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Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:28 pm

What is turning out to be a pretty slimy year for Tea Partiers is now getting worse:

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The bar was recalibrated downward again last week at a Tea Party Patriots rally in Greenville, S.C., by William Gheen, head of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC).

"Barney Frank has been more honest and brave than you (referring to South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham). At least we know about Barney Frank, nobody's going to hold it over his head. Look, I'm a tolerant person. I don't care about your private life, Lindsey, but as our U.S. senator, I need to figure out why you're trying to sell out your own countrymen, I need to make sure you being gay isn't it."

Multiple links on news.google.com but the one that surprised me was

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/morris...let-a-d-bag-teabag-s_b_547713.html

Even the Huffington Post is pissed at the slime being thrown. To the point of having Morris Davis,Attorney and Former Chief Prosecutor for Guantanamo Military Commissions, write the column.

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Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:57 pm

Lindsey Graham is gay?   
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:31 am

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 1):
Lindsey Graham is gay?

So what if he is? Who cares? I always thought he is. I know the tea party people are hetero and believe everyone in power and in their movement is/should be hetero. What difference would it make if people knew? How exactly would that effect national security? In the article, the author said Graham served in the Air Force for 28 years. Good for him. Was this country less safe during that time because of his sexual orientation? Get over it.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:32 am

Quoting Ken777 (Thread starter):
What is turning out to be a pretty slimy year for Tea Partiers is now getting worse:

It doesn't surprise me in the least. Who exactly do people think these TeaBaggers want "their country back from"? Old, white, angry, suburbanites are miffed "their America" of 1950 is gone. How awful it must be that they must treat us homos as equals, much less women, and people of color. Egad!
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:48 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
So what if he is?

His voting record is anti-gay.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:02 am

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 3):
It doesn't surprise me in the least. Who exactly do people think these TeaBaggers want "their country back from"? Old, white, angry, suburbanites are miffed "their America" of 1950 is gone. How awful it must be that they must treat us homos as equals, much less women, and people of color. Egad!

Dear poor misguided souls...for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

You should all give yourselves a pat on the back for knowing how to use Google. There is a TON of stuff out there on them internets...   
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:09 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
His voting record is anti-gay.

So was Larry Craig's. Just saying...
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:20 am

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
So was Larry Craig's.

He wasn't gay. He just had a wide stance.
He said so on TV.  
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:37 am

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
Dear poor misguided souls...for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

Not sure what the deal is here, but you can't talk about these things like they're all dependent variables. There are just as many of us independent-minded voters who, like you, can't stand black leaders' posturing, endless entitlement spending, and gross debt inflation and bailout mania. All that said, we also can't stand the continued insistence on an American reality where the denial of individual freedoms, including who we have adult consensual relationships with, is legally enforced on the basis of purported "traditional values". One of the only legitimate roles of the government is ensuring the rights and freedoms of individuals. Those of us who support the gay cause from this perspective have no "agenda" other than defeating all of these tired notions that support the idea that it's OK to keep millions of our fellow citizens somehow apart from the rest of us.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:48 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8):
All that said, we also can't stand the continued insistence on an American reality where the denial of individual freedoms, including who we have adult consensual relationships with, is legally enforced on the basis of purported "traditional values".

For the first time in a while someone makes a decent and mature argument on this forum...congrats.

I just get irked when the government feels they have power over social issues too...which makes gay rights way at the bottom of my personal agenda of what the government needs to un-mess up. This issue does not affect me or anyone that I know...so I can certainly understand why I place less importance on this issue than seemingly most others on this forum.

It just upsets me that liberals can use their support of gay rights to justify hopping on the platform of imploding the US government and economy.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:56 pm

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
You should all give yourselves a pat on the back for knowing how to use Google.

I'm sure you were not having a dig at me for mentioning news.google.com  

I've mentioned it before when providing links because a news story, like, say, the new AZ law, will have hundreds of links. That gives you, the dear reader, access to different views on the same story.

In the same vein, I've mentioned thepaperboy.com in the past, which provides links to newspapers around the world. That means if there is a major story in, say, Hong Kong you can get a list of the newspapers in Hong Kong in order to get information at the local level.

But, from your comments I'm sure you were well aware of those facts, and so much more. My comments should, therefore, be left for average, normal people.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:03 pm

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 9):
It just upsets me that liberals can use their support of gay rights to justify hopping on the platform of imploding the US government and economy.

