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Tue May 25, 2010 12:38 pm

BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands
As Oil Hits Marshes, Exasperation With BP and the Federal Government Grows


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As thick oil flows into the sensitive marshes of the Louisiana coast, Gov. Bobby Jindal called on the White House and BP today to either stop the oil spill or get out of his way.

Gov. Bobby Jindal warns BP and the White House to help or get out of his way.Jindal is still waiting for the federal government to provide millions of feet in boom and to approve an emergency permit for a state plan to dredge and build new barrier islands to keep the oil from reaching the marshes and wetlands.

Jindal is so desperate for the islands, he's said he'll build them even if it sends him to jail.

"We've been frustrated with the disjointed effort to date that has too often meant too little, too late for the oil hitting our coast," Jindal said.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spil...obby-jindal-asks/story?id=10731680

NETWORKS BEGIN TO TURN ON OBAMA

ABC's "World News" Reports On Oil Spill: "Anger Is Reserved For Washington

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...er_is_reserved_for_washington.html

CBS' "Evening News" Spends Nearly Half Show On Spill, Focuses On Impatience

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...n_spill_focuses_on_impatience.html

MSNBC's Schultz Turns On Obama: "This Is Now Your Oil Spill"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ma_this_is_now_your_oil_spill.html

Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November.



Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

Overall, 44% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the president's performance. Fifty-four percent (55%) disapprove

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...n/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 12:41 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November.

I'm not an Obama supporter, a Democrat, or a "leftist", but that seems pretty extreme... while Obama is certainly at fault for many other issues, I don't think this should be pinned on Obama.
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 12:45 pm

All Goverment activities are Socialist. What do you think this is France?

Let the private company deal with this. They know what it's best for everyone. Why should MY tax dollars go help Lousiana?
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Tue May 25, 2010 1:07 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 2):
Why should MY tax dollars go help Lousiana?

Federally regulated, federally taxed = federally responsible.

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
while Obama is certainly at fault for many other issues,

Then maybe Obama should explain why he and the Dems where the largest receiver of contributions from BP. And they then received a special exemption from the Adminisrtation last year.

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Last year the Obama administration granted oil giant BP a special exemption from a legal requirement that it produce a detailed environmental impact study on the possible effects of its Deepwater Horizon drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico, an article Wednesday in the Washington Post reveals
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Federal documents show that the Department of the Interior's Minerals Management Service (MMS) gave BP a "categorical exclusion" on April 6, 2009 to commence drilling with Deepwater Horizon even though it had not produced the impact study required by a law known as the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The report would have included probable ecological consequences in the event of a spill
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Tue May 25, 2010 1:12 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 3):

Federally regulated, federally taxed = federally responsible.

So? Arizona took a stand no? using AZ dollars. Let them deal with it.

Quoting windy95 (Reply 3):

Then maybe Obama should explain why he and the Dems where the largest receiver of contributions from BP.

Wait - i though that the Obama was personally responsible for the blow-out in order to further his Socialist Energy Agenda.

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
NETWORKS BEGIN TO TURN ON OBAMA

How is that possible? They only turn on Palin and on Rand Paul.

Next you'll be saying that they were objective with them too,,
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Tue May 25, 2010 1:16 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
So? Arizona took a stand no? using AZ dollars. Let them deal with it.
Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Wait - i though that the Obama was personally responsible for the blow-out in order to further his Socialist Energy Agenda.

Way to deflect...
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 1:18 pm

Quoting windy95 (Reply 5):
Way to deflect...

It true no?

Fine - it's his Katrina. There. Happy..

Now we just need a $5 Trillion war and we will be right were we started...
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Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November

This oil spill wasn't an act of God. It was an accident on a private Drilling platform in the Gulf that was approved years/decades prior to the current administration. The Private Company(BP/TransOcean) and Oil Industry screwed the pooch royally on this one.

Now you can make an argument that the Department of the Interior shares some blame for not properly handling and inspecting the drill site and rigs. However the Government has no expertise in Blowout prevernters at 1 mile below the surface. So the cleanup and the end of the Oil Spill has to come from BP. The Governemnt is incapable and unequiped to handle this spill. Those that believe it should, have no idea what Goverment is for.

