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Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sat May 08, 2010 8:58 am

You have to be kidding. £429 for the 16GB model?? The computers you could buy for that money!! What a load of rubbish. This sucks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...e-iPad-cost-UK-does-US-stores.html

The UK Apple site doesn't actually give the prices, merely saying: "A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price".

Well, if the stupid Mail article is to be believed then they're right - it is an unbelievable price.
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Sat May 08, 2010 10:56 am

The price has been officially announced, it can be found here:

http://www.apple.com/uk/pr/library/2010/05/07ipad.html

So yes, £429 / €499 for the 16 GB WiFi model is the official price. Consider that it includes VAT - the US $499 price doesn't include sales tax. Not too bad after all.

I ordered mine from relatives in the US. Everything considered (tax, shipping, customs), I ended up spending a little more than buying it here. So I don't think the prices are unreasonable.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sat May 08, 2010 1:45 pm

The german prices:

16GB WiFi: €514,–
32GB WiFi: €614,–
64GB WiFi: €714,–

16GB WiFi+3G: €614,–
32GB WiFi+3G: €714,–
64GB WiFi+3G: €814,–

(Including 19% VAT, about €15,– GEMA copyright fee and mandatory 1+1 year warranty)
 
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sat May 08, 2010 4:42 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
What a load of rubbish.

Consumers will decide if it is or isn't. Remember that the UK/European/Australian releases were delayed a month because of unexpectedly high demand in the US - a pretty good sign that the consumers in the iPad's target market don't think it's rubbish.

WHile I would like one I'm going to wait until there is an iChat camera included. Maybe next year.  
 
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Sat May 08, 2010 9:48 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
Consider that it includes VAT - the US $499 price doesn't include sales tax.

Yeah, but in some places in the U.S. sales tax is 0%.

The joys of cheap things in America. My laptop cost the same in the U.S. as it does in the UK, except I paid for it in dollars and in the UK its the same price with a pound sign. Ridiculous.
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Sat May 08, 2010 10:19 pm

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
"A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price".

   Magical? You have to be kidding me   

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
You have to be kidding.

Nope. Sad thing is there are Lemmings crazy enough to buy them

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
So I don't think the prices are unreasonable.

You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sat May 08, 2010 11:36 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.  sarcastic 

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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sat May 08, 2010 11:40 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
"A magical and revolutionary product at an unbelievable price".

Magical? You have to be kidding me

Arthur C. Clarke: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

We happen to know (well, at least believe) that it's technology in this case, from our incremental experience and observation of the development before it. But on its own, without more detailed background knowledge, an iPad is damn close to magic when you just touch and use it...   

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

Well, it seems that neither Apple nor most of its users have noticed yet that it ought to be completely useless according to the self-appointed experts.

The same kind of experts, by the way, who not so long ago had told everyone that a computer with something as ridiculous as a "mouse" could never be a useful tool for anything...   

[Edited 2010-05-08 16:41:37]
 
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Sun May 09, 2010 12:08 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
an iPad is damn close to magic when you just touch and use it...

   So I guess my touchscreen cellphone is magic too! Oh and the ATM at Bank of America, and the point of sale system at my old job, oh and my GameCom from 1998!   

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.

But its magical dammit.
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Sun May 09, 2010 1:01 am

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 8):
So I guess my touchscreen cellphone is magic too! Oh and the ATM at Bank of America, and the point of sale system at my old job, oh and my GameCom from 1998!

Sure – you've just got to step back a bit further and accept a cruder version of magic for that...!
 
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Sun May 09, 2010 6:36 am

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Nope. Sad thing is there are Lemmings crazy enough to buy them

Yeah so sad in fact that Apple can't keep up with the demand ?

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

Again, Apple must be doing something right. They can't make then fast enough in get them into peoples hands.
Why do you have to have an external keyboard, can't you type on a screen ?

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 8):
So I guess my touchscreen cellphone is magic too! Oh and the ATM at Bank of America, and the point of sale system at my old job, oh and my GameCom from 1998!

Whats your problem ?

For someone who obviously doesn't like Apple Ipads (or probably most things Apple I would venture to say) you sure have a lot to say about them !

