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Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:52 am

From the Israeli's

"I am saying one thing. There will be no freeze in Jerusalem," Netanyahu said. "There should be no preconditions to talks."

And form the Americans...

"We understand that the Israelis have a long-standing position," he added. "But ... the status quo is not sustainable.

Lets see how it all unfolds this time round ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ticle.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10640576

[Edited 2010-04-24 00:10:42]
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:15 am

I doubt much will come of this. The US doesn't seem to be inclined to put any kind of pressure on Israel's discriminatory policies.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:19 am

I ask you, is this resemble somebody looking for peace in the area? This kind of talk is conter productive.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:37 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 2):
I ask you, is this resemble somebody looking for peace in the area? This kind of talk is conter productive.

From which point of view are you talking, US or IS ?

From Israel's point of view it's more of the status quo, which is to be expected, until severe action is taken by either the US or the UN, but I wouldn't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon.

They seem determined to press ahead despite with the rest of the world thinks.  
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:57 am

Time for some targeted sanctions that affect the leadership of Israel and their close associates. And time for an arms embargo (imports and exports) on Israel.

The settlements are little more than an outrageous provocation. As SOBHI51 suggests, it is counter productive.
 
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:44 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):

From Israel's point of view it's more of the status quo, which is to be expected, until severe action is taken by either the US or the UN, but I wouldn't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon.

Well more to the point, from Netanyahu's point of view, this is Likud's last stand. The ruling coalitions in Israel are always on shaky ground - and this time it's the pressure from the right that is dictating terms. Anything other than this position would all but guarantee that settlement sympathizers and their ilk run roughshod over moderate Israelis for the forseeable future - notice how silent the press has been on comments from Ehud Barak last week in which he stated plainly that "current Israeli policies are not sustainable long-term".

Quoting TheCol (Reply 1):
I doubt much will come of this. The US doesn't seem to be inclined to put any kind of pressure on Israel's discriminatory policies.

Agreed - further talk and no action from Washington amounts to a steaming pile of Bravo Sierra.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:38 pm

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
notice how silent the press has been on comments from Ehud Barak last week in which he stated plainly that "current Israeli policies are not sustainable long-term".

Yes I did notice that. I have seen some comments in the press regarding what has said, but VERY little main stream reporting.

Very interesting article on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...li-defense-minister-_n_542717.html

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
Quoting TheCol (Reply 1):
I doubt much will come of this. The US doesn't seem to be inclined to put any kind of pressure on Israel's discriminatory policies.

Agreed - further talk and no action from Washington amounts to a steaming pile of Bravo Sierra.

The US/UN is going to find this a real problem and lose face if its not going to be taken seriously on this matter. But Israel also needs to listen to. It may be one of those catch 22 scenarios until something gives.
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:13 am

This is a very bad business. The Palestinians will retaliate violently, of course. And that will only galvalize the Israelis that they are on the side of right, that their neighbors are violent primitive thugs, and that their programs of basically anything short of true genocide are justified.

I've lost any respect for the Israeli government and for all Jews who support this sort of behavior. To behave towards the Palestinians like so many in history have behaved towards the Jews is shameful. Despicable and shameful.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:43 am

Historically that land belonged to Jews, so I don't c why they wouldn't build settlements.
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:01 am

Quoting kevin (Reply 17):
Historically that land belonged to Jews, so I don't c why they wouldn't build settlements.

If you go back far enough, that land belonged to everybody historically. So that argument doesn't really work.

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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:20 am

Quoting kevin (Reply 17):
Historically that land belonged to Jews, so I don't c why they wouldn't build settlements.

The problem with that argument is that both sides feel that way about the land. The issue in reality is not that one of them may cease existing but rather that none are truly happy with the two state solution.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:05 am

Quoting kevin (Reply 9):
Historically that land belonged to Jews, so I don't c why they wouldn't build settlements.

Yes, a few thousand years ago. I don't see us willingly giving back our respective countries to their historical owners, unless I'm mistaken.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:35 am

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 3):
US or the UN, but I wouldn't hold your breath on that happening anytime soon.

Exactly. Israel has defied more UN Security Council resolutions than any other nation, and the US is Israel's most willing enabler.

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
Agreed - further talk and no action from Washington amounts to a steaming pile of Bravo Sierra

  

Quoting kevin (Reply 9):
Historically that land belonged to Jews, so I don't c why they wouldn't build settlements.

Historically, the states up and down the Eastern seabord were British colonies. If tomorrow, the British decided to start building settlements up and down the US East Coast, would we all tell them that it is their right to do so?
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:22 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
Historically, the states up and down the Eastern seabord were British colonies. If tomorrow, the British decided to start building settlements up and down the US East Coast, would we all tell them that it is their right to do so?

I am talking Old/New/ Testament times, not the colonial era.
 
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:05 am

Quoting kevin (Reply 14):
I am talking Old/New/ Testament times, not the colonial era.

Even more irrelevant. All that matter is who was living there prior to the Israeli state being claimed and the land subsequently being seized.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:07 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
Exactly. Israel has defied more UN Security Council resolutions than any other nation, and the US is Israel's most willing enabler.

Hmm doesnt the US go in and intervene in countries that repeatedly defy UN resolutions?    AND they have WMD's  
 
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:40 pm

Quoting kevin (Reply 9):
Historically that land belonged to Jews, so I don't c why they wouldn't build settlements.

And they say religion is not the source of the world's problems  

So if Native Americans decide to revolt and build settlements in the US (or in all America) we should let them because historically that land belonged to them. Remember Christopher Columbus's voyages? Spain, the UK, France, and Portugal building settlements in the New World? Who was here first?

Quoting oa260 (Reply 16):
Hmm doesnt the US go in and intervene in countries that repeatedly defy UN resolutions?

Giving Israel more reason to defy UNSC resolutons. My big brother won't hurt me.

If there's anyone who still claims that Mid-East peace cannot be achieved because of Arab unwillingness is just purely ignorant. Perhaps the best concession Arabs have made is the Saudi proposal of peace with all Arab League members in exchange for a return to 1967 borders (and other details). If Israel does not want peace then let them solo. The US has given Israel enough blank checks to let them keep the region a volatile one. No peace? Then no support from us.
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RE: Netanyahu,Jersualem Housing Project Goes Ahead

Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:14 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 13):
Historically, the states up and down the Eastern seabord were British colonies. If tomorrow, the British decided to start building settlements up and down the US East Coast, would we all tell them that it is their right to do so?

Thats hardly a valid arguement concerning the settlements. They were Colonies to the British, i.e obviously not their indigenous land. Both Jews and Palestinians lay genuine claim to these areas as their true historical homelands.

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