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Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 9:57 am

Thought this would be an interesting parallel rant thread to this thread started by Derico. I look forward to seeing people's confusion at our own ways. To start the ball rolling, three of my topics of befuddlement.

1. People who go out of their way to buy expensive, inefficient, impractical cars, sports cars and 4x4s in particular. If you don't live on a farm you probably don't need a land rover, and the height of them is just designed to destroy children. If a pedestrian is hit by any other car, the low bonnet will give you something to fall [slightly] gentler onto, so if the car is going at say 30mph, you have a reasonable chance of survival. A range rover is just a wall. And no you cannot say "well, I've got three kids, so I NEED a four wheel drive", as one person said in a BBC interview I saw a while back...no you don't. If you crash into anyone in a sensible car you just put them at increased danger, regardless of who is at fault for the collision. Sports cars are generally ugly in my opinion, and aside from costing the earth to buy and run, their performance is completely wasted in most of the world where speed limits apply. They both annoy me from a green perspective due to horrendous inefficiency, and even if you don't buy into us accelerating global warming, surely you can see that oil is a finite resource that we might want to make last a bit longer? Especially since much of it is in unstable areas that can keep us in stranglehold, and you get occasional disasters like we see off Louisiana.

2. Football (soccer). Okay, I just don't get where the attraction is, sure its fun to play, but watching grossly overpaid egotistical morons prance around a pitch for 90 minutes where 85 of those minutes are just monotonous passing? To my eye nothing happens in it. The major leagues are now over and I could usually look forward to a summer without my airwaves being polluted by match results and coverage, but now the darned world cup is on. Why did they not televise the underwater tiddlywinks world championship? Its just as good a spectator sport to my eye. I know it is just a personal opinion, I love watching Cricket, which most people would not get also.

3. Chart music. Seriously, who buys this stuff? Its all the same, people who can't sing without electronic gizmos to warp their voice, set to a backing of an electronically generated rhythm that is the same throughout the whole bloody song. Everywhere in the world has traditional songs that tell of who we are and where we come from, they're usually wonderful but being forgotten. I'm not saying we should all listen to folk music at the expense of everything else, but I don't get why fewer and fewer people seem to be even aware of it, let alone know the words to a song that hasn't been a mega hit in the last 30 years. To quote a verse from Show of Hands' song "Roots" about this same subject.

For 'Duelling Banjos', 'American Pie'
It's enough to make you cry
'Rule Britannia', or 'Swing low...'
Are they the only songs we English know?


Anyways, I wait with baited breath to see other peoples rants and musings of civil discontent.

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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 10:23 am

Quoting GST (Thread starter):
People who go out of their way to buy expensive, inefficient, impractical cars, sports cars and 4x4s in particular.
Quoting GST (Thread starter):
And no you cannot say "well, I've got three kids, so I NEED a four wheel drive"

Usually, if I buy a car it's because I like it. If I only did the things I really *need* in my life, I wouldn't be doing half of what I do. You can look at a car like a hobby: some like it, some don't. I happen to like sports cars and also SUVs and yes, I know they are unpopular. I buy them nonetheless.

I agree with you about the fact that it's ridiculous that some people justify their SUV by saying they need it for the 3 kids. They are probably part of those people who simply happen to like SUVs, but don't have the guts to stand behind their decision. The kids argument makes them feel less guilty.

Quoting GST (Thread starter):
Football (soccer)

Add me to the list. I couldn't be bothered if everyone were watching the soccer game by themselves, but no, when a specific country wins (Italy), the roads will be clogged with noisy fans honking their horns until 3 AM at least. Yes, this happens almost every summer here. I'm still thinking of countermeasures to take   

Another thing I don't understand of our society is the tendency to accuse the government for everything bad that happens, the most extreme example being some recent fatal accidents with people hit by cars on the street. In about 10 deaths that occurred, only 1 was clearly caused by faulty infrastructure (a kid was hit by a car after getting off a school bus on an 80 km/h road, then trying to cross said road - they now moved the bus stop elsewhere). The other cases were caused by the person being hit, for example by walking drunk in the middle of the road or jaywalking. Yet, people cry at the scandal saying that our government needs to "make our roads safer". Well... how?!

Also, retired people tend to go grocery shopping on the same day (Saturday) when people working office hours have to do their shopping as well. I mean, they have the entire week at their disposal - why clog up the supermarket on the same day there are all those people that *have* to do their shopping on Saturday? In Switzerland, we don't have those large store like in the US, and grocery shopping can really be a pain during peak times. When I'll be retired, I certainly won't do my shopping on Saturdays if I have a choice!

