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Obama Offered Sestak A Job?

Tue May 25, 2010 12:26 pm

White House mum on whether Sestak offered a job

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What job did the White House offer Democratic Rep. Joe Sestak if he skipped the Pennsylvania Senate primary and who made the offer?

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/05/23...-whether-sestak.html#ixzz0owTM0Ycu

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ing-white-house-illegal-job-offer/

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world...8500281&pid=94731464#axzz0owVsvFP2

Sestak has admitted on numerous occasions that the Whitehouse offered him a position to leave the primary race against Arlen Spectre. Obama had already backed Spectre in the race so Sestak needed to be moved out of the way. Sestak will not say what job was offered to him but the rumour is that he was offerd the Sec. of the Navy.

So either Sestak is lieing and his campaign will sink form this or the Obama adminstration did do this and they should be facing 3 felony accounts. Sestak need to come clean and tell what position was offered. To think he can say something was offered and then to just forget about it will not fly with the voters. Congress will be looking into this since he is a member also.

Robert Gibbs has alos been fumbling his answers on the subject making things worse.

Sestak, Gibbs Skirt Questions About Alleged Job Offer


http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20100523/pl_cq_politics/politics3669567

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Rep. Joe Sestak, winner of the Pennsylvania Democratic Senate primary, is refusing to provide more information on what job he was offered by a White House official to drop of that race, although he confirmed again that the incident occurred.

The White House was backing incumbent Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) in the primary. Sestak acknowledged in an interview in February that he was offered a position by an unnamed White House official - a potential violation of federal law - but has not offered any specifics on conversation. Republicans are trying to use the issue against Sestak in the November Senate race.

"It's interesting. I was asked a question about something that happened months earlier, and I felt that I should answer it honestly, and that's all I had to say about it." Sestak said Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press." "Anybody else has to decide on what they will say upon their role. That's their responsibility."

Yet Sestak confirmed to NBC's David Gregory that the incident did take place.

"I was offered a job, and I answered that," Sestak said. "Anything that goes beyond that is for others to talk about."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/politi...et_out_of_Senate_race.html?showall

I want to see them sweep this one underr the rug.....
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:41 pm

So, Sestak was offered a job in the WH but no one including Sestak will say exactly when that job was offered to him? It looks to me, at this point, the right is trying really hard to play "connect the dots" but leaving a few spaces out. Kinda like Beck and his chalk board. Has anyone attacking the Obama administration bothered to ask WHEN this job was offered? Not in the articles I read in the OP link. They are all saying "He was offered a job to quit the race." Well, that is not what Sestak nor the WH say. All that they have said is "a job was offered." Jumping the gun a bit. I know the right hates Obama, but quit grasping at straws.
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:51 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
So either Sestak is lieing and his campaign will sink form this or the Obama adminstration did do this and they should be facing 3 felony accounts. Sestak need to come clean and tell what position was offered. To think he can say something was offered and then to just forget about it will not fly with the voters. Congress will be looking into this since he is a member also.

Dunno about you, but I don't really see the problem here. None of those links you posted state that the job offer was illegal. The only person claiming that a felony occurred is Darrell Issa, as quoted in the Fox News piece, and he's - how should I say this? - kind of an idiot. No money's changing hands, and Sestak would have been entirely qualified for the SecNavy position (if that's what was suggested). Not only that, but you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time? Parties regularly try to convince members to run for particular offices rather than others, so as to get their favored candidates in favored positions. The big example has to be Obama giving Clinton the SecState position - I'd bet money that she backed down in the primary fight in large part because Obama had promised her that job.
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:57 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
Dunno about you, but I don't really see the problem here. None of those links you posted state that the job offer was illegal. The only person claiming that a felony occurred is Darrell Issa, as quoted in the Fox News piece, and he's - how should I say this? - kind of an idiot. No money's changing hands, and Sestak would have been entirely qualified for the SecNavy position (if that's what was suggested). Not only that, but you don't think this kind of thing happens all the time? Parties regularly try to convince members to run for particular offices rather than others, so as to get their favored candidates in favored positions.