This will not be Obama's Katrina. It will be BP and TransOcean's downfall if they can't get this spill stopped and the mess cleaned up.
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Tue May 25, 2010 1:47 pm

Although I don't agree with the lengths that you've taken the argument, it is certainly interesting to see the media not quite following lock and step with the president anymore. While the press conferences were laugh-a-minute Kumbaya affairs before, the media has certainly began to ask some pointed questions recently.
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:09 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league. He and his merry band of socialists/leftists that he has surrounded himself with continures to fail every test so far....Come on November.

Yea, I'm sure he deliberately delayed for the oil spill cleanup. I'm sure Bush would have had the oil spill cleaned up they very same day. Even though the oil companies are baffled at how to stop the leak, it seems as though you as well as the media believe as though Obama should have the answers on how to stop an oil spill. Maybe you yourself can share some advise on how to stop an oil spill.

On the other hand, it was a really nice Bashing post  
Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
This will not be Obama's Katrina. It will be BP and TransOcean's downfall if they can't get this spill stopped and the mess cleaned up.

No you don't understand, the Obama Bashers have overwhelming proof that Obama caused the oil leak himself. There's no possible way that BP shoudl take the blame.
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:11 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 9):

No you don't understand, the Obama Bashers have overwhelming proof that Obama caused the oil leak himself. There's no possible way that BP shoudl take the blame.

Silly you - That was LAST weeks attempt at mud flinging.

You should see what they have prepared for NEXT week..
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:21 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 9):
No you don't understand, the Obama Bashers have overwhelming proof that Obama caused the oil leak himself. There's no possible way that BP shoudl take the blame.

Then the Obama Basher's are not Republican's or Conservatives. They are advocating Government interference in an private field. They are worse than the Socialists and Liberal wieners that they so dispise.
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:29 pm

Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
Looks like the tide is Turning on this adminisrtation. People are finally starting to see Obama for what he was. A professor/community organizer who is out of his league.

So, an international corporation has been drilling for oil for years in international waters and this is all Obama's fault? Why am I not surprised? This is the same line the right has been using since even before he took office. Give me a break. You righties all want the government to stay out of business and people's lives (except the bedroom) but when an oil spill happens, it is the government's fault. Make up your mind.
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Tue May 25, 2010 2:52 pm

Quoting seb146 (Reply 12):
You righties all want the government to stay out of business and people's lives (except the bedroom) but when an oil spill happens, it is the government's fault. Make up your mind.

Most small-government conservatives list protecting citizens as the #1 role of the government. How is asking the government to protect the gulf states from this spill contrary to that belief?

And no one hear seems to understand that most people are upset at the government for the response to the spill, not that it happened in the first place. That is still directed at BP.
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Tue May 25, 2010 3:00 pm

Quoting Elite (Reply 1):
I'm not an Obama supporter, a Democrat, or a "leftist", but that seems pretty extreme... while Obama is certainly at fault for many other issues, I don't think this should be pinned on Obama.

That logic didn't stop some on the left from blaming the former president for blowing up levees and manipulating the weather to direct hurricanes to NOLA's.
 
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Quoting newark777 (Reply 13):
Most small-government conservatives list protecting citizens as the #1 role of the government. How is asking the government to protect the gulf states from this spill contrary to that belief?

Because the government would have to manage it and pay for it. This is big government tasking.

the best bet going forward is to put the pressure on BP and have them pay all the private contractors (Fisherman, shore clean up crews) and the like to get the job done.

The Government tried to do too much with FEMA in New Orleans and the Beauracracy was too slow to help with the fundamental issues that were occurring at too high a pace.
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Quoting casinterest (Reply 11):
Then the Obama Basher's are not Republican's or Conservatives. They are advocating Government interference in an private field. They are worse than the Socialists and Liberal wieners that they so dispise.

Not GOP or conservative? Excuse me while I laugh.....
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Tue May 25, 2010 3:37 pm

You can put all the political spin that you want on this but answer me this.