My last gripe for the moment is the tendency of customers to moan and threaten. In other countries, customers tend to be nice and understanding even when there are problems. In Switzerland (especially in the Italian speaking part where I live), the standard approach when there's a problem is "either you solve it now, or I'll cancel the subscription and sue you - oh, and get me that refund immediately". Not very motivating for the customer service reps. A bit of courtesy gets you very far IMO.
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 10:24 am

Quoting GST (Thread starter):
2. Football (soccer). Okay, I just don't get where the attraction is, sure its fun to play, but watching grossly overpaid egotistical morons prance around a pitch for 90 minutes where 85 of those minutes are just monotonous passing? To my eye nothing happens in it. The major leagues are now over and I could usually look forward to a summer without my airwaves being polluted by match results and coverage, but now the darned world cup is on. Why did they not televise the underwater tiddlywinks world championship? Its just as good a spectator sport to my eye. I know it is just a personal opinion, I love watching Cricket, which most people would not get also.

That is one thing I don't get! Millions to kick a small ball around a pitch.
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 11:29 am

Your so right about music and soccer. Some people I know actually state their favorite music to be ''top40''. I mean, how can you like music just because it's in this ''top40''. Is this something to be popular? However, it does seem to boost your ego if your the first one to say you like the new Madonna. Seriously, these singers can only dream about being as good as singers from the past.

Another one I just don't get. Package holidays.

Why would any Dutch tourist book a package holiday to Spain or Turkey? This means you'll fly a holiday charter to the south. Be carried to your hotel in a fully packed bus. Stop at like 20 hotels before reaching yours. Listen to your travel hosts propaganda about how unreliable company's like Hertz are. And being forced to pay her for doing the talks with them. After all this you stay at some low standard all inclusive hotel. It isn't even cheaper than booking a regular flight and hotel!! Are we all so afraid of having to arrange our 10 Euro taxi ride ourselves?

I hereby like to make use of the opportunity to rand cellphones.

Why is it necessary to have private conversations in public areas like a train? Some people don't just talk through their cellphones, they yell. I mean, I do NOT care about your boyfriend having another girl! Or about the problems you have paying of your mortgage. Aren't we ashamed of these things anymore? Some people even find it necessary to pick a ringing tune on the train. In the end they always seem to pick the loudest just to let everybody know how important they are, and how many phonecalls they get. It's the same thing with texting. Is it really necessary to have a bleep at every letter you type? Or to have this 'shutter' sound while making a photo with it? Cellphones seem to be so important, it's considered a status symbol these days. Why look at your watch while your phone has a clock on it? When a plane arrives at the gate, is it really that bad to not inform your entire family about it within the minute?

Parenting.

Last week at work their was this family in our waiting room. We placed new tables there the day before. Why are two healthy young parents incapable of stopping their 5 year old girl from writing on these brand new tables? They were actually rather offended by me, giving them a bucket of water and a sponge to clean it up. Before I came in they already seemed to have dumped a filled diaper in our paper bin.

Smokers.

Every non smoker will agree that cigarettes smell. According to smokers this is nonsense. They will never agree about the misery others have to go through. As long as they have their cigarettes. Parents find it completely acceptable to blow their smoke in their kids faces. Or to smoke in a waiting area full of people. They have to get their 5 minute breaks from work every half hour. They blow out their last breath of smoke while already boarding a fully loaded train. After finishing they simply throw their burning cigarettes on the ground! Why would you dispose them correctly?

Dogs.

Probably all dog owners consider their dogs to be great. They let them live and keep them in their small houses. Walking them only a couple of minutes a day. Some don't even walk along with them. They do their thing just out on the street. Why cleaning it? They run along with me while riding my bike. Don't they realize I'll make a pretty bad fall when they hit me? Don't they realize they die when they hit my car while driving? Or that I don't like a dog to 'play' with me when swimming outdoors? Maybe it's just me. But I get really mad when they keep on barking at 3 AM.

That's it for now. I'll come back later when I think of something else.
 
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 11:37 am

Quoting GST (Thread starter):
Okay, I just don't get where the attraction is, sure its fun to play, but watching grossly overpaid egotistical morons prance around a pitch for 90 minutes where 85 of those minutes are just monotonous passing?

Well, you could say that just about any game or sport for that matter. What's the fun of watching golf? Or swimming? Or cycling? Now doing it is an entirely different story...

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
Also, retired people tend to go grocery shopping on the same day (Saturday) when people working office hours have to do their shopping as well

Or start moving the lawn at 07:00 Saturday (or even worse, on a stat holiday)
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 12:01 pm

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
Seriously, these singers can only dream about being as good as singers from the past.

Its not so much that the singers and musicians today are inferior to those a few years back, the way I see it there are wonderful talents in any genre you choose to investigate, but the only ones who get through tend to be the ones who a producer has "changed" to "what people want to hear". When done on an industry wide scale the result is the producers telling us what we want to hear. I listen to everything from heavy metal to folk to orchestral classical, and there are talented young people anywhere you look, but you have to look hard. the "old" genres like classical and folk seem to nurture better, in that the fans and enthusiasts get to know new acts better and acts are able to establish their own style more or less unhindered. The only problem is the listenership for these seems to be small and declining.

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
Smokers.

Don't smoke in the house I say to my housemate, I can smell it all through the place I say. "no you can't, because I don't he lies". If you insist on smoking in the house, open the window and close your door until at least a half hour after you've finished the ciggy I say, "no need, I don't smoke in the house he says". This has been going on for about 8 months, often I just need to go to the lav, closing the door behind me when out of the room, and enough of the stuff will still get into my room that it stinks all night and I wake up with a cough. Rant over.

