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HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:23 pm

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-buys-palm/


Wow, this is a surprise. Didn't expect HP. Hope they can throw some cash behind WebOS and get a few of those devices over here.

Would be nice to see this spur more competition between with Android and iPhoneOS! Better features sooner...

EDIT: Here's a link with more information... http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s...&newsId=20100428006950&newsLang=en

[Edited 2010-04-28 13:41:18]
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:50 pm

I believe this is about intellectual property or using WebOS on tablets. I think HP knows that the smartphone market itself is too crazy for them to get into. There are already two hugely strong players (Apple, RIM) plus an up-and-coming one (Android) and two that are on the decline, but still have a bigger share than WebOS (Symbian and Windows Phone).
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:52 pm

That is terrific news for Palm! The best they could have hoped for, a quick sale at a good value (Comparatively) to an excellent technology company that will be able to use Palm's product experience and patent portfolio.

I can see why HP would be interested since Apple is showing that the mobile phone market is going to factor into to future growth of the computing market.

Congratulations to HP and to Palm!

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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:56 pm

I believe that this is great news for Palm, but that HP overpaid by about $1 Billion.

Palm is going to help HP in terms of an iPad competitor, but HP has some talented people who could have taken on Apple without Palm's help.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:01 pm

As a company that competes with HP, I hope they spend lots of time and energy figuring out what to do with Palm.

Either that, or they just wasted $1.2B on something that probably was going to crash sooner or later.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:52 pm

Well, WebOS is in my opinion the best smartphone OS out there, but Palm simply didn't know how to package it with attractive hardware. We'll see which direction they'll be heading, I still think that it could be a fine competitor in the market if HP gets the hardware right.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:16 am

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
Well, WebOS is in my opinion the best smartphone OS out there, but Palm simply didn't know how to package it with attractive hardware. We'll see which direction they'll be heading, I still think that it could be a fine competitor in the market if HP gets the hardware right.

I agree, and I think HP will continue in the mobile market regardles of RIM's and Iphone's presence. Actually RIM market share has severly dropped and isn't as formidable as let's say Iphone. SO we ith a great OS like WebOS, and the deep pockets and tech savy of HP we might be on to something here.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:18 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
There are already two hugely strong players (Apple, RIM) plus an up-and-coming one (Android) and two that are on the decline, but still have a bigger share than WebOS (Symbian and Windows Phone).

BTW, Symbian is actually the biggest player worldwide in smartphone market share and in general terms mobile market share.

I think HP is very capable of playing on the world stage.. It is said that one in five PCs is a HP.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:19 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):

I believe that this is great news for Palm, but that HP overpaid by about $1 Billion.

I agree. Great for Palm, but I really think HP is going to regret this down the road.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:21 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 8):
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 3):

I believe that this is great news for Palm, but that HP overpaid by about $1 Billion.

I agree. Great for Palm, but I really think HP is going to regret this down the road.

Why?

In my opinion, it is a good buy, Palm has a killer OS in its hands, and a very large quantity of enviable patents. At least so I have been told..
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:24 am

Quoting captaink (Reply 9):
and a very large quantity of enviable patents

I'd say this was probably the biggest reason behind buying Palm. I just don't think it was worth it.

Quoting captaink (Reply 9):
Palm has a killer OS in its hands,

WebOS is neat and all, but it's yet another phone OS. I think HP would have been better suited sticking with Android. And let's face it--HP buying Palm primarily for WebOS is nothing like Apple buying NeXT for the NeXT OS...a smart business decision
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:36 am

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 10):

WebOS is neat and all, but it's yet another phone OS. I think HP would have been better suited sticking with Android. And let's face it--HP buying Palm primarily for WebOS is nothing like Apple buying NeXT for the NeXT OS...a smart business decision

But it is a more than just another OS, it is a great one. (it is almost as if I work for Palm right..  ) Why would they have been better of with Android? They (HP) have a relationship with Windows Mobile and plan to maintain it. But I think they the potential with WebOS for a number of devices including their slate devices, to compete with the Ipad. HP is a pretty large company with deep pockets, they acquired Compaq, they acquired 3 Com, and now they want Palm. I am sure they are onto something.. 

Say hello to the new Ipaq.. HAHAHA


I know, many view this deal as a waste of money, but in my opinion it isn't and I think it wuold give for some interesting devices down the line. Let's see what happens..
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:28 am

Quoting captaink (Reply 11):
HP is a pretty large company with deep pockets, they acquired Compaq, they acquired 3 Com, and now they want Palm. I am sure they are onto something.

Don't forget EDS.

