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Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:42 pm

It seem that an 10-year-old girl has survived a sting from a box jellyfish; which the herewith article says is the world's most venomous creature. Except, I thought that title was held by the blue-ringed octopus.

In any case, it puts me off wanting to ever visit Australia.   

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Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:51 pm



Yup...
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:48 pm

Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
In any case, it puts me off wanting to ever visit Australia.   

Don't be such a woos !  

i) Australia is roughly the same size as continental United States
ii) Most of the population live in 5 major cities on Coast
iii) 80% of the really toxic creatures are in the Top End and Tropical North
iv) This is the equivalent distance from most cities as Texas to Central Canada or Paris to North of Moscow
v) Do you lie awake at night in the US worrying about Rattlesnakes and Blackwidow spiders?
vi) If you swim in the southern half of Australia you will not come across the majority of these creatures.
vii) Therefore, you are more likely to be abducted by aliens and subjected to a live organ transplant that attacked by most of these creatures on a visit to Australia, unless, like some visitors, you insist on going to extremes and ignoring all warnings an signs in the Top End.

On the above score, I should avoid the US because of gun crime, but I don't.....
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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:28 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 2):
Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
In any case, it puts me off wanting to ever visit Australia.

Don't be such a wuss !

Don't be such a literalist.

In any case, I'm still wondering which creature is more venomous - the box jellyfish or the blue-ringed octopusopolis.
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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:44 pm

I always wondered why they had those large swimming pools by such beautiful beaches.

 
 
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:08 pm

Quoting Airstud (Reply 3):
In any case, I'm still wondering which creature is more venomous - the box jellyfish or the blue-ringed octopusopolis.

I've seen several sources say that the Box Jellyfish is the world's most venomous animal, followed by, in no particular order: Taipan (most venomous snake), Blue Ringed Octopus and Stonefish.
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:18 pm

Meh..you get used to these things here. Just yesterday I had to whack a huge spider that was crawling over my bed...one quick whack with a rolled newspaper was all it took.
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Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:12 pm

Yah know when it comes to worlds most deadly creatures does it really matter if it is number one on the list or number 10?


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Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:52 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 5):
I've seen several sources say that the Box Jellyfish is the world's most venomous animal, followed by, in no particular order: Taipan (most venomous snake), Blue Ringed Octopus and Stonefish.

I saw my first stonefish in the wild a few weeks ago - looking around rock pools in a well populated seaside area we saw some small fish, and suddenly there was a splash and nothing to be seen. Looking carefully there was a very well camouflaged Stonefish sitting there.

As for the spider picture above - it's a Huntsman, and they're very common. Their bite is annoying but not dangerous (and I haven't heard of anyone being bitten) - more people are injured as a result of car accidents caused by panic when one walks across their windscreen.

And Australia isn't so scary - we don't have bears living in our forests!
 
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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:00 pm

This might help you determine which is what !!

http://www.barrierreefaustralia.com/...barrier-reef/blueringedoctopus.htm


Box jelly fish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_jellyfish



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Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:14 pm

And don't forget the irukanji of course - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irukandji_jellyfish

There are good reasons not to swim in northern Oz coastal waters in summer......
 
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:40 am

Lol. I would love to recommend to all those people interested in Australiana reading Bill Bryson's "In a Sunburned Country". It is fantastic. Love his thoughts on the box jellyfish, spiders, snakes, etcetera. I guess some Australians might feel a bit annoyed by this book, but for anyone thinking about visiting the country, it is a fantastic book.
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:05 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 11):
I guess some Australians might feel a bit annoyed by this book, but for anyone thinking about visiting the country, it is a fantastic book.

Aussies love Bill Bryson - he goes straight to the top of our bestseller with his books, that one included. It's good to have fun poked at you!  

Although the people of Canberra didn't like him much......
 
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:08 am

And you forgot all the things on land! The Common Brown snake, Taipan.. Then you head into the spiders. In the few trips to Australia, I've only seen a few biggish spiders (most outside) and the biggest one which was the size of my hand wasn't even that harmful. Sydney gets swarms of non-venomous jellyfish over the summer which feel really weird to swim through but it's better than having swarms of box jellyfish. But basically if you stick to the land and stick to the cities, there's less chance of you encountering these things.
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:16 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):
Sydney gets swarms of non-venomous jellyfish over the summer which feel really weird to swim through but it's better than having swarms of box jellyfish.

I thought you were talking about bluebottles (Portugese Man O' War) at first - they're defintiely not fun to swim through, although unlikely to be fatal.....
 
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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:19 am

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 6):
Just yesterday I had to whack a huge spider that was crawling over my bed

Oh lord.    I'm sort of an arachnophobe, so something like that would have freaked me out big time.

By the way, can anyone tell me the name of that horribly poisonous spider that is native to Australia? It's name escapes me at the moment.
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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:34 am

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 14):
I thought you were talking about bluebottles (Portugese Man O' War) at first

I didn't realise they were the same thing although they looked similar! Nope, they were the clear round variety. If I had seen a bluebottle, there would have been no way I would have jumped into the water (from a yacht). I think I suffer from jellyphobia.. Either that or I feared a shark was going to come after me.. Lucky we don't get many down here in NZ.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
By the way, can anyone tell me the name of that horribly poisonous spider that is native to Australia? It's name escapes me at the moment.