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
Dogs.

As a dog owner I find it infuriating that people keep large dogs in small urban houses, with only a short walk in a public park each day that the animal cant get off the lead. When I had a dog I lived int he countryside, and she got two hours of walk a day, only reducing later on when she was getting too old for such long walks. With fields and woods she could get out off the lead and be a dog. If you are able to take your dog somewhere that they can go off the path off the lead, it takes two weeks to train the animal to wait until they are off the path to do its business. No need to frequently poop scoop (or worse, refuse to do so and leave it on the pavement) if you are willing to invest a little effort in training.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 12:02 pm

Bread.

People in the US seem to be perfectly happy with some of the worst bread in the world.


Political hyper-polarization.

It just gets ridiculous and you see people defending whatever nonsense, just because they're affiliated with that particular group.


Trucks.

Completely impractical for the vast majority, yet so many people still buy them...


All-you-can-eat buffets

The food is usually dry and low quality. Not only that, but you usually don't eat more than you would at a regular restaurant.


"Fat-Acceptance" movement

Nuff said...


Televangelists and their followers

Seriously, can someone explain this?


Eating "competitions"

Eating is not a sport and these wasteful events are just flat out ridiculous.


Glamorization of Ignorance.


Imperial measurement system

Let's switch already. Whenever I'm back in the States and someone asks the temp, I'll just state it in C.


People who make a scene/scream/yell in order to get their way.

I see it all the time from adults in the US.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 1:04 pm

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
Dogs.

I like dogs although what really gets me is how much money is being spent on dogs worldwide.

I wish this money would be better spent, starving children, educating children, other people problems in general.

That's just me. People are allowed to spend their money any way they like, still so much money is being spent on dog grooming, dog clothing, dog cemeteries and funerals. and even more of this.

Does it mean that these people like their dogs more than human beings?
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 1:21 pm

This complete obsession over Megan Fox. I think she looks like an alien.

For that matter, my society's complete obsession with American Idol, Justin Bieber, Hollister, and pretty much any music that's currently playing on the radio.

Oh, and the KFC Double Down, or whatever its called..

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Does it mean that these people like their dogs more than human beings?

Yes.

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Sun May 23, 2010 2:12 pm

The people in my classes that will never shut up. When the teachers asks them to be quiet, five minutes later they start talking again. Some of us actually want to learn and get a good job!

All the high school and college students that get drunk. What is so fun about having a hangover?
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 2:22 pm

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 9):
What is so fun about having a hangover?

That must be something people like us will never understand.

I have another one. Snow boots. So many girls and adult woman find it necessary to wear these snowboots. Furthermore their packed in some kind of furry coat, a polar temperature resistant cap and extremely well isolated gloves. Come on, it doesn't get that cold in The Netherlands!
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 3:20 pm

I agree with many things above.

At least for Germany, I'd add the hysteria of many people when it comes to vaccinating their kids or even themselves. The vaccines against many illnesses have been used for decades and have saved many lives, yet some parents seem to think they will kill their kids. Sometimes leading to dangerous stuff like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pox_party

In Romania, where I was born shortly after the fall of communism, inoculating kids against the most common illnesses was mandatory, or maybe it still is. Partents who didn't comply got into serious trouble, and they deserved it. Nuff said.
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Sun May 23, 2010 3:23 pm

Some of my head shakers - and not just of the USA society include:

Texting/Twitter and the like: We are losing the ability to communicate face to face, to be able to write and speak in an understandable way, way too much unessary information as well as general rudeness due to the excessive use of these new ways to communiate.

Facebook and other social network sites: Why? Compounded with it's numerous privacy issues, that it can be used against you to get a job, that too many have no common sense in using it just turns me off. I have never did a social network page and never plan to. I have only seen a few Facebook posts and see no real need for them.

Obsession with pets and animals in general: Too many care more about them than humans in need. Many billions are spent by too many for their care while they wouldn't give a dime to a Food Bank. They give them fancy names, have exotic animals that should not be in capativity, won't eat meat and so on.

Celeberity Culture and interest: Too many care more about what Linsey Lohan is doing than what the politicans they elect (or can if they were not so lazy). There is way too much made of celebs, encouraging of the invasion of their privacy and safety and listining to thier far too often distorted values.

Luxury branded products: I see no real benefit in most cases to buying 'luxury' branded products. From BMW cars to Louis Vitton handbangs, to Rolex watches, too many who can't afford such items have them, all for some ego gratification. Please, I would rather have my more affordable Mazda, which for 99% of my daily use will be as good if not better than the BMW for much less money. Does a purse or watch that costs $1000's do the job any better than one for $100 or so? Please don't waste my money or ruin your credit which hurts me when you can't pay for them (higher interest rates and fees for me)

Much of "Reality" programing: Please, I don't like to see people eat strange animal parts, act like total fools in public, invade privacy or treat others like trash for some gain. I have no problem with those that legitmently show people at work or of businesses (Deadly Catch, et al), but I hate the competitive shows (Survivor, et al.) for their stupidty and encourging them to act stupid.
 
