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Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 5:47 pm

Given that my mobile contract is up for renewal next month, and I'm due a new phone (I've sold the last 3 free upgrades) I feel like keeping and using my next one. Since I got my current phone (Sony Ericsson K750i) phones have improved hugely, with touch screen, wifi, web browsing, sat nav, apps, and all number of bells and whistles. Question is, which to get? I'm looking at the Iphone 3GS and the HTC Desire in particular, but am open to other suggestions. Have you used either or both of these phones? Which is better?

And, as an aside, what are the best apps to download?

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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 5:54 pm

The fourth-generation iPhones will be out within two months. Can you wait?
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 6:21 pm

Go with the Desire, I have no complaints about the Android operating system. And as a bonus, what I read seems to indicate that the HTC Desire already has Flash support, which may never happen with the iPhone.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 6:24 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 1):
Can you wait?

For what? More hype? More turtlenecks? More typical Apple bs?

Quoting signol (Thread starter):
HTC Desire

Desire by a long shot, thou I would suggest the HTC Incredible (not sure what it's called overseas). Android is hands down so much better than the iPhone. I know quite a few people who have switched TO Android from the iPhone and they love it. OS 2.1 just came out and its cleared up a lot of little bugs and added some new functionality, and 2.2 is coming out in a couple weeks which will add wifi and usb tethering as well as full flash support (cue standard rebuttals from the Apple koolaid crowd) among other things.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 7:18 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 3):
For what? More hype? More turtlenecks? More typical Apple bs?

   YES ABSOLUTELY YOU MUST BOW DOWN TO THE APPLE REGIME!

hehehe

Maybe the new iphone may do the trick.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 7:38 pm

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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 7:57 pm

Depends on what your looking for. I have a 3GS but I swapped phones for a few days last week with a guy who has the HTC Desire.

When it comes to the hardware, there's no doubt that the HTC Desire is a better phone. Faster processor, bigger screen, better screen resolution, better camera etc. If these things matter most to you, go with the Desire. It's a great phone.

So what about the 3GS? Well if you intend using the phone as a music player, it's hard to beat iPod. The iPhone features an inbuilt iPod app and like the iPod touch, it works great. Buying songs from the iTunes store on the iPhone couldn't be easier. If apps are your thing, I'd also say go for the 3GS. The App Store is sleek and has more apps to offer than anywhere else. I personally prefer the look and feel of the iPhone as well.

The new iPhone OS 4 which is being released this summer will be available for the 3GS model and will address many of the issues that people love to moan about such as the lack of multitasking, folders etc.

So the verdict? Wait for the iPhone 4G announcement from Apple. Your decision should then be made a whole lot easier.  

[Edited 2010-05-13 12:59:57]
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 8:18 pm

Nice of you to use an old infographic (which is misleading in the first place), Fly2HMO. I can safely discount any of your statements since you choose to argue with old information.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 8:34 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 7):
I can safely discount any of your statements since you choose to argue with old information.

   Considering the iphone just got picture messaging is nothing to be bragging about. Hell, my $20 flip phone from Audiovx that I bought in 2004 could do half the things the iPhone couldn't when it came out. What's apples excuse?
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 8:37 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 8):
Considering the iphone just got picture messaging is nothing to be bragging about. Hell, my $20 flip phone from Audiovx that I bought in 2004 could do half the things the iPhone couldn't when it came out. What's apples excuse?

I dunno. And I don't give a crap. MMS is a 20th century technology. But if you want to pay the carriers obscene amounts to display pictures or video in text messages, fine by me. Carrier charges for SMS/MMS are crazy. The iPhone (and other devices, to be sure) have been able to attach photos to email for ages.

But some people (including you) were worked up over this regressive feature that hinders, and does not help, communications freedom. I hated MMS when I had Symbian, Windows Mobile, or PalmOS devices. It's something I never missed when the iPhone didn't have it. I have SMS and MMS disabled on my phone.

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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
Carrier charges for SMS/MMS are crazy.

$10 a month for unlimited text and picture messaging. Idk HOW I can afford that! Give me a break

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
The iPhone (and other devices, to be sure) have been able to attach photos to email for ages.

Typical Apple defender. Thats great if you have a smart phone but a lot of people dont yet.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 9):
I have SMS and MMS disabled on my phone.

Because, of corse, you are the majority and the rest of us who use these features are idiots.   
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 9:07 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 10):
Because, of corse, you are the majority and the rest of us who use these features are idiots.

Well you are calling 33 Million people how have iphones stupid....
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Thu May 13, 2010 9:10 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 11):
Well you are calling 33 Million people how have iphones stupid....

No i'm not. Re read what I wrote.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 9:55 pm

        

OP, you'd be better off checking out some tech sites for some impartial reviews of these phones. If you know anyone with an iPhone or a Desire (or any similar HTC device) you could try and get hold of one for a while and check it out for yourself.