Please if you want to bash Apple, go start a new thread. This one is about the cost of an Ipad in the UK, that's all.  
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Sun May 09, 2010 8:04 am

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
You don't think that $500 for a over hyped tablet that cant multitask, has no external keyboard and until recently no USB support is unreasonable?

We already had this, there's no need to re-hash the theories why someone would *not* want an iPad.

The New IPad, Who Is Buying, Who Is Interested? (by Ken777 Mar 9 2010 in Non Aviation)
I'm So Sick Of Apple (by JetsGo Apr 19 2010 in Non Aviation)

We can, however, share experiences among those who already have one. Yes, I happen to be one of them  . After using it, I can say the following:

- the Apple haters are right, it is *not* for everyone. But I already said that before (in the other threads). It *is* for me though, and for at least 1 million other people (so far)

- I can do all the remote IT system management I need with it. With 1.6 lbs of weight, I can carry it around all the time (and not only "sometimes when I feel like it" or when I really *need* to, like my MacBook Pro). This means that when something hits the fan at work, I will be able to fix it anytime. It increased my productivity to no end. OK, not everyone will like this (for example those who don't want to be on call for work during their free time), but I do

- I can moderate the A.net forums from it   . The iPhone wouldn't allow me to do it comfortably (the screen is too small)

- it is my couch computer in the living room. I tried to do this with a Netbook, but it didn't survive long. The fact that the screen sits at an angle with the keyboard makes it awkward to keep on a couch or on a living room table. The iPad is perfect, it just fits there and you barely notice it. And it's ready within 2 seconds of picking it up (no standby-resume or booting). And with Push notifications, I can get IM messages even when it's not "turned on" (in the traditional sense), which can't be done with any other device (yes, cell phones do that, but it's awkward to type long IMs from a cell phone keyboard)

- it is my travel DVD player and gaming machine

So yes, it works for me and it's worth every $$ I've spent on it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. But you should at least try it out in a store with a neutral mind, and without anti-Apple prejudice.

Edit: the iPad has USB support (although I personally don't need it) and an optional external keyboard (either wired, with a dock, or via Bluetooth).

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.

If you need more, there's the 32 and 64 GB version. For me, 16 GB were enough (and I'm using about 8 of them). All my stuff is in the cloud, I hardly store anything locally on mobile devices. I'm sure this new way of working will catch on with more and more people pretty soon.

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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sun May 09, 2010 9:15 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 11):
If you need more, there's the 32 and 64 GB version

Of course, but the point is that such a poxy memory costs so darn much!
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Sun May 09, 2010 9:40 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 12):
Of course, but the point is that such a poxy memory costs so darn much!

I agree that the additional memory is not cheap. But it's worth thinking about whether you really need it or not. With what would you fill it up? Music, videos?

I also instinctively thought that I need the maximum size. But then I settled with the smallest one and I'm not even using half of it.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sun May 09, 2010 12:33 pm

Australian prices were listed today for the iPad.

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/tec...date-and-prices-20100507-ujxd.html

Sweet ! Can't wait to pick one up ASAP. Think I'll go for the big baby (Wi-Fi 64gb 3g Model) $1049.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sun May 09, 2010 3:29 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 10):
or probably most things Apple I would venture to say

You would be wrong. I own two MacBooks and am on my second iPod. I just think the iPad is a stupid device and really over priced for what you get.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 13):
With what would you fill it up? Music, videos?

Considering I have 11 gigs of music alone, the 16 gig iPad would be nowhere near large enough for me.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sun May 09, 2010 4:14 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Sad thing is there are Lemmings crazy enough to buy them

The people who buy the iPad will be the ones who understand how it fits into their lives. As the scope of apps expands for the iPad then you'll see even greater growth of the products.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 6):
Don't forget the *whopping* 16Gb memory.

Considering that my first computer came with 16K the 16 Gb is a pretty good upgrade.  
Quoting cadet57 (Reply 15):
I just think the iPad is a stupid device and really over priced for what you get.

Then you probably don't understand what Apple has done with the iPad - and you'll be happier waiting for HP to deliver their version. Again.
 
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Sun May 09, 2010 4:20 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
and you'll be happier waiting for HP to deliver their version.

Not really. I have zero use for a tablet. Why should I spend money on a novelty device that does nothing new that I can't already do?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
16 Gb is a pretty good upgrade.  

