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"Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:47 am

Those who own an Apple (AAPL) iPhone be prepared to have your head explode. Highly regarded think-tank consultant Strand Consult has just released a report that may send shock waves through the iPeople. Apple iPhone users are a tad delusional and many even lie to protect their iPhones.

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2009/1...ne-customers-are-delusional-liars/

Actually I find that easy to believe.. I have an iPhone myself, and I know many others that have iPhones as well. Some of those can't take criticism of the iPhone, or they will start defending it at all costs, regarding specs, durability, etc.

I felt kind of the same way when I had a MacBook Pro.

Is Apple really brainwashing its users?
 
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:08 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
Is Apple really brainwashing its users?

I was never that bothered about Apple products ... until last Saturday when I bought the iPad, I have to say my first Apple product and Im really impressed. Sure it cant do some things you can you on a Netbook but the other features more than make up for it. For email/internet/Apps on the move it beats the Netbook. Ive had two netbooks and the slimline,10hour battery on the iPad is second to none. Also the staff in the Apple stores are so helpful and always willing to talk you through. I asked the guy a simple question that I probably could have searched for myself and he took me over to the demo area and talked me through the whole thing. Im that impressed by the product/service/after care etc.. that im now looking at a iMac for Christmas and Apple TV. Also going to get the new iPhone 4G/HD when it comes out.

Before I buy the iMac I need to make sure it does everything I need it to but been looking at demo videos and reviews and so far so good.

Watching HD Movies on the iPad is amazing, two collegues at work are buying them after seeing mine. I guess if you have a good quality product it sells itself.

I know there is the usual A v M sides here but I dont get involved in that and I dont have any side to which Im a fan of but the Apple products are well made and look sleek.
 
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:01 pm

Sounds typical. I do like Macs for the simple fact is they are not as prone to viruses. Otherwise, I don't care one way or the other. I think, however, with all this to-do about the iPad and the iPhone 4.0 and all the other iStuff, there will probably be more viruses written for Macs. This report might boost that.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:10 pm

Yawn. Conventional flame/click bait, nothing else.
 
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:36 pm

^ Agree.

If Apple was making things wrong, no Stockholm syndrome would make people spend $$$$ time and time again on useless products.

But as a 29 year apple user maybe I have been hostage longer than I care to admit!
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 3:47 pm

How can the dude be considered a highly regarded think-tank consultant when he actually spends his time on stuff like this?

It's on par with "How do you hang your bathroom tissue? Over or Under?"
 
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:32 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
How can the dude be considered a highly regarded think-tank consultant when he actually spends his time on stuff like this?

Not a paid gov't study, is it?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
It's on par with "How do you hang your bathroom tissue? Over or Under?"

Over. Under isn't as aesthically pleasing as over. I've gone both ways.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:59 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):
Over. Under isn't as aesthically pleasing as over. I've gone both ways.

  

There is really only one correct answer to this.

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Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:59 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
How do you hang your bathroom tissue? Over or Under?

  

The answer doesn’t matter, but does it make any difference? Excluding aesthetics.-
 
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:16 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
Is Apple really brainwashing its users?

"Brainwashing" is a little extreme. Apple builds quality products. Where the company really excels is in marketing those products. Having a rabid fan base helps in this regard.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
"How do you hang your bathroom tissue? Over or Under?"

Hmmmm..... I bet there's an app for that.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:44 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Thread starter):
Is Apple really brainwashing its users?

Yep. Its amazing what they will buy once Steve tells them they NEED it. Just like when their AppleTV flopped, Steve proclaims thats because the DVR, and "box devices" are dead. So naturally, its dead because Steve said so..

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
Yawn. Conventional flame/click bait, nothing else.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
How can the dude be considered a highly regarded think-tank consultant when he actually spends his time on stuff like this?

I rest my case.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 9):
Where the company really excels is in marketing those products. Having a rabid fan base helps in this regard.

THats where it begins. Their favorite words are "revolutionary" "must have" "simplistic", etc.
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Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:58 pm

Quoting theredbaron (Reply 4):
no Stockholm syndrome would make people spend $$$$ time and time again on useless products.

I'm afraid you have seriously underestimated just how ....trying to be somewhat PC (no pun intended).... gullible and obsessive-compulsive humans are.