HP doesn't need to dominate the smart phone market. It's probably the most diversified company in the game. Buying Palm just strengthens their claim to their market share and does a lot of leg work in the smart phone area.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:57 am

Bono and his Elevation Partners sure made out nice on this - apparently they will be getting near $485 million from this deal as a return on their investment in Palm.

http://www.siliconbeat.com/2010/04/2...ers-take-a-hit-on-palm-investment/
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:12 am

I'm not a phone maven, but it seems Palm was sinking on its own.

HP does make some nice hardware, so it'll be interesting to see what if anything comes of this on the phone side of the deal.

As for a tablet, I don't know who will be happy to invest in a WebOS tablet since the software selection for it would be very limited compared to an iPad or a WIndows-based x86 tablet, or for that matter, a netbook.

It'd have to be really well done to win any market share, IMHO.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:44 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 7):
BTW, Symbian is actually the biggest player worldwide in smartphone market share and in general terms mobile market share.

Yes, and Symbian is being slaughtered by RIM and the iPhone. One look at Nokia's financial statements shows this.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 2:48 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):

HP does make some nice hardware, so it'll be interesting to see what if anything comes of this on the phone side of the deal.

Yeh, I think Palm was dying as well, and they needed to be bought out. And with HP Hardware it could be interesting.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
As for a tablet, I don't know who will be happy to invest in a WebOS tablet since the software selection for it would be very limited compared to an iPad or a WIndows-based x86 tablet, or for that matter, a netbook.

Well being fair WebOS is less than a year old, where as Applbe has had their devices a long time now. With HP in the picutre and the investment they said they would make in investigation, develpoment etc, we can expect that pretty soon WebOS would have it's fair share of apps. I mean less than a year and they have 3D games, something that Android which has been around much longer is still in the wait for developers to invest more time in.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:56 pm

Excerpt from a Q&A with theHP's strategy chief on the Palm acquisition

Seems as though they are really not looking at Android anymore. Well it would be rather redundant. But as mentioned more than once, WinMo, will continue to be one of their OS solutions..

Quote:
The last time you and I talked, we talked a bit about Android and the reasons why it’s attractive to use. I take it with this announcement that you’re not going to be using Android at all. You’re in a good position owning the software, but it’s difficult to monetize an OS in an environment where a competitor like Google is giving it away.

That’s the advantage of doing the whole system. We’re going to have a very elegant solution, including an app store, and an applications community. I think we’ll be able to, with our tightly integrated approach, be very competitive and very differentiated.

What does this say about any plans that you may or may not have to use Windows Phone 7? Will webOS be your exclusive mobile platform, or will you also use Microsoft. At one point, Palm was using both its own OS and Microsoft’s.

We’re going to have to sort through all that over the coming months. We’re very, very serious partners with Microsoft. We hope to continue to be their biggest customer. And in this particular space, which is a small segment for us, we’ve got to work with them to figure out exactly what the roadmap looks like.

How soon do you hope for this to close, and for the first HP devices with webOS to be in the marketplace?

We hope to close sometime in our Q3, which ends at the end of July. And we have not yet announced any product roadmaps.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/04/...y-chief-shane-robison-on-palm-buy/
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:04 pm

Has there been any announcement about continuing to use the Palm name on future products? Damaged though it is, Palm arguably has more presence or cachet in the market than the rarely thought of iPaq.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:17 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 17):
That’s the advantage of doing the whole system. We’re going to have a very elegant solution, including an app store, and an applications community. I think we’ll be able to, with our tightly integrated approach, be very competitive and very differentiated.

Differentiated? Clearly not from Apple...

This sounds more like a 'me too' solution.

Palm never had much momentum, and HP will need one hell of a tail wind to build critical mass, IMHO.

Who are they gonna attact?

The "Not Google, Not Apple, Not Microsoft" crowd?

Pretty small crowd if you ask me.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:56 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 17):
And in this particular space, which is a small segment for us, we’ve got to work with them to figure out exactly what the roadmap looks like.

Might have been wise to do that before dropping $1.2 big ones.  Wow!
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:14 pm

Quoting cws818 (Reply 18):
Has there been any announcement about continuing to use the Palm name on future products? Damaged though it is, Palm arguably has more presence or cachet in the market than the rarely thought of iPaq.

I can see HP keeping or dumping the name, it depends on what their strategy and marketing is. If they keep it i could imagine them having a line of "palm" computing products, items that fit in the palm of your hands. Again it just all depends. I do think it won't disappear instantly if they do decide to not use it, perhaps there will be a new "Palm Pro" introduced that fully integrates with HP IT and Enterprise systems for corporate communications, with full enterprise central control, security and yet numerous "productivity apps" to chose from. With WebOS under there control and Palm's foundation of enterprise support HP will be able to create a very secure system.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 19):
Who are they gonna attact?

