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Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:01 pm

OK, I can understand them targeting some of the US Navy auxiliaries that look like freighters. However, a frigate does not look like a freighter. And they opened fire first. What were they thinking?

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/04/01/navy.pirates/
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:10 pm

"Look, man, a ship, let's take it and become rich"

"No, man, I think its a warship"

"No, they painted it to look like a warship, I am not fooled by that, it is a container ship"

"Okay, lets take it, I'll drive our boat, you shoot your gun"

"Oh shit.... a container ship that shoots back"

"They can't fool us anymore, let's take that ship. Are you ready to climb aboard it and take the crew hostage?"

"Yes, let's do it"

"Oh shit, it is a US Navy warship, we are fucked".

"I told you it was a warship".

[Edited 2010-04-01 08:12:10]
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:30 pm

Probably full of the drug qat up to their eyeballs.

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Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:45 pm

Hey that guy with the private jet can bail us out! Why? HE CAN AFFORD IT!
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:55 pm

Bravo Zulu to the crew of the USS NICHOLAS(FFG-47), my Fig shipmates.

FFG's, the little ships that could.

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:57 pm

I hope they read them their rights, so that they could have a proper trial here in the US with the other Islamic terrorist.... A joke.
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:12 pm

Quoting YANQUI67 (Reply 5):
I hope they read them their rights, so that they could have a proper trial here in the US with the other Islamic terrorist.... A joke.

Nah, they'll hopefully turn them over to Singapore.  
Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 4):
FFG's, the little ships that could.

No question about that, but I prefer the old DDGs, like the Cochrane I was on in '69.
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:04 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Probably full of the drug qat up to their eyeballs.

No probably about it. I spent years in Yemen and 90% of the males there were regular chewers. Much of their supply came from Somalia and Ethiopia.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:08 pm

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 4):
Bravo Zulu to the crew of the USS NICHOLAS(FFG-47), my Fig shipmates.

I'd be interested - what do you think the initial reaction was on the bridge when the Nicholas got fired upon? Was it:

- WTF?

or

- Oh hell no you didn't just . . .
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:17 pm

Rule number one of being a Somali pirate:

Do not mess with the US Navy!

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 2):
Probably full of the drug qat up to their eyeballs.

Yeah it was likely drug-induced, even the least educated, most desperate pirate should know better...
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:33 pm

Quoting RaginMav (Reply 9):
Rule number one of being a Somali pirate:

Do not mess with the US Navy!

Damn right!

They messed with the bull and got the horns.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:38 pm

Quoting N328KF (Thread starter):
What were they thinking?

They clearly weren't. Either that, or they were so stupid as to think "Hey, that's a rather small warship. I bet we can take it and get even more than for a load of oil." Then they got their a$$es handed to them.

Quoting GatorFan (Reply 8):
I'd be interested - what do you think the initial reaction was on the bridge when the Nicholas got fired upon? Was it:

- WTF?

or

- Oh hell no you didn't just . . .

I'm partial too "I didn't know mosquitoes buzzed around in open sea. Oh well. SMASH IT."

Seriously though, there had to be a ton of laughing involved.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:44 pm

Quoting GatorFan (Reply 8):
I'd be interested - what do you think the initial reaction was on the bridge when the Nicholas got fired upon? Was it:

- WTF?

or

- Oh hell no you didn't just . . .

Are they THAT Stupid?

and then a mad dash to see who would man the fifty first, or the 25mm chain gun. Me, I would have engaged them with the 76mm.

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Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:13 pm

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:15 pm

According to the report, the pirates opened fire shortly after midnight. I don't know much about ships, but are they totally lit up well in the night? Maybe the pirates couldn't make out that the ship was a warship when they opened fire  ?
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:34 pm

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 12):
Me, I would have engaged them with the 76mm.

Ooooooh yeah!. It says they sunk the skiff, so perhaps they put a round in from one of those?
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:59 pm

Stupid is what stupid get. I hope these idiots stay out of the jean pool
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:14 pm

Quoting YANQUI67 (Reply 5):
I hope they read them their rights, so that they could have a proper trial here in the US with the other Islamic terrorist....