If your looking for unbiased, factual reviews, you've come to the wrong place I'm afraid.  
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 10:46 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 5):

You don't have an iPhone 3G, do you?

If you did, you wouldn't have posted that old graphic that is actually wrong. Anyhow, that's in violation of rule 1H of the a.net forum rules.  
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 11:00 pm

Take a good look at both platforms (and possibly others) and above all, actually use them yourself. Feature lists alone tell less than half of the story.

Distrust ideology. Question the immediately obvious.

Try to perform regular tasks, install a few Apps, check out how well the advertised features actually work.

Consider how important specific features are to you.

Consider whether a single platform manufacturer (and therefore concentrated responsibility), after-sale support, reliably available system upgrades and practical App support are major factors for you or not so much.

Don't blindly rely on anyone's recommendations – I have my own preference and I feel I've got good reasons for it. But yours may be different for valid reasons.

This decision is primarily about your own user experience, and that doesn't just consist of what you see at first glance or the length of advertised feature lists.

Both platforms appear rather similar at first glance, but there are numerous substantial differences.

Over(!)simplifying it to an extreme, one could say you've got the choice between a neat and organized park with reliable oversight but also with the strict rules that go with it on the Apple side, or the free range with fewer rules and limitations but also pitfalls and no one really feeling responsible on the Android side.

Most differences follow from these different basic approaches, and this shows through in many places.

Android is quite different from the iPhone platform – not superficially, but substantially.

Neither is inherently and absolutely "better" than the other but you should be aware of what you're getting yourself into on either side of the inequation. Learn to know what suits you – you will enjoy specific advantages but you'll also suffer specific disadvantages either way.

Most knowledgeable people you'll ask or reviewers you'll read or watch have their own personal bias, so in the end you need to get a feeling yourself about what will suit you better.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 11:08 pm

With the new iPhone being released very soon now is not the time to buy anything.

But it is a good time to start looking at the various apps available on the AppStore and at the various competitors.

If you don't have needs that are app oriented then most smart phones will probably do the job. If there are apps that you need (or want) then focus on those areas first - but still check out the other areas.

With the iPhone you'll probably have close to 200,000 apps available. Take out the fart apps and the apps that are focused on specific professions or jobs (like full medical apps) and you still have a lot to focus on.

And don't worry about the BS about "fanbois" - some people can't help themselves.


Actually, if you're close to an Apple Store (or other outlet) check out the iPad when it's available. You might end up preferring a basic mobile + the iPad.  
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 11:13 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
Take a good look at both platforms (and possibly others) and above all, actually use them yourself. Feature lists alone tell less than half of the story.

Klaus, CONGRATULATIONS!

That is by far the BEST post I have seen in Non-Av in a looooooooooong time and by far the best from you ever!

I particularly liked your description of park/free range sitution!

Signol, what he said! And that's from somebody who gave up on Apple back in 1980 and has seen no reason to change his opinion in the thirty years since!

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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Thu May 13, 2010 11:28 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
the free range with fewer rules and limitations but also pitfalls and no one really feeling responsible on the Android side.

I must admit that I haven't found any of these pitfalls yet.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Fri May 14, 2010 1:20 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
I must admit that I haven't found any of these pitfalls yet.

Android, in its current form, is unsuitable for enterprise environments. Oh, sure, you can access your email, but it doesn't include many of the more sophisticated email and calendaring features, such as directories, remote wipe, policies, etc. Also, the fact that the Android Market and third-party app venues have no way of guaranteeing device compatibility is a major liability.

In this sense, it's somewhere between iPhone OS 1.0 and 2.0 as far as feature set.

Despite the mindless assertions that iPhone proponents in this thread are themselves mindless, I have actually tried to implement Android in a corporate environment, and this is what I have discovered.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Fri May 14, 2010 4:34 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
Android, in its current form, is unsuitable for enterprise environments.

Do you own an Android phone? How many times have you used one?

Quoting N328KF (Reply 19):
Also, the fact that the Android Market and third-party app venues have no way of guaranteeing device compatibility is a major liability.

I've yet to have a single app compatibility issue with my phone. And in many instances device specific issues are quickly remedied by the publisher based on the updated versions of app's that are always coming out.
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Fri May 14, 2010 5:13 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 20):
Do you own an Android phone? How many times have you used one?

My firm did a field test that I was involved with using Motorola Droids. Several devices were involved, and I carried around one for months.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 20):
I've yet to have a single app compatibility issue with my phone.

