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F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:50 pm

This weekend sees the GP circus re cross the Atlantic for the Spanish Grand Prix II.. oops.. European Grand Prix.

Not much dramatic news since the Canadian GP but may be some more later today with the WMSC meeting to discuss a range of things from F-ducts to tyres and USF1.

Other stories are appearing about moveable rear wings and Luca di Montezemolo has moved on from wanting a third car to now talking about a fourth car! Perhaps he will only be happy when the entire grid is comprised of Ferraris... oh, we went there and we all know how well that worked out!

Pat Fry has defected from Mclaren to the Scuderia, bet we don't hear any spying allegations from the Tifosi this time!!

Looking forward to another great weekend...

Cheers

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:41 pm

I was about to start this thread Thanks Stealthz....

Some new news....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84690
107% rule to be in effect for 2011

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84689
Moveable Wings Rule to change for 2011

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/84688
Pirelli to become the next Tyre Supplier from 2011


In Valencia news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHhlh9A3apI
Onboard lap with Felipe Massa

I for one hope Lewis Hamilton makes it 3 for 3 and finally getting 1st place at a track where he's gotten 2nd place in the last two years, one of those 2nd places questionable (cough cough Felipe Massa Pit Lane...cough)
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:48 pm

Thanks Stealthz.

I fear another boring GP. The past two editions on this track were everything but exciting  

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:52 pm

Quoting Autosport "WMSC" :
Fuel draining
With immediate effect, if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

I guess that puts pay to the McLaren "stunt" at Montreal

Quoting Autosport "WMSC":
The grid
From 2011, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107 per cent of the fastest Q1 qualifying time will not be allowed to take part in the race.

Not sure if this is a big deal, how many of the "B team" times have been slower than 107% this year? Not many if I recall.

Quoting Autosport 'WMSC":
...However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, it will enter the pit lane at the end of the lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

and this differs from the following .. how?

Quoting 2010 F1 Sporting regulations:
If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Cheers

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:23 pm

Remember that in Canada Schumi's move on Massa were to be investigated after the race? Anyone read anything about the outcome of that?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 2):
I fear another boring GP. The past two editions on this track were everything but exciting

Indeed due to the nature of the track, but also for the fact that the Canadian GP will be difficult to top. It's simply an awsome track that returned with a bang!
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:57 pm

Quoting stealthz (Thread starter):
Luca di Montezemolo has moved on from wanting a third car to now talking about a fourth car! Perhaps he will only be happy when the entire grid is comprised of Ferraris..

I had a good laugh, thank you.
His cars/drivers are not performing too well this season so this solution might be the only one for wins!

Here's to another Hammy victory!

Go Hammy!
Go Pedro!
Go Kamui!

I love you all 3!!!!



              
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:03 pm

I think Red Bull will return to form at this track, it should suit their car. Also, Alonso will get his usual homefield boost and probably wind up on the podium. I'm hoping that it will be-
1. Webber
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Button
5. Vettel
6. Massa
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:47 pm

As we know, more or less, how the top runners will end, I would like to see Liuzzi put in another good performance. Would be good to see an internal fight there as well from now on.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:14 pm

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 6):
it should suit their car

I'm not so sure, didn't Red Bull themselves say that they didn't think it would suit their car? I think McLaren will quite like this circuit. Silverstone will almost certainly be a different matter.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:54 pm

Very 'hopeful' top 6 waterpolodan, but you are forgetting about at least two drivers here: Rosberg and Kubica. May not be that boring, maybe one or two SCs, but probably no tyre degradation like in Canada, but there will be problems with grip during practice and quali.

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:02 pm

Quoting codeshare (Reply 9):
Rosberg and Kubica.