On another note, the other day became a first-time buyer of an Apple product. That's right, I have resisted everything from the iPod to the iPad. But I have succumbed to the dark side and purchased an iPod touch. Granted, it's the first generation (no built in speaker) so I got it dirt cheap from a friend.
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:11 am

Did any of the responders here actually read the report?

Not the news item but the synopsis of the report linked in that item?

There was a list of queries and responses, I am sure many of us have asked some of those questions and received similar answers.
I am equally sure that some of the faithful here have used those responses, likely even on this site.

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Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:19 am

It's very easy for me to believe this report, even without reading a single word of it. I am an avid PC user, i've always hated macbooks, and IMacs, basically anything to do with Macs. As much I hate how flawed my dell PC is, I would defend it to the death when it comes to arguing with the owner of a Mac. Even when I know Macs are 100 times better than PCs, and I'm getting my ass handed to me in a PC to Mac comparison, I will still defend it. I always hated the Apple commercial with one guy as the Mac and the other as the PC. If it wasn't for my Ipod touch, I would know nothing about Macs or Apple for that matter. As a matter of fact, it was painful for me to read that thread about Apple overtaking Microsoft.

All in all, I'm a PC for life, no matter how much better Macs get. So i find it easy to believe that an Iphone user would defend it vehemently because as much as we can be honest to ourselves about the products we own being flawed, we don't like to let others know that our own item is flawed.
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:46 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
It's on par with "How do you hang your bathroom tissue? Over or Under?"

Under, because I wasn't raised in a barn!!! Duh, everybody knows that!
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Mon Jun 07, 2010 8:52 am

Oh please, I love my iphone. But it's the only apple product I have, and I don't consider myself to be part of the apple fanbase. Neither did I sleep in front of the store to get it on the first day, nor will I get the latest model when it comes out.

If anyone says he doesn't like the Iphone, then why should I be bothered by it? Let alone suffer from the Stockholm Syndrome! All I know is that I love it and I didn't regret buying it. This article makes no sense to me at all.

Martijn

(PS, I'm not in a denial phase either)

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[Edited 2010-06-07 02:01:26]
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Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:48 am

I don't have an iPhone (the only Apple product I've ever owned is my iPod Touch 3rd gen) but most of the twenty things on the list that the "research" mentions is rather inconsequential to me.
 
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Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:26 pm

Live Blog: Apple’s iPhone-Centric WWDC 2010

11:02
He’s showing the HD video shot and edited in iMovie. It looks really impressive and detailed.

11:01
He adds a music track and hits playback. It’s a combination of still images and videos. You can choose from 5 different themes, such as Travel.

Then you can export all the way up to 720p HD. Recorded, edited and rendered all completely on the phone.

10:59
iMovie for iPhone: You can choose from existing clips and photos on the device. He picks a clip, adds a photo. The media is shown in a timeline at bottom. You can tap to add a transition between media files.

He adds a title: “Our California Vacation”. The clip puts San Francisco in there, because geolocation has sensed that automatically.

10:57
iMovie for iPhone — Apple has written an iPhone app for movie editing. Randy Ubillos, chief architect of video apps, is on stage.

“I’ve been working on video editing software for a long time…” Final Cut, new iMovie and now iMovie for iPhone. He’s showing us a demo.

10:56
But that’s not all: it records HD video, says Steve. 720 p at 30 frames per second. “It’s real HD video.”

Tap to focus video
Built-in video editing
One-click sharing
LED Flash will stay on to illuminate scenes for video recording.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...)&utm_content=Google+International

Some interesting features and I love the new design.
 
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:58 pm

Quoting oa260 (Reply 17):
Some interesting features and I love the new design

There are and a whole new batch of kool-aid.

As a photographer I have some understanding of optics and a little understanding of how sensors in digital cameras work, can someone tell me what a backlit sensor is, how it works and how it aids the photographic process?

A little more detail than-- "Magical", "Revolutionary" or "Steve said so" would be nice although unexpected!

Cheers

EDIT, I will leave this question here out of interest but in reality it belongs in a different thread.

[Edited 2010-06-07 16:28:18]
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Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
As a photographer I have some understanding of optics and a little understanding of how sensors in digital cameras work, can someone tell me what a backlit sensor is, how it works and how it aids the photographic process?

This seems to be the operative point:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/camera.html

Quote:
The advanced backside illumination sensor allows you to shoot low-light photos that are brighter and clearer than ever before.