How, prey tell, did that happen?

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

You are talking about apples, the thread is about bananas (pun intended). What does one have to do with the other?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Quoting seb146 (Reply 2):
So what if he is?

His voting record is anti-gay.

But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina. And, he is probably still in that mind-set where it is still very very bad to be out. Still, there are a lot of people who don't care what he does with consenting adults behind closed doors. I would even dare to say he would win re-election in his own state if he came out.

No, probably not. The tea partiers would run a smear campaign against him based soley on this one issue until he is defeated by one of their own. They would not even bring up any of his past voting for his constituants.

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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:19 pm

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 9):
I just get irked when the government feels they have power over social issues too...which makes gay rights way at the bottom of my personal agenda of what the government needs to un-mess up

One way of looking at it is that like other civil rights battles of the past, gay rights have already been messed up for a long time. Many states still have laws on the books dictating what kind of sex consensual adults can have. That to me, is just absolutely no-no in a land of individual choice and liberty.

The only thing messed up is laws that already exist and/or new ones that serve a singular purpose of separating people or taking their rights away.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:13 pm

The reference to him being gay was used in two ways, to be deragatory, but to also say that he was hiding it and the democratic party was using it as leverage (as in, we'll out you if you don't support ______). Just to clarify.

But I found the remarks by Gheen offensive as well, and completely uncalled for.

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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:52 pm

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 5):
Dear poor misguided souls...for every deep little redneck article that you find to justify your agenda and twisted thoughts on reality...I can find two articles about some leech abusing their endless government entitlement handouts, some racist black "leader," or the inevitable downfall of the US economy (or US government) as we know it due to complete fiscal incompetence.

None of which excuses this behavior. You work to fix the above problems, not make them worse.

I am just as frustrated at the above as any Tea Partier, but I would think that my response to it is far more productive. Having a big, grass-roots tantrum doesn't accomplish anything.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:35 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
None of which excuses this behavior. You work to fix the above problems, not make them worse.

I am just as frustrated at the above as any Tea Partier, but I would think that my response to it is far more productive. Having a big, grass-roots tantrum doesn't accomplish anything.

I do not disagree with you.

I just dont like the underlying premise and ideals of the Tea Party movement being distorted by something that should be unrelated (but, obviously, on some levels and in some minds, is not).
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:38 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina. And, he is probably still in that mind-set where it is still very very bad to be out. Still, there are a lot of people who don't care what he does with consenting adults behind closed doors. I would even dare to say he would win re-election in his own state if he came out.

No, probably not. The tea partiers would run a smear campaign against him based soley on this one issue until he is defeated by one of their own. They would not even bring up any of his past voting for his constituants.

Well aware of that. That is why it's a big issue. It's so ironic isn't it?
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:23 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):
But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina. And, he is probably still in that mind-set where it is still very very bad to be out. Still, there are a lot of people who don't care what he does with consenting adults behind closed doors. I would even dare to say he would win re-election in his own state if he came out.

There is the assumption that he is gay? Simply because someone who obviously is against him says he's gay?

Wow!

The scary thing for me is how nasty political attacks have become over my lifetime.

I could care less if he is, or isn't. He's one of the Senators in DC that I respect a lot - for his (normally) reasoned judgement and intelligent comments.

Personally I hope that reasoned judgement prevails.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:14 pm

And to the topic at hand - is it coincidence that today Lindsay Graham announced that he is ceasing all cooperation with the current administration? It seems the TP folks (that's not banned, right?) have discovered the power of intimidation.

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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:35 am

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 9):
It just upsets me that liberals can use their support of gay rights to justify hopping on the platform of imploding the US government and economy.

How are they doing that? The only people I hear tying gay rights to immigration is the tea party with the statement cited in the OP. Yes, liberals are likely to support both gay rights and immigration reform, but that in no way means that the two are connected.

Quoting pgh234 (Reply 15):
I just dont like the underlying premise and ideals of the Tea Party movement being distorted by something that should be unrelated (but, obviously, on some levels and in some minds, is not).

Again, it's the tea party that's doing the distortion here, by claiming that being gay would cause someone to favor immigration reform.

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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:24 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 17):
The scary thing for me is how nasty political attacks have become over my lifetime.