Sure we can show the other pirates how we take the moral high ground and then they will stop attacking ships.

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Stupid is what stupid get. I hope these idiots stay out of the jean pool

You mean like the pirates that got presents last Easter of a bullet to the brain?
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:28 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
Stupid is what stupid get. I hope these idiots stay out of the jean pool

Stupid? Jean pool??? I do recall a certain tale about rocks and glass houses, but I just can't seem to remember what it was all about  
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:02 am

The pirates wanted to board the USS Nicholas. Right? They got their wish. They're on board the USS Nicholas. I don't think they were planning on being in the brig though.  

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:39 am

Too bad they didn't sink their main boat, taking a bunch of the terrorists with it. I also think we need to go after their bases, blockade the ports these terror-pirates use to keep them out and stuff comming in.
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:51 pm

Maybe the pirates were hoping to hit and kill a sailor on deck and then get the heck out of dodge?
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:22 pm

When the US Navy issues a press release and refers to the "USS Nicholas" does it mean only the ship itself or anything associated with the ship like helicopters, dinghies, or boats that the ship might have launched?

I can't really see any pirate being dumb enough to fire on a warship; but a boat or dinghy from the ship? Maybe.

Also, if the warship returned fire, wouldn't they use weaponry that would completely blow the pirates out of the water? There are no reports of anybody being injured and the pirate vessel was only "disabled" before being boarded.

This sounds to me like a small boat action in the middle of the night. I bet anybody off-watch on the Nicholas didn't even have their sleep disturbed.
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:03 pm

Reminds me of last year when pirates fired a few shots on the Peter the Great, the largest non-aircraft carrying warship in the world, that was returning to Russia after visits to Indian Ocean countries. Needless to say those 11 pirates were not turned over to anyone and are now serving sentances in a much colder place than they are used to.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 9:14 pm

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 20):
Too bad they didn't sink their main boat, taking a bunch of the terrorists with it. I also think we need to go after their bases, blockade the ports these terror-pirates use to keep them out and stuff comming in.

I think they took possession of the mother ship. Perhaps they should do a nice, slow cruise along the Somali coast with that ship in tow to show what happens when you mess with the US Navy?

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 22):

Also, if the warship returned fire, wouldn't they use weaponry that would completely blow the pirates out of the water? There are no reports of anybody being injured and the pirate vessel was only "disabled" before being boarded.

The article said they sunk the skiff and captured the mother ship.

Quoting tu204 (Reply 23):
Reminds me of last year when pirates fired a few shots on the Peter the Great, the largest non-aircraft carrying warship in the world, that was returning to Russia after visits to Indian Ocean countries. Needless to say those 11 pirates were not turned over to anyone and are now serving sentances in a much colder place than they are used to.

Haha. The Russians likely were far less nice than the US.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:43 pm

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I hope they read them their rights,

You have the right to remain dead.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Fri Apr 02, 2010 11:56 pm

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 22):
I can't really see any pirate being dumb enough to fire on a warship; but a boat or dinghy from the ship? Maybe.

You'd better believe it! They make a habit out of it! Just last month there where two reported cases of pirates attacking the Dutch frigate Hr. Ms. Tromp.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:55 am

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 26):
You'd better believe it! They make a habit out of it! Just last month there where two reported cases of pirates attacking the Dutch frigate Hr. Ms. Tromp.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Hr._Ms._Tromp_%28F803%29.jpg/670px-Hr._Ms._Tromp_%28F803%29.jpg

Idiots. Looks like she made quick work of a few groups of pirates. Yo ho, yo ho, we took your satellite phones.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:52 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
"Yes, let's do it"

"Oh shit, it is a US Navy warship, we are fucked".

"I told you it was a warship".

LOL!


And yeah, sidenote: GENE pool. Just sayin.  

Nice to see the Somalis getting punked back. Dumbasses.
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:46 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 25):
Quoting YANQUI67 (Reply 5):
I hope they read them their rights,

You have the right to remain dead.
Any weapons within our reach can and will be used against you.

        

Quoting Slider (Reply 28):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
"Yes, let's do it"

"Oh shit, it is a US Navy warship, we are fucked".