My cellphone has 1 gig less than an iPad. Some upgrade....
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sun May 09, 2010 4:34 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 5):
Magical? You have to be kidding me

From personal experience YES IS MAGICAL BECAUSE:

It made me stay up to 2 am everyday I had It, after working all day in computers!

It could make more than 50 people enter my store just to see it and touch it.

Made my kids fight over who could use it, when they seldom argue.

Made my wife watch photos a long time (and she has all of them on the MacBook)

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
Considering that my first computer came with 16K the 16 Gb is a pretty good upgrade.  

I had a 16 K Apple IIplus. and I upgraded to 48K and then to 64K...those were the days.

I have seen tons of Ipads in Mexico, and most people are using them for real state selling, used car selling, and similar stuff, Big stores are taking orders for July launch and I bet Apple has another home run in its hands, we have a 16% VAT and import tax, so I guess its not going to be cheap. ( I sold mine for 850 ) so you can bet most people think its really magical.

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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Sun May 09, 2010 4:43 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 17):
Not really. I have zero use for a tablet. Why should I spend money on a novelty device that does nothing new that I can't already do?

That you think you have no use for it (which might still be up for a real-world test) does not automatically mean that it is a useless, overhyped product.

This is a mistake that is made by many people who think of themselves as experts. In the real world different people have different priorities and preferences. And if someone has other priorities and preferences than I do, that doesn't make that person "stupid" or "brainwashed" as some people believe.

It is just a sign of my own priorities and preferences not being universal – and realizing the validity of all the different needs people have is one of the most important capabilities for a successful manufacturer. Apple has been consistently inventive and even audacious with their product development decisions.

The confusion, derision and even hostility from some quarters is a sure sign of them doing things right. Apple has met pretty much the same reaction before, and in almost every case they turned out to be right.
 
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Sun May 09, 2010 9:26 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
That you think you have no use for it (which might still be up for a real-world test) does not automatically mean that it is a useless, overhyped product.

No it doesn't Klaus, but Steve Jobs is the one who proclaimed 'It's way better than a laptop, it's way better than a smartphone'. Neither of which is remotely accurate. It is far less capable than a laptop and as it lacks the ability to make a phone call what smartphone am I comparing it to?

Watching people scrabbling for niche circumstances where this highly priced, poorly specced piece of technology justifies its purchase as opposed to buying one of the many tablet PC's that have on the market for years which would have solved the many problems people seemingly face with standard design laptops (like Manu's netbooks falling off his sofa) just leaves me puzzled.

I'm very happy my iPhone and am saving for the iMac. I'll leave this excercise in brand idolisation to others.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 11:20 am

Correction:

iPad - Apple Store (Deutschland)

The german prices:

16GB WiFi: €499,–
32GB WiFi: €599,–
64GB WiFi: €714,–

16GB WiFi+3G: €599,–
32GB WiFi+3G: €699,–
64GB WiFi+3G: €814,–

(Including 19% VAT, mandatory 1+1 year warranty and about €15,– GEMA copyright fee only for devices with >40GB storage)

3G access is offered via Vodafone and O2, not via T-Mobile this time. This could be a hint that T-Mobile exclusivity is coming to an end for the iPhone as well this year.
 
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 11:27 am

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
No it doesn't Klaus, but Steve Jobs is the one who proclaimed 'It's way better than a laptop, it's way better than a smartphone'. Neither of which is remotely accurate.

That is his claim to make – and apparently over a million paying customers seem to agree with him already.

And where was he denigrating anybody not agreeing with him? That was my whole point above.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
It is far less capable than a laptop and as it lacks the ability to make a phone call what smartphone am I comparing it to?

It is a new kind of device. Which automatically means that it is not the same thing as any of the existing platforms.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 20):
Watching people scrabbling for niche circumstances where this highly priced, poorly specced piece of technology justifies its purchase as opposed to buying one of the many tablet PC's that have on the market for years which would have solved the many problems people seemingly face with standard design laptops (like Manu's netbooks falling off his sofa) just leaves me puzzled.

Again: That you don't see a use for it (yet?) does not automatically make it a poor product.

Remember the ridicule Apple received when they presented the original Macintosh? "A 'mouse'? Who needs a toy like that?"