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 3:48 pm

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
Or to have this 'shutter' sound while making a photo with it?

Oftentimes you cannot remove the sound, it's designed to discourage people from taking pictures without the knowing of others (like in public toilets).
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Sun May 23, 2010 3:51 pm

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
Obsession with pets and animals in general: Too many care more about them than humans in need. Many billions are spent by too many for their care while they wouldn't give a dime to a Food Bank.

Companionship, loyalty and appreciation. Those are qualities you find missing in many people nowadays.

Also, you haven't exactly put forth a particular reason for why a given person should necessarily care so about and give to a random person "in need".
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 5:08 pm

Wrong question for Argentina. Here it would best be phrased as:

''Things you DO understand about your society''.

It would make for a much shorter read.

Besides the horrible politicians, the lack of enforcement of the law (in Argentina, blocking freeways and highways, international borders, shopping malls, in other words, violating other's rights is permitted; as is crossing the border and getting free education and healthcare without being of legal status which bankrupts local governments), besides the complete anarchy of football matches, need I go on.

But those aren't important people. What I will never understand is the Flogger.



Which was why I didn't open a thread about things from your own country, since how can I expect anyone here to explain this!!!







They have their own little electro-minimal dance:




And the biggest flogger of them all has like a 200+ page book.... What of all of THAT could a 17 year old take up so many pages relating defies the laws of physics.

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Sun May 23, 2010 5:45 pm

-Teabaggers
-Christian fundamentalist
-Fraternities / Sororities
-Environmentalist
-Tattoos
-Piercings
-Emo
-Rap
-Glamorizing thug, gangster culture and prisons
-After-market giant rims on cars
-new country music
-bad lesbian poetry
-NIMBYs
-smokers
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Sun May 23, 2010 5:49 pm

In this country....

The total lack of common sense and courtesy on the roads. Every day I see people skipping red lights, stop signs, kids standing on the front passenger seat or sitting on the driver's lap. Then there are the "taxis" that will pass on the left, go straight on in a turning lane, cut in front of other traffic, even go the wrong way down a lane to get a 5 second advantage.

If anyone is coming for the world cup, be careful on the roads!
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Sun May 23, 2010 5:53 pm

Rich person = Evil person is a general opinion in Sweden.. Why can't people accept rich people as normal persons? And no, I'm not rich.  Smile

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Sun May 23, 2010 6:00 pm

Quoting GST (Thread starter):
1. People who go out of their way to buy expensive, inefficient, impractical cars, sports cars and 4x4s in particular. If you don't live on a farm you probably don't need a land rover,

Very true I have a Black Smart car and love it. 4x4's and gas guzzlers should have 200% tax on them and pay higher road tax as they do more damage to the roads.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 7:03 pm

Dress code: For education.boy,are we setting and preparing our young people in the right direction.
Extreme left wingers: No loyalty to nothing.Perhaps anarchist promotion.

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Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Glamorizing thug, gangster culture and prisons

   Alarming that our young people wear such shirts,etc,etc.

Rap music:EGAD!
Death Metal:EGAD!Part 2
Minors: I'm concern that minors are being exploited again
And knowing what some of these minors are wearing almost asking for trouble,where's the parenting and media concern.
Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 6):
Televangelists and their followers

Seriously, can someone explain this?

  

Raider Fans.

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Sun May 23, 2010 7:07 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 17):
The total lack of common sense and courtesy on the roads. Every day I see people skipping red lights, stop signs, kids standing on the front passenger seat or sitting on the driver's lap. Then there are the "taxis" that will pass on the left, go straight on in a turning lane, cut in front of other traffic, even go the wrong way down a lane to get a 5 second advantage.

Sounds awesome!
I like that kind of driving! 
Here in San Francisco, it's the complete opposite. Drivers are so cautious to the point where they are dangerous. People sit at green lights, drive under the speed limit. What's worse is that so many pedestrians here J-walk without looking both ways before they cross and often times, motorist will wont honk or anything. They'll smile and wave. Inany other city that pedestrian would be ran over.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
4x4's and gas guzzlers should have 200% tax on them and pay higher road tax as they do more damage to the roads.

Just because you don't like them? Here in the United States, heavy vehicles DO pay a higher registration fee than regular cars. Also people who choose to own gas-guzzlers are already penalized at the gas pump. Every time they buy gas, they are paying more than you and they are paying more tax than you because we have a gas tax. The more gas you buy, the more gas taxes you're paying.
Keep in mind, the Rav4, CRV, Subarau models and older AMC Eagles are/were light weight vehicles that are 4X4. Should they pay more in registration than a brand new Honda Accord?
The new Honda Accord weights more than a lot of 4X4 vehicles on the road.




