecue thingy that had that special firelighter paper in it, but not a set of plastic knives, forks and spoons because "there's a blade in it and you need to be 18 to purchase knives". IT'S PLASTIC! If I manage to stab and wound somebody with a plastic knife they need thicker skin, I'm sorry. That's pathetic.

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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:53 pm

The Applebees here in my town has been busted before in the past for serving underage drinking and because of that had their liquor license taken away for a time, well about 2 years ago, a few months before my grandfather passed away at the age of 92, me and him stopped in there for lunch after taking him to a doctors appointment at the VA. He ordered a Coke and I ordered a Coors Light, and the waitress asked for my ID and my 92 year old grandfathers ID because he was sitting at a table where an alcoholic beverage would be. My exact words to the waitress were "are you fucking kidding me?" She walked away to get her manager as I guess she did not like my question, he comes over and says it is State Law, for which I told him, no there is currently nothing in the books about ID'ing every single person whether they are drinking or not in the State of Maryland. He then explained that due to them getting busted, the owner required everybody, all the time get checked. So I showed him my ID (I was 31 at the time) and told him that he did not need to see my grandfathers ID as he was not drinking and was obviously over the age of 21 and to go get my beer. He did and my grandfather had a good laugh that day over the ordeal.

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Just a FYI, they still card all ages up there.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:57 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):
What I'd like to know ... why 39 1/2?

It's a marketing thing. Nothing more. It's just Red Robin being quirky.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):
That is just wrong.

Why? Booze comes in colorful bottles, kids like colorful stuff. Its not like she's asking for the booze.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:04 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Thread starter):
but for a company (Red Robin) to make it their policy to ID someone under the age of 39 1/2 has seriously got some issues going on.

Red Robin has been doing that for years here in the U.S. They started doing that 39 1/2 thing after I left the company over 10 years ago. Why they are doing this, I don't know. It is a PITA. It is silly.

I even see them asking for ID from folks who are 55+ years old. I think they just want to know who you are in case something gets out of hand when you hit the legal limit to drive or if a fight breaks out.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 8):
Here it's perfectly legal for a kid to be in the bar.

Wisconsin allows that with a parent/guardian who is over 21.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
It's a marketing thing.

If it is a marketing thing, then they are doing a pretty bad job at it. It just looks silly in a negative light. I don't need to see the huge buttons that dwarf their name tag that says 39 1/2 in freaky colors. WTF?!
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:06 am

There are some places that require proof of age from everybody to purchase alcohol. I've been checked at the late Shea Stadium in NYC, at age 45, because everyone needs to show ID. We were in Harry Carey's restaurant in MDW, waiting for a flight home on a business trip - everyone needed to show ID, including the 55 year old, white haired gentleman in our group. It's probably easier that way from an enforcement standpoint. There is no "well, I thought he looked old enough" decisions for the clerk/server to make, no arguments about "why did I have to show ID when my friends didn't" and less chance of getting caught by law enforcement for selling to underage patrons.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
I've had that happen at a Pizza Hut in Kansas city (I was 20 at the time), apparently I didnt look 20..so the waiter actually asked me for ID to prove I am over 18. When the hell did someone have to be over 18 to order pizza?!

I can't speak to that particular shop, and I don't know the circumstances, but some places (Dave & Busters is one that comes to mind) don't allow unaccompanied minors after a certain time (10pm or so) so they may have such a policy.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:18 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
If it is a marketing thing, then they are doing a pretty bad job at it. It just looks silly in a negative light. I don't need to see the huge buttons that dwarf their name tag that says 39 1/2 in freaky colors. WTF?!

Does a button that says they card really that big of a deal? I frankly could give a dam.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:25 am

When I was 19, I was driving from Boston with my mom to my parents house in NY. At the time my mom was 58. We stopped at a TGI Fridays for dinner, and my mom ordered a glass of wine, while I ordered a sparkling water. My mom was carded by the waitress because according to the waitress, "she looked like she could be under 21". Now, I know my mom looks younger than 58, but she definitely does not look younger than 40 maybe 50. When my mom asked whether she was serious, see said she was, and said my mom should take it as a compliment.

Needless to say my mom didn't, and asked to see the manager. After a conversation with the manager, my mother's meal was comped, and we were offered an apology by the waitress. In the words of my mom, "When you get to a certain age, you value being respected for you age, and it becomes insulting to be told you look like you are a third of your age." I couldn't agree more.

