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F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 9:27 am

As the Spanish Grand Prix is just 5 days a way it seems time to move on from Shanghai.

Little has happened in the F1 universe in the last couple of weeks, perhaps the stress of finding their way home during an airline shutdown has affected the protagonists.

Mercedes hope a longer wheelbase will help Schumi with his times, some consider his problem is slower corners so how a longer wheelbase helps there???

Massa and Alonso have been putting on friendly faces but I doubt that Alonso should expect a Christmas card from Felipe.


Looking forward to the weekend.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 9:42 am

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
Mercedes hope a longer wheelbase will help Schumi with his times, some consider his problem is slower corners so how a longer wheelbase helps there???

Personally I think the problem is not mainly the car, but the one who is driving it. Schumi is however very careful when predicting that the upgrades would make that big of a difference. Rosberg seem to not be in need of any, but if they work in his advantage we will see him even more on the podium.

Quoting Stealthz (Thread starter):
Massa and Alonso have been putting on friendly faces but I doubt that Alonso should expect a Christmas card from Felipe.

haha......this was more or less expected, right? I don't think anyone here will argue against it.
However, Massa is again up against a WDC holder as team mate, and if he's not able to beat him on the track, lets wine like a bit#h. And yeah, Alonso is good at that as well, but he is in my mind the stronger of the two.
Sorry Massa fans but I would not mind if Kubica took over his seat next year.

It's a bit like the first race of the season again as most teams are upgrading their cars.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 9:51 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 1):
It's a bit like the first race of the season again as most teams are upgrading their cars.

Except only one Virgin car will have the fuel to make the distance.
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 1:57 pm

Quoting bill142 (Reply 2):
Except only one Virgin car will have the fuel to make the distance.

So if we see the other car head in to town during the race, it's simply to top it up at the nearest gas station. 

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 4:30 pm

I'd tip RBR and Ferrari. I think McLaren Mercedes will have achieved another leap, but not enough to win fair and square on the dry.

I'm not too optimistic regarding Mercedes car's new wheelbase. They lack of tests...
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 4:48 pm

Question: I read that Fisichella tested new components on his car for their new F duct system. How are they allowed to do that?
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 4:59 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 1):
It's a bit like the first race of the season again as most teams are upgrading their cars.

I have similar thoughts, only this time everybody knows more or less about how the rules are interpreted and can introduce like solutions.

Anyways Alonso will be looking to impress his home crowd. Most likely no rain this race.
I'd like a good finish for Robert and Button. The rest ? Don't really care  

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Tue May 04, 2010 10:08 pm

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 5):
How are they allowed to do that?
Quoting Autosport:
Test driver Giancarlo Fisichella tried out the latest iteration of Ferrari's blown rear wing during an aerodynamic test at Vairano last week, and the team is happy enough to keep pushing on with its development.
Quoting 2010 F1 Sporting Regulations:
22) TRACK AND WIND TUNNEL TESTING
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iii) Six one day aerodynamic tests carried out on FIA approved straight line or constant radius sites between 1 January 2010 and the end of the last Event of the Championship. Any of these days may be substituted for four hours of wind-on full scale wind tunnel testing to be carried out in a single twenty four hour period.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 7:11 am

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 5):
How are they allowed to do that?

They are allowed to do this as these 4 days of testing is part of the agreement made up by all the teams.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 7:53 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 8):
They are allowed to do this as these 4 days of testing is part of the agreement made up by all the teams.

No, they are are allowed to do this straight line (or constant radius) aerodynamic testing as described by me in reply 7.

There is no "4 days of testing" as agreed by the teams.