That's nice. We did have issues with many applications, and the response was usually "We can't help you because we don't have your particular device yet."
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 5:52 am

I've always been a Nokia guy...Switched to HTC last year and got the HTC touch Pro2.... It's windows Mobile, by my next phone will be Android for sure.
At the time I was shopping, I was convinced by a friend ( one of those iPhoneers who won't sleep the night until he converts 10 people to the iPhone), I wasn't impressed at all with the hardware or software, specially when it comes to emails and texts which I use a lot... Thus I decided on the HTC Touch Pro2 for so many reasons including the Battery life which came handy since I talk a lot during the day, the physical keyboard is the best to have on any phone for me, not that good with touch screen typing.... After all it's a preference, and I made my choice for what I need and not what the crowd wants me to have.
My friend stilll think that I made the worst decision in my whole life.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 6):
When it comes to the hardware, there's no doubt that the HTC Desire is a better phone. Faster processor, bigger screen, better screen resolution, better camera etc. If these things matter most to you, go with the Desire. It's a great phone.

That seals the deal for me  .

Quoting EI320 (Reply 6):
So what about the 3GS? Well if you intend using the phone as a music player, it's hard to beat iPod. The iPhone features an inbuilt iPod app and like the iPod touch, it works great. Buying songs from the iTunes store on the iPhone couldn't be easier. If apps are your thing, I'd also say go for the 3GS. The App Store is sleek and has more apps to offer than anywhere else. I personally prefer the look and feel of the iPhone as well.

And that's the deal breaker for me  .

Quoting EI320 (Reply 6):
So the verdict? Wait for the iPhone 4G announcement from Apple. Your decision should then be made a whole lot easier.

Toward the Desire I guess 
Quoting cadet57 (Reply 10):
Typical Apple defender.

iPhoneer, wonder how many he has converted!

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 16):
With the iPhone you'll probably have close to 200,000 apps available. Take out the fart apps and the apps that are focused on specific professions or jobs (like full medical apps) and you still have a lot to focus on.

How much time do you guys spend browsing the phone?... If you will be checking those non fart apps, you would need to reach 120 years of age just to get there.

For me, I have never spent a single dolalr on an apple product, and not planning on doing so... I prefer staying with the outcasts of the society and leave the cool crowd alone  
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 9:41 am

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 5):
Fly2HMO From U

Thats a good chart, didnt know the iphone couldnt do some of those things , I hear the HTC desire is very good talking to collegues.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 12:12 pm

Quoting Centre (Reply 22):
Toward the Desire I guess

How could you say such a thing?! Apple products are magical and revolutionary........everyone knows that 
Quoting oa260 (Reply 23):
Thats a good chart, didnt know the iphone couldnt do some of those things

The iPhone in the chart is a 3G model, the 3GS can do most of the things listed.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 1:12 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 24):
The iPhone in the chart is a 3G model, the 3GS can do most of the things listed.

What cant it do on that list?
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 3:18 pm

Quoting cpd (Reply 14):
You don't have an iPhone 3G, do you?

If you did, you wouldn't have posted that old graphic that is actually wrong. Anyhow, that's in violation of rule 1H of the a.net forum rules

Hell no I don't have one. And yes I'm very aware it's a very outdated chart. However, I've had the misfortune of having messed around with several Iphones and those charts just demonstrate the idiocy of Apple.

If you're gonna release a revolutionary new product it better be revolutionary in functionality, not just cute looks and a slightly different way of controlling it, AND it better have at least half the features of the competing products.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 3:53 pm

Quoting oa260 (Reply 25):
What cant it do on that list?

Video calling, changeable memory card, changeable battery, send Vcard via SMS, bluetooth file sharing.

There isn't an FM Radio built into the iPhone but there's excellent radio apps available in the App Store. You can listen to pretty much any radio station you want, including regional radio stations,using the WunderRadio app..(Greek radio is just a touch away... )

Bluetooth functionality is pretty limited when it comes to file sharing but it is possible to send files between two iPhones.

I suspect that iPhone 4G will allow video calling. Won't be too long more before we (officially) find out.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 4:39 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 26):
Hell no I don't have one. And yes I'm very aware it's a very outdated chart. However, I've had the misfortune of having messed around with several Iphones and those charts just demonstrate the idiocy of Apple.

That demonstrates a widespread approach to new concepts: Judging them almost entirely in terms of checking boxes for features one knows from previous products, never actually bothering with what the platform itself actually has to offer.

It is of course doable, but this approach will never actually provide a realistic picture.

Backward compatibility with the severely limited older mobile phones as in MMS or BlueTooth file transfer has its uses in certain situations, but why would I want to send an MMS when it is outrageously expensive, extremely limited and completely unnecessary, since I can use email for free without any of the limitations of MMS? Why would I want to use BlueTooth file transfer when it is extremely slow for today's data sizes compared to WiFi and of little use compared to email or upload to an online repository where it is easily accessible mobile and on any desktop?