Alcohol restrictions are just bogus. If they were carding me, it would have been one thing. But to card my almost 60 year old mother is quite another. Especially when there was no policy etc. stating that they do, just an overzealous waitress.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:25 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
In the land of the free, you cannot walk into alot of liquor stores unless you are 21. And not only that but you cannot walk into some restaurants/bars if you are not 21 after a certain hour.

Depends on the state. I see kids in the bars all the time in some states. It also depends where you are too. In Chicago you have a bunch law and order types who would never allow a kid in a bar, even with mom and dad. I have been to bars in small southern Illinois towns and have seen teens drinking. It really depends if the locals really care or not.

I drank in bars in Pennsylvania when I was underage, with my dad, and nobody cared.

At least until 2001 you only had to be 19 to get into a bar in Illinois. A lot of bars required 21 as they would not have to worry about their employees serving minors.

There is bar by my work, in Michigan, that has great burgers. I know a lot of the under 21 crowd goes there to eat, because it is good and cheap. They can be in the bar all they want as long as they don't sit at the bar.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
I've had that happen at a Pizza Hut in Kansas city (I was 20 at the time), apparently I didnt look 20..so the waiter actually asked me for ID to prove I am over 18. When the hell did someone have to be over 18 to order pizza?! Ridiculous.

Maybe, maybe not. They may have a rule about too many minors in the place because of problems like skipping out on the bill. A lot of the McDonald's in Detroit enforce a 20 minute rule. You get 20 minutes to eat and then get out. I have never been bothered by it and neither has anyone else who is actually eating. It is there to keep bums and trouble making kids out. I used to work at a urban high school next to a McD's. They hated when school got out because our kids would flood the place, order little, and leave the place a wreck.


A lot of places want to keep the kids out because customers don't want them there. I really don't care to drink in a place with a bunch of noisey and know it all young people. I'm past that point now and I just want to get drunk in peace.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):
On one occasion the store clerk himself looked under 18..and he is asking me for ID so that I can buy beer.

Good thing he asked. If he didn't ask he could have been fired or ticketed. He was doing his job.
If the clerk was under age to sell beer he would have had to have another clerk ring it up. That happens to me from time to time. No big deal.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
in Florida my dad was ID'ed at the age of 37 for a piss... I mean budweiser. Political correctness gone insane.

That is nothing. My dad and I were both carded at Buffalo Wild Wings, I'm 34 and he is 61! We didn't make a big deal out of it, we showed the waitress our IDs and proceeded to drink.

Really, why do you all really care about being IDed? If I had a job were I could be prosecuted and fired for selling to under age people I would card everyone just to be sure. I would rather have you be pissed than be in front of a judge or out of a job. You should have your ID on you to begin with and if you are paying by credit/debit card I damn sure want to be carded so I know that they don't let any ole' person use any credit card.

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 9):
He then explained that due to them getting busted, the owner required everybody, all the time get checked

That happens all the time.
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:29 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
Does a button that says they card really that big of a deal?

To me, yes. It is a huge button and turn-off. I don't need to be hassled by restaurant folks going after me and my adult friends with a made-up law. I am there to give them my business and relax. The law is 21. Not 39 1/2.

My dad is 60+ years old. He still gets carded at Red Robin. See the problem here??

This is why I have not gone to a Red Robin in a quite awhile now because of that. It is getting out of hand.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:56 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Thread starter):

I'm sure there are people out there who look younger than they really are, any by all means, ID them. But to actually get employees to check for ID of someone who is twice the legal drinking age? WTF?

I am for ID checks when it comes to purchasing alcohol, but enough is enough. A few years back, during the 4th of July Weekend, this teenager cashier at Waldbaums demanded to see my ID. I was, 35 y/o that day. I refused to show and demanded to see a manager.

So here comes the manager. After all the explanation from the cashier, Mr Manager took his side and wold not let me buy (a six pack), unless i'd produced my ID Well, i refused to show them my ID and left a full shopping cart and walked away.
Yes, i wasn't buying just a six pack.
Oh yeah, i went to Shop RIte. But nobody there asked me for my ID.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:23 am

Last time I was carded was when I was 32 and attempting to buy non-alcoholic sparkling wine for a New Years party with two pregnant women in Memphis, TN. I had left my passport at the house, and had to double back.   Didn't think much of TN in general.

