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Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:16 pm

I've been participating in a thread about WW2 and, chatting to a friend of a similar 'vintage,' a film called "Ice-Cold in Alex' came up.

It wasn't about massacring the Afrika Korps or anything - it merely told the story of a near-alcoholic British Royal Army Service Corps officer, his 'MSM' ('Machinist-Sergeant-Major,' take my word for it that there really WAS such a rank once upon a time, maybe still is!), a beautiful nurse, and a 'South African' officer who later turned out to be a German spy. As the story goes, they were caught out in the North African desert when the Germans attacked and besieged Tobruk in early 1941.

There were no 'heroics' involved. The four of them just set to work to drive an ambulance 400 miles, from Tobruk to Alexandria, to escape capture. On the way they had to overcome all sorts of problems - including, memorably, having to 'wind the ambulance up' a steep sandy incline with the starting-handle. And tensions developed as the three Britishers began to suspect that their 'South African' colleague was very probably nothing of the sort.......The 'commanding officer' 'motivated' them by promising them a cold beer in his favourite pub in Alexandria if they made it.

This film actually had a big effect on me personally, in that, just as it came out in 1958, the British stopped 'National Service.' They specifically ended it for people who'd been born after the third quarter of 1939. Since I happened to have been born at 4.00AM on 1st. October 1939, I was 'excused.' Due to all sorts of influences, not least this specific movie, I joined up anyway as a reservist.......

What mainly impresses me about the movie, though, is the sheer LENGTH of the key scenes. Both the 'winding-up scene,' and the final 'ice-cold beer' scene in which the three Brits 'conspire' to save the life of their new-found German 'mate,' ran for over seven minutes. No director nowadays would even dream of filming scenes of that length - but, in this movie at least, for my money, they 'work.'

The other thing is the sheer quality of the acting. John Mills was of course a 'star' in his time - and Sylvia Sims was the archetypal 'English Rose.' But the 'grizzled' chain-smoking MSM and the South African/German 'spy' were played by distinguished actors (Harry Andrews and Anthony Quayle) who were normally more 'at home' playing people like King Lear in Shakespeare plays at the Old Vic. In that context, I think Anthony Quayle's marvellous 'Sarf Efrican' accent - "All Roight, Brake ORF!" - was one of the high points of the whole movie......

And the musical score, synchronised with the action, 'broke new ground' at the time.

Anyway, hope other people like these two scenes as much as I did (and still do). And hope that you'll all post your own favourites in due course:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k81rRaszRlg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9Ra7hQoHpE&feature=related
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:28 pm

The Ending scene of Das Boot. Evil and very powerful.
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:33 pm

The D-Day landing at the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:08 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
The D-Day landing at the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.

I'll agree with you on that.
Whilst there are many moments throughout the D-Day landing that are stomach turning, I think the worst image of war I've ever scene in a film also comes from the same film.
It's the scene during the final battle when the American and the German are fighting for the control of a blade, and when the German finally over powers the American, he goes in for the kill, very slowly, whilst the American pleads with him not to do it. For me, that is the most horrible scene.

The film 'Schindlers List' also offers many disturning scenes, but they aren't really "war scenes".
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:11 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
but, in this movie at least, for my money, they 'work.'

Not to mention that when filming the scene where he finally gets the drink and downs it in one, they couldnt find a liquid that looked like the real thing, so over seven takes drinking pint after pint he was getting pretty lubricated before they got the perfect take!

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 1):
The Ending scene of Das Boot. Evil and very powerful.

Agreed, a superb ending to a superb film. Thoroughly heartbreaking.

My favourite war film is a Korean film about the Korean War, called Welcome to Dongmakgol. An american fighter pilot is shot down and ends up in a remote village that knows nothing of the war. Also converging on this village is two South Korean deserters, and three North Korean troops trying to rejoin their lines after being all but wiped out. The following scene shows what happens when they meet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URtqN2pi8dg&feature=related
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:46 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
The D-Day landing at the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.

that was also the first that came to my mind.