The only track testing allowed during the season is a one day test for a replacement driver and as far as I know the Scuderia have not replaced Alonso or Massa with Fisi.*

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* Although having just discovered a design flaw in their seasons old"Frozen" engine and been allowed to make changes nothing would surprise me.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 8:30 am

I might have read it wrong then,

Quote:
Ferrari’s Vairano test was part of the four days of aerodynamic testing allowed in the testing agreement, as defined by the 12 Formula One teams.

from F1.com

Ferrari allowed to modify their engines!
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/83320

Quote:
Ferrari has been given the green light by the FIA to make modifications to its engine on reliability grounds following the problems it has had in the early stages of the season.

I guess there is always ways to work around the fines they would have got if they had run out of engines. And what's the bloddy reason of having a serten amount of engines if you can still modify the ones you have to make them more reliabel!? An engine blowing up is not really a question about safety.
I can't say I like it that they have been allowed to do this.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 9:25 am

Quoting sudden (Reply 10):
I might have read it wrong then,

No, you read it correctly they appear to have written it wrong.

Also from F1.com-

Quote:
Since 2009, testing during the race season itself has been banned (from the week preceding the first Grand Prix to December 31), with the exception of a small number of straight-line aero tests. There are also restrictions on wind tunnel testing - the scale models used may be no larger than 60 percent and speeds are limited to 50 metres per second.

I think the F1.com writer may have been referring to those straight line aero tests, the original "cost cutting" proposal IIRC was to reduce the 2009 level of 8 days to 4 but it ended up at 6 as specified in the sporting regs.

I also agree with you on the Ferrari engine mods.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 9:49 am

Christian Klien has been appointed test driver for Hispania Racing Team... A bit of a shame considering that he endangered his position in Peugeot to find a seat in F1 this season, and he ends up being only a test driver for the least competitive F1 team.

I'd rather be part of Peugeot, having the chance to win Le Mans, Sebring or Petit Le Mans in one of the fastest sports car in the world, than being a test driver for HRT.... But as Blaise Pascal said: The heart has its reasons, which reason does not know...

Quoting sudden (Reply 10):
I can't say I like it that they have been allowed to do this.

Me neither. But I'm really not surprised about the FIA's decision.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 10:36 am

VW confirm they are looking closely at joining F1 as an engine supplier when the new engine regs kick in 2013.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/249425/
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 10:51 am

Quoting cornish (Reply 13):
VW confirm they are looking closely at joining F1 as an engine supplier when the new engine regs kick in 2013.

they stated a few months back they wouldn't be in F1 before 2012. I guess with new regs coming in in 2013 it makes sense to push it back a year.
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Wed May 05, 2010 12:55 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
But I'm really not surprised about the FIA's decision.

I hope other teams will raise some serious complaints against this. It's not so much that it's Ferrari. But to me FIA threw the engine supply rule out the window when allowing Ferrari to do this.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 11:30 am

First practice session classification:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.134 21
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.672 + 0.538 14
3. Schumacher Mercedes 1:21.716 + 0.582 12
4. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:22.011 + 0.877 27
5. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:22.026 + 0.892 22
6. Rosberg Mercedes 1:22.070 + 0.936 19
7. Kubica Renault 1:22.202 + 1.068 22
8. Alonso Ferrari 1:22.258 + 1.124 19
9. Petrov Renault 1:22.397 + 1.263 23
10. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.492 + 1.358 26
11. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:22.588 + 1.454 24
12. Massa Ferrari 1:22.975 + 1.841 22
13. di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:23.030 + 1.896 21
14. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.110 + 1.976 31
15. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:23.284 + 2.150 19
16. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:23.312 + 2.178 22
17. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:23.471 + 2.337 20
18. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.329 + 4.195 17
19. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:26.244 + 5.110 20
20. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.340 + 5.206 23
21. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.694 + 5.560 24
22. Klien HRT-Cosworth 1:27.250 + 6.116 26
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:27.752 + 6.618 27
24. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari No time 3
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 12:03 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 16):
First practice session classification:

Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.134 21
2. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:21.672 + 0.538 14

Got back from Buenos Aires one day later after a lot of unexpected flights mishaps and adventures.