Apparently referring to improved automatic exposure control in low-light situations.

According to Jobs the sensor pixel size remained identical while the resolution has been increased (meaning larger total sensor area) and the lens appears to be significantly larger too, so together with probably improved sensor technology it should be expected that noise levels in low-light situations should be improved indeed.
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:08 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 10):
I rest my case.

Unless the Think Tank gets grants from the government - your tax dollars at work!   

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 11):
gullible and obsessive-compulsive humans are.

Are you referring to the "Dude, You're Getting A Dell!" ad campaign? It sure brought in a lot of suckers.  
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:00 pm

I know and work with a lot of people that fall victim to the Apple hype. Every new product is a must-have for them. It's quite sad and makes me laugh. But with that said, I do like some apple products. The only apple product I own is an iPod Touch and after owning it for a year now, I find myself wanting the added features the iPhone offers. My cell contract is up with Verizon this summer so now would be a great time to switch for the iPhone. The only problem is I hate AT&T's service here where I live. So I have a decision to make.

Anyway, I understand this idea of brainwashing and the obsessiveness of the Apple followers... I was once a "hater" until I actually got some hands on experience with a couple products. Apple does make some desireable products and some people do genuinely want them because they like what it has to offer.
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:15 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
It sure brought in a lot of suckers.

Not really. Back in the late 90's/ early/mid 00's Dell actually made a decent, reasonably priced computer. Now with all their outsourcing, quality has dropped, but it wasn't always like that.
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:32 pm

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 21):
My cell contract is up with Verizon this summer so now would be a great time to switch for the iPhone. The only problem is I hate AT&T's service here where I live. So I have a decision to make.

So stay with the carrier you like on a monthly plan and get a 3G iPad.   

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 22):
Now with all their outsourcing, quality has dropped, but it wasn't always like that.

I know, I was a happy Dell users during those days and used great customer service in both the US and on business in Australia.

But then they did go super cheap and after a week of misery I moved to Apple because they had the top rated customer service. (I did have an X-Series ThinkPad for a while, loved it but the tech support was really arrogant.)

BTW, the Dell notebooks I bought were within the same price range as the PowerBook I switched to. That was "back in the day".
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:06 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
So stay with the carrier you like on a monthly plan and get a 3G iPad.   

No thanks. I'm not really interested in the iPad. I left out in my previous post that in addition to wanting the iPhone features that the iTouch lacks, I want to combine my cell phone and my iTouch instead of carrying both with me everywhere I go. The iPhone is the solution to that.
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:53 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 21):

  

That pretty much sums it up. It is just another example of a greedy society, completely obsessed with material wealth. If it isn't Apple products, it's all about the latest and greatest vehicles, popular clothing, etc. It's a shame that people can never be satisfied by the simple things in life, especially the stuff we take for granted. Like I said before, I have one Apple product which I find extremely useful. Other than that, I have no practical use for anything else they sell. There's no point wasting my hard earned money on something I don't need.
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:08 am

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 21):
Apple does make some desireable products and some people do genuinely want them because they like what it has to offer.

Absolutely. Although the underlying question is: What percentage of Apple customers do indeed buy them because they like and use what the products offer vs. how many do because everyone else does...?
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:32 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 26):
What percentage of Apple customers do indeed buy them because they like and use what the products offer vs. how many do because everyone else does...?

It seems to be rather high since iPhone users produce more mobile internet traffic than the users of any other system.
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:14 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
It seems to be rather high since iPhone users produce more mobile internet traffic than the users of any other system.

They also have some rather high satisfaction ratings from users.

High use.

High satisfaction ratings.

Could it be it's worth the money?  
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:24 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 27):
It seems to be rather high since iPhone users produce more mobile internet traffic than the users of any other system.

The iPhone is immensely popular, but that's a seriously flawed line of reasoning due to the immense amount of data iPhones suck up vs. other smartphones. That's like saying SUV's are the most popular kind of car in the world because they burn the most gas.
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:02 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 29):
That's like saying SUV's are the most popular kind of car in the world because they burn the most gas.

No, that's like saying that a Honda SUV is the most popular SUV because their drivers get more use out of them.

