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Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 2:22 am

Breaking alert on iPhone from MSNBC

Don't know much about her; does anyone? Will GOP oppose her? All relevant thoughts welcome!

Glad another women will join Sotomayor and Ginsburg; definitely a good thing.   

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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 2:44 am

I saw it breaking live on CNN. At the moment the GOP dosent have much on her but im sure they are already scrambling to see what they can find.
 
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 3:22 am

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 1):

If she was in the pool of nominees Obama and Biden have chatted with in the past (she was) you can bet the farm the opposing party(s) have reason to cause problems during confirmation hearings. Paging Bork. John Tyler had the most nominations (4) denied by Congress during his presidency.
 
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 3:56 am

Pleasant surprise, from what little I've read about her. She's left of center, but no nutcase, and has a good relationship with conservatives.

The New York Times did this piece on her last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/us/17kagan.html?_r=1

It seems they think liberals might be the ones to cause the most fuss.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 2:38 pm

My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge.

My second reaction this smells of the Harriot Myers nomination of Bush.

I will have to wait and see what comes up before I decide if this is a good choice.

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Mon May 10, 2010 3:36 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 6):
My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge

Actually you don't even need a Law degree......
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 4:35 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge.

Looking at the resumes of the current membership of the Supreme Court and only a few of them have had extensive time on a Federal or state appellate court before their nomination. Chief Justice Roberts only served 3 years in the DC appellate court prior to his nomination (ironically a seat that Kagan was originally nominated for but was never given a confirmation hearing by then Senate Judicial Committee Chair Hatch.).

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
My second reaction this smells of the Harriot Myers nomination of Bush.

Good thing it is a knee jerk reaction b/c the differences between Myers and Kagan are huge. Myers may have been a halfway decent lawyer but she certainly wasn't Supreme Court material. You have someone that clerked for Justice Marshall, was a law professor at Harvard, associate White House Counsel under President Clinton, and now currently Solicitor General. She certainly has the educational pedigreed as well (Princeton, Oxford and Harvard).
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 5:02 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Will GOP oppose her?

Of course they will, but she will get confirmed.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):

Don't know much about her; does anyone?

Strong track record as both an academic and a government lawyer. Extremely smart and hard working.

Quoting okie (Reply 4):

My second reaction this smells of the Harriot Myers nomination of Bush.

Not even close. Myers was scarily under-qualified for the job.

Quoting okie (Reply 4):
My first knee jerk reaction is how do you choose a nominee for the Supreme Court that has never been a judge.

Why give a perfunctory circuit seat to someone when it makes sense to nominate them right away? Anyone who is made Solicitor General is likely as experienced with Supreme Court jurisprudence as the justices themselves.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 6):
Chief Justice Roberts only served 3 years in the DC appellate court prior to his nomination

And before that, he was a typical Big Law drone at Hogan and Hartson.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 6):
was a law professor at Harvard

Dean, in fact.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 5:15 pm

I believe that Kagan will be an excellent Judge on the Supreme Court. She certainly has the intellectual capacity to overshadow most men on the Court!

The interesting factor will be the response by the Tea Party. They have clearly shown that a Republican voting the "wrong way" can be a killer for a career. Will the Tea Party work to keep Kagan off the Bench? Will they punish Senators that don't fight to keep her off? Will Senator Hatch fight again to keep her from having a hearing?

At least that part of Ms. nomination process will be interesting. Actually the entire process will be interesting.
 
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Mon May 10, 2010 5:29 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 8):
The interesting factor will be the response by the Tea Party. They have clearly shown that a Republican voting the "wrong way" can be a killer for a career. Will the Tea Party work to keep Kagan off the Bench? Will they punish Senators that don't fight to keep her off? Will Senator Hatch fight again to keep her from having a hearing?

I see Kagan as a less controversial nominee than Sotomayor -- which makes me think that this will be a relatively easy confirmation process.
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Mon May 10, 2010 5:36 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 10):
I see Kagan as a less controversial nominee than Sotomayor

Remember though that the controversy really doesn't heat up until the candidate's records are really dug through and the opposition finds the "controversial" material. Will Kagan have her own "wise Latina" quote? Who know, but I've already seen one piece about her Princeton thesis that was sympathetic to socialism, so I'm sure we'll see more of the same. She has spent a long time in academia, so she must has a good deal of writing attributed to her.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 5:41 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 11):
ho know, but I've already seen one piece about her Princeton thesis that was sympathetic to socialism, so I'm sure we'll see more of the same.