Why are the oil producers in the GOM being assessed an .08 per barrel tax for the government to buy spill response equipment and supplies and did not spend one penny not one cent for spill response and equipment but spent the money for pork barrel projects elsewhere.

This week congress wants to quadruple that assessment to .33 per barrel for equipment and supplies and in your face says that they are using it for another unfunded, unsustainable, pork barrel bill to be funded by the spill response assessment.

Where the heck is the disgust? Why there is none because "We the People" who vote these politicians into office are not holding the elected representatives accountable.


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I can't see how you can blame Obama or think he can have done anything different. I think the biggest issue lies much longer ago. How we can drill that deep and give licenses to rigs and not have a way to stop a leak at that depth? I can't believe that as this oil is gushing out we are trying to invent ways to stop it as we go along. Scary.
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Tue May 25, 2010 4:01 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 17):
Why are the oil producers in the GOM being assessed an .08 per barrel tax for the government to buy spill response equipment and supplies and did not spend one penny not one cent for spill response and equipment but spent the money for pork barrel projects elsewhere.


Let's be clear about this, the oil producers don't pay this tax - they just pass it along to consumers. When the tax quadruples under the current proposal, their income won't shrink, but the price of gas will go up.
 
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Quoting gatorfan (Reply 19):
Let's be clear about this, the oil producers don't pay this tax - they just pass it along to consumers. When the tax quadruples under the current proposal, their income won't shrink, but the price of gas will go up.



That is my point exactly we have paid for equipment and supplies to be in place, none was bought.

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Tue May 25, 2010 4:35 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 6):
Fine - it's his Katrina. There. Happy..



For the record ,,, I do not support the rising voices saying this.

To those who are saying this .... Stop it already this is not about Obama's Katrina.... its stupid and juvenile . Could things be done better by the Fed of course .... but this once again proves that the Fed does not have the power our citizens think they do . They are mostly helpless .... they just sell us the bill and take our money .... but are pretty much impotent to do much else.

President Obama can not steer this ship of fools any better than any other bureaucrat ... he is not leader in the least he is a lawyer who rode the rails to power . He is a lawyer not a leader ... but this is not his fault .
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Tue May 25, 2010 4:36 pm

If, as the Bush haters claimed, 9/11 was Bush's fault because it happened on his watch, then yes, this is Obama's oil spill. His federal agency was lax on inspections and procedures.

I'm not really one to play the blame game, but there is no doubt, this was preventable.
 
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 21):
he is not leader in the least he is a lawyer who rode the rails to power . He is a lawyer not a leader ... but this is not his fault .

Who is a leader, if you don't consider Obama one then I have no idea what clasification Bush would get.

I don't even think it's BP's fault, Transocean should carry most of the blame for this since they are the rig owners and operators.
 
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Quoting windy95 (Thread starter):
BP Oil Spill: Gov. Jindal Asks for Permission to Build Barrier Islands
As Oil Hits Marshes, Exasperation With BP and the Federal Government Grows



That will take a 5 year environmental impact study, the environmentalist will be up in arms if they proceed to build the barriers without an impact study.

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Let's not confuse fault with responsibility.

The events which caused this disaster are not President Obama's fault. However, as President, they are his responsibility.
 
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Quoting gatorfan (Reply 25):



Ultimately it is the operators responsibility to prepare for these events . Deep water drilling is complex work .... they should have foreseen this event happening and prepared a solution . I mean ... they had no plan for the well head separating ? Come on ?... it would have to be like number 1 on the list of possible events to plan for and contain . A separation event of the rig from the well head would seem to me to be a single point of disaster planning . But hey .. who am I ....

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Who is a leader, if you don't consider Obama one then I have no idea what classification Bush would get.



I know you don't ... so I will spare you my argument.
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):
Ultimately it is the operators responsibility to prepare for these events . Deep water drilling is complex work .... they should have foreseen this event happening and prepared a solution . I mean ... they had no plan for the well head separating ? Come on ?... it would have to be like number 1 on the list of possible events to plan for and contain . A separation event of the rig from the well head would seem to me to be a single point of disaster planning . But hey .. who am I ....