Funny but didn't the Obama Administration's Justice Department indicit Gov. Blagojevich even though no money changed hands? Does that make the Administration equally idiotic?
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 3:13 pm

Have to say I'm in the ?? camp on this one. They didn't offer him a job to vote a certain way on legislation, that would have been a bribe. They offered him a job to prop up Specters chances at staying in the Senate. Seems to me that the Sestak camp has created its own tempest. They are damned no matter what. If the Obama administration doesn't come out and confirm what he says then Sestak himself looks like a nut. If they do come out and confirm what Sestak says then they look like they were at least interfering in State politics. All in all it's just another example of Chicago type politics, nothing new, move along.
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Tue May 25, 2010 3:22 pm

The Chicago way....

Nothing new here. Although some accountability would be nice.
 
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Obama Offered Sestak A Job?

Tue May 25, 2010 3:24 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
Dunno about you, but I don't really see the problem here.

I don't suppose you would.


This looks to be Chicago style politics at its finest.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
Parties regularly try to convince members to run for particular offices rather than others, so as to get their favored candidates in favored positions.

But, according to the articles, that's not what happened here. They weren't trying to get Sestak in a favored position, but to get him out of the way, completely, so that Specter would have a better chance in the primary.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
The big example has to be Obama giving Clinton the SecState position - I'd bet money that she backed down in the primary fight in large part because Obama had promised her that job

I would expect no different from both sides in that fight.
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Tue May 25, 2010 3:55 pm

Quoting dxing (Reply 4):
All in all it's just another example of Chicago type politics, nothing new, move along.



Unfortunately if they were offering him a Secretary position that would imply that the president was involved and would ultimately end up with an impeachable offence.

I think the country needs better than "Chicago Politics"

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Tue May 25, 2010 4:00 pm

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
The big example has to be Obama giving Clinton the SecState position - I'd bet money that she backed down in the primary fight in large part because Obama had promised her that job.

The primary fight was already over at that point. Clinton fought till hard till the last and actually had more of the popular vote than President Obama did. It was only the superdelegates endorsements that put him over the top. His reasoning for offering her the Sec State position was simple. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. With her in the administration he didn't have to worry about being sniped at by someone on his own side. Not the same thing as the Sestak affair at all.
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Tue May 25, 2010 4:02 pm

What did they offer Harold Ford to not run? Was probably a better deal since he actually took it. I think Sestak is an idiot for letting this out. It will probably harm him more than help.
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Tue May 25, 2010 4:04 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
I want to see them sweep this one underr the rug.....



I do as well .... the last thing we need is a big hoopla over this. As conservative / republicans (myself) we will never beat the left on these kinds of tabloid whodunit soap operas . We need to sweep them from power with a good strong election ...preferably one with overwhelming victories . This kind of "Watergate" BS is the tool of the weak .... let is go and lets get on with the election .

We need to win on principles ... not by beating up on personalities . Nothing will stick to this President ... nothing , and the accusers will come out looking like cry baby racists . Just look at the power Clinton has ... you can not even make it up .. the guy was humiliated in front of all the country and he runs around like he is the greatest president of all times. How can you shame a party who has such operators within it? .... you cant , they will always win these fights.
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Obama Offered Sestak A Job?

Tue May 25, 2010 5:04 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
They are all saying "He was offered a job to quit the race." Well, that is not what Sestak nor the WH say. All that they have said is "a job was offered."

Wrong:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politi...et_out_of_Senate_race.html?showall

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
Dunno about you, but I don't really see the problem here. None of those links you posted state that the job offer was illegal.
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Title 18, U.S.C. Section 211 says, “Whoever solicits or receives, either as a political contribution or for personal emolument, any money or thing of value, in consideration of the promise of support or use of influence in obtaining for any person any appointive office or place under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year or both.”

Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595, which says, “Whoever, being a person employed in any administrative position by the United States … uses his official authority for the purposes of interfering with, or affecting the nomination of, or the election of any candidate for office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representative…shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”

Title 18 U.S.C. Section 600, which says, “Whoever directly or indirectly promises any employment position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, in favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.”

Sestak refuses to say what the job was or who at the White House offered it to him. It's like a rape victim refusing to name the assailant. Earlier this year, Robert Gibbs repeatedly tried to stonewall the matter hoping reporters would drop it, but never denied it. Finally this Monday Axelrod said that the matter had been looked into and that “nothing inappropriate happened.” He refused to give any details and quickly changed the subject. Wonderful - the administration investigated itself and found nothing wrong - what a surprise.