If Bob McDonnell was able to pass off his 1989 M.P.P. thesis from 1989 as something from his past he no longer fully believes in, then Kagan should be able to easily brush off an undergraduate thesis from nearly 30 years ago when she was barely old enough to drink.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 5:48 pm

Quoting desertjets (Reply 12):

If Bob McDonnell was able to pass off his 1989 M.P.P. thesis from 1989 as something from his past he no longer fully believes in, then Kagan should be able to easily brush off an undergraduate thesis from nearly 30 years ago when she was barely old enough to drink.

She's still going to pass, but it's certainly something that's going to be brought up and made a circus of in the press.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 6:17 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Will GOP oppose her?

Yes. That's US politics...the Dems will fight someone a Conservative president nominates, and the Repubs will fight someone a Liberal president nominates. That's the state of US politics, and the politics of many places around the world.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 10):

I see Kagan as a less controversial nominee than Sotomayor -- which makes me think that this will be a relatively easy confirmation process.

I agree


The solicitor general is already known in Washington and by Congress...she's already an established part of the government. She has already been confirmed to a position by Congress once...she can do it again.
 
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Mon May 10, 2010 11:22 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 11):
Remember though that the controversy really doesn't heat up until the candidate's records are really dug through and the opposition finds the "controversial" material



From what I have been reading throughout the day, she doesn't have much of a paper trail. Not being a federal court judge helps that a lot, and apparently a lot of her writings are not ideological. One of the sites I like to visit, SCOTUSblog.com, seems to think that the process will be easier from the standpoint that she was already confirmed once to be the Solicitor General (with Bi-Partisian support) so she shouldn't have too much of an issue getting through Confirmation again.

What I will be most interested in, is if she is confirmed, how many cases will she recuse herself from next term as a result of her time as the S.G.
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Wed May 12, 2010 4:20 am

Quoting desertjets (Reply 28):
Justice Alito

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J.D. Yale Law School

Chief Justice Roberts

A.B. Harvard College
J.D. Harvard Law School

Justice Scalia

B.A. Georgetown University
J.D. Harvard Law School

That's all well and good, but when anyone on the "left" is shown to have any kind of degree from Ivy League schools, they are an elitist. Why are these terms used only to fit the right-wing/tea people's arguments?
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Wed May 12, 2010 2:51 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 18):
It's the liberals that take a "living document" view of the Constitution, not interpreting it as written.

Wrong. This is conservative diatribe that they've managed to convince people as true. BOTH parties want a living constitution, as in, both parties want to interpret the constitution to encompass their idea of right and wrong. The only difference is that conservatives are better at lying about it. They will say they want strict construction, but then they won't actually apply strict construction.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 24):
The administration is essentially top to bottom far left operators.... serious students of leftist ideology.

The only people that would make that absurd allegation are people who have not ever studied leftist ideology.
 
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Wed May 12, 2010 4:22 pm

Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.
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Wed May 12, 2010 5:08 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 27):
Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.

I don't understand why that bothers people so much. These are two of the best law schools in the nation. The pinnacle. Don't we want our top judges to come from pinnacle schools?
 
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Wed May 12, 2010 6:00 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 27):
Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.

Almost as interesting as 6 men and 3 women.  
 
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Wed May 12, 2010 7:21 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 29):
I don't understand why that bothers people so much. These are two of the best law schools in the nation. The pinnacle. Don't we want our top judges to come from pinnacle schools?

It doesn't bother me either. The legal profession is heavily based upon reputation and it is heavily based upon where you went. If you want a job as a law professor, a prestigious clerkship, and/or a future seat on the bench (appellate level) you need to be coming out of a top 20 or top 10 ranked law school.... no ifs ands or buts. I doubt any of Kagan's Harvard Law classmates are working for Jacoby & Meyers.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Wed May 12, 2010 7:56 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 27):
Something interesting to consider... When Kagan is confirmed, the court will consist of 6 graduates of Harvard Law School and 3 graduates of Yale Law School.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 30):
Almost as interesting as 6 men and 3 women.

And while we are on interesting 6-3 statistics, there will be 6 Catholics and 3 Jews (Stevens was the last protestant on the court!)
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Wed May 12, 2010 8:10 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 32):
Doesn't bother me in the slightest, but there are a lot more than two top-notch law schools in the US. It's just a bit weird that all 9 would come from the same two schools.

Yes, but those two are the places that you would most likely find the best of the best.