In Florida I haven't been bothered since... probably since I turned about 18, maybe a little earlier. Only problem was 2 1/2 years ago, trying to buy a six pack of beer at Publix. I had forgotten my wallet, but had my passport. But they wouldn't allow my 18-yr-old brother to pay. We had to walk out of the store, he gave me the cash, I walked back in, and bought the bottles. Genius alert!!
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:30 am

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 17):
cashier at Waldbaums

Ok, completely off topic. But they still have Waldbaums? Holy crap. We haven't had those here for like 10-15 years.... Waldbaums Foodmart... miss that store.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 1:35 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
This is why I have not gone to a Red Robin in a quite awhile now because of that

I don't go there because I don't like stupid chain resturants.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 17):
So here comes the manager. After all the explanation from the cashier, Mr Manager took his side and wold not let me buy (a six pack), unless i'd produced my ID Well, i refused to show them my ID and left a full shopping cart and walked away.
Yes, i wasn't buying just a six pack.
Oh yeah, i went to Shop RIte. But nobody there asked me for my ID.

You wasted all that time and you proved nothing. That clerk probably assumed you weren't 21 because you got so pissed off. You already had your wallet out to pay for your stuff so you already had your ID handy.

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 18):
Last time I was carded was when I was 32 and attempting to buy non-alcoholic sparkling wine for a New Years party with two pregnant women in Memphis, TN

Around these parts Some stores won't sell spray paint to people under 18 (kids huff it). That took me off guard when a local hardware store asked for ID to buy paint. I showed the clerk my ID (I was 28) and that was that. Big F'in deal.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:00 am

I got ID'd last week for purchasing a neti pot in a grocery store!
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:21 am

I work at a pharmacy in NY and our company policy is to I.D. anyone who reasonably appears to be under the age of 30. So, if you look like you are 25, but you are 35, you will need to show your I.D. It's risky if a cashier does not ask for an I.D. In NY the police will actually hire underage individuals, or very young looking adults, to go into a store/bar/restaurant to try and buy alcohol or cigarettes. If the "sting" operator is not asked to show an I.D., the seller of the alcohol, such as the cashier, can actually be fined or even arrested, as well as the holder of the liquor license being fined.

We are also required to I.D. any individuals that approach the counter with the purchaser of the alcohol. So, if two young men approach the counter, one carrying a case of beer, they will BOTH need to show valid I.D. The reason for this being, the buyer could be buying the alcohol for the possibly underage person with him. I have seen this happen before, where a teenager who was probably17 came in the store with an older man, and actually pointed to the beer he wanted. Obvious lesson, if you are buying alcohol for a minor, DO NOT bring them in the store with you (people are just stupid)! However, it obviously would not be necessary for a young child to show an I.D. if their parent is buying alcohol, UNLESS the child places the alcohol on the counter themselves. Then it can be assumed that the child is the purchaser of the alcohol, and the state could view that as selling alcohol to a minor. This is also true if the child carries the alcohol to, places the alcohol in, or holds the alcohol in the car.

When I first started working at the pharmacy, a cashier was actually taken out of the store in handcuffs for selling alcohol to a minor of a "sting" operation. So, if you are asked to show an I.D., JUST DO IT! Don't ask questions. The cashier is doing their job and protecting their own a**.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 2:35 am

If a chain or individual invests $100k's to millions in a site, setting it up, for a license, advertising and to keep people working, they have a need to protect that investment. Their liability insurers may be behind the ID All requirement so to keep that insuance and reduce claims. Sell to a minor, especially if they drive and get caught DUI or kill someone in a DUI accident and you will face massive lawsuits they will ruin you.

I also think by ID'ing all, it may show if the person is already intoxicated and should not be served.

I don't like how In some states and licenced businesses, they have readers for the Drivers' licenses to verify the info on it. That info can be stored and misused for marketing to some bouncer getting the home address of a hot woman.

I used to work in a full liquor store in New Jersey back in 1976-77 when the age was 18. (I was about 22-23 at the time). I was very strict as to requiring ID although I suspect I wasn't perfect. There were a number of clues when someone was under 18 and trying to buy. I know a few times I ID's people in their 30's but after a while you learn to not to do that. Last year under current owners that store got shut down for several months and were even threatened the license taken back by the town due to being caught 3 times selling to minors.

Still, it is silly that we trust 18-19 year olds to drive, to own and use a gun, serve in the military, sign most contracts, go away to College yet they cannot drink. But I guess that is due to too many in the past abusing the opportunity to drink and that too many that age in the USA own or have access to cars and tended to get into DUI accidents.
 