What's that next to your keyboard now?
 
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Mon May 10, 2010 4:23 pm

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
So yes, £429 / €499 for the 16 GB WiFi model is the official price. Consider that it includes VAT - the US $499 price doesn't include sales tax. Not too bad after all.

Apple has been better than most in recent years in keeping their prices closer to par in every country they sell in. Not perfect, but not the wide disparity seen in other tech pricing.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 4:49 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
That is his claim to make – and apparently over a million paying customers seem to agree with him already

Do you know how many people bought Milli Vanilli records   Quantity does not equal quality.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Again: That you don't see a use for it (yet?) does not automatically make it a poor product.

I have not said it is a poor product Klaus. I have stated here and the other thread that it is vastly overpriced for the poor technical specification it offers, even bearing in mind that Apple will launch Mk.2 with the camera it should already have installed very soon to shaft the launch customer.

And you are correct Klaus, I don't see a use for it. But what puzzled me was how many people suddenly realised they have major user issues with what they currently own and its taken Apple to show them the error of their ways.

I'll bet you a Warsteiner they wouldn't have noticed any problems if it was called Arcos.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):

It is a new kind of device.

It's an oversized PDA with a slick operating system. It even has some ridiculous design flaws which is unusual for Apple. Lets not kid ourselves that something which surfs the web and plays movies is a ground breaking piece of tech because its wrapped in a nice coat.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
What's that next to your keyboard now?

Strangely, during the course of posting this my microsoft mouse has just stopped responding.

I suspect it was you Klaus, with your Apple inspired deviousness  
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Mon May 10, 2010 4:56 pm

I'm sure the iPad has sold just fine, but I have strangely only seen one in use.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):

Do you know how many people bought Milli Vanilli records Quantity does not equal quality.

Hey, the second record was ok  
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Mon May 10, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 25):
Hey, the second record was ok

But I never got paid for my lead vocal work on that second track 
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Mon May 10, 2010 7:22 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
That is his claim to make – and apparently over a million paying customers seem to agree with him already.

I'm pretty sure most of them (and Jobs also) already own a smartphone and a laptop, and still use them.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 8:00 pm

Why is it more expensive in Europe? I fail to understand this, its still the same thing and it does the same job.

In Argentina its even worse, electronics are usually double the price like a macbook pro is $1100 over there its 2,200

I was absolutely disgusted when I found out the price for the PS3. Here its $300 and in Argentina $880.

When I asked why to the clerks at stores they simply said it was the import taxes. How is an import tax double the cost?
 
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Mon May 10, 2010 9:01 pm

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 28):
Why is it more expensive in Europe? I fail to understand this, its still the same thing and it does the same job.

It isn't, really.

US prices are always indicated without tax.

German prices are always indicated including all fees and taxes.

64GB iPad 3G:
$829.00 US price (always without tax)
$829.00 / (1.28$/€) = €647.66 converted net price
€647.66 * 1.19 = €770.71 including 19% german VAT
€770.71 + €15 = €785.71 including GEMA copyright fee

The remaining difference to the official german price of the same model at €814.00 is €28.29 or a nominal increase of about 3.6%.

These €28.29 have to cover (among other things):
– much longer mandatory warranty at 2 years vs. 90 days in the US
– mandatory 14-day return option for online purchases
– more expensive shipping, handling and support
– currency fluctuations

I don't think we're being shortchanged there.
 
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
Do you know how many people bought Milli Vanilli records Quantity does not equal quality.

No. But quantity is a reasonable indication that a product is in fact well received.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
I have not said it is a poor product Klaus. I have stated here and the other thread that it is vastly overpriced for the poor technical specification it offers, even bearing in mind that Apple will launch Mk.2 with the camera it should already have installed very soon to shaft the launch customer.

That kind of speculation is not based on any fact – it is pure wishful thinking.

It is all but certain that Apple will stick to an annual upgrade cycle with the iPad as with the other mobile offerings, so it is extremely unlikely that they'll shove in an intermediate upgrade just for kicks.

The oft-lamented exclusion of a front-facing camera is most likely a deliberate decision and not a mistake. I for my part don't miss it in my iPhone and I won't miss it in my iPad. I rarely use it even in my iMac.

