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Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:09 pm

Is this guy off his rockers or is he serious?

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Gov. Haley Barbour of Mississippi calls for further offshore drilling, saying that the threat to his state’s waterfront is exaggerated by media. “The coast is clear, come on down,” he adds.

BP says that the oil collected from its out-of-control well will be sold, with the proceeds to benefit gulf wildlife.

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I have no idea if this source is credible (The NY Times environmental section). It's a relatively small article, so I don't know. However, if Haley really said this, maybe he needs to make another trip down to his coastline, and perhaps talk to members of the environmental cleanup crew to see the real impact it can have on his state.

P.S. I can't seem to post the link to the article, so I posted the whole article in the quote. However, here is another link to another news source that is relevant

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2010/06/06/AR2010060601926.html
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:12 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Is this guy off his rockers or is he serious?

Did you expect the entire industry to disappear because of this spill?
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting futurepilot16 (Thread starter):
Is this guy off his rockers or is he serious?

He is off his rocker a bit it seems, but then so are the crazies looking to banish oil from the Gulf for good. He is a little bit blunt about it, but his point is largely true. The sun will rise tomorrow, Alabama won't fall into the sea (whether that is good or bad is up to you) and we will still be burning oil. A lot of ecotard Chicken Littles have been getting their fifteen minutes of fame lately, and a little bit of perspective will go a long way.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):
Did you expect the entire industry to disappear because of this spill?

Right..

I mean..The Gulf is history - the pooch has been screwed. Whats the point in stopping now?

Its the BEST time to have more drilling and more spills.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:20 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
He is off his rocker a bit it seems, but then so are the crazies looking to banish oil from the Gulf for good. He is a little bit blunt about it, but his point is largely true. The sun will rise tomorrow, Alabama won't fall into the sea (whether that is good or bad is up to you) and we will still be burning oil. A lot of ecotard Chicken Littles have been getting their fifteen minutes of fame lately, and a little bit of perspective will go a long way.

     

Spot-on.

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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:55 pm

We are not about to give up on the huge industry and resource the Gulf is.

Listen accidents happen. Big ones and small ones, but business must go on. Yes we can most likely learn from this in the years to come and hopefully operate more safely in the future, but the knee jerk reaction to place a moratorium or stop drilling is not the answer either.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:31 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 3):

Right..

I mean..The Gulf is history - the pooch has been screwed. Whats the point in stopping now?

Its the BEST time to have more drilling and more spills.

My God, do you really think that the entire off-shore drilling indeustry should be shut-down because of this incident? Whetehr the environmental left wants to believe it or not, the global economy runs on oil, not solar, not nuclear, not wind...oil. Nations need to drill where the oil is. We also need to look at alternatives, but oil is here to stay for a very, very long time.

How about this? Open ANWR and all the other closed places on land and maybe the big, bad, evil oil companies won't have to go after deep water oil for a few more decades. What do you think about that?

The Governor is correct. We must continue to drill off-shore. We must also keep this incident in mind and take the necessary precaution to even further reduce the chances of this kind of thing happening again,

Or, we can stop drilling altogether and fall back into the dark ages.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:35 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):

My God, do you really think that the entire off-shore drilling indeustry should be shut-down because of this incident?

No not really.. i was being funny. 

I do agree with him:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Listen accidents happen. Big ones and small ones, but business must go on. Yes we can most likely learn from this in the years to come and hopefully operate more safely in the future, but the knee jerk reaction to place a moratorium or stop drilling is not the answer either.

But maybe you can help me answer this,, what % of the US oil comes from the Gulf?.. ive been hearing a quite a range..
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:47 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 7):
But maybe you can help me answer this,, what % of the US oil comes from the Gulf?.. ive been hearing a quite a range..

I've also heard a lrge range. I'm not in the industry, but I do find it curious that the price of oil has been going down during this incident/crisis. Maybe the percentage isn't too big, but I'm going to guess there are plenty reserves there. Oil production will continue in the Gulf.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:48 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 7):
But maybe you can help me answer this,, what % of the US oil comes from the Gulf?.. ive been hearing a quite a range..


According to US Dept of Energy:
The Gulf produces about 30 percent of the oil product and 11 percent of the natural gas consumed in the United States.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ask/crudeoil_faqs.asp

Additionally 150,000 direct jobs are related to the Gulf oil industry, with obviously many many more businesses and town dependent on oil related spending for their economic vitality.

[Edited 2010-06-09 11:50:30]
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:58 pm

Quoting newark777 (Reply 1):
Did you expect the entire industry to disappear because of this spill?

Maybe I should Clarify. I was more responding to his downplaying the impact of the spill on the state of Mississippi, rather than his claims that we need more offshore drilling, even though that was a dumb move politically on his part. The only thing I agreed with is the fact what he said about the media. They tend to be almost in love with the oil spill, they just can't get enough.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 6):
How about this? Open ANWR and all the other closed places on land and maybe the big, bad, evil oil companies won't have to go after deep water oil for a few more decades. What do you think about that?

I doubt we have that much oil on Land in the US.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:01 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
The Gulf produces about 30 percent of the oil product and 11 percent of the natural gas consumed in the United States.

Where in your link says that-- i couldn't find it...