For what it's worth, I didn't go to either. I went to a school that competes with them, though most people with the choice of Harvard and Yale go there.

I guess what I'm saying is that I just don't find it a big whoop. My school has produced SCOTUS justices too, just not any right now. We've got plenty of other federal judges, so I just dont see the big deal.
 
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Thu May 13, 2010 3:46 am

I find it comical she worked for Goldman Sachs. The timing couldn't be more radioactive to her confirmation hearing(s). http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504365_162-20004522-504365.html
 
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Thu May 13, 2010 4:04 pm

Fellows , I apologize for taking the thread off track ... by going on with my definition of communism. I do not believe Kagan is a communist ... if you look back you will see I said .."for all we know".

I believe she is a leftist ... but that is perfectly within her rights . And the President is completely justified in nominating her... I have no issue with it other than a ideological disagreement.

As far as Harry Reid goes ... well I just dislike the man .... allot ,,and would not walk down the same sidewalk he is on...
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Fri May 14, 2010 12:03 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
They will say they want strict construction, but then they won't actually apply strict construction.

They come up with BS terms like "originalism."

The idea of strict construction actually lends itself well to a living constitution. After all, "Congress shall make no law means Congress shall make no law..."

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):

The only people that would make that absurd allegation are people who have not ever studied leftist ideology.

Precisely.

Quoting desertjets (Reply 20):
I doubt any of Kagan's Harvard Law classmates are working for Jacoby & Meyers.

I get your point, but Jacoby & Meyers isn't what you think it is. There is actually a law firm called Jacoby & Meyers, but the vast majority of the lawyers who they use are part of a referral network. I'm betting some of them went to Ivy League law schools.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Fri May 14, 2010 6:26 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
The only people that would make that absurd allegation are people who have not ever studied leftist ideology.

     

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
I don't understand why that bothers people so much. These are two of the best law schools in the nation. The pinnacle. Don't we want our top judges to come from pinnacle schools?

Shame on you DLX for not understanding that these schools are the pinnacle...of liberalism and elitism...   And therein lies the reason why some people are bothered by the fact that our Supreme Court justices have graduated from these schools.

Quoting D L X (Reply 16):
Wrong. This is conservative diatribe that they've managed to convince people as true. BOTH parties want a living constitution, as in, both parties want to interpret the constitution to encompass their idea of right and wrong. The only difference is that conservatives are better at lying about it. They will say they want strict construction, but then they won't actually apply strict construction.

Exactly. This is one of the MANY myths/lies about the left being peddled by the right. My opinion is that the left is not doing nearly enough to address these lies and fight back. As you said, the right has been able to convince an awful lot of people of the truthfulness of these lies. The left needs to fight back, and it needs to be done now.
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Fri May 14, 2010 7:03 am

Shes a joke. This president and his nominees are a complete joke as well.

How can you nominate someone to the SC that does not understand the United States constitution.

According to her we are a constitutional democracy.

"During the last year, as I have served as solicitor general, my long-standing appreciation for the Supreme Court's role in our constitutional democracy has become ever deeper and richer."

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010...bama_nominates_elena_kagan_fo.html
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Fri May 14, 2010 7:34 am

Quoting flanker (Reply 27):
Shes a joke. This president and his nominees are a complete joke as well.

Based upon what?

Quoting flanker (Reply 27):
How can you nominate someone to the SC that does not understand the United States constitution.

Your proof that she does not understand the US Constitution is what? I take it you are a constitutional scholar who has adequately evaluated Ms Kagan's qualifications in order to make such a statement.

Now, are you dead serious, or are you just being facetious? Because the United States is indeed a constitutional democracy.
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Fri May 14, 2010 3:33 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 28):
Because the United States is indeed a constitutional democracy.

No, we're not, the USA is actually a "constitutional republic". But the funny thing is that most "conservatives" are constantly fighting against that and seeking more the democracy/will of the majority aspect. A republic is ruled by representatives that are above "the people" (in our case elected by the people in a process where the representatives are twice removed from the people) and rule in the best interests of the people and as such can be expected to diverge from the popular public opinion (or majority will of "the people") and produce laws and government that the majority may not want but has been determined by their representative to be in the best interest of the people and the country being served.

From good ole' Wikipedia:

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Fri May 14, 2010 5:11 pm

Well considering we have the village idiot as POTUS, never mind the fact that he's beyond left, I'd expect much worse from him. Kagan certainly wouldn't be my choice, but Barry could have done worse.