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:26 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 20):
You already had your wallet out to pay for your stuff so you already had your ID handy.

didn't have my wallet out. didn't waste my time either.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:49 am

I don't really see the problem with showing ID. It's much easier than actually arguing with the staff, and potentially getting pissed off and ruining the night/outing.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:58 am

Quoting Bluefly (Reply 22):
I work at a pharmacy in NY and our company policy is to I.D. anyone who reasonably appears to be under the age of 30.

Therein lies the problem. There is no such thing as "reasonably appears". I am not buying that logic. That is profiling.

Quoting Bluefly (Reply 22):
So, if you look like you are 25, but you are 35, you will need to show your I.D.

   You have GOT to be kidding me!!!!    There is no way a 35 year old person is going to look 25.

Quoting Bluefly (Reply 22):
So, if you are asked to show an I.D., JUST DO IT!

I don't need to. I'll take my business elsewhere.

Quoting Bluefly (Reply 22):
The cashier is doing their job and protecting their own a**.

Probably, but then again, some hormone infested 16 year old teenage boy is probably wanting to see where this hot chick lives.....
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RE: Legal Drinking Age 19: Restaurant IDs Under 39 1/2

Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:13 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 8):
Here it's perfectly legal for a kid to be in the bar. They're not allowed to drink alcohol or be in there after 8 or 9 at night but other wise they can sit and have a coke with their mates, parents, dog, whatever.

Our liquor laws are the greatest ...

- You can order a drink in a restaurant but you have to order food. Minors are allowed to enter restaurants.
- You can order a drink in a pub without ordering food. Minors are not allowed to enter pubs.
- Pubs can make a seperate area for families (minors are allowed) but you are not allowed to order any alcohol period.

Lol!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
It's a marketing thing. Nothing more. It's just Red Robin being quirky.

Bad marketing in my opinion. Sure you'll get the odd gal going through a midlife crisis who I'm sure will be flattered. But to actually go out and pester your paying customer for no reason at all ... not very smart IMHO.

Quoting moose135 (Reply 12):
There are some places that require proof of age from everybody to purchase alcohol. I've been checked at the late Shea Stadium in NYC, at age 45, because everyone needs to show ID. We were in Harry Carey's restaurant in MDW, waiting for a flight home on a business trip - everyone needed to show ID, including the 55 year old, white haired gentleman in our group. It's probably easier that way from an enforcement standpoint. There is no "well, I thought he looked old enough" decisions for the clerk/server to make, no arguments about "why did I have to show ID when my friends didn't" and less chance of getting caught by law enforcement for selling to underage patrons.

But that policy defies any logic or common sense. Its one thing to ID someone who looks under the legal age, but with a lot of people, its not hard to tell that they ain't 19 or 21 anymore.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
To me, yes. It is a huge button and turn-off. I don't need to be hassled by restaurant folks going after me and my adult friends with a made-up law. I am there to give them my business and relax. The law is 21. Not 39 1/2.

Same here, the law is the law. If you need to ID because you suspect someone being under the legal age thats one thing, but to actually make up a policy IDing people twice the legal age .... rubbish!

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
My dad is 60+ years old. He still gets carded at Red Robin. See the problem here??

Yup, I see it!

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
This is why I have not gone to a Red Robin in a quite awhile now because of that. It is getting out of hand.

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Quoting varigb707 (Reply 17):
I am for ID checks when it comes to purchasing alcohol, but enough is enough.

So am I, as long as there is some reasonable logic behind it.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 20):
I don't go there because I don't like stupid chain resturants.

Like I said earlier ... there burgers are soooo tasty though ... LOL!

Quoting okees (Reply 25):
I don't really see the problem with showing ID. It's much easier than actually arguing with the staff, and potentially getting pissed off and ruining the night/outing.

On the contrary, I actually find it amusing fighting with the staff on this. I realize its just their job, but seriously, enough is enough of this garbage.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
Quoting Bluefly (Reply 22):
So, if you are asked to show an I.D., JUST DO IT!
Not if there is no legal or logical reasoning behind it I won't.
I don't need to. I'll take my business elsewhere.

Which I may do. I fired off an email to them earlier today, see what they say and go from there.

