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What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Sun May 16, 2010 10:43 pm

First some rules, fuel consumption must be in litres per 100km so our European friends don't get left out. CO2 in grams per km. No hybrids as these can be difficult to measure since the engine cuts out and therefore you aren't using any petrols. There is also the argument that diesels emit lots of nitrogen and other random crap but hey, the EU don't seem to care so there we go. In the UK we have the VW Polo Bluemotion emitting 91 CO2's and using 3.5 l per 100km. The Smart Cdi beats it with 88 CO2's and 3.3 l per 100 km but only has two seats making it a motorbike. I may have missed some out so fill me in.
 
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Sun May 16, 2010 11:14 pm

Probably Ford Fiesta Econetic diesel, it's in the low 3-4L/100km range. It has been tested at 3.1L/100km.

Out of the local made large sedans, Holden Commodore 3.0L does 6.4L/100km with 190kW engine (moving a large 5 seat rear drive car).

And in comparison, the BMW 520d (135kW diesel) does a miserly 5.2L/100km.

[Edited 2010-05-16 17:05:04]
 
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Sun May 16, 2010 11:15 pm

Quoting MasterBean (Thread starter):
What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Just FYI, this side of the world we refer to it as "efficiency". When I opened this thread I thought you were referring to cheapest car.

Anyways, outside of idiotic hybrids, the Jetta TDI is up there and will definitely give a Prius a run for its money, and bests it by far in handling, build quality, speed, etc etc
 
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Mon May 17, 2010 9:00 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
this side of the world we refer to it as "efficiency

No we don't, it's always been economy here. I do agree with the idiocy of hybrids though.

Is the original question not a trick question though? Suppose you want to move 4 people and 10 bales of hay. I doubt very much that my truck would not be near the top of economy since I could do that in 1 trip.  
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Mon May 17, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 3):

No we don't, it's always been economy here

Well then, seems like this falls into the soda vs. pop category. I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.
 
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Mon May 17, 2010 9:41 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
Well then, seems like this falls into the soda vs. pop category. I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.

Never heard of how "efficient" a car is. Its always how "economical" a car is.

The most efficient/economical car here has to be'

Quoting cpd (Reply 1):
Probably Ford Fiesta Econetic diesel, it's in the low 3-4L/100km range. It has been tested at 3.1L/100km.

Also the Mini Cooper D is around 3.2L/100km.
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Tue May 18, 2010 1:09 am

I thought we were talking about the cheapest car, too.

I find the word economy misleading because I would put maintenance, insurance, initial cost, etc., in it.
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Tue May 18, 2010 1:22 am

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.

Let me clarify, I've never heard of anybody in the US west coast say it with the "economical" word.
 
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Tue May 18, 2010 2:00 am

When talking about fuel consumption, it is most common to hear someone talk about a car's fuel efficiency, though fuel economy is commonly used as well. That's been my observation anyway.

When one says a vehicle is very economical, they typically are referring to much more than fuel costs but maintenance, insurance, and other general upkeep. Once again, my observation.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Anyways, outside of idiotic hybrids, the Jetta TDI is up there

This is what I've heard as well. I can't recall the figure, but I believe it was far more efficient than the Prius.
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Tue May 18, 2010 1:46 pm

The Jetta gets 36mpg (6.5l/100km) and the Prius 39mpg (6l/100). That's in real testing for the two : http://www.insideline.com/volkswagen...-vs-2009-volkswagen-jetta-tdi.html

Keep in mind diesel fuel has more energy in it, so it adds to the difference, and shows up in CO2 emissions.
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Tue May 18, 2010 2:29 pm

Efficiency = Output energy / Input energy.

So a truck carrying 5 tonnes of payload and getting 10mpg is more efficient than a car carrying 500kg of payload and getting 25mpg, if we assume that both are travelling at the same speed.
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Tue May 18, 2010 7:24 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 10):

So a truck carrying 5 tonnes of payload and getting 10mpg is more efficient than a car carrying 500kg of payload and getting 25mpg, if we assume that both are travelling at the same speed.

And a very powerful car driven grandma-style is more efficient than a wimpy car driven like it was stolen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmxUsGiGp3w

Watch it fully. Gives some great insight.

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Tue May 18, 2010 8:47 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 11):
Watch it fully. Gives some great insight.

Or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN4-KA0VGzs&feature=related
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Tue May 18, 2010 8:56 pm

Quoting MasterBean (Thread starter):
First some rules, fuel consumption must be in litres per 100km so our European friends don't get left out.

Not only your European friends, the vast majority of the world's population uses the metric system. Even the UK has adopted the metric system, and is currently inching their way towards full implementation (yes, pun very much intended thank you very much)...

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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Tue May 18, 2010 10:41 pm

Quoting Doona (Reply 13):

We still use mpg's and buy beer in pints. So what we have discovered from this topic is that the most economical car on sale in the world is the Smart Cdi, and that the most powerful country in the world is about 10 years behind everybody when it comes to buying economical cars. Oh and I'd say that a car that is efficient has a low drag coefficient, but both words sort of mean the same thing.
 