As well as they've done this year, they're not getting into the top 6 on this track on merit, they'll only crack it if any driver among the RBR/Ferrari/Mclaren brigade have an issue. I think Ferrari have leapfrogged Mercedes and Renault once again, but it's just a hunch so you may be right, we'll see. In any case, it's almost a sure bet that the top 4 are a lock for Mclaren and RBR unless Alonso has a good weekend, with nobody else having a chance at a podium.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:54 am

Terrible track, maybe if there was rain or something it could end up a little better.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
Quoting Autosport 'WMSC":
...However, if the safety car is still deployed at the beginning of the last lap, or is deployed during the last lap, it will enter the pit lane at the end of the lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

and this differs from the following .. how?

Quoting 2010 F1 Sporting regulations:
If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

Cheers

The important part is clarifying the fact that if the SC is there at any moment of the last lap, then the race is over. The current rule already meant this, but with the SC line being moved it brought confusion.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:29 am

I think Red Bull will be back in front this race, the only question would be which of the Red Bull drivers will take this one. I'm hoping it's Vettel   The championship is only about half gone and the Aussie media are already hyping up Webber. Unbelievable!

McLaren, at least Hamilton, will be right on their heels. I think this being a street circuit, the relative performance of the cars won't be dissimilar to Monaco, and Kubica should have a fairly good race.

Top 6:

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Hamilton
4. Kubica
5. Button
6. Rosberg
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:13 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
Not sure if this is a big deal, how many of the "B team" times have been slower than 107% this year? Not many if I recall.

A correction if I may, seems I was wrong.. application of the 107% rule in 2010 would have kept at least one HRT and at times a Virgin out of most races so far.

Back to the WMSC, this adjustable rear wing development looks like a can of worms and will IMO detract from the spectator angle as who will be able to tell if the driver is using the feature?

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:28 am

Well, if Webber ends up champion, they'll talk about it for a decade or two, but if he doesn't, at least they would have milked him a few months now 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:53 am

stealthz : we know the answer already, there is an adjustable front wing and nobody talks about it.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:30 am

Quoting stealthz (Reply 13):
Back to the WMSC, this adjustable rear wing development looks like a can of worms and will IMO detract from the spectator angle as who will be able to tell if the driver is using the feature?

There are rules around its use. No use in first two laps and can only be used if you're within one second of the car in front. it's designed to improve passing.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:33 am

Btw, since I've been to the 24 Hours of Le Mans, I would like to share some of my pics with you. There are only pictures taken from the pits so far. Some from the race might come later on, but since I had a crap 75-300 mm lens (giving me super soft pictures), I'm still not sure if I'll upload them...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomascourtonne/sets/72157624097773599/

I know I'm completely off topic, but since you are all petrol heads here, I'm sure you will enjoy  
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:14 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomascourtonne/sets/72157624097773599/

I know I'm completely off topic, but since you are all petrol heads here, I'm sure you will enjoy

I was at Le Mans 24 Hours race in 1962 when I was still a child, in the days when they had the real cars. I still can remember a lot about these cars from way back when.

The fabled Ferrari 250 GTO (ooooh), Ferrari 330, E type Jaguars, Lotus Elite (aaaahhhhh), Alfa Romeo, Ferrari TR, Morgan, Abarth and Porsches.

These were "the" cars!
I was already in love with some of them, especially the Lotus.
I caught the bug early.

Now the cars they have are crap but the circuit is still a nice place full of good memories.
I remember Olivier Gendebien and Maurice Trintignant.   
Those were the days...

Thank you for posting your pictures!      
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:31 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
I was at Le Mans 24 Hours race in 1962 when I was still a child, in the days when they had the real cars. I still can remember a lot about these cars from way back when.

The fabled Ferrari 250 GTO (ooooh), Ferrari 330, E type Jaguars, Lotus Elite (aaaahhhhh), Alfa Romeo, Ferrari TR, Morgan, Abarth and Porsches.

These were "the" cars!
I was already in love with some of them, especially the Lotus.
I caught the bug early.

Now the cars they have are crap but the circuit is still a nice place full of good memories.
I remember Olivier Gendebien and Maurice Trintignant.
Those were the days...

I totally understand you and I wish I could have lived this period. My father who went for the first time in 1963 has only good memories of this period, except for the bigger amount of deads than there are today.