Of course it also helps that there are now 225,000+ apps for the iPhone/iPad/touch, giving users more options and uses.
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:08 pm

As much as I dislike Apple computers, I do have to say that Apple gadget (not computer users per say) users have every right to be delusional liars. They are riding a wave of technology that we in the pc community can only dream of.

In anycase, nothing beats a top of the line PC build for 500$   So there is quite an upside to being a pc user.
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:32 pm

Quoting flanker (Reply 31):
In anycase, nothing beats a top of the line PC build for 500$

I know that Apple is increasingly monopolizing the upper part of the market; I just wasn't aware the top of the line for PCs was already that low...!     
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:57 pm

Klaus...economies of scale....something Apple seems unable to understand...
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:40 pm

Quoting bhill (Reply 33):
economies of scale....something Apple seems unable to understand...

Apple understands both scale and economics - just look at the 100,000,000 iOS devices sold (as of this month) and the profitability & cash holdings.

And look at the satisfaction levels of Apple products in various studies/surveys, like Consumer Reports.

BTW, just finished watching the All Things Digital interview of Steve Jobs ( http://d8.allthingsd.com/20100607/st...bs-at-d8-the-full-uncut-interview/ ) and found it highly interesting and informative. Recommend it for people interested in Apple and technology in general. Apple haters will be happier reading a good book about the life of Mike Dell . . .


Edited for spacing

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Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:47 pm

Ken777, I meant the actual price vs historical units sold such as the PC and other mass market products. For some strange reason, people believe or perceive that Apple products are expensive...heck, they even seem "delicious".....
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:35 pm

Quoting bhill (Reply 35):
For some strange reason, people believe or perceive that Apple products are expensive...

There will always be somebody who will sell an inferior product for a lower price.

Your decision as a manufacturer is whether you're the one doing that or you're the one who leaves the low-end segment to the competition with a sigh of relief.

There was a time when Windows mobile covered pretty much the entire spectrum of the mobile market; Today they've lost the high end to Apple and the low end to Android.

In the Computer market they've largely lost the high end to Apple and are getting pushed progressively further downwards (among other things by cheap netbooks). Windows is increasingly becoming what you fall back on "when you can't get the real product". MS has completely lost the initiative by now.

In the mobile tablet space they have probably lost their chances as well after many years of failing to sell the same stale concepts over and over again – it looks as if that segment will also be divided among currently massively dominating Apple and possibly Android, with HP's newly acquired WebOS having at least a fighting chance as well, but also on the lower end.

The times are changing, and Microsoft is a still huge but increasingly rusty ship, drifting rudderless in increasingly rough weather.

I'd rather not wait to be the last one jumping ship if I were you.
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:47 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Windows is increasingly becoming what you fall back on "when you can't get the real product". MS has completely lost the initiative by now.

Windows can still be the winner when "someone besides he end user" makes the purchasing decision. When the end user actually gets to decide MS starts having problems.

Maybe that's why Apple focuses on the individual decision market.  
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:05 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Quoting bhill (Reply 35):
For some strange reason, people believe or perceive that Apple products are expensive...

There will always be somebody who will sell an inferior product for a lower price.

Because Apple IS more expensive.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Windows is increasingly becoming what you fall back on "when you can't get the real product"

   That made my night.

Once again you just drove the point of this whole article home. Good job. Steve would be proud!
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:21 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 37):
Windows can still be the winner when "someone besides he end user" makes the purchasing decision. When the end user actually gets to decide MS starts having problems.

Maybe that's why Apple focuses on the individual decision market.

Definitely.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 38):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Quoting bhill (Reply 35):
For some strange reason, people believe or perceive that Apple products are expensive...

There will always be somebody who will sell an inferior product for a lower price.

Because Apple IS more expensive.

And because many people still accept inferior quality.
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:27 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 39):
And because many people still accept inferior quality.

Once again=    Just because it wasnt made by Apple does not make it inferior. (at least to those of us who don't blindly follow the Gospel According to Jobs)
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Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:34 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 40):
Just because it wasnt made by Apple does not make it inferior. (at least to those of us who don't blindly follow the Gospel According to Jobs)

Where have I made such a claim?

Apple generally does produce superior quality and only because of that can charge appropriate prices on the same level. If the quality wasn't up to their pricing level, I simply wouldn't buy, just like the rest. But quality generally is up to their pricing level, so I keep going back.

Everybody else could theoretically do that as well – they just don't. And thus have to lower their prices accordingly.