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
And you are correct Klaus, I don't see a use for it. But what puzzled me was how many people suddenly realised they have major user issues with what they currently own and its taken Apple to show them the error of their ways.
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Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
I'll bet you a Warsteiner they wouldn't have noticed any problems if it was called Arcos.

The utterly dismal performance of other tablet offerings in the market begs to differ there. And you can relax – I'm not a fan of Warsteiner.
 
Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):

It is a new kind of device.

It's an oversized PDA with a slick operating system. It even has some ridiculous design flaws which is unusual for Apple. Lets not kid ourselves that something which surfs the web and plays movies is a ground breaking piece of tech because its wrapped in a nice coat.

People who have actually used it for a meaningful amount of time seem to see that differently.

You are just as wrong here as people who mistook the iPhone for "just another freaking phone".

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
What's that next to your keyboard now?

Strangely, during the course of posting this my microsoft mouse has just stopped responding.

I suspect it was you Klaus, with your Apple inspired deviousness

I'm entirely innocent. It was probably just embarrassed for its manufacturer's history.   

Quoting Aesma (Reply 27):
I'm pretty sure most of them (and Jobs also) already own a smartphone and a laptop, and still use them.

Jobs' point was not that smartphones or notebooks were useless – his point was that contrary to the half-baked netbook format, the iPad is actually better at some key things than each of these two, while netbooks are just cheaper while being worse than both at almost everything.

It is perfectly possible and valid to disagree with him on that, but from the chill the iPad seems to have cast on netbook sales and from iPad sales themselves it seems he's not the only one seeing things that way.
 
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 10:10 pm

Related to the cost of components and development, but also kind of fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za8V2IiGCfY
YouTube - iPad supports 11 simultaneous touches

Things that happen when you do things properly from the start.
 
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Mon May 10, 2010 10:30 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
That kind of speculation is not based on any fact – it is pure wishful thinking.

They are actually asking £429 for a 16Gb PDA which surfs the web and does nothing that isn't currently available. That is horrendously overpriced in this day and age of cheap computing power. What is inaccurate or speculative about that?

Resorting to the rather lazy 'you don't get it because you haven't thought of a use for it' really doesn't cut it.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
It is all but certain that Apple will stick to an annual upgrade cycle with the iPad as with the other mobile offerings

I just love the way you refer to the inclusion of a camera as an upgrade cycle, when everybody else just installs them as a matter of course.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
The utterly dismal performance of other tablet offerings in the market begs to differ there. And you can relax – I'm not a fan of Warsteiner

Have you just taken the fifth. You appear to be answering some question, just not the one I asked  
Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
People who have actually used it for a meaningful amount of time seem to see that differently.

People who use the iPad for any meaningful amount of time complain of sore wrists and hand cramps and it wobbles about when typing on flat surfaces   

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
You are just as wrong here as people who mistook the iPhone for "just another freaking phone"

  I've already told you I have an iPhone and am saving for an iMac so you can't lay Apple hater on me my friend.
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Tue May 11, 2010 12:34 am

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 24):
Do you know how many people bought Milli Vanilli records   Quantity does not equal quality.

mmmm, does that includes Microsoft products?

Here in Mexico we will pay 5% for import taxes and 16% VAT. plus a very expensive 3g rent... anyways it seems that as always people are buying the Ipad on the USA and bringing it here, I have seen tons of them everywhere.
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Tue May 11, 2010 12:50 am

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 33):
mmmm, does that includes Microsoft products?

mmmmm, it includes everything you care to name.
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Tue May 11, 2010 5:06 am

I dont get it, so If something is widely popular or has a lot of quantity, it has to be low quality?

Then how it becomes popular in the first place?

Milli Vanilli fiasco aside, I think selling a million gadgets in 40 days is a tremendous feat, no amount of spin, cajole, magic, or fandom would make ANYONE sell that much product in that time if the product was flawed in some basic or fundamental way. Yes the Ipad will get better in time just like the iphone, and if it becomes popular and has a huge quantity, it does not mean it has low quality.

For example today I recieved the first Macbook Pro 17 inch for warranty repairs since the model came out, its a pricey machine but it has a very high quality, it has been on the market for over as year and I have never had one in for repairs.
Macbook Pros are wildly popular yet very well made...
In Mexico Apple products are quite expensive but people buy them anyway, the ipad is no exception and with the July launch some distribuitors are talking orders since last week!