Something smells fishy here doesn’t it? Either Sestak was offered a job, in which case it could be a violation of federal law or he wasn’t offered a job and is lying about it. Nobody in the administration has denied it - they just claim it's no big deal. If “nothing inappropriate happened” why won’t the White House come forward and describe the contacts staffers had with Sestak to get him out of the race with Specter? And if any serious cabinet level job offer was considered it would have to have been made with the full knowledge and assent of the President.

One wonders how long a President that championed transparency and openness during the presidential election can continue to stonewall and evade a full and complete accounting of White House activity with Sestak. Clearly someone here is lying.

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Tue May 25, 2010 5:28 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 7):
Unfortunately if they were offering him a Secretary position that would imply that the president was involved and would ultimately end up with an impeachable offence.

That is the million dollar question. Also the fact that Sestak had been supported by Hillary in the past adds even more intrigue to this.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
One wonders how long a President that championed transparency and openness during the presidential election can continue to stonewall and evade a full and complete accounting of White House activity with Sestak. Clearly someone here is lying.

Bingo. Who is not telling the truth. One will cost Obama alot of political capital if not his job. The other will give Toomay the Penn. Sen. seat.
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 5:38 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Title 18, U.S.C. Section 211 says
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Title 18, U.S.C. Section 595
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Title 18 U.S.C. Section 600

looks like someone should be going to jail. And if it was the Sec navy position that had to come from the top...
 
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Obama Offered Sestak A Job?

Tue May 25, 2010 6:28 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
Sestak will say exactly when that job was offered to him?
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Sestak refuses to say what the job was or who at the White House offered it to him.

David Gregory on Sunday's Meet the Press said the position was the Secretary of Navy.
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 7:08 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 7):
Unfortunately if they were offering him a Secretary position that would imply that the president was involved and would ultimately end up with an impeachable offence.

I really don't see how.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Something smells fishy here doesn’t it?

It's fishy, but not in an illegal way, just in a tacky way.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Either Sestak was offered a job, in which case it could be a violation of federal law or he wasn’t offered a job and is lying about it.

In the 3 statutes you list, where is the word "primary" election mentioned? Who was going to make money off the deal? Think of it this way, if it were illegal to offer a Congressman, or any other elected person a job in the Administration then probably all Presidents would be guilty of impeachable offenses. This strikes me as of being on the same level as the outright firing of the Assistant AG's during the Bush administration. A lot of democrats got all lathered up around the mouth about that but in the end it was shown that nothing illegal had occured.
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Tue May 25, 2010 7:17 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 12):

Bingo. Who is not telling the truth. One will cost Obama alot of political capital if not his job. The other will give Toomay the Penn. Sen. seat.

First off, it's Specter and Toomey. Not Spectre or Toomay. Secondly, there's nothing wrong with offering a job to anyone. PA just lost quite a bit with Specter's inability to get renominated, much more than we lost when Santorum wasn't re-elected.
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Tue May 25, 2010 7:29 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
Secondly, there's nothing wrong with offering a job to anyone.

Wrong - it is clearly against the law to promise a government job to someone in return for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office.

You can offer such a job after the fact. But promising a job in advance is illegal.
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:55 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 12):
Bingo. Who is not telling the truth. One will cost Obama alot of political capital if not his job. The other will give Toomay the Penn. Sen. seat.

That’s the key point, isn’t it?

Toomey would be wise to hammer and hammer and hammer on Sestak. And the tighter the race gets, guess what’ll happen? Obama will throw his weight into the race. Given that he’s pretty much 0-5 thus far, I love the fact that the Sestak skeleton in the closet and corruption is something that can become a lightning rod. Either way, it’s more leverage for the GOP.
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 9:29 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 18):

I'm afraid the race will really get ugly now, not that I have any incentive to vote after Specter's ouster. The PA governor's race is just as bad, Allegheny County's a$$clown chief executive Dan Onorato vs. PA Attorney General Tom Corbett.
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Tue May 25, 2010 10:06 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Wrong:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politi...owall

Right. I read that one when Windy posted it. Again: how is any of this wrong? Back in February, Sestak said he was offered a position sometime earlier. He has yet to say when he was offered that position. I have yet to read anywhere that says "The WH says if you don't run, we will give you the Sec of Navy spot." I don't see that anywhere and no one, not Sestak, not the WH, no one is saying that.