My first time in Le Mans was in 1988, with the Jags XJR, the Porsche 962s, the Nissan and the Toyotas and the Mercedeses. They were reaching almost 400 km/h in the Mulsanne straight. And some engine sounds were unforgettable.

Today, it's not like that anymore. Not only the sound level of the engine is decreasing year after year, but there is no "melody" anymore. I miss a lot the V12s from Ferrari or the V10 from Peugeot!

The track is still amazing, but not as much as 20 years ago.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 18):
Thank you for posting your pictures!

My pleasure  
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:43 am

Let's get back into topic!

The Grand Prix d'Espagne - sorry Europe!

Go Hammy!!!!! You're The Best!!!!!!

                          
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:09 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):
I know I'm completely off topic, but since you are all petrol heads here, I'm sure you will enjoy

Thanks to your pictures, I just noticed the Lola-Aston Martins have the trademark Aston grill.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:58 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):

Amazing photos. Very accurate colors, too! Really love the shot of the Art Car, especially since I couldn't find one on the internet.  

Really appreciate you sharing.

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:42 am

Quoting FX772LRF (Reply 22):
Amazing photos. Very accurate colors, too! Really love the shot of the Art Car, especially since I couldn't find one on the internet

Thank you for the compliment  Silly

The only thing I don't understand is that I have uploaded as 1200x and it shows as 1024x...   

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:07 pm

Alonso seems to be best/quickest on this track for the time being during P2. I find this track boring but it's part of the circuit so like it or not, the race has to be.

Anyway, this is where they are at at this time. I only wish Kamui had a better car. He is such a great driver he deserves really a better car. He has a future in F1.


1 Fernando Alonso ESP 8 Ferrari 21 en piste
2 Sebastian Vettel GER 5 Red Bull 16 en piste
3 Mark Webber AUS 6 Red Bull 17 en piste
4 Nico Rosberg GER 4 Mercedes 13 en piste
5 Lewis Hamilton GBR 2 McLaren 14 dans les stands
6 Robert Kubica POL 11 Renault 17 en piste
7 Adrian Sutil GER 14 Force India 21 en piste
8 Jenson Button GBR 1 McLaren 16 dans les stands
9 Felipe Massa BRA 7 Ferrari 11 en piste
10 Michael Schumacher GER 3 Mercedes 11 dans les stands
11 Vitantonio Liuzzi ITA 15 Force India 23 en piste
12 Rubens Barrichello BRA 9 Williams 22 dans les stands
13 Vitaly Petrov RUS 12 Renault 17 en piste
14 Sébastien Buemi SUI 16 Toro Rosso 23 en piste
15 Kamui Kobayashi JPN 23 BMW Sauber 22 en piste
16 Pedro de la Rosa ESP 22 BMW Sauber 19 en piste
17 Nico Hülkenberg GER 10 Williams 18 dans les stands
18 Jaime Alguersuari ESP 17 Toro Rosso 19 en piste
19 Heikki Kovalainen FIN 19 Lotus 20 en piste
20 Jarno Trulli ITA 18 Lotus 19 en piste
21 Timo Glock GER 24 Virgin Racing 14 abandon
22 Bruno Senna BRA 21 HRT F1 16 en piste
23 Karun Chandhok IND 20 HRT F1 13 en piste
24 Lucas Di Grassi BRA 25 Virgin Racing 16 en piste
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:28 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 24):
I find this track boring

You're not the only one! This track is terrible, in the bad sense...
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 25, 2010 4:28 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 17):
I'm sure you will enjoy

I strongly object, and think this post should be removed, and a permanent ban to teach you a lesson, son. When I was at your age.........   

I agree that the track is boring, but with current switching of leaders of the championship from one race to another, I think it's pretty interesting.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Fri Jun 25, 2010 5:02 pm

My question about the "small teams":

will Virgin Racing, Hispania Racing and Lotus still be racing next season?
How about BMW Sauber?

What is your take on this?