Other things I forgot to list:

Baseball
Basketball
Reality TV shows
Hybrids
CUVs
Mini-vans
Luxury SUVs
Tract homes with high ceilings and little floor space
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Sun May 23, 2010 7:32 pm

On some of the comments here, if I had lots of money I'd actually donate to dog or animal related charities like shelters and the like. I have dogs and they're not spoiled, they're fed normal dog food and sleep in normal, yet comfortable premises. I absolutely understand when people talk excesses in money, but preferring to help animals than humans is a perfectly valid choice in my opinion, and one I'd do if I had money to spare, which I don't. Please note I am talking about helping like in street dogs, not buying a 10000 dollars nail polish to your poodle which is an excess by all means.


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About my society (Colombia) I don't really understand why the culture of taking advantage of people is well seen... for example, if you're a taxi driver and you take someone that doesn't know the city through a longer route so you make a couple more thousand pesos that is seen as a good act of "cleverness" instead of being plain dishonesty.

Also the association of evil with not having a religion, and the damn ritual it becomes when you like a girl and try to get after her, if two people like each other why not make things easy?

There's also lots of things I don't get from the current society I'm living in (Thailand), but I'll refrain from commenting on that for the time being.
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RE: Things You'll Never Understand Of Your Society

Sun May 23, 2010 7:44 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
Here in the United States, heavy vehicles DO pay a higher registration fee than regular cars.

That's YOUR state. Car registration is processed by a state agency and fees/rules vary from state to state.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 7:45 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 23):
That's YOUR state. Car registration is processed by a state agency and fees/rules vary from state to state.

...and most if not ALL states do this.
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:04 pm

What basis do you have for this?

That's not the case in Illinois.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:09 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 25):
That's not the case in Illinois.

Registration fees in Illinois have been skyrocketing. That comes from the fact that Illinois may be a bigger disaster budget wise than California.  

Simply existing in Illinois costs you an arm and a leg.

Besides, most states that aren't corrupt cesspools have moved on to tacking on higher registration for heavier vehicles.

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Sun May 23, 2010 8:15 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 25):
That's not the case in Illinois.

You are incorrect.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/vehicles/basicfees.html

Passenger $99
B-Truck (gross weight 8,000 lbs. or less) $99


A truck weighting more than 8,000 will pay more than $99.




Illinois truck & farm registration fees are clearly higher than the $99 for regular cars & trucks.

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/de...tments/vehicles/cft/truckfees.html
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:26 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 26):
Registration fees in Illinois have been skyrocketing.

  It was about $78 last time I lived in IL and now it seems like it's a flat $99. Not exactly "skyrocketing".

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 26):
That comes from the fact that Illinois may be a bigger disaster budget wise than California.

Or not. Come on. At least provide some basis.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 26):
Simply existing in Illinois costs you an arm and a leg.

That's not deniable. Property tax where my parents live is insane...


Anyway, I'm still wondering where this "all [or almost all] states are just like CA" idea comes from?

I checked on the federal DOT site, and their most recent (2008) document shows a fair number of states with flat fees:

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/hwytaxes/2008/mv103pt1.cfm
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:34 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):

Passenger $99
B-Truck (gross weight 8,000 lbs. or less) $99

A truck weighting more than 8,000 will pay more than $99.

I guess this is just a semantics issue then. There are states which charge different fees for normal passenger vehicles based on weight. I assumed that's what you meant.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:38 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 29):
I guess this is just a semantics issue then. There are states which charge different fees for normal passenger vehicles based on weight. I assumed that's what you meant.

I was referring to heavy commercial trucks versus passenger cars sold to the public.
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:45 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 6):
All-you-can-eat buffets

  

[quote=Boeing4ever,reply=26]Registration fees in Illinois have been skyrocketing.

Oh stop complaining. I just paid $680 as rego fees..$99 is nothing compared to that.

Ok, back to the thread...

I'll never understand our obsession to find an Australian connection with everything...I mean anything and everything! Example: The Craig Venter story...seems someone on the team (must be a research assistant), was an Australian..so that was highlighted. Same goes for many of the movie stars, sport stars, the guy who worked on the team who discovered penicillin etc etc.

Pets. People seem to care more about their stupid pets than their family,

Ford vs Holden. Really?!  
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Christian fundamentalist
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Environmentalist
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Tattoos
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Piercings

  
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:52 pm

Oh god, where do I start!!!!!  

1) Catholicism - its done more to divide our country than any other single force bar one, yet people still support the church despite scandal after scandal.

2) Our ability to elect, and even celebrate, parochial, narrow minded, county obsessed idiots like Jackie Healy Rae to our national parliament and then expect to be taken seriously (Irish people will know who im talking about)

3) Our continual obsession with knocking our own country, and failing to realise just how good we have it (current recession excluded)

4) Our love of national tragedy - get over it folks, the Brits have gone, no one is dying any more, and things are pretty sweet all told. Time to forget it - we arent persecuted any more except perhaps by ourselves!

5) Our complete inability to plan logistically and thoroughly. While we are great at keeping the show on the road when things go wrong, our forward planning skills leave a lot to be desired. In that sense, we are almost the exact opposite of the Germans.