Absolutely. But the reason regulatory oversight exists is because private enterprise DOES NOT always act in the best long-term interest of society. If corporations could always be expected to do the right thing, there'd be no need for regulatory oversight. As the chief executive of the United States, the President bears the responsibility for the actions and inactions of his/her government's agencies.

After 9/11 I believe W should have fired his Director of FBI, Director of CIA, National Security Advisor and called for the resignation of the Chairperson and ranking minority members of the House and Senate intelligence committees. Why? Because whether or not they knew what was in the works, there job was to know that and they obviously failed. As long as failure carries with it no consequence, nothing will change.
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 6:20 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 16):
Not GOP or conservative? Excuse me while I laugh.....

The point I made may be a bit over your perception. Much like those that are looking to scapegoat Obama in the same way Bush and the Federal Governement got scapegoated for boondoggling the aftermath of Katrina.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):
I mean ... they had no plan for the well head separating ? Come on

They did have a plan. It involved failsafes. Failsafes that weren't prorperly functioning and inspected.
If the blowout preventer had done it's job, none of this would have happened and 11 people would still be alive.
There were multiple points of failure and BP has the responsibility of paying the price for what happened and working the cleanup.


Getting the Feds involved will not help as they have no disaster management team in place that can deal with the oil spill. BP is already doing what needs to be done. Recruit those in the local areas affected to patrol and clean up the oil. BP is funding it and doing their job.
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Tue May 25, 2010 6:22 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
Who is a leader, if you don't consider Obama one then I have no idea what clasification Bush would get.

I truly feel empathy for those who see a leader in Obama. God have mercy on them. This mess isn't Obama's fault, but like others have said, it is his responsibility. And he's managing this about as well as he's acted as King Obama the last 17 months he's been in office. I can only imagine the Liberal whiners if Bush was in office. That kind of hypocrisy really makes one sick.
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Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):
I know you don't ... so I will spare you my argument.

Then why bring it up other than to just stir the pot?
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
I truly feel empathy for those who see a leader in Obama.

We don't need the right's empathy thank you very much. Whether Obama's opponents think of him as a leader is immaterial to those of us who know that he is.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
God have mercy on them.

No thank you.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
I can only imagine the Liberal whiners if Bush was in office. That kind of hypocrisy really makes one sick.

Oh please! Let's cut the drama shall we? Hypocrisy exists on both sides of the aisle.

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Tue May 25, 2010 6:30 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 13):

Most small-government conservatives list protecting citizens as the #1 role of the government. How is asking the government to protect the gulf states from this spill contrary to that belief?

because they're very picky about their definition of "protect." If it's regulating polluting businesses, then it's socialism and a violation of the Constitution and human rights and worse than the Holocaust, Rwandan Genocide, and the Gulag all combined. But as soon as one of those polluting businesses stuffs up and something like this happens, then they all want the government to come in and do something.

It's very inconsistent to keep braying about allowing the free market to regulate itself, but then to turn to the government when that free market spills vast quantities of crude oil into the Gulf.

As it happens, the government doesn't have the equipment to deal with this; that's BP's job. Obama is not a petroleum engineer or geologist.

Could they be doing a better job? Of course they could. I'm hardly calling the current Administration's response stellar, but at least they aren't completely ignoring it.

Let this be a very strong lesson: we humans can do big things, and we can also do big damage. Yet our brains have not caught up to the magnitude of the things that we can do. So humans tend to try to maximize their own interests in the short term, while not thinking in the long term. This is why regulation and a strong government of the People is necessary.
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Tue May 25, 2010 6:38 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 30):
We don't need the right's empathy thank you very much. Whether Obama's opponents think of him as a leader is immaterial to those of us who know that he is.

Ok you're right-You can't fix s***d!

Quoting OA412 (Reply 30):
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
God have mercy on them.

No thank you.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 30):
Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
I can only imagine the Liberal whiners if Bush was in office. That kind of hypocrisy really makes one sick.