Yes, compatibility is relevant if you have lots of daily interaction with older devices; But Apple has instead made a conscious decision to create the iPhone as a highly capable citizen of the internet, to implement only a certain limited set of features but to make these implemented features really easy and reliable to use.

The question is: Do I want to collect the maximum number of theoretical features or do I want as many features as possible provided they actually work well in practice?

In the popular mine-is-bigger-than-yours arguments it is easy to lose track of this little issue – and actually bothering to deal with it after all is what has made the iPhone overturn the entire smartphone market.

You're deluding yourself if you think it's all because of brand image or manipulation or brainwashing – it is simply the concrete product and its practical usability in real life that matters.

I am very much technically inclined and I've dived into depths of technology that would make most civilians' (and many engineers') toenails curl. But I still prefer the iPhone over Android or other platforms which might theoretically give me some additional capabilities right in the system.

Why is that?


• Well, for one, the system itself is less than half of the story when there is a huge amount of special-purpose Apps available which help expand the reach of the system dramatically.

• Second, I don't want to spend much of my time on fiddling with technical details when there is a cleaner, more reliable implementation around where I can do almost everything with less effort, even at the (usually just temporary) expense of a few individual features I might theoretically have there.

• Third, I like stuff that actually and consistently works as expected, with as little effort as possible.

• Fourth, I personally want to have someone owning up to any problems the product may exhibit. Apple's record on that is very good, both on having very few problems in the first place and dealing with them otherwise. I don't want carrier, hardware manufacturer and OS developer blaming each other and nobody really caring or even being able to help.

• Fifth, I very much appreciate reliably getting substantial system upgrades every year – for free in the case of the iPhone. With Android this is a relatively difficult issue, since Google, the hardware vendor and the carrier all have a say, and only when all three align I would get an upgrade. In practice, many Android devices are orphans the minute they leave the factory.

• Sixth, using add-ons like Apps and hardware peripherals from a huge array of choices and having them just work without fuss is another benefit. Android's flexibility is also a major problem here, with many Apps working only on some devices due to the increasing fragmentation of OS versions and device form factors (touch screen / touch screen + mechanical keyboard / phone keypad, also various different display resolutions) and the available hardware peripherals being few and limited to individual models.


There is more; Of course everyone can have different, equally valid priorities. What I warn against, however, is falling for superficial comparisons like the joke above (much of which has since become obsolete even for 3G users due to free system upgrades).

Smartphones are highly complex devices, with the software and particularly the user interface determining most of the user experience you'll have in practice. If their only qualifying distinctions were in the raw feature lists, the iPhone would never have been received with the kind of exhilarated relief we've seen.

Many if not most of the boxes in its feature list had been checked by prior devices as well. But the theoretical features weren't the problem – their practical usability was.

And that is where Android still lags substantially in many cases. Google is not big on usability – their (in)famous beta versions are geared towards generating masses of data to analyze for their paying customers (ad buyers), not towards finely honed usability for the actual users. That has never been a priority for Google, and it shows.

Maybe it's my age or experience, but fiddling with technology for technology's sake no longer has that much of an appeal to me any more. I want stuff that does what I want it to do and do it easily and elegantly. And this kind of tool requires a maniacal perfectionism which Google simply doesn't possess as far as I can tell.

Apple doesn't just possess that (or is possessed by it, as some people see it), they are also obviously motivated to serve the needs of iPhone users above all, not the interests of search engine ad buyers.

Your mileage will certainly vary, but don't underestimate the difficulty of a comparison of the available platforms. The similarities are just skin-deep; The differences are mostly below the immediate surface.
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Sun May 16, 2010 8:14 pm

Quoting EI320 (Reply 27):
Video calling, changeable memory card, changeable battery, send Vcard via SMS, bluetooth file sharing.

Thats alot that it cant do . Maybe HTC is better after all.

Quoting EI320 (Reply 27):
(Greek radio is just a touch away...&nbsp Wink

Certainly NOT an advantage lol..
 
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RE: Iphone Vs. HTC Desire

Mon May 17, 2010 7:27 pm

Battle of the smartphones

Names can become a hostage to fortune but Taiwan’s HTC clearly hopes this will not be the case with the Droid Incredible. While the latest in HTC’s rapidly expanding portfolio of smartphones may not quite qualify as “incredible”, it is perhaps the best Android operating system-based handset to date.

I have been testing the Incredible, which was launched in the US a few weeks ago on the Verizon Wireless network, and comparing it to some of its rivals, including another new HTC smartphone, the HD2 from T-Mobile USA. The Incredible is similar to HTC’s Desire, which was recently launch ed in Europe, while the HD2 is also available in Europe and Asia.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5e52108e-5ec6-11df-af86-00144feab49a.html

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