There are a few but the main ones are probably the Redback and the funnelweb.
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:36 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
There are a few but the main ones are probably the Redback and the funnelweb.

A few? Yikes. LOL. Yes the funnelweb is the one I was thinking of. Thanks!
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:39 am

The Sydney Funnel-web is the most poisonous - but no fatal bites have occured since antivenom was developed in 1981. Redbacks are far more common (I don't think we've got any in the yard at the moment) but, again, antivenom means no deaths.
 
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:55 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 2):
v) Do you lie awake at night in the US worrying about Rattlesnakes and Blackwidow spiders?

No, I generally do not lie awake worrying about rattlers and black widows, because I live in an urban area where they are not found.

If I _were_ out in the Mojave or the Sonora Desert, then of course I _would_ be worrying about them!

Just as if I _were_ to ever visit the Barrier Reef, I'd worry about these poisonous little a-holes...
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Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:20 pm

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 5):
Taipan (most venomous snake)

As mentioned, the Common Brown Snake is the most venomous snake in the world. A fun little tidbit, at least according to a book I read. Of the 9 most venomous snakes in the world, exactly 9 of them occur in Australia! How's that for fun!

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 14):
I thought you were talking about bluebottles (Portugese Man O' War) at first - they're defintiely not fun to swim through,

My friend got stung by a blue bottle up here on Lizard Island a few weeks ago. Lots of pain for about an hour, but after that, it was just a cool battle wound.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 16):
I didn't realise they were the same thing although they looked similar!

They're not the same thing, but they're related. They're both colonial animals. Portuguese Man-O-Wars are often massive, while blue bottles are quite small.

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Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:31 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 20):
Lots of pain for about an hour, but after that, it was just a cool battle wound.

Not quite so cool when you've copped the stinger directly across your mouth, including hittign your tongue...  

I suppose any country's scary, but I've lived in Oz all my life, swum in the ocean, walked and camped in the bush and I'm still alive. An interesting thing is that, although our snakes are very venomous, they're either scared of people or live well away from most population centres, so they're technically not very dealy to humans i.e. few people are killed by their bites. That doesn't mean I enjoy encountering snakes whilst walking.

Crocodiles do freak me out a bit when I'm up north - have you ever seen those things run for food in real life?
 
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Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:06 am

I lived in Aussie for some 8 years in the 90s and have made numerous before and since and never once ran across any of the above creatures (at least not by chance). Bottom line, no place is 100% safe and Aussie is safer than most. Most people who have encountered these animals, resulting in injury or death, usually did so out of ignorance and took no precautions. These animals are not out to stalk human prey, most will flee in the opposite direction if given a chance.

I live in Texas, and aside from some venomous snakes (Rattlesnakes, Cottonmouths and Copperheads) we now have to be concerned about Africanized Killer Bees, there have been several attacks resulting in a few fatalities. It is just a matter of taking some precautions and knowing what is out there and being prepared.

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Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 20):
As mentioned, the Common Brown Snake is the most venomous snake in the world. A fun little tidbit, at least according to a book I read. Of the 9 most venomous snakes in the world, exactly 9 of them occur in Australia! How's that for fun!

Its my understanding that the Olive Sea Snake is the world's most venomous, with the Fierce snake (Inland Taipan) as the most venomous land snake.


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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:08 pm

Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 22):
Its my understanding that the Olive Sea Snake is the world's most venomous, with the Fierce snake (Inland Taipan) as the most venomous land snake.

The Taipan is supposedly more venomous then the common brown snake, but I heard the brown snake injects a larger amount of venom....which makes it the more deadly snake  

These creatures here don't bother me...as a kid i grew up in the country in Tasmania, and we had tiger snakes around our house all the time, had one living outside my bedroom window for a while, even had them in the wall cavity of our house! I've been in the bush and had them rare up and hiss at me....but hey....i was the silly one about to tread on them while they were lying on the road in the sun...

Worked for a while in karratha in northern W.A. went swimming in the waters up there....there were stone fish around but didn't put me off swimming....just had to be careful when you put your feet down...

Now I live in Brisbane in Queensland...and sure the waters up here (especially further north) you have to be careful of the jellies....but swim at the patrolled beaches...some even have nets... and there is no worry!

Sure these creatures are their, and they CAN be dangerous...but the only time I hear of people getting bitten by snakes or spiders are the ones who go and try and attack them...
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RE: Toxic Australia: Jellyfish And Blue-Ring Octopus

Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:53 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 23):
some even have nets... and there is no worry!

But the box jellyfish can get through these nets right? And I guess the nets are also there for sharks..
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Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:11 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 24):
But the box jellyfish can get through these nets right? And I guess the nets are also there for sharks..

Wasn't a much smaller species of Box Jellyfish recently discovered that are able to penetrate those nets?

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Sat May 01, 2010 12:41 am

It's not the animals that stop me going to Australia, it's the Australians...:-P (friendly kiwi jab in the ribs)
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