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Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:16 pm

Poor Charlie. Republicans used to like him. His friends were even REAL friends - back in the day. Or so he thought.

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THE VILLAGES, FLA. -- Republican Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, once regarded as a shoo-in to become Florida's next senator, waded into a milling crowd. If his campaign had been going according to plan, his audience here on this night would have been perfect: an elderly, largely conservative Republican throng that included 82-year-old Bob Gammon, who had voted for Crist before and now had a beer in his hand and something he wanted to say.

Crist smiled and put a campaign sticker on Gammon's Hawaiian shirt.

"That hug," Gammon said.

"Oh," Crist said, immediately understanding what Gammon meant. Shortly after Barack Obama's inauguration, the new president had come to Florida to pledge federal help for this economically reeling state -- and Crist had reacted by embracing Obama on stage. "I wish you hadn't hugged him," Gammon said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn.../AR2010041603389.html?hpid=topnews

(Lot's of other sites with basically the same story)

So maybe it's time for Charlie to become a Democrat. The Democrats can establish a slightly-right-of-center group for moderate Republicans who find it is no longer acceptable in their current party to be moderate, or even talk to those on the other side of the aisle.

There is plenty of room in the Democratic Party for these reasonable people. And doors are closing on them all over the country in the Republican Party. Especially now since the Republicans have the Tea Party folks pushing them round like Hot Wheels model cars.

Yep. I have a feeling that Charlie will be far happier as a Democrat.  
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:35 pm

Absolutely. Crist should come out of the closet in every way.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:54 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
So maybe it's time for Charlie to become a Democrat. The Democrats can establish a slightly-right-of-center group for moderate Republicans who find it is no longer acceptable in their current party to be moderate, or even talk to those on the other side of the aisle.

Or maybe he should give up politics and go work in the public sector...   . If I am tired of one thing, it is the career politician whose principles change as the polling numbers blow.

Anyway, the Democratic leadership in this country is as far left as its ever been. There are no indications of a track toward the center, much less an appeal to the center-right. It's why Democrats are watching their poll numbers plummet. Good luck finding moderate Republicans who will hitch their fate to that anchor. They would sooner run as independents, like Joe Lieberman who lost the Democratic primary in 2006 for being too moderate; or concede graciously, like Senator Hutchinson who recently lost the Republican primary for Texas governor to the more conservative incumbent.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:04 pm

As a Florida voter, I like Crist.

This state has definitely benefited from the stimulus money. We needed it. I work in banking here. I know how bad it was and still is and I can't imagine how bad it would have been without any help from the Feds.

The old, annoying Yankees in The Villages annoy me. Go back to Long Island, Scranton, Rochester... etc.

[Edited 2010-04-16 14:06:19]
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:25 am

You know, Crist actually has a very consistent political view. He wants government to be involved in all facets of peoples' lives, both fiscally and socially.

I disagree with his social views, but you have to credit his consistency.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:51 am

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
You know, Crist actually has a very consistent political view. He wants government to be involved in all facets of peoples' lives, both fiscally and socially.

Which is why Fla has rejected him.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:03 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):

Anyway, the Democratic leadership in this country is as far left as its ever been

    

Don't I wish. The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
the Democratic leadership in this country is as far left as its ever been.

How so? Because a few higher-ups are making speeches? How do a few people represent the majority of the Dems? I suppose the "tea party" movement represents the entire right? I suppose Limbaugh and Beck speak for every single right-winger?
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:43 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.

Actually Nixon had a Family Health Care plan, but was distracted by the screw-ups that broke into the Watergate.

And the odd thing is that he probably could have made it work. It took the "Conservative Nixon" to open the door to China & start dente with Russia. No way could a Democrat have done the same thing in those years. The "Conservative Nixon" was the guy to bring health care up to world standards.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:16 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
How so?

Well simply because Nancy Pelosi is basically calling the shots. Your not going to tell me she isn't far left are you?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
Because a few higher-ups are making speeches? How do a few people represent the majority of the Dems? I suppose the "tea party" movement represents the entire right? I suppose Limbaugh and Beck speak for every single right-winger?

Why do you bring people into this discussion that have nothing to with politics or lawmaking? You realize that Rush Limbaugh is not the leader of the GOP? Or Beck? If this was the case then Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz would be the leaders of the DNC. Don' involve these people into what is revelent here. They all are simply entertainers who have radical views and sell a lot of ad revenue. Well Rush and Beck do anyway. Pelosi has basic control of everything going on in congress and she is a far left, elitist who wants to turn us into another Euro welfare state. Rush Limbaugh doesn't have the power to do anything when it comes to our lives.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:45 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 3):
As a Florida voter, I like Crist.

