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Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Thu May 20, 2010 8:40 am

Wall Street Journal article

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=5203604

He again, like most others who've come clean before him details that for him doping wasn't just a once-made mistake but rather part of his life as a cyclist.

When I remember how regularly i followed the Tour in the early 2000s it's kinda sad to see that what you've been watching so religiously was nothing but fraud.
 
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Thu May 20, 2010 10:45 am

That's why they call it Tour de Farce !!

It's a joke and has been for years.   
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Thu May 20, 2010 10:49 am

I have believed for years that the Tour de France and perhaps other cycling races ought to be suspended for a year or more to realize that it has become impossible to run such races clean and to reset it place in French society.

The Tour de France is the biggest sporting event in France, one that has become more about marketing by consumer products and services as well as consumer spending than about the race itself. It should be considerably scaled down from the 3 weeks it takes to maybe 1 week or so and with a lot less of the commercial involvement. Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it - as a number of them have - as it may hurt their marketing due to the issues of doping that has become a part of this race.
 
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 4:04 pm

Allegations made by Landis against his former team and other cyclists are nothing new. I guess Landis still has a chip on his shoulder and the statute of limitations expiring for World Anti-Doping Association had nothing to do with this 'revelation'.

 
 
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 7:27 pm

Nothing new here with Landis. He has been feeding witch hunts since he got caught and lost his title.

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
what you've been watching so religiously was nothing but fraud.

Its not fraud. They are still going out there and performing incredible feats. Some use ergogenic aids, which is of questionable moral judgment, but they are still out there entertaining you.
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 9:08 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Its not fraud. They are still going out there and performing incredible feats.

Oh please, so your advocating the taking performance drugs, so long as they "perform incredible feats ???

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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 9:31 pm

Doping is bad in cycling, no doubt about it, and probably worse than on most other sports, but at least they're addressing the problem. I feel other sports are deemed "too important" and given a free pass, like football (soccer).

I have some respect for cyclists that were caught and apologized, Landis however is a scumbag, sorry to be blunt. Remember he took money from his fans to defend his "innocence".
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 10:04 pm

Funny that it's always the Tour that gets bashed...

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
It should be considerably scaled down from the 3 weeks it takes to maybe 1 week

It's done already, and it's called Paris-Nice.
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 10:46 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
Funny that it's always the Tour that gets bashed...

Well that's simply remedied then. Make it a clean sport (especially the Tour), then there is nothing to bash!


It seems to be a sport where drugs, seem to go hand in hand with bicycles.
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 10:54 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
The Tour de France is the biggest sporting event in France

Define biggest.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
one that has become more about marketing by consumer products and services as well as consumer spending than about the race itself.

When was the last time you watched ANY sporting event?

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
1 week or so and with a lot less of the commercial involvement.

In other words, turn it into a money losing event.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it

Yes, let's kill the event. While we are at it, let's also boycott MLB, the Olympics, NFL, etc.
 
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Fri May 21, 2010 11:38 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 5):

Oh please, so your advocating the taking performance drugs, so long as they "perform incredible feats ???

No. What I'm saying is that this isn't some "fraud" or "moral outrage." The public demands people be faster, stronger, better all the time for the sake of their own entertainment. As long as people don't hear, they don't care.
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Sat May 22, 2010 1:49 am

Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
The Tour de France is the biggest sporting event in France

Define biggest.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
one that has become more about marketing by consumer products and services as well as consumer spending than about the race itself.

When was the last time you watched ANY sporting event?

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
1 week or so and with a lot less of the commercial involvement.

In other words, turn it into a money losing event.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it

Yes, let's kill the event. While we are at it, let's also boycott MLB, the Olympics, NFL, etc.

There is little doubt that the TdeF is the biggest regular sporting event within France, with millions watching on TV, along the route which goes through many areas of the country.
I have no doubt that sports is more about the marketing to support it rather than sometihing to watch and enjoy. I am mainly a fan of car racing (NASCAR, IndyCar) and NFL Football but I wish the coverage wasn't so interrupted by so many commercials distoring the viewing experience.
The TdeF has major sponsors do major tours in the communites of the route with vehicles, giving away samples and so on.
If something has become tainted by unfair competition by PED's of its participants, then sponsors have a responsibility not to support it.
Perhaps the TdeF has become too big, too much of a prize that riders will do anything to their bodies no matter what the damage it does. Making it shorter, a bit scaled down would help productivity in the France in this globalized world, make it a reasonable competition rather than one of such extremes would be best for all involved.
 
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Sat May 22, 2010 6:34 am

He's not coming clean, he's lost his marbles.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
Doping is bad in cycling, no doubt about it, and probably worse than on most other sports, but at least they're addressing the problem.

Doping was bad in cycling. Anyone doing it now is playing Russian Roulet with 5 out of 6 shells loaded.
 
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Sat May 22, 2010 7:04 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Its not fraud.

Sorry but it is.
Competitors are winning money and accolades when they shouldn't be.

Its called false pretense. FRAUD, plain and simple.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
The public demands people be faster, stronger, better all the time for the sake of their own entertainment. As long as people don't hear, they don't care.

The competitors want to go faster and faster. Better their last time etc etc.

It's not the public at all. I don't follow your logic on this one ?

Quoting TIA (Reply 9):
In other words, turn it into a money losing event.

It is perhaps the money that has turned it into what it is, a sham and nothing more.
So maybe if the vasts amount of money wasn't involved then the pathetic , cheating drug taking cyclists would cease with this! After all its the money they are after, no??

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Participating advertisers and team sponsors ought to pull out of involvement in it - as a number of them have - as it may hurt their marketing due to the issues of doping that has become a part of this race.

Yes Yes Yes   
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Sat May 22, 2010 8:37 pm

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 8):
Make it a clean sport (especially the Tour), then there is nothing to bash!

Why especially the Tour? That's my question. Do you think that it's only during the Tour that competitors are doped? Do you think that the Giro or the Vuelta is cleaner? Or any professional bicycle race in the world? Or any other sport? No they're not. If they were making the same amount of checks as the Tour, you'd be surprised. In France, for example, and according to the French government, there are 3 times as many checks in cycling than in athletics and 50 times as many checks than in football! Then for sure, cycling has bigger chances to get caught than the other sports.
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Sat May 22, 2010 8:53 pm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
I feel other sports are deemed "too important" and given a free pass, like football (soccer).

The thing is, cycling is purely a feat of physycal strength and endurance. Doping can give you much more a leg-up than in other sports that depend more on technique, such as football. You can take all the performance-enhancing drugs in the world, if you have two bricks for feet you are not going anywhere in football.
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RE: Cyclist Floyd Landis Comes Clean About Doping

Sat May 22, 2010 9:29 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
Do you think that it's only during the Tour that competitors are doped?

No, but I would say, that it is the main "event" which gets the most press coverage.

I don't know, maybe if the controls (whatever they are ?) were greater, then things wouldn't be as bad.

But as you say....


Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 14):
there are 3 times as many checks in cycling than in athletics and 50 times as many checks than in football!

So your guess, is as good as mine ????

My 2 cents worth !
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