Also some scenes of "Band of Brothers" were amazing.


and I just remembered Stalingrad had some interesting stuff too

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Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:07 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
The D-Day landing at the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.

Instantly the first thing that sprung to mind. Right after that was the scene in Platoon in which Grodin finally dies. Between the knowledge that the audience has that he was shot and left for dead by Berenger's SSGT Barnes for wanting to do what was morally right and still fought on to try to escape and the score (using Barber's Adagio for Strings,, it's just a powerful scene and the image of Dafoe with his arms flung out is a lasting one.

http://blog.chosun.com/web_file/blog/425/8425/1/platoon05.jpg

The beginning of Patton with George C. Scott standing in front of that massive American flag and delivering his speech to the audience of unseen troops.

http://theherokids.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/patton-jpg1.jpeg

Another, to me, is the scene in Das Boot where the officers of U-96 come aboard the supply ship and the two cultures collide best emphasized when the Nazis aboard the supply ship misidentify the first officer to be the captain. To me the scene just emphasized the cultural rift in the German military between the true believers in Nazism and those who fought but didn't necessarily love Hitler.
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:14 pm

Quoting GST (Reply 5):
Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
but, in this movie at least, for my money, they 'work.'

Not to mention that when filming the scene where he finally gets the drink and downs it in one, they couldnt find a liquid that looked like the real thing, so over seven takes drinking pint after pint he was getting pretty lubricated before they got the perfect take!

Truly marvellous - and totally new - point, GST.........  

As far as I can recall, I first saw that movie on a chilly November evening in the UK. Suited me in a way, as my girlfriend and I sort of had to 'huddle together for warmth'........  

Tribute to the film-makers, though - it sure LOOKED hot on the screen.......  
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:49 pm

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 7):
that was also the first that came to my mind.

Same here. Love that scene.

Also the scene near the end where they lay the ambush for the German tank(s).

Also the scene, as sad as it is, where their unit's medic dies.
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:23 pm

"Thirteen Days" had many chilling scenes of how close we came to "game over" in the Cuban missile crisis.Kevin Costner closing comments on the brink of war said it all-

"If the sun comes up tomorrow, it is only because of men of good will. That is all there is between us and the devil."

Das Boot.

I thought the most moving was when U-96 torpedo the cargo ships,and after waiting six hours,surfaced, only to find the surviving men of the ships torpedo, were swimming towards their U-boat for sanctuary.But the captain with orders of war, commands full reverse and his men begin to break down and cry.That was tough to take.Plus life aboard a U boat.
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:40 pm

Quoting EISHN (Reply 4):
The film 'Schindlers List' also offers many disturning scenes, but they aren't really "war scenes".

The BBC docudrama "Threads" certainly belongs to that list as well. It's one of the most depressive movies I have seen.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023790698427111488#
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:13 pm

Towards the end of the movie "A Bridge Too Far" when the wounded and dying are sitting in the cellar of the house over looking the bridge at Arnhem, when they all start singing "Abide with Me". Always moves me.

Also, a great bit is the scene in "Battle of Britain" where Edward Fox has to parachute from his plane after it's been shot up, and he lands in a family's greenhouse. The young boy runs in to the house, and comes out with his father's box of cigarettes... Fox, still sitting in the broken greenhouse, says "Thanks awfully, old chap!" Just a perfect line!

And who can ever forget the epic line from "Where eagles dare"? "Broadsword calling Danny Boy. Broadsword calling Danny Boy".
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:43 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 3):
The D-Day landing at the beginning of Saving Private Ryan.