As a Floridian, do you realize that the path Crist has put the state with respect to property insurance is certain to bankrupt it? He has pushed through legislation that PROHIBITED the state insurance company from purchasing reinsurance on the property coverage it wrote (because the premiums to pay for that would have made the insurance unaffordable for South Floridians).

Do you understand what that means? If Florida ever has an Andrew type storm again, the billions of dollars of insurance coverage it has written is largely worthless because there is no underlying pool of money or reinsurance agreement to pay claims. We're talking a financial collapse the size of AIG.

Furthermore, because Florida's Constitution requires a 2/3 vote of the population to create an income tax (never going to happen), this means that Florida would literally have to default on its obligations because it would have NO WAY of raising the funds. Crist gambled with the entire state's future.

For the record, I'm a conservative and think Rubio is a criminal that should be sitting in jail for what he did with the Turnpike concession contracts.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:25 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.

Obviously a typo. I know you can't be serious. Pelosi is somewhere to the left of Lenin as is Reid.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:33 pm

Maybe the underlying sense of needing to move over to the left a bit exists for other reasons?   
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):

Yep. I have a feeling that Charlie will be far happier as a Democrat.

Yep, it has worked so well for Senator Specter hasn't it?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...2010_pennsylvania_senate_race.html

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
And the odd thing is that he probably could have made it work. It took the "Conservative Nixon" to open the door to China & start dente with Russia.

I don't know where you get that Nixon was a "conservative". Perhaps it was with his wage and price controls?

http://www.econreview.com/events/wageprice1971b.htm

or perhaps his energy policy?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=4208&st=&st1=

It's actually pretty humorous reading. Scare stories of a dollar a gallon for gas!!! But the main point of the link is found a third to half way down.


That is why I shall urge the Congress, when it reconvenes on Monday, to act immediately on the windfall profits tax that I requested last month. This tax would require that windfall profits either be turned over to the Government or be invested in the development of new supplies, supplies that will be vitally needed in the years ahead."

That sounds familiar, and not coming from the GOP either.

Nixon was a very good foreign statesman. He was a moderate in fiscal matters at best. He was a lousy President due to his own insecurities.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:03 pm

Quoting DXing (Reply 13):
I don't know where you get that Nixon was a "conservative".

I'd consider him a conservative for his time. But that was before the ultra hard right conservatives. Starting with Newt, going to Rush and Beck and Palin. Weird times that keep getting worse. But compared to, say, McGovern, I think it's fair to consider Nixon a conservative.

By the way, McGovern was considered an exceptional bomber pilot in WW II, including a hairy emergency that kept his crew alive. I seem to recall that it was his experience in the European theater that firmed up his version to war.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:30 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
How so? Because a few higher-ups are making speeches?

Re-read my post. I was specifically referring to the party leadership. The "higher-ups," no? They establish the party platform, and they aren't doing anything to court moderate Republicans who find themselves on the outside of a more conservative party.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Don't I wish. The Democratic leadership is more right-wing than Richard Nixon.

They might be as dysfunctional, but their policy initiatives are decidedly left-wing.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:40 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 5):
Which is why Fla has rejected him.

What the hell are you talking about? Florida hasn't rejected him. He's the sitting governor, is he not? He won a general election, has he not?

My my NIK, your comments are amusing.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:21 pm

All I know is that I am glad that I saw him announce his plan to veto the Bill for teachers salary to be based on Students Test Scores LIVE at school here in MIA. Many teachers held a walk out and I had to be in the auditorium for 2 periods due to the tremendous lack of teachers. If the bill had passed striking would have become incredibly common.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
What the hell are you talking about? Florida hasn't rejected him. He's the sitting governor, is he not? He won a general election, has he not?

Yea I can tell how much Florida loves him

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...rida_republican_primary_for_senate

Get a grip buddy your world will come crashing down this November.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:33 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Yea I can tell how much Florida loves him

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...enate

So silly. You just cited a Republican primary poll to support an argument that Florida as a whole has "rejected" Crist.

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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:42 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Get a grip buddy your world will come crashing down this November.

I keep reading that type of comment.

Conservatives are expecting a landslide greater than '94. Take over the House and Senate. Repeal everything that has been passed during Obama's first 2 years.

Anything less will be a failure for Rush, Beck, Palin, Tea Party Folks, etc.