Hm. John Adams called Thomas Jefferson a hermaphrodite...something about lacking both the firmness of a man and the sensitivity of a woman. And that was hopefully way before your time.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:56 am

Tears are flowing on this end.

Wow, the Huffington Post, lets not get too objective here. Notice how 4/5ths of the people posting on this thread are reliable liberals. Keep up the whining guys, it'll be laugher in November.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 11):

But, he is representing the state of South Carolina. Not a gay friendly state. It is sad that he puts party before country, but he was sent by the citizens of South Carolina.

North Dakota, a very conservative state, sends three Democrats to Washington, and passed a defense of marriage act. The Democrats are going to lose their house seat, and most likely, both Senate seats in North Dakota (most likely on a permanent basis). Why? They put party before the citizens of their state. Their citizens didn't want Obamacare, higher taxes, and all that the Obama/Pelosi/Reid agenda entailed, and yet Pomeroy, Conrad, and Dorgan marched in lockstep with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. The citizens of North Dakota were willing to keep electing them because they brought home the ag pork, but they even said enough is enough.

And South Carolina Republicans are now saying enough is enough from Lindsey Graham. His support for cap-and-trade and amnesty is at odds with the vast majority of the GOP nationally and within the state. The Lindsey Graham-Charlie Crist wing of the GOP brought us John McCain, Barack Obama's victory, and now enough is enough. Pelosi and Obama couldn't be bothered to reach across the aisle, hell, they had to bribe members of their own party to pass Obamacare.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:12 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
And South Carolina Republicans are now saying enough is enough from Lindsey Graham.

And more power to them if that's what they really want. But they look pretty stupid if they start bringing his supposed homosexuality into it. Can't you just not like someone's policies and leave it at that? Or do we have to have these sort of ridiculous personal attacks?

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Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:23 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
But they look pretty stupid if they start bringing his supposed homosexuality into it. Can't you just not like someone's policies and leave it at that? Or do we have to have these sort of ridiculous personal attacks?

Agree 100%. Especially because I think he's married.

However, let's not pretend that groups on the left haven't engaged in personal attacks. Also, I've gone to several Tea Party protests in DC, and think I can count on one hand the times I've heard a curse or personal attack from anyone.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:51 am

People need to hear from the other side of the story. You know people are misinformed when the TEA Party is attacked when it was just an ALIPAC viewpoint at a TP gathering. So go after Gheen and the ALIPAC if you don't agree.

I've watched the video, and I agree with the route taken. History has seen politicians manipulated in exchange for keeping secrets a secret. The ALIPAC is trying to prevent that.

http://www.alipac.us/article-5161-thread-1-0.html
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:30 am

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
They put party before the citizens of their state.

Right because the Republican Party has never, ever done such a thing.  
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
Keep up the whining guys, it'll be laugher in November.

More constructive input from the right.

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
His support for cap-and-trade and amnesty is at odds with the vast majority of the GOP nationally and within the state. The Lindsey Graham-Charlie Crist wing of the GOP brought us John McCain, Barack Obama's victory, and now enough is enough.

Translation: You're either with us or against us. You either march in lockstep with the GOP, or you're shown the door. There are those in the GOP who no longer value differing opinions or any break from the party line. Truly unfortunate.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:40 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 24):
You know people are misinformed when the TEA Party is attacked when it was just an ALIPAC viewpoint at a TP gathering. So go after Gheen and the ALIPAC if you don't agree.

If someone gets up on the stage at the RNC or DNC and makes some crazy comments, one assumes that they are representing the views of that party unless the party leadership makes some sort of statement to the contrary (or at least that the party does not disagree with their views, though they may not be part of official policy). I don't see why it should be any different for the tea party.

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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:25 pm

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 21):
Wow, the Huffington Post, lets not get too objective here.

The Huff was noted because of my surprise of their very strong stance for a Conservative Senator in the article.

I also mentioned news.google.com as a source for additional links. And in Reply 10 increased in the information even more.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
I've mentioned it before when providing links because a news story, like, say, the new AZ law, will have hundreds of links. That gives you, the dear reader, access to different views on the same story.

In the same vein, I've mentioned thepaperboy.com in the past, which provides links to newspapers around the world. That means if there is a major story in, say, Hong Kong you can get a list of the newspapers in Hong Kong in order to get information at the local level.

For a quick review of what I was talking about, there are 1,616 news articles on the tornado in Mississippi that killed 10. The AZ Immigration Law has 3,437 and Finance Reform has 3,241 stores.