So now we are already at the Barcelona Grand Prix.
What I see here suits me quite well. Let's see what cooks. I hope for rain, of course.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 12:50 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
What I see here suits me quite well.

But remember it is only practice.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 1:07 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 18):
it is only practice.

That it is but with a few interesting side plots.

The controversy regarding Ferrari and their "subliminal" Marlboro advertising provoked all kinds of sanctimonious responses from the Scuderia, Luca di Montezemolo for one labeled the accusations "nonsense" and said the barcode design was merely an integral part of the Ferrai livery, the cars and transporters arrived at Barcelona without the "barcode" design.... curious,
They must have been planning a livery change... coincidence, perhaps?

I don't think so!!

Mercedes, long wheelbase, chassis change, familiar European environment? Approx halfway into P2 something seems to be working for MS, maybe it is that funky new air intake/engine cover, MBGP were right, not seen anything like that in F1 for quite a while.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 1:32 pm

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 19):
maybe it is that funky new air intake/engine cover, MBGP were right, not seen anything like that in F1 for quite a while.

What could be the benefits of such a design?
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 1:36 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
What could be the benefits of such a design?

Who knows?
Perhaps moves the intake into smoother air away from the cockpit/driver/helmet turbulence... but just guessing.

For those unaware of what MBGP have done, this may help..

Big version: Width: 800 Height: 534 File size: 90kb


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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 1:50 pm

And the Kubica to Ferrari in 2011 rumours gather more pace - the rumours coming from Italy this time.....

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/159455/..._ferrari_option_reports_claim.html
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 2:39 pm

Quoting cornish (Reply 22):
And the Kubica to Ferrari in 2011 rumours gather more pace - the rumours coming from Italy this time.....

This just needs to happen if you ask me. If anyone, Massa will not be the one bringing back the no. 1 on their car anyway.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 3:19 pm

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 21):
For those unaware of what MBGP have done, this may help..

That is just completetly ugly and appaling.

Quoting cornish (Reply 22):
And the Kubica to Ferrari in 2011 rumours gather more pace - the rumours coming from Italy this time.....

Would be nice, but I think he is doing well in Renault, at least they are listening to him, I'm a bit reluctant to see that happening in Scuderia.

nice performances from robert #6 and #7.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 10:25 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 24):
I think he is doing well in Renault

You should say: "I think he's doing well for Renault!"

Many French observers say that Renault is performing better than expected thanks to Kubica.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Fri May 07, 2010 10:41 pm

On a more sober note, it is 28 years today(May 8th 1982) since the great talent that was Gilles Villeneuve was forever lost to us, his familay and and freinds.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 12:12 am

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 26):
On a more sober note, it is 28 years today(May 8th 1982) since the great talent that was Gilles Villeneuve was forever lost to us, his familay and and freinds.

Yes, truly a sad loss both to F1 fans, and to all Canadians.

For historical memories, I was lucky enough to be trackside for his first ever F1 win at Montreal in 1978 in the Ferrari 312-T3

Here's a shot of Gilles on his way to victory. It was a cloudy and very cold fall day in Montreal, almost snowing.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55/Steve_YYZ/Misc_Photos/GillesVilleneuve-Montreal78.jpg
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 10:33 am

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 26):
On a more sober note, it is 28 years today(May 8th 1982) since the great talent that was Gilles Villeneuve was forever lost to us

A great talent indeed, with a spectucular driving. It's a shame I wasn't born yet to witness his performances.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 10:54 am

P3 results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2010/828/6727/

About an hour to go till qualifying starts!
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 11:21 am

The Red Bulls will be difficult to beat.
Put the best driver in a car that will not respond, there is no chance that they will be in first place.

Let's see what comes.
It is cold here on the Cote d'Azur for this time of the year.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 12:10 pm

Amazing to see Alonso driving with the "pad" on the back of his left glove blocking the airflow so the F duct works. Look ma..... no hands!!!! while his right hand adjusts the brake balance.