Oh please! Let's cut the drama shall we? Hypocrisy exists on both sides of the aisle.

Never said it didn't. But just how would the left act if this happened under Bush's watch? Obama, like everything else he's attempted to control, has failed on the handling of this. Furthermore, if the regulations for deep offshore drilling were too lax, then one gathers Obama must have known about the lax regulations since he has been the POTUS for over 17 months. Once again, Obama has failed at attempting to be a leader. Moving along...
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):

     Very well said Doc. I agree with all of your points. You either believe in protecting citizens or you do not. You cannot simply pick and choose and say I'm a small government conservative only when it suits my intersts.
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Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):
But just how would the left act if this happened under Bush's watch?

Well, Obama has yet to say "Heck of job Brownie..."
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Tue May 25, 2010 6:50 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
Could they be doing a better job? Of course they could. I'm hardly calling the current Administration's response stellar, but at least they aren't completely ignoring it.

Fair enough, but did you honestly expect the government to ignore something of this magnitude? This is too big to ignore.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
This is why regulation and a strong government of the People is necessary.

Capitalism has to have some constraints, but line between out of control Capitalism, and over-regulated Socialism/Communism is apparently pretty slim. I'd rather live in a completely free Capitalist society personally than a completely bureaucratically bloated socialist society many around the world. And a strong government is a must, but that has nothing to do with the size of government. If our government was honest and competent, it could be cut in half. But that's about as likely to happen as Obama's promised Utopia.
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Tue May 25, 2010 6:50 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
I can't see how you can blame Obama or think he can have done anything different. I think the biggest issue lies much longer ago. How we can drill that deep and give licenses to rigs and not have a way to stop a leak at that depth? I can't believe that as this oil is gushing out we are trying to invent ways to stop it as we go along. Scary.

      

I can't believe I'm doing this, but for once I totally agree with you. It is remarkable that there was no contingency (or at least acceptable contingency) in place for such a catastrophe. Oil has been spewing out into the ocean for the better part of 40 days now, which is ridiculous given the technology we have.

It is scary indeed.

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Tue May 25, 2010 6:56 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):
Ok you're right-You can't fix s***d!

Please don't patronize and me and don't ever call me stupid. I certainly afforded you that bit of respect. You do not know me, and you certainly do not know my background. It tells me a great deal about your character when you're so willing to label someone as stupid simply because they disagree with you, or simply because they are unwilling to view the world as you see it.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):
I'm sorry you feel that way.

Don't be.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 32):
Never said it didn't. But just how would the left act if this happened under Bush's watch? Obama, like everything else he's attempted to control, has failed on the handling of this. Furthermore, if the regulations for deep offshore drilling were too lax, then one gathers Obama must have known about the lax regulations since he has been the POTUS for over 17 months. Once again, Obama has failed at attempting to be a leader. Moving along...

How has Obama failed at the handling of the BP spill? Was his response as good as it should have been? Probably not, but that it was a failure is not quite certain.

And by the way, some of you guys on the right talk about all of the left wing hypocrisy and whining and then then some of you come up with things like this. Obama failed as a leader because as President he "must have known" about las regulations related to offshore drilling? OK, Bush failed as a leader becase as President he should have known that the levies in New Orleans would not strong enough to withstand a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude, and he did nothing about it. One again, Bush failed at attempting to be a leader. My argument is just as simplistic as the one you have presented. One cannot always accurately predict what will happen as a result of lax regulations or poor construction. You do the best you can with the card that you are dealt, and you attempt to right the wrongs that have been committed by tightening up regulations, etc.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 34):
Well, Obama has yet to say "Heck of job Brownie..."

That's for sure!!!
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Tue May 25, 2010 7:09 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 31):
As it happens, the government doesn't have the equipment to deal with this; that's BP's job



Respectfully, you and I paid for it where is it?

The congress, right now is in the process of passing a bill to quadruple the spill response assessment to fund an earmark bill in the middle of this ecological disaster right in your face.

If you a ecologically inclined then you would be up in arms and calling your congressman about this diversion of revenue, otherwise one can only assume that politics are your main concern.