On a side note, isn't it funny how the media adores everything Obama. The coverage of Kagan's (and every Obama selection, while everyone of Bush's was crap) selection has been so pathetically biased. Don't remember the media hyping up his nomination so much. Something to do with being Conservative...  
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Fri May 14, 2010 5:30 pm

Quoting tugger (Reply 29):
No, we're not, the USA is actually a "constitutional republic".

If you look at Wikipedia under liberal democracy/constitutional democracy, it lists the US as one such example. Regardless, we are indeed a type of constitutional democracy known as a federal republic. And yes you are correct in that constitutional republic is also an apt description.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 30):
Well considering we have the village idiot as POTUS,

Wait a minute! Bush is back in power? Where have I been?

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 30):
never mind the fact that he's beyond left, I'd expect much worse from him.

Or perhaps, just perhaps, this nomination is indicative of the fact that he's really not as "beyond left" as the right makes him out to be.

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Fri May 14, 2010 5:40 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 31):
Wait a minute! Bush is back in power? Where have I been?

   I get a kick out of the people who buy into Obama being some kind of intellectual. He's an idiot that reads a teleprompter, and when it's not on it's like a 7 year old trying to talk particle physics.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 31):
Or perhaps, just perhaps, this nomination is indicative of the fact that he's really not as "beyond left" as the right makes him out to be.

Have you seen any of Obama's other nominations?? Wait a minute! Where have you been?
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Tue May 18, 2010 6:45 am

Oh dear, looks like Andrew Sullivan has a case of Lesbian Panic.

I really can't think of a single reason why Kagan's sexuality should be of any concern. Even when she hears a case regarding Don't Ask/Don't Tell.
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Tue May 18, 2010 8:41 am

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):

Quoting OA412 (Reply 31):
Wait a minute! Bush is back in power? Where have I been?

   I get a kick out of the people who buy into Obama being some kind of intellectual. He's an idiot that reads a teleprompter, and when it's not on it's like a 7 year old trying to talk particle physics.

EA772LR,

You are an incredibly smart guy, but you are getting carried away here. Obama has a B.A. and a J.D. He is obviously well educated - he has as many degrees as the previous President. Obviously, he only reads off of a teleprompter when giving a speech or address, the same as the previous President and his recent predecessors. Now, I did not vote for G.W. Bush, but I think he is a decent man who tried to do the right thing (although we often disagreed on what the right thing is/was). Obama is at least as smart as was G.W. Bush. At least give the man credit for that, or for his education, even if you disagree with everything he has done since taking office!
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Tue May 18, 2010 2:21 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):
I get a kick out of the people who buy into Obama being some kind of intellectual.



She certainly does ! I heard the Audio yesterday of her comments about Barack ,,,, OMG she goes on and on about his intelligence , handsome looks , coolness..... on and on and on. Sounds like the "O thank you god " guy at the FLA campaign stop ! Cool Aid is running out of her ears ..... hilarious .
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Tue May 18, 2010 2:53 pm

Redstate managed to put up her thesis, but Princeton had them pull it down off the internet, claiming copyright.

However there are some extracts here:

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...a-kagans-thesis-in-90-seconds.html

A few quotes from her thesis:

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In our own times, a coherent socialist movement is nowhere to be found in the United States. Americans are more likely to speak of a golden past than of a golden future, of capitalism's glories than of socialism's greatness... Why, in a society by no means perfect, has a radical party never attained the status of a major political force?

...[America's] societal traits... a relatively fluid class structure, an economy which allowed at least some workers to enjoy [prosperity]... prevented the early twentieth century socialists from attracting an immediate mass following. Such conditions did not, however, completely checkmate American socialism...

...Through its own internal feuding, then, the SP exhausted itself forever and further reduced labor radicalism... to the position of marginality and insignificance from which it has never recovered. The story is a sad but also a chastening one for those who, more than half a century after socialism's decline, still wish to change America.

...if the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope

It is apparent that she considers herself to be a socialist, that she was sad about the Socialists failure (back when she was in college) because of poor strategy, but agrees with their goals.

Meanwhile Obama wants the Senate to confirm her "as quickly as possible". He didn't seem to think that was a good idea the last time we had a candidate with little judicial experience.

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Tue May 18, 2010 3:15 pm

Not one to sit on the sidelines, Pat Buchanan is sounding the alarm about the possibility of, in his view, a Jew-heavy supreme Court:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=153417
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Tue May 18, 2010 3:53 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):
It is apparent that she considers herself to be a socialist, that she was sad about the Socialists failure (back when she was in college) because of poor strategy, but agrees with their goals.