How big a majority are you expecting in the House, Nik? 20? 30? 40?
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:35 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
So silly. You just cited a Republican primary poll to support an argument that Florida as a whole has "rejected" Crist.

Spin it as you want but his career is over. By rule he can only run for one thing at a time so once he gets trounced in Senate primary he can't run for re-election as governor. So he is in the same boat as Harry Reid. DONE. Not to mention the DNC is behind double digits in the Governor's race as well.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Anything less will be a failure for Rush, Beck, Palin, Tea Party Folks, etc.

Again your trying to make people that are in no way involved in politics revelant. If this is the case your going to tell me Maddow and Schultz are involved in the DNC? Please stop the propaganda and see what is actually happening. The DNC is screwing up royally and has let the country down. That is why they are losing. It has nothing to do with Rush or Beck, they are simply people passionate about their views that are on television and radio. They have no affiliation whatsoever with the GOP.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:47 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
So silly. You just cited a Republican primary poll to support an argument that Florida as a whole has "rejected" Crist.

Spin it as you want

It's not spin. It's showing that once again, you are full of crap and put your foot in your mouth.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:36 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 22):
It's not spin. It's showing that once again, you are full of crap and put your foot in your mouth.

Let us review.

Ist term governor Charlie Crist abandons re-election to run for Senate and is now getting clobbered by a nobody who is more right and conservative than he is so he isn't even going to make it to the general as his career dies in the primary.

Race for Fla Governor, GOP candidate has a double digit lead over DNC candidate.

We are in a thread discussing if Crist should become a Democrat.


So your telling me Florida has not rejected him or the DNC? HAHAHAHAHA

Denial is an ugly thing isn't it. You lost the argument pal, why don't you quit before you dig your hole any deeper. See you in November. I got my popcorn, do you?
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:25 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
So your telling me Florida has not rejected him

Florida elected him, silly.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
or the DNC?

That's not what you said.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:36 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
Florida elected him, silly.

Yes in Nov 06'. Ancient history. Now he asked for thier votes for Senate and he is getting destroyed by a more conservative unknown and can't run for Gov but somehow your trying to make this forum believe otherwise in a thread where it's being asked if he should actually act like what he is?

Your dilusion is staggering.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:36 pm

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 17):
All I know is that I am glad that I saw him announce his plan to veto the Bill for teachers salary to be based on Students Test Scores LIVE at school here in MIA

A bad move on his part. Voted against the Kids in favor of the Unions money and votes.

Quoting D L X (Reply 24):
Florida elected him, silly

When they thought he was a conservative.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:55 pm

It doesn't matter what Crist calls himself or what the letter behind his name is, Rubio is going to stomp him.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:18 pm

From today's Miami Herald

Quote:

The state-run company, Citizens Property Insurance Corporation, now holds $405 billion in risk and one in four Florida homeowner policies, and is moving toward financial security after lawmakers mandated rate increases last year. But it still can't withstand more than a 25-year storm.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/04/1...operty-insurance-revamp-could.html

A 25-year storm describes a hurricane with an intensity that is statistically likely to strike only once every twenty five years.

Citzen's total assets equal $8.7B and yet it is insuring $405B in risk. Hurricane Andrew produced losses which in 2009 dollars were around $43B. Even if you apply the 1:4 ratio to another Andrew type loss (in actuality Citizens hold a larger % of risk in South Florida than throughout the rest of the state), you'd have a $10.75B loss and only $8.7B of assets. Anyone think this is going to end well? Thank you Gov. Crist.
 
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:39 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 26):
When they thought he was a conservative.

Thank you, someone can actually make a comment based on what is currently happening and not out of partisan propaganda.
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RE: Should Governor Crist Become A Democrat?

Mon Apr 19, 2010 4:05 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 21):
They have no affiliation whatsoever with the GOP.

Maybe not, but Old Rush sure whipped Old Steel's ass into shape a while back. Remember that one? Figured out where the power is?

Quoting GatorFan (Reply 28):
Anyone think this is going to end well?

Sure it will, The people will vote in hard right conservative zealots who will fix everything up in the first year, As soon as they get control of the state the conservatives will get to work, cutting taxes drastically while reducing unemployment to 3% within 6 months - gotta show Obama how it's done! By the end of the first year school test results will have significantly increased, while spending half the money on schools.

As for funding, one key issue will be a move to privatize areas that cost money, allowing them to generate revenues. The simplest and most obvious target to privatize is the legislature. Cuts out unnecessary costs and allows money paid to lobbyists to be paid directly to the state treasury.

Wow, things are sure looking up for Florida as soon as they get past the elections this year.

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