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Wed May 19, 2010 7:24 am

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):

Anyways, outside of idiotic hybrids, the Jetta TDI is up there and will definitely give a Prius a run for its money, and bests it by far in handling, build quality, speed, etc etc

A Jetta TDI gets about 40 MPG freeway. My 2010 Prius in economy mode gets 48-52.

And there is nothing wrong with the build quality of a Prius. It is a very well-built car. Not pretty, but having been in an accident in one, I will tell you that it is very well-built. That's why I went right back and bought another.

Looks, handling, and speed are all fair points.
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Thu May 20, 2010 9:05 am

How about the VW Lupo? Not on sale anymore but gets 33km a liter. There are quite a few of them on the roads here.
 
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Thu May 20, 2010 9:07 am

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Thu May 20, 2010 3:35 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):

And there is nothing wrong with the build quality of a Prius. It is a very well-built car.

Let me rephrase: sure, it may not fall apart and what not, but I can't help but feeling like I'm sitting inside a recycled plastic bottle. Materials quality is just not nearly as good as in the VW.
 
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Fri May 21, 2010 10:29 am

Quoting cpd (Reply 1):
Out of the local made large sedans, Holden Commodore 3.0L does 6.4L/100km with 190kW engine (moving a large 5 seat rear drive car).

Whaich is completely false, there is now way in hell that anyone could drive the Commodore and get 6.4L/100km, I bet more drivers are getting 9-10 if they are lucky.

And in comparison, the BMW 520d (135kW diesel) does a miserly 5.2L/100km.

Again it's a little false, my wifes 318D averaged 5.3L/100km, she is a typical slowish female driver. My boss get 7.2L/100km from his 2009 520D.

The problem with official figures is that they are all compiled on a static test rig, in the real world people just can't get close to them.
 
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Fri May 21, 2010 10:39 am

Thanks to the congestion charge...

 
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Fri May 21, 2010 11:15 am

The wonderful, cheap Monaco Bus system!
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?



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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Fri May 21, 2010 2:31 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Just FYI, this side of the world we refer to it as "efficiency". When I opened this thread I thought you were referring to cheapest car.

I thought it meant cheap car too.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 4):
Well then, seems like this falls into the soda vs. pop category. I've never ever heard anybody in person call a car economical, I've always heard the word efficient being used.

I have heard economy car, but that usualy means economy all the way around; Cheap to buy, cheap to own. A Chevy Volt will be economical on gas, but it will be expensive. A Chevy Aveo is good on gas and it is cheap. The Aveo is a economy car, the Volt will not be.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
I thought we were talking about the cheapest car, too.

I find the word economy misleading because I would put maintenance, insurance, initial cost, etc., in it.

I would say my 84 Chevy truck is very economical. Sure it only gets 12 mpg, but it cost me $400, I have put in about $500 in repair and maintaince on it, $250 of that was new tires and $100 for a radiator, in the four last years. It costs $225 a year to insure it. It gets bad mileage, but the ownership costs are very little compared to a new car. I have a new car too, so I should know.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?

That is a good deal. Around here the bus doesn't go much of anyplace I need to go.

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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Fri May 21, 2010 3:21 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?

That's equivalent to about 5-6 bus rides here within the inner city zones that is! And Denmark is thriving on its green image... what a joke!

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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Fri May 21, 2010 7:35 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
The wonderful, cheap Monaco Bus system!
Unlimited rides for 15 Euros a month. Who can beat that?

Every time there is an event in town, a convention or other, the whole network goes free for all.

Monaco is so big you can go end to end in like a 15 minutes walk, can't you ? 
Quoting falstaff (Reply 22):
I would say my 84 Chevy truck is very economical. Sure it only gets 12 mpg, but it cost me $400, I have put in about $500 in repair and maintaince on it, $250 of that was new tires and $100 for a radiator, in the four last years. It costs $225 a year to insure it. It gets bad mileage, but the ownership costs are very little compared to a new car. I have a new car too, so I should know.

If you don't drive it much it's OK, but at more than 1,5€ per liter of gasoline, economical just doesn't go well with 20l/100km.
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Fri May 21, 2010 7:54 pm

Quoting falstaff (Reply 22):
The Aveo is a economy car, the Volt will not be.

That's terminology I see used the most by rental companies

The "economy" car, as they call it, is a politically correct way of saying "this is the crappiest, slowest, worst handling, most uncomfortable, most cheaply built, ugliest, and all-around biggest steaming pile of feces on four wheels money can rent you " 
 
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RE: What's The Most Economical Car Where You Live?

Fri May 21, 2010 8:58 pm

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 25):
That's terminology I see used the most by rental companies

The "economy" car, as they call it, is a politically correct way of saying "this is the crappiest, slowest, worst handling, most uncomfortable, most cheaply built, ugliest, and all-around biggest steaming pile of feces on four wheels money can rent you "

Back when I worked for Enterprise Rent-A-Car that is what we meant when we said economy.  
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