Hopefully that helps ou understand the Huff link this time and different links other times.  
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:42 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 28):
If someone gets up on the stage at the RNC or DNC and makes some crazy comments, one assumes that they are representing the views of that party

Here is what I have noticed: A person will get on stage at an RNC event and make crazy comments. So-called "left-wing" commentators will say "Listen to what Mr/Mrs Smith said at this RNC event..." roll crazy comments. Said commentators will say "Yes, s/he said it and there are those on the right that support that statement." Supporters of the GOP will then go out and support Mr/Mrs Smith saying they have free speech rights and some will even go so far as to say "Yes, this is what we believe as well!" Focus is usually given to these people.

A person will get on stage at a DNC event and make crazy comments. So-called "right-wing" commentators will say "Listen to what Mr/Mrs Jones said at this DNC event..." roll crazy comments. Said commentators will then say "And this is what the entire left believes! This is what the socialsts on the left believe! This is why our country is in such sad shape and we need to stop it!" Then, protest groups go out in force rallying against Mr/Mrs Jones and all supporters of the Democratic party.

Yes, there are those commentators on the right (precious few) that make the distinction between a left winger and their party stance and there are a few commentators on the left that do not make the distinction between one right-winger's opinion and the party line. But, as I listen to FOX, Rush, MSNBC and Green 960, this is what I hear a vast majority of the time.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:52 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
The Huff was noted because of my surprise of their very strong stance for a Conservative Senator in the article.

Lindsey Graham isn't much of a conservative. And HuffPo isn't much of a source.

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
And more power to them if that's what they really want. But they look pretty stupid if they start bringing his supposed homosexuality into it.

You think this guy speaks for all Tea Partiers or South Carolina Republicans?

And you call us narrow-minded...  
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:22 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 29):
Conservative Senator in the article

If he was being Conservative the Tea Party would leave him alone. But his Cap and Scam and Shamnesty stance put him out of the mainstream with conservatives.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 27):
You're either with us or against us. You either march in lockstep with the GOP

Wrong. Act like a conservative and support the Constitution and you will fit in fine. If not you are not wanted. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:37 pm

Yep ... and they (We) will continue to go after him. You can not be conservative and vote for cap and trade. You can not be in the republican party and vote for cap and trade. Join the democrats ... its ok I would have more respect for him anyway.

Cap and trade is simply central control by beuracrats of our energy sector. Worse still ... Al Gorlioni and GE will make huge profits from it with the help of beurocrats . No republican can vote for this .... sorry . If you like the bill ... do the Specter thing and switch parties ...thats all .

Nice thing about the Obama administration is ..is that they are far left and do not try to hide it. I respect them for that ... they stand on thier principles . They are not evil ...just wrong and thats not a crime. Therefore ..its easy to oppose them ...
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 7:34 pm

From the article:

Quote:
What brought the wrath of the radical right down on Senator Graham is that on occasion he breaks ranks with right wing orthodoxy and, heaven forbid, works with colleagues on both sides of the aisle on legislation. Isn't that what our elected representatives in the legislative branch are supposed to do?

And from Hip-Pocket Politics: How To Become a Tack by Gary North:

Quote:
Mainstream Republican politicians now face a major problem: the rise of the Tea Party movement. These furious voters are in no one's hip pocket. They are in a position to de-rail any Republican candidate who does not promise to roll back taxes and spending. They can run an independent candidate after the nomination of a squishy Republican. They can spoil his election night party.

The Tea Party movement is now the largest swing vote bloc in the Republican Party. It is going to get larger.

and

Quote:
The anti-tax Republican Right is growing like a brush fire in August. The Tea Party movement did not exist in late 2008. It is a major factor today. It constitutes the swing vote that Republican candidates need to win in November. It came out of nowhere. It is the loose cannon bouncing around on the political deck. Any Republican challenger who ignores it will lose.

The Republican candidates can see this now. The ones who cash in on it will be favored to get the nomination. Incumbents will be able to point to their opposition to Obama's health care. But if voters ask them if they will vote to repeal, they had better say yes.

When voters vote in terms of anger, they are dangerous to incumbents. They are also a threat to challengers who want to paper over this anger. Republicans who run on the basis of bipartisanship and "coming together" in November will not win.