The FIA has got to eventually think that is unsafe for the drivers? comments??
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 12:38 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 31):
The FIA has got to eventually think that is unsafe for the drivers?

I tend to agree and is something that probably should have been nipped in the bud with the McLaren at the beginning of the season.
Also curious about the Mercedes, some commentators are saying the wheelebase is almost 30cm longer than in China. In a highly strung and precise instrument like a modern F1 car, how much can you gain by angling suspension components and bellhousing lengths etc?
Surely changes of such magnitude require some changes to the chassis and there have been no annoucements of the FIA allowing this.
Curious about the rollover protection as well

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 12:48 pm

Kamui is doing well today. I hope he will get some points tomorrow. I would be happy of the same for Pedro.
Hammy is doing well. I don't worry so much about him.
Let's see how it goes in Q3.

Q2 results

Pos Pilote No. Ecurie Chrono Tours
1 Mark Webber AUS 6 Red Bull - 12 dans les stands
2 Sebastian Vettel GER 5 Red Bull - 14 dans les stands
3 Jenson Button GBR 1 McLaren - 12 dans les stands
4 Lewis Hamilton GBR 2 McLaren - 11 dans les stands
5 Fernando Alonso ESP 8 Ferrari - 17 dans les stands
6 Michael Schumacher GER 3 Mercedes - 12 dans les stands
7 Robert Kubica POL 11 Renault - 10 dans les stands
8 Kamui Kobayashi JPN 23 BMW Sauber - 16 dans les stands
9 Felipe Massa BRA 7 Ferrari - 18 dans les stands
10 Nico Rosberg GER 4 Mercedes - 16 dans les stands
11 Adrian Sutil GER 14 Force India - 17 dans les stands

        
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 12:49 pm

The Redbulls are so fast... No one can match them.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:06 pm

The Red Bulls are definitely superior though everything can change during race time.

Grid

1 Mark Webber AUS 6 Red Bull 1'19.995 18 dans les stands
2 Sebastian Vettel GER 5 Red Bull 1'20.101 20 dans les stands
3 Lewis Hamilton GBR 2 McLaren 1'20.829 17 dans les stands
4 Fernando Alonso ESP 8 Ferrari 1'20.937 23 dans les stands
5 Jenson Button GBR 1 McLaren 1'20.991 18 dans les stands
6 Michael Schumacher GER 3 Mercedes 1'21.294 18 dans les stands
7 Robert Kubica POL 11 Renault 1'21.353 16 dans les stands
8 Nico Rosberg GER 4 Mercedes 1'21.408 22 dans les stands
9 Felipe Massa BRA 7 Ferrari 1'21.585 24 dans les stands
10 Kamui Kobayashi JPN 23 BMW Sauber 1'21.984 20 dans les stands
...
11 Adrian Sutil GER 14 Force India 1'21.985 17 dans les stands
12 Pedro de la Rosa ESP 22 BMW Sauber 1'22.026 17 dans les stands
13 Nico Hülkenberg GER 10 Williams 1'22.131 14 dans les stands
14 Vitaly Petrov RUS 12 Renault 1'22.139 14 dans les stands
15 Sébastien Buemi SUI 16 Toro Rosso 1'22.191 16 dans les stands
16 Jaime Alguersuari ESP 17 Toro Rosso 1'22.207 15 dans les stands
17 Vitantonio Liuzzi ITA 15 Force India 1'22.854 18 dans les stands
18 Rubens Barrichello BRA 9 Williams 1'23.125 9 dans les stands
19 Jarno Trulli ITA 18 Lotus 1'24.674 10 dans les stands
20 Heikki Kovalainen FIN 19 Lotus 1'24.748 10 dans les stands
21 Timo Glock GER 24 Virgin Racing 1'25.475 8 dans les stands
22 Lucas Di Grassi BRA 25 Virgin Racing 1'25.556 7 dans les stands
23 Karun Chandhok IND 20 HRT F1 1'26.750 8 dans les stands
24 Bruno Senna BRA 21 HRT F1 1'27.122 9 dans les stands
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:18 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
The Red Bulls are definitely superior though everything can change during race time.