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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Tue May 11, 2010 8:45 am

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 35):
I dont get it, so If something is widely popular or has a lot of quantity, it has to be low quality?

The point you seem to be missing is that blithely stating that something which has proven successful in the sales department is an indication of its brilliance as a product has been proven time and again to be false. Whether its computing, music, film, automobiles etc.

You may have also noted that I have never stated that the iPad is of low quality. It appears to be a well put together bit of kit. I have consistently stated that for its technical specification it is grossly overpriced which no-one has so far disputed.

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 35):
and if it becomes popular and has a huge quantity, it does not mean it has low quality.

Once again, just so we are clear. I never said it was low quality.
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Tue May 11, 2010 12:38 pm

Ok, fair enough, then how can you explain a product that becomes popular and successful if its not brilliant in any way?
The telephone, the car, airplanes and tons of inventions have gone that route, yes we NOW have examples of bad products that because they are made by a powerful company they are popular and they are crappy (Ford anyone?), the Ipad on the other hand its a new product (or a evolved product on a previous concept if you like) and so far people seem to like it, pricey and all, so isn't it possible for something to be brilliant and popular?

Just asking.
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Tue May 11, 2010 2:15 pm

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 37):
Ok, fair enough, then how can you explain a product that becomes popular and successful if its not brilliant in any way?

Well if the iPad actually had something which could come close to being described as brilliant design or innovation you may have a point. I don't see anything worthy of that tag on a piece of technology which carries out rather mundane and ordinary tasks (not all at the same time it should be noted   ) and charges a high premium for its run of the mill capabilities and poor technical specifications. However, the determination of brilliance (especially in a consumer product) is much like beauty, it sits with the individual.

I am very interested to hear what you considered so brilliant or unique about the iPad as a piece of technology that made you sit up and decide to purchase one? What capability that it possessed won you over? Did substance really trump style?

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 37):
yes we NOW have examples of bad products that because they are made by a powerful company they are popular and they are crappy

I hope I have made it clear that I am not an Apple basher because you have just summed up my feelings towards the ipad. This is IMHO Apple's worst product.

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 37):
and so far people seem to like it, pricey and all, so isn't it possible for something to be brilliant and popular?

Of course its possible. Never said otherwise. But how big do you think the iPad market is going to be?
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Tue May 11, 2010 4:20 pm

Apple is too good at marketing (and brainwashing) to make any meaningful comparison.

I don't think the iPad is a piece of crap, I think it's OK, however I'm sure a lot of people buy it without an use for it, skewing the stats.
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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Tue May 11, 2010 9:02 pm

Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 38):
I hope I have made it clear that I am not an Apple basher because you have just summed up my feelings towards the ipad. This is IMHO Apple's worst product.

Not at all, in fact I concur with your views and to answer your questions let me tell you what I think about the Ipad.

In some ways is not a "new" product, basically is a faster and Bigger Ipod Touch with 3G capability.

I wanted a camera, the ability to have multiple accounts and multiple sync with itunes and also the built in teleconferencing that is possible with the Mac.

In that regard in my view the Ipad is an incomplete product, but Apple always makes incremental changes so you end up buying 2 or 3 versions of their products.

Some products are very good but they lack some feature and that makes them of limited use, the Ipod and Iphone are way too small to use them for real Email and some tasks that need a big text and work area, just like the original Mac that had a punny 512 by 341 pixel screen, that is why the large screen market for the original mac was so huge, the Ipad if they release interesting AND VERTICAL apps for it will be a home run because it will make some tasks very easy, not because it makes something different or new.

I am waiting for version 2.0.

and yes I can see Mr. Jobs Reality Distortion Field is alive and Kicking in the XXI century.

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RE: Cost Of IPad In The UK

Thu May 13, 2010 6:12 am

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 40):
In that regard in my view the Ipad is an incomplete product, but Apple always makes incremental changes so you end up buying 2 or 3 versions of their products.

Very true Baron. I'd love to see what the iPad looks like in a year or two or even longer.

Any speculation on that anyone?

BTW, I just ordered my first Apple laptop, a Mac Book Pro and I'm looking forward to learning a new way of doing things!
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