The Tea Party people are spoilers. They are a real threat to the go-along-to-get-along Republicans who dominate the national party. They are in a position to upset the existing system by running an independent candidate or multiple candidates after the nomination goes to a mush-mouth.

They have the power of the veto in November. He who has this power and who uses it can get his way. If Tea Party voters demonstrate for two consecutive elections that they can keep a Republican moderate from being elected, Republican moderates will get religion or be replaced by those who are not willing to compromise.

Smearing Lindsey Graham as being gay if he's not is a sleazy low blow (but of course, politics is synonymous with sleaze anyway), but his pro-big government, pro-tax & spend voting record makes him a target for Tea Partiers.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:53 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 32):
And from Hip-Pocket Politics: How To Become a Tack by Gary North:


The anti-tax Republican Right is growing like a brush fire in August. The Tea Party movement did not exist in late 2008. It is a major factor today. It constitutes the swing vote that Republican candidates need to win in November. It came out of nowhere. It is the loose cannon bouncing around on the political deck. Any Republican challenger who ignores it will lose.

The Republican candidates can see this now. The ones who cash in on it will be favored to get the nomination. Incumbents will be able to point

I don't think there is any question that the Tea Party will bring in (down?) a lot of politicians this November. Palin is going to be going full swing to support them, even over "Traditional Republicans". Racking up a lot of favors for 2012, just like Nixon did after he lost to JFK.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Tea Party will gain significant power in 2010, maybe even a majority in 2012.

There is also no doubt in my mind that they can perform when in office. They can't cut taxes, spending and the debt without a huge economic crisis. The only question is the ability of the country to get rid of them after they fail. It took 8 years to get rid of them with Bush/Cheney.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:08 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 31):
You can not be conservative and vote for cap and trade.

LMFAO! "Cap and Trade" is a Republican idea to start with! Your sentiments show just how radically insane the right has become in Congress when they run away from the very ideas they themselves came up with!
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:01 pm

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 29):
You think this guy speaks for all Tea Partiers or South Carolina Republicans?

As far as SC republicans go, I would be surprised if he did. As far as the tea party...well, it was one of their events, so in the absence of any official statement to the contrary, I don't think it's out of line to believe that the majority of members approve of the statements, at least tacitly. Obviously, there are always going to be those who disagree in any party, so nobody ever speaks for everybody in a group.

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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 32):
Smearing Lindsey Graham as being gay if he's not is a sleazy low blow (but of course, politics is synonymous with sleaze anyway), but his pro-big government, pro-tax & spend voting record makes him a target for Tea Partiers.

Which specific votes on legislation Sen. Lindsey Graham cast were/are you opposed to?
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:03 am

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 34):
LMFAO! "Cap and Trade" is a Republican idea to start with! Your sentiments show just how radically insane the right has become in Congress when they run away from the very ideas they themselves came up with!

Your right ... its the old RINOS who are as responsible as the liberals for our debt..... Cap and Trade is not a idea of the right.. It is a liberal idea borne of liberals who happen to be little "R's. And you make a good point ... we better sweep them out too ...thus Mr. Graham's and McCains's troubles.
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:10 am

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 36):

Which specific votes on legislation Sen. Lindsey Graham cast were/are you opposed to?

For me:
Voting yes on every pro-war piece of legislation he comes across and no on any legislation seeking an end to overseas wars. Plus he despises Ron Paul and libertarians.

He has voted appropriately on many issues, but overall--blech.
 
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RE: Tea Partiers Now Going After Lindsey Graham

Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:59 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 37):
Your right ... its the old RINOS who are as responsible as the liberals for our debt..... Cap and Trade is not a idea of the right.. It is a liberal idea borne of liberals who happen to be little "R's. And you make a good point ... we better sweep them out too ...thus Mr. Graham's and McCains's troubles.

Senior Reagan and Bush 1 administration officials were authors of the "cap and trade" idea / solution. It provides free market answers to environmental issues. I personally think the idea is ridiculous and the government should just tax the snot out of fuels we spend massive amounts of $$$ to protect and procure (aka.... oil / gasoline) by parking the US Navy 24/7/365 in the Persian Gulf.

For the full history on the origins of "cap & trade" you can read it at the Smithsonian.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/50728202.html

As far as "sweeping them out" I fully endorse and encourage such behavior on the part of Tea People and endorsing their own candidates if the Republican party nominee isn't to their liking.

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