Unless something happens to the Redbulls no one will be able to beat them tomorrow.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:24 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 36):
Unless something happens to the Redbulls no one will be able to beat them tomorrow.

Haven't we heard this before? Seems to me that the RBR cars are dynamite qualifiers, but lack or can't sustain that pace during the race. Will be an interesting race however.
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:26 pm

Wonder what action will be taken against Ferrari for their unsafe release of Alonso?

Likely little or nothing I suspect!
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:27 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 1):
Personally I think the problem is not mainly the car, but the one who is driving it.

Come again? 
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:27 pm

Quoting photopilot (Reply 37):
Seems to me that the RBR cars are dynamite qualifiers, but lack or can't sustain that pace during the race. Will be an interesting race however.

But that might change now with the updated car.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:29 pm

I would not say that the Red Bulls are unbeatable. Have you ever heard about engine failures or/and other breakdowns? and spins? and crashes? Then the rain factor? Formula 1 is totally unpredictable. It's all on the spur of the moment.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 1:41 pm

Quoting sudden (Reply 1):
Personally I think the problem is not mainly the car, but the one who is driving it.

Really? Care to explain this after the qualifying results so far (Q1, Q2, Q3)...  

The Red Bulls are so fast over 1 lap they make everything else look silly. And Webber again out-qualified Vettel - at the crucial moment doing the faster lap.

I don't believe the Red Bull cars will be best in the race tomorrow - it's too much of a lottery at the moment in the races. And you never know, the two of them might crash each other out at the first corner.
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 2:21 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 41):
Have you ever heard about engine failures or/and other breakdowns? and spins? and crashes? Then the rain factor? Formula 1 is totally unpredictable

Did you read what I wrote?

Quoting B747forever (Reply 36):
Unless something happens to the Redbulls no one will be able to beat them tomorrow.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 5:26 pm

Quoting flood (Reply 39):
Come again?
Quoting cpd (Reply 42):
Really?

So because he managed to beat his team mate in quali for the first time since this season started, you guys think he is back and will kick a$$ out there! And the race has not even been driven yet. Rather amusing to read actually. 
I think you also need to recall what I wrote about Schumi apart from the text you quoted. I wont bother to quote myself, but will do when he has proven himself over the course of another 4-5 races.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 7:23 pm

I wonder if the volcano ash cloud will make the moving from Spain to Monaco more difficult. There is talk that they may have to close the airport in Nice because of the ash cloud and mostly the bad weather that is causing a concentration of volcanic ash stronger than usual. The ash cloud is moving from Spain toward the South of France affecting the airports in Nice and Marseille.

 

Worse comes to worse they can always transport everything by road or sea only I don't know how long it would take.
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 11:55 pm

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 38):
Likely little or nothing I suspect!

Well a $20,000 fine in fact, hope they can afford it!!
I guess any other penalty would be unfair to Alonso(did I say that?) and he had no control over the incident.

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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sat May 08, 2010 11:59 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
I wonder if the volcano ash cloud will make the moving from Spain to Monaco more difficult.
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):

Worse comes to worse they can always transport everything by road

You just answered your own question. The equipment for the European races is transported by road.

Quoting Stealthz (Reply 38):
Wonder what action will be taken against Ferrari for their unsafe release of Alonso?

They were fined $20K
There was no one in the pit lane spotting for traffic and no way Alonso could have seen Rosberg. It was just plain stupidity.
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Quoting B747forever (Reply 36):
Unless something happens to the Redbulls no one will be able to beat them tomorrow.

Something probably will.