Now, when we went the other day, even though I refused to show my ID, I still got my pint of Rickards Red so all was good. But, what if they refused to give me my beverage? Can they legally do that? I would think that they can't unless they have reasonable belief you are a minor policy or not.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:36 am

Several of my extended family easily look old enough to drink legally but in fact they are only 17 .... the long and short of it is that folks livelihoods and jobs depend on not selling alcohol to potentially under age customers.

It only takes for one person to be served under age and your licence to sell alcolhol can be revolked so why risk it - better to lose the odd customer than your job or your business?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
There is no way a 35 year old person is going to look 25.

Why not? It was my birthday a few weeks back, several people asked me how old I was that day, and I replied by asking 'how old do you think' ?.... most guessed around 35 .... I was actually 45 that day!
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:40 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 15):

Really, why do you all really care about being IDed? If I had a job were I could be prosecuted and fired for selling to under age people I would card everyone just to be sure. I would rather have you be pissed than be in front of a judge or out of a job. You should have your ID on you to begin with and if you are paying by credit/debit card I damn sure want to be carded so I know that they don't let any ole' person use any credit card.

Because sometimes it's ridiculous. I mean if you're obviously older than 18 (or 19 or 21 or however old the age is where ever you are) then what's the point? If It was me trying to buy it - that's fair enough. Otherwise it's just a waste of time.

Here's a photo of me (a bad one, but that's not the point, you can still see my face). Would you agree that I would need to be ID'ed? I'm 18 in a few months time so I'm not going to change much. However, in 30 years time when I'm 47 coming up on 48, I'm not going to look this young (or hopefully look like I don't still have acne, which makes me appear younger).

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It's madness. It shouldn't be so difficult to get beer if you're obviously over 18. If you're not, then that's fair enough. Otherwise it's just a pain in the ass.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:46 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
Therein lies the problem. There is no such thing as "reasonably appears". I am not buying that logic. That is profiling.

Well I buy beer every week at the same supermarket now even though I get irritated at getting carded at 46 I do it because I do understand that they have a licence to lose and want to make a uniform policy. What I don't get is that I go to this same place every week and this one woman cards me always by now I would think that she would know that "hey it's that guy who buys beer every week" and know I am of age but she does it anyway..Thankfully I have a wallet that has a clear plastic outside to slip my licence in so I just flip my wallet and show it..Never have to remove it from the wallet.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:58 am

Quoting yodobashi (Reply 28):
Why not?

That is why they have what's called "age brackets".

Quoting yodobashi (Reply 28):
most guessed around 35 .... I was actually 45 that day!

Because you do not look like you are 25. Again, age bracket.

Quoting stratosphere (Reply 30):
I do understand that they have a licence to lose and want to make a uniform policy.

Probably because they had someone who screwed up and sold to minors.

Now, a new debate: Fake ID's. They are everywhere. How would a store clerk who is 18 or 20 tell the difference between a fake ID and a real, valid ID? That's a real problem nowadays.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:21 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 31):
Now, a new debate: Fake ID's. They are everywhere. How would a store clerk who is 18 or 20 tell the difference between a fake ID and a real, valid ID? That's a real problem nowadays.

Simple: Launch national ID cards, and give them most of the safety features a passport has (including making them machine readable). The German ID card (at least the one that will cease to be issued by November) reminds you of the section in the passport that contains your personal information and picture, and it's machine readable (only that instead of P for passport, the machine readable part starts with ID), and it contains pretty much all features (which you can see in the proper light/angle) minus the RFID chip. It also contains the address of the ID holder in the back, which can only be changed by the local authorities with a sticker.

The new ID card to be issued in November will have the RFID chip, it can contain voluntarily provided information on your finger prints, will be in credit card size and will still be machine readable. Only the address part will still need to be changed via the special sticker that is required. Sure, I concede that they could still be subject to forgery, but it's still a lot harder to forge an official ID card than to forge your Social Security card or driver's licence.

Anyway, I still find it ridiculous that you're ID'ed if you're under 39.5. How the hell do they know you're under 39.5, when you could almost look like you're over 40?
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:32 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
Probably, but then again, some hormone infested 16 year old teenage boy is probably wanting to see where this hot chick lives.....

Or maybe the 16-year old boy doesn't want to pay the $3000 fine associated with selling alcohol to someone underage. (Yes, that's the fine in CA, and the individual who sells the alcohol has to pay, not the business.)
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 7:37 am

Quoting falstaff (Reply 15):
Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 4):
In the land of the free, you cannot walk into alot of liquor stores unless you are 21. And not only that but you cannot walk into some restaurants/bars if you are not 21 after a certain hour.