Look at this:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_imports

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/colombia/images/map.swf

So the US produces 43% of its oil consumption, and if the gulf accounts for 30% of that.. does that mean that the gulf accounts for 70% of the Unites States Based Oil Production?

Its seems awfully high...

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 8):
I've also heard a lrge range. I'm not in the industry, but I do find it curious that the price of oil has been going down during this incident/crisis. Maybe the percentage isn't too big, but I'm going to guess there are plenty reserves there. Oil production will continue in the Gulf.

So you don't know?!!. you are making value judgments on your gut feeling and guesses?
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:02 pm

Oh well, you got to have SOME kind of diversion from the messiah's own problems.   
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:27 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 11):
So you don't know?!!. you are making value judgments on your gut feeling and guesses?



Yup. My gut says we go after ever bit of oil we can. It is the life blood of our economy and way of life. So, whether the Gulf supplies 1% or 40%, it really makes no difference, at least too me. Oil is that important.

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 10):
I doubt we have that much oil on Land in the US.



I don't. That question is; can we or are we allowed to get it? What about shallow water drilling? I'm guessing there are many places off the coast where we aren't allowed to drill. These moratoriums need to be lifted.

My Congress-critter claims that there are plenty of oil reserves under leases that aren't being exploited by the big, bad, evil oil companies and that we shoudn't lift the bans. But, if that's the case, why are oil complanies going out in deeper and deeper and presumably, more dangerous or riskier water? I mean, if the leases the companies have now are on land or close in, thus safer...why go deep?
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:32 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
Gulf supplies 1% or 40%, it really makes no difference, at least too me. Oil is that important.

It does make difference. The question i am trying to answer is "is it worth it?" - which no one seems to have the answer (expect you gut)..

If its 1%, then we can prob get oil from elsewhere, if its 40% maybe we cant. But we cant have this discussion unles we know a number, a number i cant find...

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
It is the life blood of our economy and way of life.

So this is an excuse to be waste full and not look for "better options"?

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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:35 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 11):
So the US produces 43% of its oil consumption, and if the gulf accounts for 30% of that.. does that mean that the gulf accounts for 70% of the Unites States Based Oil Production?

Its seems awfully high...

Sounds right. Gulf states produce the bulk of US oil.

From DOE again.

Alaska’s crude oil production peaked in 1988 at about 738 million barrels, which was equal to about 25% of total U.S. oil production. In 2008, it was about 250 million barrels, or about 14% of total U.S. production.

About half way down this page
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ask/crudeoil_faqs.asp#oil_produced_Alaska

Bad thing about Alaska as you see its production yield is declining unless new fields are opened such as ANWAR.

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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:03 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 14):
If its 1%, then we can prob get oil from elsewhere, if its 40% maybe we cant. But we cant have this discussion unles we know a number, a number i cant find...

You're correct and I understand this from a risk analysis/management point-of-view. But , let's look at it from the oil companies' view; they are willing to drill deeper and in riskier situations because the market will bear that cost. Government regulation has forced them away from the shore and into the deep. It only stands to reason that the benefits out-weigh the risks and costs since the oil complanies are going deeper. Maybe, if we loosened up the bans on close-in drilling and other exploitation, the risks of deep water drilling will not be worth taking, but right now, it appears that those risks are worth it.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 14):
So this is an excuse to be waste full and not look for "better options"?

It is not an excuse to stop looking or not to conserve. But, it is short-sighted to think that anything is even close to replacing oil. There is nothing that can do the job as efficiently and inexpensively, otherwise, we would be making the move in that direction. We need to find something, but let's not abandon what we have in a fool's errand.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:14 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 14):
If its 1%, then we can prob get oil from elsewhere, if its 40% maybe we cant. But we cant have this discussion unles we know a number, a number i cant find...

You're right. However, you'll probably never find the number because it's one of those things that might not be available to the public. However, doing a rough calculation of how many millions of barrels of oil has already spilled into the gulf from one rig, and how many rigs there are already in place, in the gulf, you could probably get an estimate of some sort.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:29 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
It is the life blood of our economy and way of life.

Yes but we can change it..like this guy:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...ture/2008/02/14/1202760494735.html

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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:03 am

Of course we need to continue offshore drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. You know why? Because if we don't, some other country will come in there and will drill for the oil we left. And then what if there's a spill from one of their rigs? Guess who's still going to be the affected country? That's right - the United States. So while I'm all for new, alternative energy sources and changing the regulations if they do indeed need to be changed, to suggest stopping off-shore drilling is ludicrous.
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:22 am

Florida residents have changed their mind regarding off- shore drilling. Some are calling for a state constitutional ban of Florida waters..

I guess ,, if thats is the will of the people.. there is nothing else that can be done.

http://wokv.com/localnews/2010/06/support-for-drilling-collapses.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127598570
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:44 am

Simple question...how far into the Gulf do states rights go...boundaries that is? 20mi? 30mi?
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RE: Mississippi Gov. Calls For More Offshore Drilling

Thu Jun 10, 2010 6:04 am

Quoting mt99 (Reply 20):
Florida residents have changed their mind regarding off- shore drilling. Some are calling for a state constitutional ban of Florida waters..

Last time I checked, the majority of the drilling is off Texas and Louisiana, and I know several people that work offshore. So how is Florida going to do anything about that?

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