As I mentioned above I think HP can easily enter the corporate market it already serves. It would compete directly with RIM but could be cheaper because HP is providing support up and down the entire corporate chain, no need for a third party (RIM).

I will be curious to see where HP does take this, the big thing I see is the Palm legacy of touch interface patents (which they will be combing through thoroughly) and technology being applied to future tablet (as well and phone/handheld) products.

Basically HP is an 800 pound gorilla in the computing and IT hardware world, and it has just bought itself a screwdriver that can open the smartphone and "touch" world. And this gorilla has proven recently that it knows how to use a screwdriver.

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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:25 pm

Quoting cws818 (Reply 18):
Has there been any announcement about continuing to use the Palm name on future products? Damaged though it is, Palm arguably has more presence or cachet in the market than the rarely thought of iPaq.

Apparently they might be kept as a separate unit, i.e. continue with the Palm name.

Quote:
Here’s the word, straight from HP during today’s conference call: “We intend to operate it as a business unit, which is in line with the way we’re structured today.”
http://www.precentral.net/palm-operate-business-unit-within-hp
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:36 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Might have been wise to do that before dropping $1.2 big ones.

HP has revenue of $115B a year. $1.2B is really insiginificant for a company of that size.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:40 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 19):
The "Not Google, Not Apple, Not Microsoft" crowd?

On devices smaller than netbooks, Microsoft is bombing horribly. They've messed up their attempts at tablets for ten years, and canceled Courier yesterday. They are an also-ran on cell phones. HP/Palm can hardly do worse than them in that market.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:45 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 24):
On devices smaller than netbooks, Microsoft is bombing horribly. They've messed up their attempts at tablets for ten years, and canceled Courier yesterday. They are an also-ran on cell phones. HP/Palm can hardly do worse than them in that market.

And on of their loyal customers just decided againts going for a Windows tablet.

Quote:
Hewlett-Packard has killed off its much ballyhooed Windows 7 tablet computer, says a source who’s been briefed on the matter.

The device was first unveiled by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer at CES 2010 in January and was supposed to hit the market in mid 2010. But our source tells us that HP is not satisfied with Windows 7 as a tablet operating system and has terminated the project (something CrunchGear mentioned months ago).
http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/29/hew...ws-7-tablet-project/#ixzz0mbAwBN4e

But as said in the article, it might be a challenge as HP doesn't have much experience in porting an OS, they are for what it is worth a hardware specialist.

HP doesn't seem too interested in the phone part of the deal. They seem to predicted a very sharp rise in tablet like devices in the future, they way laptops and smartphones, have rised recently. And they want to be able to offer something unique like Apple, instead of going with what all the rest most probably might go with, W7 or Android. I have read somewhere else that they have no intention of licensing WebOS for use on other (not hp/Palm devices).

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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:51 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 25):
But as said in the article, it might be a challenge as HP doesn't have much experience in porting an OS, they are for what it is worth a hardware specialist.

1) They don't have anything to port. Like Apple did with the iPad, and the Android tablet vendors are doing, they are scaling up existing ARM-based hardware.

2) You're kidding, right? HP (including acquired firms) conducted several ISA transitions with the OSes they've got under their control. VMS has run on three architectures, and HP-UX has run on at least four. They assisted Microsoft with the IA-64 port of Windows, and had Windows running on AXP hardware. Then there's NonStop. That's just for starters.

Let's not forget that HP also has a new army of programmers in their services division (formerly EDS.)

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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:06 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
Well, WebOS is in my opinion the best smartphone OS out there, but Palm simply didn't know how to package it with attractive hardware. We'll see which direction they'll be heading, I still think that it could be a fine competitor in the market if HP gets the hardware right.

I totally agree. WebOS was the best mobile OS out there. It’s such a joy to use. The Pre hardware was lacking and they had issues with app support. But their biggest problem was the awful ad campaign in the beginning and when they first got to Verizon. It was a good phone, but nobody will use it unless you advertise it properly.

This is a good move for Palm. I was thinking (and hoping) that HTC would take them over since they have the best hardware, but they lost interest. HP is a good alternative. As many people already mentioned, I think they’re gunning for the tablet market and WebOS would be the ideal platform to build a tablet around. Also, word has it that HP has killed their Windows 7 tablet.

I’m happy overall because WebOS survives and will hopefully thrive with more money and better hardware.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:28 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 26):

Let's not forget that HP also has a new army of programmers in their services division (formerly EDS.)