Shouldn't have taken 3 replies, and really no replies after that are needed.
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:25 pm

The SPR D-day scene has excellent choreography but i feel Spielberg almost ruins it all by injecting his annoying gimmicks that would be more fitting in an Indiana Jones film. Such as some chap walking around carrying his own arm that has been blown off. IMO things like that take the sincerity out of the event it is trying to portray.
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:52 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 14):
Such as some chap walking around carrying his own arm that has been blown off. IMO things like that take the sincerity out of the event it is trying to portray.

Um, that sounds to me like something that could've actually happened.
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:41 pm

It probably did happen a handful of times during the war but it's still a silly gimmick which almost ruins it for me.

I personally find Band of Brothers an order of magnitude better than SPR which is done by the same team. Especially the "Breaking Points" episode when they are getting shelled during the Battle of the Bulge. The acting is great and the scenes are very convincing. Although i can't judge i'd imagine it's one of the better portrayals of the war.
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:51 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 13):
Shouldn't have taken 3 replies, and really no replies after that are needed.

Well, I'll disagree somewhat. I think that movie is one of the most powerful ever put together, and it shows more than anything else I've watched that war is a grisly battle for survival at the level of the boots on the ground.

But the most moving scene wasn't the Omaha Beach scene, it was right at the end when an "old" Private Ryan, standing at Captain Miller's gravesite, asks his wife to tell him he was a good man; to validate that Miller's sacrifice was for something good. That moves me to tears every time I see it.
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:00 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 17):
But the most moving scene wasn't the Omaha Beach scene, it was right at the end when an "old" Private Ryan, standing at Captain Miller's gravesite, asks his wife to tell him he was a good man; to validate that Miller's sacrifice was for something good. That moves me to tears every time I see it

Absolutely agree. I didn't mention that because it's not exactly a "war movie scene", but in my nearly 5 decades of life that is the only scene in the only movie that manages to to choke me up. Very powerful.

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Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:05 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 17):

But the most moving scene wasn't the Omaha Beach scene, it was right at the end when an "old" Private Ryan, standing at Captain Miller's gravesite, asks his wife to tell him he was a good man; to validate that Miller's sacrifice was for something good. That moves me to tears every time I see it.

I have never, ever seen a break room full of people as silent. A full 5 minutes after the movie ended.
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:07 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 17):
Shouldn't have taken 3 replies, and really no replies after that are needed.

Well, I'll disagree somewhat. I think that movie is one of the most powerful ever put together, and it shows more than anything else I've watched that war is a grisly battle for survival at the level of the boots on the ground.

But the most moving scene wasn't the Omaha Beach scene, it was right at the end when an "old" Private Ryan, standing at Captain Miller's gravesite, asks his wife to tell him he was a good man; to validate that Miller's sacrifice was for something good. That moves me to tears every time I see it.

Couldn't agree with you more, actually. But I also was thinking more along the lines of "battle scenes". I'm a pretty jaded guy and I cry with that scene every time, not that I'm able to watch that too often...
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:56 am

While we're going on about Tom Hanks/Speilberg war films, there were some pretty incredible battle scenes in the recent "The Pacific" miniseries. I read a review written by a WWII Iwo Jima veteran who described the show as the most realistic and chilling rendition of the battles he fought in as he could imagine. The scenes that really stood out to me were the night gunfight across the river on Guadalcanal where Basilone earned the medal of honor, and the initial landing on Peleliu where everyone getting off the amtracks pretty much instantly gets shot or blown up. Horrifying, but it didn't seem overdone at all, just an accurate account of the battle.

Also, even though it's not a recent battle scene or even something that ever really took place in the form that it was created in the movie, I love the opening battle in Gladiator when Maximus leads the Romans over the Germanic tribe. The shot with the volleys of flaming arrows and catapults hurtling between the masses of soldiers is very well done and intense.
 
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:16 am

"The Green Beret's" Scene where David Janssen, playing a war correspondent at a Fire Base in Vietnam after a spy has been captured after walking the perimeter, noting distances and "slightly tortured".   

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Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:58 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 6):
and I just remembered Stalingrad had some interesting stuff too

I love that film, if anything for the Russians speaking Russian and the Germans speaking German.
 