6) Crap Motorway driving skills - you dont just sit in the middle or right hand lanes of motorways - you used them for overtaking only and you get back into the furthest lane to the left when you are done!!! The middle lane is not to be used for cruising!!!!!! (although I must say, American, Canadian and Ozzie drivers seem to be pretty bad at this too, with the British probably being the most disciplined I have seen on following the correct procedure)
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 8:59 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 32):
Crap Motorway driving skills - you dont just sit in the middle or right hand lanes of motorways - you used them for overtaking only

The big hate of mine in Ireland is potholes and bad roads. They could even be called craters where I am.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 9:02 pm

I agree with most of the things posted already, except for the drinking and football part.  
Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 9):
All the high school and college students that get drunk. What is so fun about having a hangover?

There is nothing wrong with a hangover if one's had an amazing evening out.  

Getting drunk à la binge drinking a couple of times during the week just for the sake of getting drunk, that I don't understand. But I don't see a problem with getting drunk once in a while or when there's something to celebrate.

Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 18):
Rich person = Evil person is a general opinion in Sweden.

Not only in Sweden, but this seems to be the trend in Switzerland too. All the rich get put in the same basket, even though the large part of them actually earned their money fair and square through hard work.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 9:15 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 31):
Pets. People seem to care more about their stupid pets than their family,

It's not hard to understand when you put it in terms of companionship and loyalty. Many familial relationships are completely devoid of this.

Also, you could very well turn your statement around. "People seem to care more about their stupid family than their pets, " ... Yeah, I dated a chick who worked with children that had severe mental disabilities. I'm not talking about "slow" kids, but rather virtual vegetables or writhing meat bags. To be perfectly honest, I really didn't understand the emotion people had for those...well, I don't want to say "individuals". Sure, they were "people shaped", but clearly well below the cognizant and emotive ability of the average household cat or dog.


I notice that people keep checking "Environmentalists"
That's kind of strange since it encompasses a whole range of ideologies. Frankly, I wouldn't want my environment to be like China or India. Who can say they wouldn't mind that?? I'm generally fine with draining a swap to build a semi-conductor factory or HSR though.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 28):
It was about $78 last time I lived in IL and now it seems like it's a flat $99. Not exactly "skyrocketing".



When you're in a state that has as high of an income tax rate and property tax rate, seeing a fee hike like this is enough to make ones blood boil. It doesn't help that the state has done little to balance the budget.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 28):
Or not. Come on. At least provide some basis.



I don't want to get too off topic, but one thing I don't understand is Illinois's ability to put up with corrupt, despotic politicians. For one, they reelected Rod Blagojevich, who along with his corrupt predecessor George Ryan, managed to work the state into the hole it's currently in.

While California has some pretty insane ways of getting legislation passed, along with the farce of a gubernatorial recall some time ago, at least noone is blatantly on the take.

Getting fully back on topic:

1: 24hr News channels - Has anyone noticed the rise in BS stories just to fill in the full 24 hrs? Most of the content isn't news...it's "commentary". That's totally different from news, but there's a disturbing number of people out there who can't tell the difference!

2: Political commentators/Political party loyalty - Why anyone would take these commentators seriously or seriously be a member of the Democrats or Republicans is beyond me. Both have been proved to be corrupt and hypocritical, but we see Americans come to one or the other's defense time and time again. It's even more sad that in spite of these parties losing all credibility many years ago, you'll get followers who denigrate the other party, while whitewashing or ignoring that their party is just as guilty. Sane people tend to realize that kind of hypocrisy and leave all parties all together. But whatever.  

3: Reality TV - Already coverd by others, but I don't get the fascination with shows like Survivor which by their nature are staged yet somehow billed as "reality".

4: Apple fans - They've promoted Steve Jobs to godhood. For them, if it isn't an iSomething or a Mac, it's worthless. For a group of people who pride themselves on opposing Microsoft and "groupthink" they sure do form an interesting cult.

5: Smart Car/Hybrid Car drivers - I drive a 4 cyl Toyota Camry. Gets good gas mileage, is good for short commutes and long road trips, and I can haul crap in it. It's a perfect swing-role vehicle. Honestly, without a toxic battery, I'm a better environmentalist for having this type of car (it's called a Sedan for those who think it's a war between SUV's and Hybrids alone), than any Hybrid Driver. And Dumb cars? They's no longer than the width of my Camry! I have a theory about drivers of these vehicles...they are all Hummer converts. Think about it, it's the same M.O. They want attention. First they think they're better because they have the biggest road behemoth out there and they're smart for being "safe". Gas prices go up, and these attention whores all switch to hybrids and get all smug because they're so "green". I hope these people disappear up their own assholes.

6: Twitter - Ok, I'm fine with social networking to stay connected with old friends, but I don't give a damn if you're out buying a gallon of milk.

7: Celebrity Obsession - Who cares? Why did Tiger Woods apologize to me for "playing extra holes of golf" away from his wife? How exactly did he harm me? Why doesn't he apologize for sucking it up recently and costing me money on a sports bet? Where is he to apologize for that!? Seriously, why didn't he just apologize to his wife and kids!?

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Sun May 23, 2010 9:25 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 33):
The big hate of mine in Ireland is potholes and bad roads. They could even be called craters where I am.