Depends on the state.

True... In Texas I've walked into a Spec's liquor store with my friend who was 18 at the time while I was 22. There was nothing stopping my friend from walking into the store and going up and down the aisles, but the thing is I told him that he couldn't stand with me while I bought a bottle of Jack Daniels as he would have been carded as well due to the fact that the cashier could assume that I was simply buying the bottle for my underage friend (which I wasn't).
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:15 am

I didn't read all the replies but here's my story. I'm a server in a college town in Colorado. It is not a chain. We don't have a fule stating "card under age XX." My managers tell me card everyone because even if you are 70, and you look it, if you don't have an ID we can't serve you (a good way to get out of serving bums). Obviously there is some discretion, but the cops have been doing stings recently and at least two restaurants (one very upscale) have been penalized lately for serving underage. My understanding is they send an underage person in and if they are served the waiter or bartender is led away in handcuffs, and the restaurant fined at least a few thousand dollars. I don't know about you, but I'd rather be safe than sorry. I know this may insult someone and as someone working for tips I am cognizant of treating my guests with respect. But at all costs, I'd rather "live to serve another day" if you get my drift.

I know a lot of out-of-towners are surprised but the business we do and the "clientele" we have what with fake ID's and such require a larger amount of scrutiny than many including myself would prefer.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:15 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Thread starter):
Last time I checked, the legal drinking age in British Columbia is 19. Now, if a business "suspects" me of being under the age of 19 thats one thing, but for a company (Red Robin) to make it their policy to ID someone under the age of 39 1/2 has seriously got some issues going on.

This seems to be a phenomenon specific to BC lately. I am from BC but now live in Ontario. I am 18 and let me tell you - it is never a problem to get served here. I live in Ottawa so I'm also in Quebec quite often (where I am legal) and get ID'ed there MORE often than in Ontario. Go figure...
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 4:36 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 33):
Or maybe the 16-year old boy doesn't want to pay the $3000 fine associated with selling alcohol to someone underage.

16 year old's don't understand how much money that would be and the ramifications of his/her actions would ensue later on in life. This is the type of stuff that can come back and haunt him later. I am more for having anyone 21 or older to be doing store clerk stuff.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 32):
Simple: Launch national ID cards, and give them most of the safety features a passport has (including making them machine readable).

There was a debate about that not too long ago in the U.S. on that very issue, which was related to the Illegal Immigrant debate. The majority of the people has spoken that it invades privacy....or something along the lines of that. I don't think we will ever see a national ID program here.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting Bluefly (Reply 22):
In NY the police will actually hire underage individuals, or very young looking adults, to go into a store/bar/restaurant to try and buy alcohol or cigarettes. If the "sting" operator is not asked to show an I.D., the seller of the alcohol, such as the cashier, can actually be fined or even arrested, as well as the holder of the liquor license being fined.

That happened to my friend's dad in Missouri. He retired and took a part time job at a local grocery store. The local police sent in "older looking" minors to try and buy beer. He sold beer to the kid and was fired and was prosecuted. He was fined $1500. At his new job he carded everybody....

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 26):
There is no way a 35 year old person is going to look 25.

I don't know. We have a math teacher, at work, who is 42 and she could easily pass for 25.

I would rather piss off one of you that gets soooo upset by having to show your ID than to get busted and lose my job or business by not carding somebody and they end up being underage.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:21 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 3):
Lol .... Budweiser ... gross .... lol!

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Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 36):
This seems to be a phenomenon specific to BC lately. I am from BC but now live in Ontario. I am 18 and let me tell you - it is never a problem to get served here.

Then don't try it at YYZ's T1. I was carded there couple of months ago. I'm 44...
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:06 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 39):
Then don't try it at YYZ's T1. I was carded there couple of months ago. I'm 44...

That's silly, but obviously everyone who is flying should have ID on them. It doesn't mean it's not disrespectful though...

