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Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:09 am

Darwin Award might be more appropriate than Navy Cross here...wow.   

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RE: Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:32 am

Geez, couldn't they have cruised that thing into the harbor at night?

Actually, with half the crew in the brig and the other half downloading Lady Gaga, perhaps not...
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:36 am

I just wonder what wearing shoes has to do with your ability to drive a submarine... do submarines have pedals like cars you can slip off if you're bare-foot?
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:11 am

About $85million for repairs? How much cost a new one?
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:24 am

No shoes = lack of discipline and respect to your duties.
About the cost of a new sub I have no clue, but our new Borei class sub cost well over a billion. Knowing how the US likes to overprice everything military related...you get the idea.
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:34 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 3):
How much cost a new one?

The Hartford was probably well over a billion when it was commissioned in 1994. The new Virginia Class boats come in at about $1.8 billion per.
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:43 pm

Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Do a little research before casting judgement
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:52 pm

Here's a link with some better pictures. The sail took a beating!!

http://www.queenfish.org/noframes/hartford_collision.htm
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:02 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 6):
Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Do a little research before casting judgement

That is true but it appears the story about the failings of the skipper and crew are true. Even those officers who recieved NJP are going to find their careers effectively at an end.

http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2009/11/navy_hartford_111509w/
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:10 pm

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 2):
I just wonder what wearing shoes has to do with your ability to drive a submarine... do submarines have pedals like cars you can slip off if you're bare-foot?
Quoting tu204 (Reply 4):
No shoes = lack of discipline and respect to your duties.

And more, on a submarine, you have to be prepared for an emergency anytime. Running around bare-footed when there is a fire for example isn't a good idea...
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:45 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 8):
Even those officers who recieved NJP are going to find their careers effectively at an end.

What about officers and men who were not considered derelict in their duties? Would they still have a stain on their records?

What could you do if you joined a ship like this and sensed it was an accident waiting to happen? Try to transfer off as soon as possible? Or just do your job as best you can and hope for the best?

It must be really galling for most of those who were aboard who had seen higher standards in previous ships.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:48 pm

Well, unless I'm mistaken, the navigator only plots the course.....the helmsman is the one steering it.
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:03 pm

I can't remember ever hearing of such gross negligence on the part of this sub's senior officers in the US Navy.

Unbelievable.

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Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:14 pm

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 10):
What about officers and men who were not considered derelict in their duties? Would they still have a stain on their records?

Officers and men who were not derilict in their duties could probably survive with their careers intact. Navies are funny things though. A promotion board might be trying to decide on who to advance and the deciding factor maybe they see that an officer served aboard the Hartford at the time of the collision. You never know.

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 10):
What could you do if you joined a ship like this and sensed it was an accident waiting to happen? Try to transfer off as soon as possible? Or just do your job as best you can and hope for the best?

It's kind of a Catch 22. I can't speak for officers but as an enlisted man you're really not in the position to ask for a transfer. When I reported to my first command it had some serious issues. However I was eighteen and it never occured to me to ask for a transfer. If I had it probably been a quick ticket working in the chow hall. So instead I just did my job to the best of my abilities. Fortanetly things got better.
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:24 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 14):
Officers and men who were not derilict in their duties could probably survive with their careers intact. Navies are funny things though. A promotion board might be trying to decide on who to advance and the deciding factor maybe they see that an officer served aboard the Hartford at the time of the collision. You never know.

Every year there are thousands upon thousands of very capable Lieutenants and Lieutenant Commanders waiting for a chance at command of a ship, or at least a senior officer slot like Exec - a necessary next step for advancement. Every available slot probably has a dozen or more candidates, and the Navy is going to choose the one with the most unblemished record. One hint of irresponsibility or negligence, even if not directly attributable to him, and they will pick someone else. There are dozens of stories about a junior officer, standing his first watch and running his destroyer up on a sandbar because of a mistake made by the navigator or helmsman, and his Navy career ending right there.
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Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:24 pm

As long as people didn't die, the military can learn from this. Generally speaking the Navy knows what they are doing. I am just glad nobody died. The rest of it can remedy itself.

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Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:41 pm

What about the price tag for the repairs. Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!  
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Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:16 pm

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16):
What about the price tag for the repairs.

The article said $100M but I think it'll be more.

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16):
Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!

Not directly.
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Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:19 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Actually the Navy Times report above says the navigation officer was off-duty and in the wardroom wearing an iPod while studying for an exam when the collision happened. It's a bit of sensationalism at work, IMHO.
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Sun Apr 11, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Darwin Award

No one died so that guy wouldn't qualify for this award.

More like a D'oh! Award sponsored by Homer Simpson.
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Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:08 pm

Generally, speaking the Captain's career is over. Anytime you run a ship a ground even if you weren't on the ship your career is. And essentially, the JOs responsible will get a page 7 (or whatever the Navy calls it) not a career killer but not a good thing.
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RE: Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:10 pm

What was he listening to on his iPod?
Yellow Submarine?
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Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:18 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Actually the Navy Times report above says the navigation officer was off-duty and in the wardroom wearing an iPod while studying for an exam when the collision happened. It's a bit of sensationalism at work, IMHO.

Nothing like listening to your ipod when you should be concentrating on studying for your exams
  
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RE: Driver Wrecks US Nuclear Sub Listening To IPod.

Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:00 pm

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 16):
Will the people involved in this pay anything, at all?!

Their careers, probably. I highly doubt he'll look at his LES and see DEBT REPAYMENT=1,000,000,000  
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