I stand corrected, HP does know how to handle an OS. Then things might even be better. Thanks for the insight.

Quoting Corinthians (Reply 27):
I’m happy overall because WebOS survives and will hopefully thrive with more money and better hardware.

My sentiments exactly.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:03 pm

I don't think there's a reason to give up on the smartphone market just yet. Sure, they probably won't take it by storm, but I'm pretty sure a package of the hardware of the current first class Android devices and WebOS is gonna be a winner. Sure, they won't reach Android/iPhone OS numbers when it comes to apps, but imho those numbers are way overrated anyway. Nobody needs a choice of 2000 different fart apps, and the important stuff will be available pretty soon. Add another device with a landscape-keyboard (à la Droid) and one for a more affordable price with mid-range specs and I can see WebOS doing just fine.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:16 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 29):
I don't think there's a reason to give up on the smartphone market just yet. Sure, they probably won't take it by storm, but I'm pretty sure a package of the hardware of the current first class Android devices and WebOS is gonna be a winner. Sure, they won't reach Android/iPhone OS numbers when it comes to apps, but imho those numbers are way overrated anyway. Nobody needs a choice of 2000 different fart apps, and the important stuff will be available pretty soon. Add another device with a landscape-keyboard (à la Droid) and one for a more affordable price with mid-range specs and I can see WebOS doing just fine.

That’s why I wanted HTC to take over because they make the best hardware and something like an HTC EVO 4G packaged with WebOS would be an awesome device.

Speaking of apps, WebOS has about 2000. Not as many as Android or iPhone, but more than Blackberry or WinMobile. I think Blackberry is barely pushing 1000, but nobody ever complains about that.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:17 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 29):
Nobody needs a choice of 2000 different fart apps

Speak for yourself!  
Quoting racko (Reply 29):
imho those numbers are way overrated anyway

Actually I agree all of the app counts are overrated.

One local car dealer is asking you to try their new iPhone app.

Geez, isn't a web browser good enough?
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:37 pm

Quoting Corinthians (Reply 30):
That’s why I wanted HTC to take over because they make the best hardware and something like an HTC EVO 4G packaged with WebOS would be an awesome device.

But HTC seems to be so in bed with Android, it's hard to seem them go another way. But hey they are also in bed with WinMo so I guess nothing is impossible.

Quoting Corinthians (Reply 30):

Speaking of apps, WebOS has about 2000. Not as many as Android or iPhone, but more than Blackberry or WinMobile. I think Blackberry is barely pushing 1000, but nobody ever complains about that.

I always think that all the thousands of apps are not really necessary for everyday use and not a reason I would use to choose one phone over another. I have a Pre, and yes I am missing a few things like, Skype and a Doc Editing app. Other than that I can't think anything I need. I have a couple games, NFS, Tennis, my news and weather apps, my email is perfect, I can't think of anything I am missing. What's more WebOS is very young, it needs time and I think for it's short existence it hasn't done too badly for itself.
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:33 pm

Quoting captaink (Reply 32):
I always think that all the thousands of apps are not really necessary for everyday use and not a reason I would use to choose one phone over another. I have a Pre, and yes I am missing a few things like, Skype and a Doc Editing app. Other than that I can't think anything I need. I have a couple games, NFS, Tennis, my news and weather apps, my email is perfect, I can't think of anything I am missing. What's more WebOS is very young, it needs time and I think for it's short existence it hasn't done too badly for itself.

I agree with you about the apps. But like I said, BB has half the apps of WebOS and nobody complains. That's just silly.

I have a Pre as well and am desperate for a doc editing app. You can get around it by downloading PalmOS Classic and using the old PalmOS Doc2Go. That works fine. I would prefer something native to WebOS, though. Sadly, Dataviz said they were going to stop programming for their WebOS Doc2Go version.

As for Skype, it doesn't look like it's coming out on the Pre, but you might be able to get around it this way:

http://www.programmerfish.com/instant-messaging-use-skype-on-palm-pre/

Still nowhere near as good as a Skype app would be and you have to pay.
 
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RE: HP Buys Palm For $1.2 Billion

Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:45 pm

Quoting Corinthians (Reply 33):
I have a Pre as well and am desperate for a doc editing app. You can get around it by downloading PalmOS Classic and using the old PalmOS Doc2Go. That works fine. I would prefer something native to WebOS, though. Sadly, Dataviz said they were going to stop programming for their WebOS Doc2Go version.

Thanks for the Skype tips man. There is a new app, Scratch I think it is, that i supposed to be promising.. Check it out..
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