"I told you it was a warship".

LOL!

     

Quoting petertenthije (Reply 26):
They make a habit out of it! Just last month there where two reported cases of pirates attacking the Dutch frigate Hr. Ms. Tromp.

     
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:31 pm

I still think they ought to revive the idea of the Q-ship--it looks like a civilian ship until you come too close and this ship suddenly unveils turrets of 12.7 mm M2 Ma Deuce and 25 mm M242 Bushmaster guns.  The pirate ship will be shot up like Swiss cheese before it sinks into the water.
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:55 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 23):
Reminds me of last year when pirates fired a few shots on the Peter the Great, the largest non-aircraft carrying warship in the world

Here is a photo of Pyotr Velikiy:

http://luizcore.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/rfs-pyotr-velikiy-tapk-183-in-1997.jpg
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Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:33 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 31):
Here is a photo of Pyotr Velikiy:

Oh yeah, that looks like a pushover...  
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Sun Apr 04, 2010 5:22 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 30):
I still think they ought to revive the idea of the Q-ship--it looks like a civilian ship until you come too close and this ship suddenly unveils turrets of 12.7 mm M2 Ma Deuce and 25 mm M242 Bushmaster guns.

I like your thinking.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 32):

Oh yeah, that looks like a pushover..

They had to be REALLY high to take pot shots at that.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:40 pm

I would really like to see the US put an aircraft carrier in on these pirate patrols in the region... For one if a distress is received from another ship, fixed wing aircraft as well as helicopters could arrive at the scene much sooner than a ship, plus I would love to see the 3 or 4 pirates in the skiff that tries and take on a Nimitz class Super Carrier...  

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:33 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 34):
I would really like to see the US put an aircraft carrier in on these pirate patrols in the region

Too bad our battleships have been decommissioned. I would love to see a pirate skiff go up against one of those.
 
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Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:45 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 35):
Too bad our battleships have been decommissioned. I would love to see a pirate skiff go up against one of those.

I was just thinking the same thing. Time to get the Iowa, Missouri and Wisconsin out of mothballs and start patrolling.
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Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:32 am

Quoting blrsea (Reply 14):
According to the report, the pirates opened fire shortly after midnight. I don't know much about ships, but are they totally lit up well in the night? Maybe the pirates couldn't make out that the ship was a warship when they opened fire ?

When we were out to sea, we had darken ship after sunset-- no lights except for the running lights(port and starboard lights, mast light and a stern light.) And if we wanted to go covert, we would shut them off also, but we didnt do that very often.

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 22):
Also, if the warship returned fire, wouldn't they use weaponry that would completely blow the pirates out of the water? There are no reports of anybody being injured and the pirate vessel was only "disabled" before being boarded.

the USN uses the force nessary to stop the threat. nothing more, nothing less.

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:52 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 36):
I was just thinking the same thing. Time to get the Iowa, Missouri and Wisconsin out of mothballs and start patrolling.

Overkill. Battleships were built to kill other battleships. What's needed is for us to rebuild the old St. Louis class:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/USS_St._Louis_%28CL-49%29.jpg

One fifth of the tonnage of an Iowa class, fast, sufficiently armored to mostly shrug off hits by RPGs, mortars and Cole-style suicide attacks, and armed with 15 rapid-fire 6-inch guns and a lot of smaller stuff.
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Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:47 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
armed with 15 rapid-fire 6-inch guns and a lot of smaller stuff.

Smaller stuff? Like a few SEALs armed with M14 sniper rifles? Works for me.

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Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:18 pm

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 39):

Smaller stuff? Like a few SEALs armed with M14 sniper rifles? Works for me.

Too dangerous. I would recommend that such a cruiser come into the Somali harbors where the pirates are based, and put a 6-inch shell into the hull of every-single boat in the harbor, and announce over loudspeakers in Arabic that the ship will return once a month and do the same thing until the piracy stops.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:54 pm

I like the ideas of BBs and CLs, but we do have the Tico class CGs, they have a fore and aft 5"/54 gun mount. We could also use a few SSNs to track down the mother ships, and surface next to them, then send a SEAL borading party over. The SSNs could also just cruise around outside the harbors and surface everytime a boat leaves the harbor.