Sestak says "Something happend, but I am not giving any details." That in and of itself sounds fishy. What does Sestak have to hide? What is he doing with his right hand while he is getting everyone to look at his left?
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Tue May 25, 2010 10:21 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 20):
I have yet to read anywhere that says "The WH says if you don't run, we will give you the Sec of Navy spot." I don't see that anywhere and no one, not Sestak, not the WH, no one is saying that.
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Sestak made his startling claim Thursday during the taping of Comcast Network's Larry Kane: Voice of Reason, a public affairs show televised on Sunday evenings.

"Were you ever offered a federal job to get out of this race?" Kane asked near the end of the 30-minute interview.

"Yes," Sestak answered.

Technically you might be right - he hasn't said it in complete sentences. But he did answer a very direct question.

If you want to argue semantics, go ahead. But you are not going to convince anyone.
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Tue May 25, 2010 10:49 pm

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
First off, it's Specter and Toomey. Not Spectre or Toomay. Secondly, there's nothing wrong with offering a job to anyone. PA just lost quite a bit with Specter's inability to get renominated, much more than we lost when Santorum wasn't re-elected.

We lost nothing when Specter wasn't reelected. I was a huge Specter fan and would have remained a fan if he stayed true to his principles. Instead, he just voted the party line as soon as he became a Democrat. Its a shame a few months will severely tarnish the vast majority of his excellent career in the Senate.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 20):
Sestak says "Something happend, but I am not giving any details." That in and of itself sounds fishy. What does Sestak have to hide? What is he doing with his right hand while he is getting everyone to look at his left?

First of all, Sestak has to win a general election and Obama's help may be useful, despite recent evidence to the contrary. Assuming that this is illegal or, at the very least, questionable, I don't think his new Democratic peers in Congress are going to like him for getting Obama into hot water.
 
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Wed May 26, 2010 2:55 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Technically you might be right - he hasn't said it in complete sentences. But he did answer a very direct question.

Again: Back in February. All he has said out of all the interviews is "The Obama administraion offered me a job." That's it. No one has said what that job is or when it was offered. Could it have been offered when he told someone close to the administration he was thinking about running and had not officialy announced? Or, could he just be making the whole thing up? Or, could the administration have offered him a job because he announced? Or, could the administration offered him a job and, coincidintally, he announced he was running and someone in the administration said "Well, if you take this post, you will have to give up running for Senate."?
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Wed May 26, 2010 3:14 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
Again: Back in February. All he has said out of all the interviews is "The Obama administraion offered me a job." That's it

Stop the BS. He was asked, point blank, "Were you ever offered a federal job to get out of this race?". He answered "Yes". That is the federal crime right there.

Your questions about which job was offered and the exact date are immaterial, but considering Sestak is a sitting congressman, the job would be Cabinet-level or maybe just below that, and timing was obviously pretty recent.
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Wed May 26, 2010 3:15 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 23):
Again: Back in February. All he has said out of all the interviews is "The Obama administraion offered me a job." That's it. No one has said what that job is or when it was offered. Could it have been offered when he told someone close to the administration he was thinking about running and had not officialy announced? Or, could he just be making the whole thing up? Or, could the administration have offered him a job because he announced? Or, could the administration offered him a job and, coincidintally, he announced he was running and someone in the administration said "Well, if you take this post, you will have to give up running for Senate."?

Or could the administration have just screwed up and offered him the job to get out of the race? Is there just that possibility in this Chicago politics laden White House?
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Wed May 26, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 25):
Or could the administration have just screwed up and offered him the job to get out of the race? Is there just that possibility in this Chicago politics laden White House?

Ugh, ugh, no way. Not with Obama. He's brought a new level of government transparency...it's called opaque, or maybe obtuse?
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Thu May 27, 2010 12:01 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 25):
Or could the administration have just screwed up and offered him the job to get out of the race?

Or that. There are any number of possiblities to this story since no one is saying anything about it. I know there is a lot of hatred toward anyone on the left, but people have to admit this whole thing sounds funny. What was that Hitchcock movie with Jimmy Stewart? Rear Window? Sometimes, things are not what they appear.
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Thu May 27, 2010 11:23 am

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 16):
there's nothing wrong with offering a job to anyone
Quoting seb146 (Reply 20):
Again: how is any of this wrong?