Apple's approach is a lot more difficult, but it has its rewards – for both Apple and their customers.
 
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:26 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 40):
at least to those of us who don't blindly follow the Gospel According to Jobs

But the smart people actually listen to Jobs - he's considered to be at the top of the CEO ratings at least by those who know.

I listed the All Things Digital link above because it's a very good session with Jobs - and the NY Times runs it. (There are also links to other guests if any catch your eye.)

You don't have to worry about a "Gospel" and yo certainly won't get a Monkey Dance.
 
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Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:41 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 41):
Where have I made such a claim?
Quoting Klaus (Reply 39):
Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 38):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 36):
Quoting bhill (Reply 35):
For some strange reason, people believe or perceive that Apple products are expensive...

There will always be somebody who will sell an inferior product for a lower price.

Because Apple IS more expensive.

And because many people still accept inferior quality.

That was hard....

Quoting Klaus (Reply 41):
Apple generally does produce superior quality

And incase we missed it the first time...

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 42):
But the smart people actually listen to Jobs - he's considered to be at the top of the CEO ratings at least by those who know.

So those of us who don't buy into the Apple hype are stupid?   
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Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 43):
So those of us who don't buy into the Apple hype are stupid?

Didn't say that, but dissing Apple out of hand doesn't put you with the brightest of folks.

Sort of like saying that "it'll never sell" when the iPod came out, or the iPhone.  
 
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:20 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 44):
Didn't say that, but dissing Apple out of hand doesn't put you with the brightest of folks.

Why? Because I dont march to the beat of the Apple kool-aid drinkers drum? Considering I own two Macbook Pro's and now my 2nd iPod, I definitely dont hate apple. However, I don't have this rabid biased hatred towards anything that doesnt have a little white apple logo affixed to it.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 44):
Sort of like saying that "it'll never sell" when the iPod came out, or the iPhone.

Never said either. I love my 80gig iPod classic. The iPhone, while popular, is not my cup of tea. Nor do I think its a good device. But thats another thread.
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:47 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 45):
Why? Because I dont march to the beat of the Apple kool-aid drinkers drum? Considering I own two Macbook Pro's and now my 2nd iPod, I definitely dont hate apple. However, I don't have this rabid biased hatred towards anything that doesnt have a little white apple logo affixed to it.

Summarily dismissing other people's judgment for simply disagreeing with your point of view – in spite of extensive and detailed reasoning being presented – really gets old.

It is extremely rude, it is violating the forum rules (as is the thread starter), it is completely implausible when looking at the whole picture – and yet you clutch at any straw to keep it up.

Do you really think that kind of treatment contributes value to a discussion that should be about the issues and not about what you think of other people?
 
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:49 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 45):
Because I dont march to the beat of the Apple kool-aid drinkers drum?

So much has been written about the "kool-aid drinkers" and "fan bois" and "the Apple hype" - it's become a symbol of the Apple Haters.

You've walked into a store (maybe even an Apple Store). looked at the products and felt they were the products you need, or want.

No hype to that, It's simple looking, evaluating and buying. So you're an Apple customer. Does that make you a kool-sid drinker? Did you buy because the products matched what Apple said they were, or did you just get sucked in by the hype?
 
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:02 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 47):

No hype to that, It's simple looking, evaluating and buying. So you're an Apple customer. Does that make you a kool-sid drinker? Did you buy because the products matched what Apple said they were, or did you just get sucked in by the hype?

No, but people get sick of the Apple defenders who seem to want to fellate Steve Jobs at every opportunity and never offer anything but praise to Apple. There are many valid criticisms of Apple, but the fact that Apple fans never admit to it really discredits their opinions in my mind.

And this comes from an owner of a Macbook Pro, iMac, and iPod Touch.
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RE: "Apple IPhone Customers Are Delusional Liars"

Thu Jun 10, 2010 3:59 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 48):
No, but people get sick of the Apple defenders who seem to want to fellate Steve Jobs at every opportunity and never offer anything but praise to Apple. There are many valid criticisms of Apple, but the fact that Apple fans never admit to it really discredits their opinions in my mind.

Not every criticism you personally perceive as valid is perceived the same way by everybody else. Being unable to respond to such situations without aggressively attacking or dismissing the person you don't happen to agree with is extremely shortsighted.

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