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:27 pm

Full Metal Jacket seems to fall in line. The first half, boot camp, with a former drill instructer who pretty much ad-libbed a lot of his lines. Then the second half in the field in Vietnam, especially when the platoon finally reaches the sniper, who turns out not to be the sterotypical soldier.
 
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:37 pm

The D-day landing scene in the beginning of Saving Private Ryan was the best in history. Not even a close contest.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 21):
While we're going on about Tom Hanks/Speilberg war films, there were some pretty incredible battle scenes in the recent "The Pacific" miniseries.

  
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:23 pm

Charlie dont surf Apocalypse now

And my all time favorite, the beginning of the siege in Black Hawk Down. Irene!
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 5:36 pm

I am a bit divided on SPR. It is disturbing to watch and has very powerful pictures, but in some points I think the movie kind of "loses it", when it turns a bit one-sided. I cannot mention a certain scene right now, though, but somehow I always get the impression in the movie that murdering german soldiers is ok, while it is shown as a crime the other way around.

Another movie which is extremely disturbing, and has very frightening scenes, is "Die Brücke", when the young soldiers who are still teenagers fight for the bridge, and once they have defended it, the germans themselves come to blow it up.

Finally, "All quiet on the western front", also the remake from 1979, has VERY disturbing scenes. Well made.
 
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:15 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 27):
but somehow I always get the impression in the movie that murdering german soldiers is ok, while it is shown as a crime the other way around.

I disagree. I felt it showed that both sides did things that were morally questionable, but then again, war itself is a very, very ugly thing.

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Apocalypse now

A great movie, but a little overdone and very heavy on the psychological screw to be considered realistic, especially since is was intended to be very anti-war (which I have zero problem with, but it's something to keep in mind).
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:28 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 7):
To me the scene just emphasized the cultural rift in the German military between the true believers in Nazism and those who fought but didn't necessarily love Hitler.

Again in Das Boot, A scene that is powerful......After the German U-Boat sinks several supply ships and sufaces after many hours being submerged, they view ships on fire and hear cries of "help" from the survivors. They can't take prisoners and slowly back away, some Germans on the u-Boot begin to weep.
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Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:32 pm

How about Downfall, that's got some really excellent scenes in too? Including the most parodied scene of all time...
 
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:00 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 17):
But the most moving scene wasn't the Omaha Beach scene, it was right at the end when an "old" Private Ryan, standing at Captain Miller's gravesite, asks his wife to tell him he was a good man; to validate that Miller's sacrifice was for something good. That moves me to tears every time I see it.

This scene is what made me take a trip to Normandy in the fall of '99. Very moving.


On a lighter note, there's a scene in Kelly's Heroes that always makes me laugh. Donald Sutherland had just finished explaining that you had to hit a Tiger tank in the ass.......they caught one in an alley and took a shot and SPLAT.....it was a paint shell and, luckily, the Tiger couldn't traverse the turret because of the walls of the alley and a couple of trees. They were able to take another shot at the Tiger and were successful.

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Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:09 am

Just remembered this movie that we rented last year.........very good, funny and yet poignant.....


Two Men Went to War
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Two overzealous members (Kenneth Cranham and Leo Bill) of England's Army Dental Corps leave their posts and attempt to join the war effort in France ... two years before the Allies land on D-Day. Sneaking into occupied territory, the intrepid dentists find and partially destroy a German radar station. But when they get back to English territory, no one believes them and they're classed as deserters. Based on a true story.
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:19 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 32):


Just remembered this movie that we rented last year.........very good, funny and yet poignant.....

That was on BBC iPlayer a few months ago, I enjoyed it enormously.
 
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:14 am

Quoting yooyoo (Reply 29):
Again in Das Boot, A scene that is powerful......After the German U-Boat sinks several supply ships and sufaces after many hours being submerged, they view ships on fire and hear cries of "help" from the survivors. They can't take prisoners and slowly back away, some Germans on the u-Boot begin to weep.