Im afraid to say we arent alone OA - I'm just back from the US and some of their motorways are in appaling condition, same with Canada, and also in the UK, roads seem to have deteriorated very badly after the harsh winter.

You must also admit that things have improved greatly over the last 20 years, but there is still more to do admittedly!
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 9:57 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 21):
and they are paying more tax than you because we have a gas tax. The more gas you buy, the more gas taxes you're paying.

Like we don't have fuel taxes in Europe?  
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Sun May 23, 2010 10:09 pm

While a problem in essentially any society, racism.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 10:24 pm

Quoting A342 (Reply 38):
Like we don't have fuel taxes in Europe?

Who said you weren't?  
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Sun May 23, 2010 10:28 pm

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 36):
5: Smart Car/Hybrid Car drivers

The concept is good, but until the processes for cleaning up manufacture of the batteries, they are generally worse over a lifetime unless 50% of the day is spent in stop start urban traffic.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 37):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 33):
The big hate of mine in Ireland is potholes and bad roads. They could even be called craters where I am.

Im afraid to say we arent alone OA - I'm just back from the US and some of their motorways are in appaling condition, same with Canada, and also in the UK, roads seem to have deteriorated very badly after the harsh winter.

You must also admit that things have improved greatly over the last 20 years, but there is still more to do admittedly!

It has indeed improved for you in these last few years. I live in the north and nowadays the only difference when you go over the border is that the road signs change colour. It could also be that our roads have been neglected as noted. I rather think it a bit of both.
 
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Sun May 23, 2010 10:42 pm

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 4):
What's the fun of watching golf? Or swimming? Or cycling?

Or any sport for that matter

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 6):
"Fat-Acceptance" movement

I agree. overweight happens and underweight happens but when I see a woman who weighs as much as I or a man with his belly touching his knees I draw the line.

Quoting Airport (Reply 8):
society's complete obsession with American Idol

A pet peeve of mine also, when the people at work start talking about it I just feel the need to be rude. Of course I feel that need often anyway.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
Texting/Twitter and the like:

What the hell is a "twitter" and why, if you are using the phone anyway, not just call and talk ?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
-Teabaggers
-Christian fundamentalist
-Fraternities / Sororities
-Environmentalist
-Tattoos
-Piercings
-Emo
-Rap
-Glamorizing thug, gangster culture and prisons
-After-market giant rims on cars
-new country music
-bad lesbian poetry
-NIMBYs
-smokers

I have no idea what lesbvian poetry is but the rest I agree with.

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 20):
Raider Fans.

They are odd

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
I have a Black Smart car and love it

           

I wish I could have one of those, It wouldn't work for me though.

I have to add the pure inability of people these days to function without a cell phone by there side. Why is that ?
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Sun May 23, 2010 11:01 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Who said you weren't?

You very much implied it. And FYI, our gas taxes in Europe are way higher than in the USA.
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Sun May 23, 2010 11:05 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 32):
6) Crap Motorway driving skills - you dont just sit in the middle or right hand lanes of motorways - you used them for overtaking only and you get back into the furthest lane to the left when you are done!!! The middle lane is not to be used for cruising!!!!!! (although I must say, American, Canadian and Ozzie drivers seem to be pretty bad at this too, with the British probably being the most disciplined I have seen on following the correct procedure)

Maybe because in your country you are only allowed to drive motorways AFTER you pass the driving test and get your full licence. This means you can´t legally train how to drive on motorways as a driving student and you don´t get checked out on your motorway driving skills during your test.

For my country I don´t get the total aversion to any risk with many Germans. Technological developments or even research gets stalled "because nobody knows if there might be some risk involved in the future". How the hell can we find out about possible risdks and how to avoid them if we don´t do any research?

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Sun May 23, 2010 11:29 pm

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 42):
I agree. overweight happens and underweight happens but when I see a woman who weighs as much as I or a man with his belly touching his knees I draw the line.

Maybe its not so much "fat acceptance" as people acceptance. What has it got do with you what someone else looks like?? Live and let live for god sake.... (oh but it costs our health service - so do lots of things - deal with it)

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 44):
Maybe because in your country you are only allowed to drive motorways AFTER you pass the driving test and get your full licence. This means you can´t legally train how to drive on motorways as a driving student and you don´t get checked out on your motorway driving skills during your test.

I dont really think thats a valid excuse. You are perfectly allowed to drive on Dual Carriageways on a learner licence in Ireland, and many of these are of the same engineering standard as Motorways, just with different access rules. It is entirely possible for someone to drive on one of these and learn their lane discipline. The problem in Ireland is that people just dont care.
 
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Mon May 24, 2010 1:38 am

Quoting A342 (Reply 43):
You very much implied it.

No I did not.
That is what you assumed.
I never said a damn thing about Europe. I was responding to a member that claims to reside in Japan and the US.
Please take your tired old Euro vs. US cat-fight to another website please.
  
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Mon May 24, 2010 1:43 am

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
hereby like to make use of the opportunity to rand cellphones.