It's clear in the PAST TENSE. It was also clear that G.W Bush was an alcoholic and a party boy in his younger days, and that Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat in his younger years. The question is how are these people TODAY?

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Tue May 18, 2010 3:57 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 19):
Almost as interesting as 6 men and 3 women.

All Catholic or Jewish, as well. No Protestants on the USSC any more.
 
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 6:00 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 36):
It is apparent that she considers herself to be a socialist,



How old fashioned Dreadnought ..... you say that like its a bad thing . Come on man ...get on the Change Train !  

The charade that is being played by this administration is just unbelievable .... I am fully convinced now that they are just smarter than we are . They pack the government with revolutionary leftists ... and just look you right in the face and tell you its not true. SEIU / American Progress / ACORN and its tentacles ... all of them leftist operations on hyper drive with billions of tax payers dollars flowing into them.... and a simple 2 bit magic act hides the intent.

Its amazing ... Kagen actually argued in front of the SC that the government has the right to ban books and other political speech ... she actually said that it would be appropriate. The left-wing voters just don't see the open end game ,they just cant grasp that the left would ever go that far . Is the kool aid fog that strong that it has them fooled into the idea that left is about freedom and the right is the strangler of our rights?. It is the exact opposite .. and beyond the grasp of most of them. It is incredible .....

The President stood in front of college students last week and told them that the information they read on the net is "dangerous ". Can you imagine if someone on the right ever told students not to go look at political information , or called the opposition dangerous ?? Outrageous ! The left always thinks they know what is best for you .... The President always speaks like he knows best and the lemming students just hook the nose ring on and line up.

The "new " young rebels have been twisted to believe that government is the answer to everything ... they are confused and will enslave themselves as sure as the sun rises. Freedom to them is governemnt control of everything ...
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 6:29 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
Can you imagine if someone on the right ever told students not to go look at political information

The President never said this....you are lying.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
Is the kool aid fog that strong that it has them fooled into the idea that left is about freedom and the right is the strangler of our rights?. It is the exact opposite .. and beyond the grasp of most of them. It is incredible .....

The Right has vehemently opposed gay rights, women's rights and minorities rights, so I don't think they have much ground to stand on either.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
The left always thinks they know what is best for you

So does the Right!

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
The "new " young rebels have been twisted to believe that government is the answer to everything

Hardly. I know lots of people in their 20's and most don't believe the government is the answer to everything.
 
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 6:37 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
They pack the government with revolutionary leftists
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
The left-wing voters just don't see the open end game ,they just cant grasp that the left would ever go that far
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 40):
The President stood in front of college students last week and told them that the information they read on the net is "dangerous ".

So the former dean of Harvard Law is just another collaborator in a Maoist plot to force everyone to carry around a little red book and ultimately bow down to Satanic secular humanism and One World Government.

Reminds me of an intriguing column this Sunday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2010/05/14/AR2010051402450.html

At this rate, the Republicans are straight on their way to becoming the political equivalent of "I'll take Charles Nelson-Reilly for the block."
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 6:52 pm

Quoting santosdumont (Reply 42):
So the former dean of Harvard Law is just another collaborator in a Maoist plot to force everyone to carry around a little red book and ultimately bow down to Satanic secular humanism and One World Government.

If you read her thesis, you would see that she does indeed subscribe to socialism. Your conspiracy theory is your own.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 41):
The President never said this....you are lying.
Quote:
“Meanwhile, you’re coming of age in a 24/7 media environment that bombards us with all kinds of content and exposes us to all kinds of arguments, some of which don’t rank all that high on the truth meter. With iPods and iPads; Xboxes and PlayStations; information becomes a distraction, a diversion, a form of entertainment, rather than a tool of empowerment. All of this is not only putting new pressures on you; it is putting new pressures on our country and on our democracy.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB0Paw-bNSg&feature=player_embedded

What he’s crying about is the fact that he and his buddies haven’t been as successful as hoped in controlling the flow of information, and how we should interpret that information. It's very hard to lie when there are so many forms of media today. How else can he sell us crap like how well the economy is going, or a State actually enforcing laws is a bad thing, or increasing state control over medicine isn’t going to cost us more in the long run, both economically and in the quality of that service.

It was so much better when all we had were the alphabet channels, the NYT’s, and Cronkite to control what the flow of information….right?

[Edited 2010-05-18 12:01:22]
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 7:27 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 43):
If you read her thesis, you would see that she does indeed subscribe to socialism.