The British movie "The Cruel Sea" has a similar scene: There the commander of a RN corvette accompanying a freighter convoy has to make the tough decision to drop his depthcharges right into the middle of an area full of sailors from a torpedoed ship, because the German submarine is hidding (without knowing that the survivors are right on top) beneath them.
At first you see the survivors cheering and waving, when the corvette steams towards them, but then you see the looks of horror when they realise that the corvette is about to launch the depthcharges right into their middle.
The corvette commander of course has to destroy the U-boat to prevent further attacks on the already decimated convoy.

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Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:33 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 34):
The British movie "The Cruel Sea" has a similar scene: There the commander of a RN corvette accompanying a freighter convoy has to make the tough decision to drop his depthcharges right into the middle of an area full of sailors from a torpedoed ship, because the German submarine is hidding (without knowing that the survivors are right on top) beneath them.

Excellent point, MD11Engineer. That scene was one of the most wrenchingly-realistic that I've ever seen in a movie in my life. Put simply, the 'priority' was to sink the U-boat, IF there WAS one........

Unfortunately the complete scene isn't available on video any more - but parts of it are shown in the original trailer here:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoQOyhB1ppk

I think part of the reason for early WW2 war films being so 'powerful' was that pretty well all the actors had served at the 'sharp end' of the forces during the actual war. Of the actors in those excerpts I put on at the beginning of the thread, John Mills, Anthony Quayle, and Harry Andrews were all officers in the 'fighting branches.' Nicholas Monsarrat, who wrote 'The Cruel Sea,' served right through WW2 in the RNVR - 'Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve' - and rose to the command of the sort of ships that the novel describes.........

Jack Hawkins wasn't actually in the Navy - but he originally joined up in the infantry, and made it to the rank of colonel..........  

So, in all probability, the strength' of those early films was that the actors concerned knew what it was really like. And therefore didn't 'over-act' - and didn't let the directors or the scriptwriters MAKE them over-act, either......

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Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:34 pm

Private Ryan - Love that scene when the artillary barage is going on the horizon and they are leaving the church ... so many good ones in that movie.

Apocolypse now ... Airborne assault Huys / Littlebirds over the river in formation . Last outpost on the Nung River...
and the B-52 crashed into the jungle ..

Enemy at the Gates ... The Volga crossing

Legends of the Fall ... WWI trench attack

Blackhawk Down ... The scene when the onsight commander in the little bird sees the city erupting into defence with all the road blocks burning ... he knows they are in trouble. The ranger under the minigun firing blackhawk with the shells falling all around him ... that movie had alot of little "off" scenes that really made it feel real.

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Interseting , will check it out Nav. Nav have you ever seen the movie where the pilot taxis the Spitfire back across enemy lines after being disabled in a dogfight ? It happens in Africa as I recall. I saw it at least 20 years ago ... cant recall the title ?

Quoting GST (Reply 5):
The Ending scene of Das Boot. Evil and very powerful.

Been a while ...is that when they come back into port to find it under attack by Allied bombers ? Yes ...that was a very powerful ending ..and a great great movie.
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Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:59 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 35):
So, in all probability, the strength' of those early films was that the actors concerned knew what it was really like. And therefore didn't 'over-act' - and didn't let the directors or the scriptwriters MAKE them over-act, either......

The same applies to aviation movies with James Steward. He "has seen the Elephant", as they said during the American Civil war and has flown 25 missions in B24 bombers over Germany as aircraft commander. Even after WW2 he staid in the new USAF and retired as a Brigadier. I´m quite sure that the USAF didn´t give him this rank for his abilities in acting.

One thing, which often gets critizised by modern film critics in old war movies is the "stiff upper lip" attitude and the lack of visible emotions, but back then people simply didn´t show every emotion and especially displaying fear was frowned upon.