Even when I DO get carded in Ontario they aren't very dilligent about examining the picture closely!  
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:39 pm

I'll give you guys a story that did upset me regarding being IDed. In 1998 (I was 22) I was buying beer at a gas station in Eureka, Missouri and I was carded. I showed the clerk my ID and she said that I wasn't 21. I laughed and said I know I'm not 21, I'm 22. She looked confused and said "it says you were born in 1976 and that wasn't 21 years ago. I said that was true because 1976 was 22 years ago. She began to count backwards on her fingers. I told her to look at the calender on the wall that said that you need to be born on or before this date, in 1977, to buy alcohol. She said that I was born after 1977. I said no I was born before 1977. The man standing in line behind me jumped in and pointed that out too. By this time there was another person standing in line and they began to laugh at the stupid clerk. I put five bucks on the counter and walked out. As I was leaving the man in line behind me ask her how she was able to count change. That gas station is nolonger there.
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Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:38 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 41):
I'll give you guys a story that did upset me regarding being IDed. In 1998 (I was 22) I was buying beer at a gas station in Eureka, Missouri and I was carded. I showed the clerk my ID and she said that I wasn't 21. I laughed and said I know I'm not 21, I'm 22. She looked confused and said "it says you were born in 1976 and that wasn't 21 years ago. I said that was true because 1976 was 22 years ago. She began to count backwards on her fingers. I told her to look at the calender on the wall that said that you need to be born on or before this date, in 1977, to buy alcohol. She said that I was born after 1977. I said no I was born before 1977. The man standing in line behind me jumped in and pointed that out too. By this time there was another person standing in line and they began to laugh at the stupid clerk. I put five bucks on the counter and walked out. As I was leaving the man in line behind me ask her how she was able to count change. That gas station is nolonger there.

Yikes... I've heard stories about small-town America... But that's just ridiculous.
 
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Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:07 am

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 42):
I've heard stories about small-town America... But that's just ridiculous.

That really isn't small town... Eureka is a far western suburb of St. Louis. I also had a similar incident happen when I was 18 and wanted to buy a pack of smokes. I guess ou don't need to be a big wheel to work at a gas station.
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Thu Apr 01, 2010 4:30 am

The Liquor Depot in Richmond sucks... they have a guy on the door and he wants TWO pieces of ID before he even lets you in. I can sort of understand this, no disrespect to any Chinese people, but particularly the girls do often look very young for their age (I often do a double take to see what looks like a 14 year old driving a car) and in Richmond a large proportion of the clientele are Chinese people. However, I go 2-3 times per month, the guy must begin to recognize his regular customers and surely figure that I am 10 days older than when he last checked me and 17 days older than the time before that....... I dont go there anymore unless it an emergency on a Sunday and the BC Liquor Store is closed (as in people coming round and we have no wine for dinner, not that I cant last another 24 hours without a Scotch...    )

Quoting falstaff (Reply 43):
Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 42):
I've heard stories about small-town America... But that's just ridiculous.

That really isn't small town...

This is no small town either. My boss and I were in Tacoma WA and ended up in a pretty gross pub, obviously a local hangout, and they evidently didnt seen strangers too often and ignored us for the longest time. I was 27 at the time, I have designer stubble / beard and look all of my age (in fact my waitress in my local thought I was 32 when I was first getting to know her....   ) but the woman behind the bar refused to bring me a beer without ID. I had my passport on me (Im a Brit so needed it to get across the border) and she refused it, she had never seen a British passport before and didnt trust it - she wanted a drivers license. So I produced it - again a British one - and it finally satisfied her. After round 3, she finally warmed up a bit and chatted and said she thought we were from the Liquor Board and were onto her, and it was some scam to bring in an underage drinker to nail her and close her down.... guilty conscience or paranoia...
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Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:26 am

The state govenments here occasionaly hire teenagers under 18 to try to buy cigarettes without ID. The store owners are the ones who get fined, not the employees, the same with liquor outlets/bars. Most liqour stores & cigarette counters in supermarkets here have signage stating that they require ID if you look under 25. It's also a requirement for those working in licenced premises (bars, pubs & liquor stores) to have a 'Responsible Service of Alcohol' accreditation. It's not uncommon for large pubs & nightclubs here to request photo ID from everyone at the door, as the 'licencee' can lose their liqour licence or face large fines if they have repeat offences for selling to those underage (18 here).
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Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:12 pm

Quoting moose135 (Reply 12):
There are some places that require proof of age from everybody to purchase alcohol. I've been checked at the late Shea Stadium in NYC, at age 45, because everyone needs to show ID.