And? So did Mitterand and so does the current Spanish prime minister.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 43):
Your conspiracy theory is your own.

Would that it were my own...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 43):
It was so much better when all we had were the alphabet channels, the NYT’s, and Cronkite to control what the flow of information….right?

There was that bygone trait that we once called "civility". Plus, you could actually turn on the TV to Firing Line and watch grounded conservatives like Buckley debate issues rather than degenerate into menstrual delirium as is the case nowadays.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 7:30 pm

Quoting santosdumont (Reply 42):
So the former dean of Harvard Law is just another collaborator in a Maoist plot to force everyone to carry around a little red book and ultimately bow down to Satanic secular humanism and One World Government.



Its not a conspiracy ... its a full blown political movement. Its not little red books and secret meetings .... its a world wide rise of socialism ... lead by the usual suspects . Don't try to paint me in a corner with the old crazy conspiracy point ... it is way past that.

And that is OK .... I am glad they are in the open about it. I would rather have the left open and honest than have GOP operators doing the same thing as RINO's. Truly RINOS are the real danger anyway ... hidden in the folds and supporting leftist ideas .

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 41):
The President never said this....you are lying.



He certainly did ... go read the transcript. He clearly gets the message to the students that the opposition is engaged in a miss information campaign and that they should not believe it . You know that is exactly what he was saying .... and the students are ripe for belief . Sure he deflected the meaning by denigrating his knowledge of all the "gizmo's" a very common tactic when double talking .... its too easy. He got the message to them ... and if they didn't understand it .. I wonder about Hampton's education standards.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 7:43 pm

Quoting cws818 (Reply 34):
Obama is at least as smart as was G.W. Bush.

That's not saying much my friend   GWB wasn't exactly a sharp tool either! The only thing I strongly supported GWB on was his stance on the War on Terror. I'm a Libertarian (if you will) so I'm pretty much not represented by either party.

Quoting cws818 (Reply 34):
even if you disagree with everything he has done since taking office!

I do because I fundamentally disagree with Obama's solutions and his policies. He wants to throw more borrowed money, and increase the size and scope of the Feds, which is exactly what I am against.

Quoting cws818 (Reply 34):
but you are getting carried away here.

I do get carried away...these damn political threads!!!   
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 7:46 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 45):
Its not a conspiracy ... its a full blown political movement. Its not little red books and secret meetings .... its a world wide rise of socialism ... lead by the usual suspects .


Who? Dark-skinned types? "Elite" intellectuals who are actually shape-shifting reptiles? The Jews?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 45):
Don't try to paint me in a corner with the old crazy conspiracy point ... it is way past that.

So it's actually worse? As in "Black Helicopter" worse? I guess it's no coincidence that Limbaugh, Levin, and their ilk are orgiastically suggesting the BP oil spill was a government plot.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 45):
He clearly gets the message to the students that the opposition is engaged in a miss information (sic) campaign and that they should not believe it

Did he even mention the word "opposition"? He was telling the kids to think for themselves, for Pete's sake.
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 8:08 pm

Quoting santosdumont (Reply 44):
There was that bygone trait that we once called "civility". Plus, you could actually turn on the TV to Firing Line and watch grounded conservatives like Buckley debate issues rather than degenerate into menstrual delirium as is the case nowadays.

Well what happened to the media under Clinton and Bush? They licked the ground beneath Clinton's feet, and did everything but piss in GWB's face. The positive coverage under Clinton/Obama vs. Bush isn't even comparable. You can stop your whining (along with Obama).
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RE: Obama To Nominate Kagan To Supreme Court.

Tue May 18, 2010 8:08 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 43):
It was so much better when all we had were the alphabet channels, the NYT’s, and Cronkite to control what the flow of information….right?

Yes and no. Certainly in that era, the information we got was more limited and tightly controlled which was probably a bad thing. However, we also didn't have all the right and left wing kooks making up a new conspiracy theory every week.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 45):
He clearly gets the message to the students that the opposition is engaged in a miss information campaign and that they should not believe it .

That's what you read into it, but it's not what Obama actually said. You are trying to use your interpretation as fact when it clearly it is not. Apparently, you believe that people should believe everything they read on the internet and never question it.

I guess you believe the following:
- George W. Bush caused 9/11
- Bush also started the Iraq War so his friends at Halliburton could get rich
- Obama was born in Kenya
- Obama caused the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico

All of this "news" can be found on the internet and notice the craziness comes from both sides...left and right.

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