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:21 am

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 35):
I think part of the reason for early WW2 war films being so 'powerful' was that pretty well all the actors had served at the 'sharp end' of the forces during the actual war

To that list, I would like to add Sir Richard Todd, who as I understand it, was actually in one of the scenes depicted in the Longest Day, in an earlier real life situation on 6 June 1944. I have enjoyed many of his roles including Guy Gibson in the "Dambusters", and Lt. Commander Keran in "Yangtse Incident" . The latter contains my favourite war movie scene, the meeting of HMS Amethyst and HMS Concord which can be scene through this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXS4VBcWn1w
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:51 am

There is also American actor Robert Montgomery, who saw service during WWII in the U.S. Navy and rose to the rank of Lt. Commander.


"During World War II he saw action in PT boat service, an experience he used in John Ford's They Were Expendable , part of which he actually directed himself. He earned a Bronze Star for his destroyer service on D-Day."

Read more: Robert Montgomery - Actors and Actresses - Films as Actor:, Films as Director:, Publications http://www.filmreference.com/Actors-...ntgomery-Robert.html#ixzz0qnP2Yf9V
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:31 am

Quoting mayor (Reply 31):
On a lighter note, there's a scene in Kelly's Heroes that always makes me laugh.

My favorite scene in that movie is when Oddball's tanks come out of the railway tunnel. The weirdoes operating the tanks suddenly turn into profesional soldiers, and shoot up a German railway yard while playing loud music. Quite bizarre.

Best war movie scenes? All of them can be found in Dawn Patrol. 1938 movie with arial shots from the 1930 movie of the same name. Wonderful cast with Errol Flynn, David Niven and Basil Rathbone. Probably the best WW1 movie with the possible exception of the 1930 "All quiet on the westeren Front".
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:27 am

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 36):
Nav have you ever seen the movie where the pilot taxis the Spitfire back across enemy lines after being disabled in a dogfight ?

Can't recall that movie, AGM100, but anything was possible in those days.  
Quoting ronglimeng (Reply 38):
To that list, I would like to add Sir Richard Todd, who as I understand it, was actually in one of the scenes depicted in the Longest Day, in an earlier real life situation on 6 June 1944.

Absolutely right, ronglimeng. The links below show Sir Richard Todd visiting 'Pegasus Bridge' in his retirement, and also effectively 'playing himself' in the movie.

The very first operation of D-Day was forty-odd 'air-landing' troops from the British 6th. Airborne Division in gliders landing close to (like within yards of) the only bridge over two watercourses, the River Orne and the Caen Canal, which separated the city from the invasion beaches. It's no exaggeration to say that that operation was the key to the whole invasion plan, since the bulk of the Germans' armour, reinforcements, and supplies were in Caen; and the only way for them to reach the invasion beaches was across that bridge - which was later renamed 'Pegasus Bridge' after the British Airborne's 'Flying Horse' badge.........

They captured the bridge and were then reinforced by 6th. Airborne parachutists, among whom was Richard Todd. One bit of understandable 'poetic licence' - in real life he was a fairly junior officer; in the movie, The Longest Day,' he was promoted to command of the whole airborne force.  

They then held the bridge until Commando units fought their way up from Sword Beach to relieve them. The first to arrive was No. 4 Commando, commanded by an eccentric Scottish peer named Lord Lovat (played in the movie by Peter Lawford). As shown in one of the vids below, Lovat really DID lead his force into action wearing a white polo-neck sweater, and he really DID take a bagpiper with him!   Though I suspect that there was a bit more 'poetic licence' about the way the movie shows the commandos bunching up and moving slowly forward under shell and small-arms fire......... all armies accept the fact that you might get killed, but they don't usually order you (or train you) to commit suicide.