Off my rant now, but I am not feeling better.

Yes I feel that BP's job here but there were supposed to be additional equipment and supplies to supplement the response. That would give the federal, state, and local governments some control over the priorities to which areas they would want to control the spill.

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Tue May 25, 2010 7:10 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 37):
Quoting mt99 (Reply 34):
Well, Obama has yet to say "Heck of job Brownie..."

That's for sure!!!

And that was part of the fallout from Katrina.. being out of touch...
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:31 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 26):
I know you don't ... so I will spare you my argument.

I'm no fan of Obama, I'm happy that he's not my leader, I just don't think he's as big an idiot as the bloke before him, besides he was handed a crappy deal by the last guy, I'm pretty sure if the other guy won the current situation in the US wouldn't be any better.

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 29):
I truly feel empathy for those who see a leader in Obama. God have mercy on them. This mess isn't Obama's fault, but like others have said, it is his responsibility.

As above I wouldn't have voted for him, neither would I have voted for the other guy either, anyway you look at it he's got to stand head and shoulders above Bush, the only bloke I would have voted for is Clinton and she ain't a bloke but shows more guts and leadership than most people in the US.

I also don't see why this is any more his responsiblity that someone spilling a litre of oil in their kitchen. The people who are responsible are BP, Transocean and the regulating authourities, isn't that how it's supposed to work in the free market, private companies are supposed to self regulate, isn't that the model the US has been pushing on the world for decades?
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:37 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 37):
Please don't patronize and me and don't ever call me stupid. I certainly afforded you that bit of respect. You do not know me, and you certainly do not know my background. It tells me a great deal about your character when you're so willing to label someone as stupid simply because they disagree with you, or simply because they are unwilling to view the world as you see it.

Well I wasn't trying to call you stupid-just being a smart ass, however you're right. My apologies. Though you obviously could not tell through the computer, I was trying to be a bit of a smart ass. Once again, my apologies.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 37):
Obama failed as a leader because as President he "must have known" about las regulations related to offshore drilling? OK, Bush failed as a leader becase as President he should have known that the levies in New Orleans would not strong enough to withstand a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude, and he did nothing about it.

That's not how I said he's failed. It's as if he's done nothing but business as usual for him. Demonize demonize demonize. He made BP look like they were only to blame. His handling of it has seemed just very weak.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 37):
One again, Bush failed at attempting to be a leader. My argument is just as simplistic as the one you have presented. One cannot always accurately predict what will happen as a result of lax regulations or poor construction.

Bush was the ultimate scapegoat for the left and you know it. When it doubt, blame Bush.
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:41 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 41):
. He made BP look like they were only to blame.

Well.. hmm. .who else is?

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 41):
Demonize demonize demonize. He made BP look like they were only to blame.

Wait - i though Obama was letting BP a pass because he sold his soul to them for contributions.. You guys really need to get your conspiracy theories straight!

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 41):

Bush was the ultimate scapegoat for the left and you know it. When it doubt, blame Bush.

Ok. This is Bush Fault too. .. there happy?
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:41 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 37):
Obama failed as a leader because as President he "must have known" about las regulations related to offshore drilling?



No he failed as a leader because he came out blaming everyone else and never once had any solution or even acted like he had a solution . He really believes in the power of the central government ...his only action being the boot on the neck idea. He believes that if he wields the threatening power of Washington that the little people will jump to action.... epic fail in that idea.

Hey Dems ... grab the spoon hold your nose and just take it.. You guys were on the neck of President Bush from the moment Katrina hit . You used it as a political howitzer to gain the African American voters .... The President even used it as a campaign issue of how unfair the republicans are to minorities . Outrageous !

And I don't even think the President should be blamed for this .... its not fair. I understand the government can not save us from much of anything . Now if he wants to pull his promised "ocean trick" he made at his inauguration ...now would be a good time for it. "This is the day the ocean's stop rising "...   
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:46 pm

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 36):
I can't believe I'm doing this, but for once I totally agree with you. It is remarkable that there was no contingency (or at least acceptable contingency) in place for such a catastrophe. Oil has been spewing out into the ocean for the better part of 40 days now, which is ridiculous given the technology we have.