It depends how they made the job offer. "The President would be honored if you would serve as his Sec. of Navy" or "Get out of the PA race and will give you uh uh uh job as uh uh uh Sec. of Navy" Personally, I don't think the Obama WH is classy enough for the former.

I also bet some flag officers are breathing easier after they allowed Sestak to "retire"
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Thu May 27, 2010 1:23 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
I know there is a lot of hatred toward anyone on the left, but people have to admit this whole thing sounds funny.

Well then that hatred must also be harbored inside Dick Durbin, that hard core neoconservative Senator from Illinois!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-about-job-offer/?fbid=wLqQazhuvUP

Interesting that our AG, prized for wanting justice above all costs has already nixed any type of independent prosecutor looking into the matter.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt...ghtrib/news/regional/s_683122.html

Asked for a response to the letter, Laura Sweeney, a Justice Department spokeswoman, referred to an earlier denial for a special prosecutor.

In a May 21 letter to Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the ranking minority member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich said the Justice Department "takes very seriously allegations of criminal conduct by public officials," but it has "a long history of handling investigations of high-level officials professionally and independently, without the need to appoint a special counsel."



I really don't think any crime was committed when they talked to Sestak, but since then the administration has made the whole situation look far more sinister than they have needed too. Perhaps the administration and the Justice department would be best served by being reminded of the old saying "It's not the crime, but the coverup, that will get you" from the Nixon days. Just open up and let the chips fall where they may.
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Thu May 27, 2010 2:35 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 27):
Sometimes, things are not what they appear.

And sometimes they are.
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Thu May 27, 2010 3:36 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
I don't think the Obama WH is classy enough for the former.

No one on the right believes anyone on the left has any class. Like clearing brush and swilling cheap beer is the only way to show class. Nope. The current administration has never ever been nor will it ever be classy in any way, shape or form. *rolls eyes*

So, according to you there is no way in any parallel universe or anyone's wildest dreams that the WH went to Sestak and said "Good luck with the primary. We need a leader for the Navy, if that doesn't work out." Riiiiiight.... no class at all.....

Quoting dxing (Reply 29):
Well then that hatred must also be harbored inside Dick Durbin, that hard core neoconservative Senator from Illinois!

Exactly! If you bothered to read the article, it is Durbin who, like everyone else, puts the burden of proof on the one who made the claim: Sestak! Sestak said: "something happened, but that is all I am saying about it. No details just that it happened." That does not sound fishy to anyone on the right? Is the hatred of all things left so great that the only thing any of you can see is hatred of the left? That's what it sounds like to me.
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Thu May 27, 2010 3:54 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 31):
So, according to you there is no way in any parallel universe or anyone's wildest dreams that the WH went to Sestak and said "Good luck with the primary. We need a leader for the Navy, if that doesn't work out." Riiiiiight.... no class at all.....

Yes, which is why we want it investigated. The scenario you propose would also be illegal.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 31):
Exactly! If you bothered to read the article, it is Durbin who, like everyone else, puts the burden of proof on the one who made the claim: Sestak! Sestak said: "something happened, but that is all I am saying about it. No details just that it happened." That does not sound fishy to anyone on the right?

You forget that not only did Sestak make the claim, but nobody in the administration has ever denied it. It's very simple - if Sestak's claim is true, then a felony has been committed. The fact that there have been no denials indicates that even the administration knows that it is a crime. The administration is now stuck. If they deny everything, they would be calling Sestak a liar and he will respond be revealing who made the offer, and the administration will be caught lying. Their solution seems to be to circle the wagons with Sestak and hope the press eventually loses interest. That should not be allowed to happen.
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Thu May 27, 2010 4:28 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 31):
Exactly! If you bothered to read the article, it is Durbin who, like everyone else, puts the burden of proof on the one who made the claim: Sestak! Sestak said: "something happened, but that is all I am saying about it.

And if you had bothered to read the entire article you would have read in the last paragraph (bold is mine):

Durbin said the White House can provide details after Sestak explains himself.
"Congressman Sestak raised the issue," Durbin said. "If there's been some confusion, I hope he can make the facts as clear as possible. Then, as far as the administration is concerned, they will react to that."