Why is it necessary to have private conversations in public areas like a train? Some people don't just talk through their cellphones, they yell. I mean, I do NOT care about your boyfriend having another girl! Or about the problems you have paying of your mortgage. Aren't we ashamed of these things anymore? Some people even find it necessary to pick a ringing tune on the train. In the end they always seem to pick the loudest just to let everybody know how important they are, and how many phonecalls they get. It's the same thing with texting. Is it really necessary to have a bleep at every letter you type? Or to have this 'shutter' sound while making a photo with it? Cellphones seem to be so important, it's considered a status symbol these days. Why look at your watch while your phone has a clock on it? When a plane arrives at the gate, is it really that bad to not inform your entire family about it within the minute?

Agree entirely. Let me just say that in terms of cellphones, the only thing worse than listening to a cell phone conversation in a language you don't understand is listening to a cell phone conversation in a language that you do understand. I'm tempted to start up a website where people can post overheard cellphone conversations, the location where the convo took place, and other identifying details just so we can use public shame to end this problem. I have no problem with you having a basic conversation--I'm on my way, I'll be there in x minutes, etc.--but I really don't need to know nor do I care to know about your personal details and private life.

The inventor of customized ring tones should be forced to permanentely wear a set of bose noise cancelling headphones hooked up to a machine playing the most annoying ring tones. Whatever happened to a basic telephone ring?

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 3):
Smokers.

Every non smoker will agree that cigarettes smell. According to smokers this is nonsense. They will never agree about the misery others have to go through. As long as they have their cigarettes. Parents find it completely acceptable to blow their smoke in their kids faces. Or to smoke in a waiting area full of people. They have to get their 5 minute breaks from work every half hour. They blow out their last breath of smoke while already boarding a fully loaded train. After finishing they simply throw their burning cigarettes on the ground! Why would you dispose them correctly

Hate it when you are walking behind someone who is smoking and when they exhale, it flies back in your face.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 34):
Getting drunk à la binge drinking a couple of times during the week just for the sake of getting drunk, that I don't understand. But I don't see a problem with getting drunk once in a while or when there's something to celebrate.

I don't have a problem with going out with friends and drinking if it is a social occasion, and having to deal with a hangover as an after effect of the problem. But doing that repeatedly isn't simply binge drinking--it's alcoholism.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 36):
1: 24hr News channels - Has anyone noticed the rise in BS stories just to fill in the full 24 hrs? Most of the content isn't news...it's "commentary". That's totally different from news, but there's a disturbing number of people out there who can't tell the difference!

So much fluff and puff pieces out there. We need to have an independent media watchdog that is willing to call out the networks for putting news out that isn't actually news, or is merely opinion disguised as news.
There's also a disturbing number of people out there who don't know what a fact is, and that there are certain things that aren't necessarily debatable. Just because you think our opinion is right doesn't make it so, especially when it is based on a false set of facts or premises. We've lost the art of a legitimate, non-personal argument or debate in this country. There is so much disinformation and misinformation out there.

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 36):
2: Political commentators/Political party loyalty - Why anyone would take these commentators seriously or seriously be a member of the Democrats or Republicans is beyond me. Both have been proved to be corrupt and hypocritical, but we see Americans come to one or the other's defense time and time again. It's even more sad that in spite of these parties losing all credibility many years ago, you'll get followers who denigrate the other party, while whitewashing or ignoring that their party is just as guilty. Sane people tend to realize that kind of hypocrisy and leave all parties all together. But whatever

Democrats=Idiots. Republicans=morons. Choosing between them is like choosing whether you want to be in the driver's seat or the front passenger seat of a car headed for an oncoming, head-on collision with an 18 wheeler.

What drives me crazy about the U.S. is just how partisan the country has become--"Well, he's not my president. I didn't vote for him"--it's no longer about national interest, it's about party interest.

I also don't get the obsession with religion and personal private lives in this country.

Another thing: why is the NBA so popular? It's boring as heck to watch, the players don't really play until the playoffs, and they are just a bunch of overpaid whiny crybabies. When benchwarmers who play less than 10 minutes per game get paid upwards of 5 million per year, you know that something is wrong with your sport.

I also don't get the popularity of NASCAR. I could have the same viewing experience watching cars go around a roundabout, traffic circle, or even a parking lot.
 
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Mon May 24, 2010 4:11 am

I forgot to mention the soccer mania.
I enjoy playing it and even watching it sometimes, but no way in hell that I'm gonna get into a fistfight about a soccer team or worse kill or get killed for it! (happens a lot in Colombia)
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Mon May 24, 2010 5:39 am

I really can't understand American's huge mental divide between what they do and what they think policy should be. Specifically, I think this applies most to our alcohol and marijuana policies.

There is near universal support for keeping the drinking age 21, which is very high compared to international standards. Even parents that let their kids have alcohol with friends in the house, or know that their kid drinks but don't punish them for it, support the age 21 drinking age. I've never heard of a major politician calling for even looking at the country's alcohol policies.

This is similar to marijuana. More than half of Americans have tried it and we consume more of it than any other country in the world. Yet legalization is opposed by most people, although this is changing.

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