There were contingencies, problem is they were not working and the companies in charge as well as the Federal agency overseeing them did not do their job. This was a preventable accident.
 
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:48 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 40):
I would have voted for is Clinton and she ain't a bloke but shows more guts and leadership than most people in the US.

Well she ruined herself permanently when she toured the US proclaiming Obama to be unqualified and unfit to be president, then turned right around and not only backed him, but is his Sec. Of State. Talk about lack of courage, lack of character.

Back on point,

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 40):
The people who are responsible are BP, Transocean and the regulating authourities, isn't that how it's supposed to work in the free market, private companies are supposed to self regulate, isn't that the model the US has been pushing on the world for decades?

Ok then, tell me the difference in how Bush responded to Katrina? That was a natural disaster. What's the difference between what happened in NOLA, and to folks who loses their homes due to tornado? Yet the left demonized Bush for how he handled Katrina. If it's simply a matter of scale as to when the Feds get involved, then I'd say it's beyond BP and Transocean's responsibility. If it's not a matter of scale, then those who demonized Bush need to start sending apology letters for blaming Katrina on him. Furthermore, what about the floods that recently happened here in Nashville, TN (where I live), which Obama said virtually nothing of-even tho it's one of, if not the most expensive non hurricane related disaster in US history.
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Tue May 25, 2010 8:53 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 42):
Wait - i though Obama was letting BP a pass because he sold his soul to them for contributions.. You guys really need to get your conspiracy theories straight!

There are no theories first of all-it's public knowledge that Obama got serious contributions from BP and the likes. Second of all, the there is a contradiction, the contradiction runs within Obama's administration. Like how they handled Wall Street and the bonuses. Obama was particularly in bed with Wall Street.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 43):

Great post!  checkmark  I agree that the accident is NOT Obama's fault. I just get tired of the demonizing. It's his only solution.

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Tue May 25, 2010 8:56 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 46):
There are no theories first of all-it's public knowledge that Obama got serious contributions from BP and the likes.

Right - but then "some" say that they have left BP alone because he is paying them back for the donations, and you have "others" that complain that he is treating them too harshly.

What is it?

Pick a crazy theory and stick to it.
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Tue May 25, 2010 9:03 pm

Quoting EA772LR (Reply 46):
I just get tired of the demonizing. It's his only solution.

Look at the Non-Av threads today:

- Obama Says No to Securing Border
- Obama Kartrina
- Obamas Watergate

Is that not demonizing?

Is that your only solution?
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Tue May 25, 2010 9:04 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 43):

No he failed as a leader because he came out blaming everyone else and never once had any solution or even acted like he had a solution . He really believes in the power of the central government ...his only action being the boot on the neck idea. He believes that if he wields the threatening power of Washington that the little people will jump to action.... epic fail in that idea.

How is he supposed to have a solution? I fail to see how a Lawyer from Harvard Law school turned President would have a solution on how to stop a deep see oil leak. He sent people down to the gulf coast as fast as he could (although not enough), please provide details as to how he could have handled it better, since you seem to know.
I think he was way too lax in terms of his reaction to the spill, however BP and transocean did downplay the severity of the spill after it happened, and they should be severely punished because of it. I don't think he sent enough people to overlook the oil spill. That being said, he needs to make it a top priority right now that this spill gets taken care of as soon as possible.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 37):
And by the way, some of you guys on the right talk about all of the left wing hypocrisy and whining and then then some of you come up with things like this. Obama failed as a leader because as President he "must have known" about las regulations related to offshore drilling? OK, Bush failed as a leader becase as President he should have known that the levies in New Orleans would not strong enough to withstand a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude, and he did nothing about it. One again, Bush failed at attempting to be a leader. My argument is just as simplistic as the one you have presented. One cannot always accurately predict what will happen as a result of lax regulations or poor construction. You do the best you can with the card that you are dealt, and you attempt to right the wrongs that have been committed by tightening up regulations, etc.

           
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