Which means he expects to hear an explanation from the White House as well as from Sestak. Disturbing is his wording that the WH should "react" to whatever Sestak says. How about if they just tell the truth as it happened Dick?
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Thu May 27, 2010 6:10 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 31):
Exactly! If you bothered to read the article, it is Durbin who, like everyone else, puts the burden of proof on the one who made the claim: Sestak! Sestak said: "something happened, but that is all I am saying about it. No details just that it happened." That does not sound fishy to anyone on the right? Is the hatred of all things left so great that the only thing any of you can see is hatred of the left? That's what it sounds like to me.

You've left out one important detail, again. When asked a direct question on whether he had been offered the job in return for dropping out of the primary, he answered "yes". Can't get much clearer than that.
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Thu May 27, 2010 7:48 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 34):
You've left out one important detail, again. When asked a direct question on whether he had been offered the job in return for dropping out of the primary, he answered "yes". Can't get much clearer than that.

And you left out one important detail again: He said *in February* he was offered a job at some point before February. No one is questioning whether or not a job was offered. When is the question and under what circumstances. Possibly this scenario:

Sestak has Naval experience. So, when Obama was forming his administration, he asked Sestak to be Sec of Navy. Sestak declined, but, during the primary, he thought "This would be a real boost if I can show everyone Obama had faith in me even though he endorsed Specter." So, he started telling everyone in February "Obama offered me a job in the past." Since no one is saying anything, the hatred from the right is premature, as always.
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Thu May 27, 2010 8:18 pm

At his first press conference in 308 days while claiming credit for the plugged Gulf leak, Obama was asked about Sestak and he replied "We'll get back to you on that" What's wrong with a simple "No, I never offered Sestak a job."
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Thu May 27, 2010 8:28 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 35):

Sestak has Naval experience. So, when Obama was forming his administration, he asked Sestak to be Sec of Navy. Sestak declined, but, during the primary, he thought "This would be a real boost if I can show everyone Obama had faith in me even though he endorsed Specter." So, he started telling everyone in February "Obama offered me a job in the past." Since no one is saying anything, the hatred from the right is premature, as always.

Grasping at straws, aren't you. He has been repeatedly asked whether he was offered a job IF HE DROPPED THE RACE. That means it had to be after August 4th of last year, when he announced his run for Spector's seat.

Read the law. It's pretty clear that if he was offered the job after he declared his candidacy, in return for dropping out of the race, that federal law has been violated.
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RE: Obama Offered Sestak A Job?

Thu May 27, 2010 9:37 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 36):
At his first press conference in 308 days while claiming credit for the plugged Gulf leak, Obama was asked about Sestak and he replied "We'll get back to you on that" What's wrong with a simple "No, I never offered Sestak a job."



I have caught a replay of that when questioned about the job offer to Admiral Sestak.

I was waiting on the "I am not a crook"

There obviously are problems here, White House Bob has been dancing around the question for weeks and Obama dancing around the question today. Obama knew he would be asked that question today as the offer to Admiral Sestak has been in the news for weeks. Since we did not get a simple "No" then we can assume that it means "Yes". Not looking good.

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Thu May 27, 2010 11:18 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 37):
Grasping at straws, aren't you.

I have read the links over and over and over and over and over and have yet to see anywhere where Sestak says "the administration offered me a job if I drop out." All I have seen in every single link is "they offered me a job." Nothing more. Nothing less. Because nither Sestak nor the White House are saying anything more, it is the right who is reading too much into this. Who is grasping at straws? I seem to recall a time under a previous administration where questioning the work of the president was grounds for treason and reason for being called a terrorist and un-American. Why now? Why this issue? Are you all terrorists? Why are you all hell-bent on destroying America and all the freedoms we love and enjoy? Why can't you all simply support the president instead of questioning his every move and hating him when he is doing his patriotic duty?
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Fri May 28, 2010 12:21 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 39):

I have read the links over and over and over and over and over and have yet to see anywhere where Sestak says "the administration offered me a job if I drop out."

Jeezus H fricken...

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
"Were you ever offered a federal job to get out of this race?" Kane asked near the end of the 30-minute interview.

"Yes," Sestak answered.

Direct answer to a direct question.
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Fri May 28, 2010 4:23 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 40):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
"Were you ever offered a federal job to get out of this race?" Kane asked near the end of the 30-minute interview.

"Yes," Sestak answered.

Direct answer to a direct question.