Happened to me at Angels stadium and I didn't have my ID. Luckily, my 23 year old daughter was with me and she had her ID. It was wierd having my daughter score beer for me.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 15):
Really, why do you all really care about being IDed? I

When you're 50+ and someone half your age questions wether you're old enough to buy a beer, it's insulting. Just the other day at a pizza parlor that I frequent, I was carded for the first time in 15+ visits! It was a new bartender but she was being really bitchy about it. When the manager walked by and said "hi" to me, she changed her tune.

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 23):
If a chain or individual invests $100k's to millions in a site, setting it up, for a license, advertising and to keep people working, they have a need to protect that investment. Their liability insurers may be behind the ID All requirement so to keep that insuance and reduce claims. Sell to a minor, especially if they drive and get caught DUI or kill someone in a DUI accident and you will face massive lawsuits they will ruin you.

This is the reality of it all. Even though you obviously look old enough, they might think you are doing a compliance audit for the insurer.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 27):
But there burgers are sooooo tasty

I love the Bonzai burger. Veggie of course.

Quoting Growly150 (Reply 35):
My managers tell me card everyone because even if you are 70, and you look it, if you don't have an ID we can't serve you (a good way to get out of serving bums).

Another good reason. The sign on my wall reads "No Checks" but I take them, unless I don't know you. CYA.

Quoting falstaff (Reply 38):
We have a math teacher, at work, who is 42 and she could easily pass for 25.

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Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:34 pm

Quoting kevinl1011 (Reply 46):
Anyone ever seen that CNBC show where they entrap guys who think they are meeting an underage girl for sex?

That is actually on DatelineNBC with Chris Matthews.
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Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:27 pm

Quoting ACDC8 (Thread starter):
Is it just me, or is this "We ID Under Age XX" campaign really starting to get out of hand?

I totally agree with you. That said, I see that far less in Canada than I do in the States.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):

BTW, I get double-IDd in alot of places with my out of state ID when I go a certain liquor store chain.

Used to happen a lot in CA, before ID technology in other states caught up to what they were doing here (at the time, mostly holograms and readable strips). Indeed, a lot of places would even go so far as to not allow out-of-state ID holders to come in, which could have gotten them nailed if said ID holders wanted to make life difficult on the bar.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):

In a certain UK pub chain (I shall not tell you who, but it rhymes with speatherwoons....) had no problem with my group of friends in (perfectly legal, we were 16/17 with a few at 18 but only bought for themselves), then all of a sudden it became against the law for us to drink (coke) in there.

I'm guessing this 'spoons had gotten caught recently serving someone underage.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 5):

I've had that happen at a Pizza Hut in Kansas city (I was 20 at the time), apparently I didnt look 20..so the waiter actually asked me for ID to prove I am over 18. When the hell did someone have to be over 18 to order pizza?!

Seems ridiculous. I would walk out. Kansas City is big enough to find another pizza restaurant, likely better than Pizza Hut.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 6):

Cerfew is the only thing I can think of.

Curfew? Possible, but not necessarily probable.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 8):

Just as well I don't live in the land of the free then.

Definitely don't live in the land of the free.

Quoting Lufthansa411 (Reply 14):
My mom was carded by the waitress because according to the waitress, "she looked like she could be under 21". Now, I know my mom looks younger than 58, but she definitely does not look younger than 40 maybe 50. When my mom asked whether she was serious, see said she was, and said my mom should take it as a compliment.

Needless to say my mom didn't, and asked to see the manager. After a conversation with the manager, my mother's meal was comped, and we were offered an apology by the waitress. In the words of my mom, "When you get to a certain age, you value being respected for you age, and it becomes insulting to be told you look like you are a third of your age." I couldn't agree more.

My aunt (uncle's wife), who was 30 at the time, got really offended by being carded in Vegas to buy some tropical drink at the Luxor about 16 years ago. Several of my other aunts, all her older sisters-in-law, started laughing and telling her that they would be happy to be thought to be so young.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 36):
I live in Ottawa so I'm also in Quebec quite often (where I am legal) and get ID'ed there MORE often than in Ontario

I think they card more in Quebec because they are more likely to get 16 year olds trying to skirt the law.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 32):
Simple: Launch national ID cards, and give them most of the safety features a passport has (including making them machine readable).

No thank you.
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Fri Apr 02, 2010 2:48 am

In NJ , you have to be 18 to sell alcohol or work on a casino floor.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 33):
Or maybe the 16-year old boy doesn't want to pay the $3000 fine associated with selling alcohol to someone underage. (Yes, that's the fine in CA, and the individual who sells the alcohol has to pay, not the business.)

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