Quoting sudden (Reply 44):
So because he managed to beat his team mate in quali for the first time since this season started, you guys think he is back and will kick a$$ out there! And the race has not even been driven yet. Rather amusing to read actually.
I think you also need to recall what I wrote about Schumi apart from the text you quoted. I wont bother to quote myself, but will do when he has proven himself over the course of another 4-5 races.

The car is suiting MSC now. I suspect that Nico will ask to go back to the short wheelbase version for the next race. So you should see them even up and then we will see who is actually able to beat who.

Quoting cpd (Reply 42):

I don't believe the Red Bull cars will be best in the race tomorrow - it's too much of a lottery at the moment in the races. And you never know, the two of them might crash each other out at the first corner.

A splash of rain and Jenson Button will be winner again, with Lewis Hamilton stuffing up then making numerous passes to get into a decent position. Or has he learned from the other side of the garrage?
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sun May 09, 2010 2:24 am

I love conspiracy theories. I spend a lot of time on the Autosport.com racing forums, and it ends up being more of a laugh than an interesting discussion about racing because of all the fanboys posting completely absurd comments that disparage drivers. The best best one that has popped up so far this weekend is that Mercedes have intentionally changed their car specifically to boost MSC knowing full well that the design changes will hinder Rosberg. Are you kidding me? They are investing hundreds of millions of dollars in this series to win a championship, and they have a driver 2nd in the standings poised to have his best ever season, yet they'd really go and ruin that driver's chances to cater to his admittedly illustrious teammate? That's even more absurd than all the conspiracy theories from MSC's days at Ferrari. Yes, the car appears more off the pace than it has recently, but maybe, just maybe, the other teams have improved even more rapidly than MGP so despite an absolute improvement in the car, their relative position is worse than it has been?

Anyway, I'm happy to see MSC finally getting the hang of these current cars and I'm fairly confident that he'll be ahead for the majority of the rest of the season, but it'll be interesting in Monaco because Rosberg has been very quick there in weak Williams cars over the last few years.

As for the rest of the grid... I've been a Massa fan ever since he joined Ferrari in 2006, but his performance today made me finally open my eyes and realize that he does need to be replaced by Kubica. I know it's just one qualifying, but to be 6 tenths or so off your teammate on a track that everyone knows like the back of their hand is just bad. I think maybe he's lost some of his edge since his accident last year, but whatever the case may be, Kubica looks every day like a more complete driver that can fight for the title alongside Alonso.

It also shocks me to see how quick Red Bull are. Clearly this season has told us that Red Bull is incredibly quick but inconsistent, but I can't remember a time since maybe the dominant Ferrari years in '02 and '04 when a car was so much quicker than the rest of the field. 8 tenths of a second ahead of the next best car? On this track where the entire grid was covered by a couple seconds last year? Insane. I thought the second year of these regulations would bring the grid even closer together than it had been last year, but it looks like Newey's genius knows no bounds and he's created one of the most aerodynamically efficient cars in F1 history. I can't believe with all the changes to get rid of winglets and reduce rear wing width and reduce overall grip with the narrower and harder tires, these cars are still setting lap records better than the 980HP V10 unlimited aero tire war cars of 2004. Nothing drives innovation like competition, you could draw a parallel between the pace of development in F1 to the pace of aircraft development during WWII. Starting the war with biplanes and ending with jets firing air to air rockets... Clearly, in F1 the impetus for development is just a bit different than it is in war (money vs. saving the lives of your countrymen), but the principle of pushing the bounds of technology and innovation to gain a competitive edge by the best engineers on the planet is the same.
 
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RE: F1 2010: Spanish Grand Prix Barcelona

Sun May 09, 2010 3:08 am

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 48):
e. I thought the second year of these regulations would bring the grid even closer together than it had been last year, but it looks like Newey's genius knows no bounds and he's created one of the most aerodynamically efficient cars in F1 history. I

What would it be like if they had a proper engine like the Mercedes cars? It'd be even more unstoppable.

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