And this points to Obama...... how? He says one time he was offered a federal job to drop out of the race. Funny how nothing else, NOT ONE WORD, has been said beyond that. BY ANYONE. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Over and out. Not even when. Go ahead, Glenn Beck, get out your chalkboard and start drawing lines all over the place. Don't forget to include Nazis in there somewhere. Jeez.....
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Fri May 28, 2010 4:25 am

Quoting seb146 (Reply 39):
Who is grasping at straws?

You are. Apparently, it's easier to divert attention away from this by referencing the previous administration than to admit that this administration might have actually done something wrong. For a president that was all about "hope and change" there doesn't seem to be much change involved. Just politics, from either side, as usual. What happened to this administrations "transparency" that was so highly touted? All I see is that this president learned very well at the feet of the Daley machine in Chicago and is using those methods, right now.
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Fri May 28, 2010 9:34 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 34):
When asked a direct question on whether he had been offered the job in return for dropping out of the primary, he answered "yes". Can't get much clearer than that.

I think Sestak just wanted to tell the peeps that the Obama Regime saw him as a threat and could easily beat Specter (which he did). Not thinking that he was accusing Obama of commiting a crime. He is now between a rock and a hard place. Of course they'll both come out and say it was all a misunderstanding. Nothing to see here move along.
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Fri May 28, 2010 11:48 am

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 43):
I think Sestak just wanted to tell the peeps that the Obama Regime saw him as a threat and could easily beat Specter (which he did). Not thinking that he was accusing Obama of commiting a crime. He is now between a rock and a hard place. Of course they'll both come out and say it was all a misunderstanding. Nothing to see here move along.

That does not make sense. If Sestak made it all up, then the administration would have denied the conversation ever happened.
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Fri May 28, 2010 2:42 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 42):
You are. Apparently, it's easier to divert attention away from this by referencing the previous administration than to admit that this administration might have actually done something wrong.

Oh, for the love of.... Look, even I have said that anything (including breaking the law) could have happened. It has nothing at all to do with diversion. I was simply pointing out a fact. I know the right does not like facts supporting the "other evil side" being brought up, but that is the way it happened.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 44):
That does not make sense. If Sestak made it all up, then the administration would have denied the conversation ever happened.

Here is another scenario for the haters (a.k.a "right-wing"): Some person thinking Sestak might be a threat, made a job offer to Sestak without anyone else in the administraion knowing. Not Gibbs, not Obama, not Emannuel, no one in the administration. Just a lone wolf out there doing what s/he thought was saving the party. Now, Gibbs and Obama are stumbling around because they didn't know this was going on. Just one possibility. Since we don't know because no one (still not even Sestak) is saying anything, we don't know. All you on the right can speculate all the hate you want, but it really could be innocent,as much as you all don't want that.
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Fri May 28, 2010 2:57 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 45):
Some person thinking Sestak might be a threat,

= Billy Clinton .... what perfect cover for the legal council I have to give it to em ... they are creative.
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Fri May 28, 2010 3:15 pm

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= Billy Clinton

Breaking on AP and NBC News.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37381922/ns/politics-white_house/

Bill Clinton was the White House contact that approached Sestak and offered him a position (unpaid, yeah right) to drop his bid against Spector.

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Fri May 28, 2010 3:40 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 45):

Here is another scenario for the haters (a.k.a "right-wing"): Some person thinking Sestak might be a threat, made a job offer to Sestak without anyone else in the administraion knowing. Not Gibbs, not Obama, not Emannuel,

so now that it's come out that President Clinton, at Emmanuels request, on behalf of President Obama, approached Sestak, are you less solid on your claims of "nothing to see here"?

At the very least it's one more lie/broken campaign promise by President Obama, so much for "no more business as usual" in DC....
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RE: Obama Offered Sestak A Job?

Fri May 28, 2010 3:49 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 45):
All you on the right can speculate all the hate you want, but it really could be innocent,as much as you all don't want that.

Just as you are speculating.


BTW, all of us that are speculating on this are not all, necessarily, "right-wing", as you state. For some reason, you all label anyone that doesn't agree with you as right wing when nothing could be further from the truth. There's plenty of us, in the middle, that don't agree with you, either.

Quoting fxramper (Reply 47):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37381922/ns/politics-white_house/

Bill Clinton was the White House contact that approached Sestak and offered him a position (unpaid, yeah right) to drop his bid against Spector.

Rather ambiguous article, but considering the source, I guess that's all that could be expected.
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