To bad we don't have any more PT Boats or Swift Boats anymre.
 
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Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:55 pm

I appreciate the appeal of using big guns to swat a fly, but perhaps this problem would be more easily-solved with long-endurance UAVs for monitoring, and something like an Eagle Eye with a small (.50cal) gun and possibly a short-range ASM.
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Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:05 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 42):
I appreciate the appeal of using big guns to swat a fly, but perhaps this problem would be more easily-solved with long-endurance UAVs for monitoring, and something like an Eagle Eye with a small (.50cal) gun and possibly a short-range ASM.

That's too defensive - the problem will continue for years.

I'm not saying that mine is the only idea that would work, but at it does two things that yours does not: 1) it puts a lot of boats that the pirates might use out of commission, at least temporarily if not permanently, and 2) It causes the local civilian population economic hardship, and they will know that it will stop when the pirates either cease their activities or at least go away. The locals right now are big fans of the pirates because they bring in money and jobs supplying them. That has to stop.
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:23 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 41):
Tico class CGs, they have a fore and aft 5"/54 gun mount.

I still say that we need to put a 5"/54 gun where the Mk-13 missle launcher was on the Perry class FFG's. Make a nice little littoral combat ship. Then you will have M-14's, M2 .50's, 25mm Bushmasters, 40mm grenade launchers, 76mm, and a 5". And CIWS to boot(IIRC there is a mod to the CIWS mount to make it hand aimable from the 03 level--nice!!). Just dreaming.

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Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:28 pm

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 34):

 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:40 pm

High time this pirate menance ends.....Get the Indian Navy out there.......

Time the World navies coooperate & stop this piracy.

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:37 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 38):
Overkill. Battleships were built to kill other battleships.

Not once they were refitted with Tomahawks and such. They've been used for offshore fire support for years, once they were brought out of mothballs the first time and refitted. Even psychologically, they could do the job, without firing a shot. Just place one or two outside the harbor and see who dares to venture out.

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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:09 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 36):
I was just thinking the same thing. Time to get the Iowa, Missouri and Wisconsin out of mothballs and start patrolling.

LOL!
 
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RE: Somali Pirates Open Fire On US Frigate, Captured

Mon Apr 12, 2010 12:11 am

Well, today it seem stupidity among the pirates is expanding. A pirate skiff with 6 abaord fired upon the USN LSD-48 USS Ashland this past Saturday. The Ashland returned fire and sank the skiff, and captured the pirates.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04...p-near-seychelles/?test=latestnews

"On Saturday, a U.S. warship captured six suspected pirates after a battle off the Horn of Africa — the Navy's third direct encounter with seafaring bandits in less than two weeks.

A statement by the U.S. Navy said the suspected pirates began shooting at the amphibious dock landing ship USS Ashland just before dawn about 380 miles (610 kilometers) off Djibouti, a small nation facing Yemen across the mouth of the Red Sea.

The Navy said the Ashland returned fire and the suspected pirate skiff was destroyed. All six people on board were rescued and taken aboard the Ashland, which suffered no injuries or damage."


It does not say if any pirates were wounded. I guess a couple of 25mm rounds from the Mk-38 convinced the pirates they were safer in the water than in their boat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ashland_(LSD-48)

"On April 10, 2010, suspected pirates on a skiff shot at the Ashland approximately 330 nautical miles off the coast of Djibouti. Ashland fired two rounds at the skiff from her MK-38 Mod 2, 25mm gun. The people on board the skiff abandoned ship as it became engulfed in flames. Rigid-hulled inflatable boats from the Ashland rescued the six individuals and brought them aboard the ship for medical treatment. The Ashland was not damaged and there were no injuries to the crew.[4]"


The Whidbey Island-class LSDs are armed with;
2 × 25 mm Mk 38 cannons
2 × 20 mm Phalanx CIWS mounts
2 × Rolling Airframe Missile
6 × .50 caliber M2HB machine guns

Maybe the Ashland should have just used her M-2 .50 caliber Browning HMGs to leave a lasting impression?

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