The actor Sean Connery (later to become world-famous in the James Bond movies) has a bit part in the film too.......playing a supposed 'Irishman' with a Scottish accent...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f_39cuihvg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrUs5AfrNjc&feature=related

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 3:07 pm

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 41):
They captured the bridge and were then reinforced by 6th. Airborne parachutists, among whom was Richard Todd. One bit of understandable 'poetic licence' - in real life he was a fairly junior officer; in the movie, The Longest Day,' he was promoted to command of the whole airborne force.

Actually, IIRC, Richard Todd, although he was in the operation, in real life, as a junior officer, in the movie, he was not playing himself as commander of the force, but Maj. John Howard.
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:11 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 27):
I cannot mention a certain scene right now, though, but somehow I always get the impression in the movie that murdering german soldiers is ok, while it is shown as a crime the other way around.

isn't that always the case in WWII movies?
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:34 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 27):
I am a bit divided on SPR. It is disturbing to watch and has very powerful pictures, but in some points I think the movie kind of "loses it", when it turns a bit one-sided. I cannot mention a certain scene right now, though, but somehow I always get the impression in the movie that murdering german soldiers is ok, while it is shown as a crime the other way around.

Don't forget that it is filmed from the point of view of this small, American unit. Besides, what were the circumstances where the German soldiers were "murdered" and who said it was ok? I think all it showed was how this kind of thing happens in a war, on both sides.
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:09 pm

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Apocolypse now ... Airborne assault Huys / Littlebirds over the river in formation . Last outpost on the Nung River...
and the B-52 crashed into the jungle



How about Robert Duvall in that movie: The smell of Napalm in the morning reminds me of Victory.

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:40 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 45):
The smell of Napalm in the morning reminds me of Victory.



   Your right .. that whole scene at ..." din drin drop ..din drin bop" ..."ahhhh shit all those gook names sound the same" (quoteing the Col. ) ... was a weird scene. Charlie don't surf ... and the monstrous amphibious amtrak driving up on the landing crushing the hooch's .. the sapper attack on the medevac helo .... what well directed chaos Coppola performed in that scene.

The anti war theme is held up in every facet of that movie ...every scene has a feel of deteriorating moral and hopeless adventure in the jungles of Viet Nam.... I don't like the theme of the movie because I don't believe it is factual in the least... but he does a wonderful job of movie directing.
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Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:54 pm

I agree with many of the examples listed above, but I have to add "Enemy at the Gates" to the list. Any battle scene which includes two of the most brutal armies ever to walk the earth - and particularly one which conveys the horror of fighting such a battle - must be included. The movie wasn't the greatest ever made, but the horror of the battle scenes deserve a special note. Many of the fatalities on the Russian side were actually inflicted by the Russians themselves; they had regiments dedicated to shooting their own men if they turned back; they had a shortage of weapons and soldiers were simply ordered to take the guns of comrades who fell in battle ahead of them. Or else.

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Mon Jun 14, 2010 7:18 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 44):
where the German soldiers were "murdered" and who said it was ok?

I was exaggering a bit, but I am thinking of the one soldier who was the machine gunner that was allowed to escape and who is shot in the end. Another scene is the beginning, when they kill all soldiers in the trench. Anyway, from a pure photographic point of view, the movie indeed is very stunning and shocking.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:43 am

Quoting okie (Reply 45):
How about Robert Duvall in that movie: The smell of Napalm in the morning reminds me of Victory.

Yes - sure deserves a place on here! Everybody's favourite Commanding Officer.........  "Whadda you know about surfin,' Major, you're from goddam New Jersey....." - "That's good son, 'cos you either surf, or fight!" - "The tide doesn't come in for six hours. You wanna wait here for six hours?" - and of course, "I love the smell of napalm in the mornings......"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPcSDyaoQn0&feature=related

You have to feel that 'Colonel Kilgore of the Air Cav' was not just a 'routine' invention of the screenwriters; but that Robert Duvall himself suggested a lot of the action, gestures, and poses......and especially a lot of the marvellous quotes.......
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