   
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:01 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):

will Virgin Racing, Hispania Racing and Lotus still be racing next season?

Lotus and Virgin are well backed. So they will be there this season. Hispania and Sauber need to find money.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:04 pm

Quaflifyings have started. Beautiful weather down there.

Let's see what giives and who will make pole.

It could be anyone as far as I am concerned, at least among the "big" teams.

Go Hammy!!!!!!!!!!! Yes you can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  

Q1 results

1 Poland R Kubica Renault
2 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
3 Great Britain J Button McLaren
4 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
5 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
6 Australia M Webber Red Bull
7 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
8 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
9 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
10 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
11 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
12 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
13 Spain P de la Rosa BMW Sauber
14 Russia V Petrov Renault
15 Germany A Sutil Force India
16 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
17 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
18 Japan K Kobayashi BMW Sauber
19 Italy J Trulli Lotus
20 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
21 Brazil L di Grassi Virgin
22 Germany T Glock Virgin
23 India K Chandhok Hispania
24 Brazil B Senna Hispania



Q2 with

1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Australia M Webber Red Bull
3 Poland R Kubica Renault
4 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
5 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
6 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
7 Great Britain J Button McLaren
8 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
9 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
11 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
12 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
13 Germany A Sutil Force India
14 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
15 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
16 Spain P de la Rosa BMW Sauber


Q3

Position Country Driver Team
1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Australia M Webber Red Bull
3 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
4 Poland R Kubica Renault
5 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
6 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
7 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
8 Great Britain J Button McLaren
9 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
10 Russia V Petrov Renault


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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:05 pm

It's Red Bull this time. Vettel and Webber.

The Grid - European GP Valencia Spain

1 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
2 Australia M Webber Red Bull
3 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
4 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
5 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
6 Poland R Kubica Renault
7 Great Britain J Button McLaren
8 Germany N Hulkenberg Williams
9 Brazil R Barrichello Williams
10 Russia V Petrov Renault
11 Switzerland S Buemi Toro Rosso
12 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
13 Germany A Sutil Force India
14 Italy V Liuzzi Force India
15 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
16 Spain P de la Rosa BMW Sauber
17 Spain J Alguersuari Toro Rosso
18 Japan K Kobayashi BMW Sauber
19 Italy J Trulli Lotus
20 Finland H Kovalainen Lotus
21 Brazil L di Grassi Virgin
22 Germany T Glock Virgin
23 India K Chandhok Hispania
24 Brazil B Senna Hispania

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:11 pm

What happened to Mercedes? They did their worst qualifying of the year!

I hope Webber wins tommorrow!!
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:16 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 31):
I hope Webber wins tommorrow!!

I hope Hammy wins tomorrow!         

Where's Schumi?   He had so many particulars done on his cars and he is nowhere to be seen...

Maybe they should give him the Sauber tomorrow and then Kamui can take the Mercedes and be up front!   

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:30 pm

Yes! Vettel's on pole! Given that a street circuit is notoriously difficult to overtake on, this can only be good news for Vettel  

I hope Vettel takes a long awaited win to get back some momentum in his championship charge.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:09 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 31):
What happened to Mercedes?

I wonder if Brawn kicks himself to sleep every night over the fact that he brought onboard the "god all mighty" Schumi. It's nothing but embarrasing. I said so often before, and even before the season started, and will be able to say it at the end of season when, hopefully, Schumi will be declared "unfit to drive due to his neck injury".
Although they brought several updates they were not able to get in to Q1!? I thought updates were meant to make cars faster.
Yes, Rosberg didn't make it either, but he is sure consistent when it comes to outperform his team mate.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:12 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 32):
I hope Hammy wins tomorrow!

He might well do! McLaren is the only team able to compete with Red Bull at the moment.

Quoting sudden (Reply 34):
It's nothing but embarrasing. I said so often before, and even before the season started, and will be able to say it at the end of season when, hopefully, Schumi will be declared "unfit to drive due to his neck injury".

I said that I would not judge his performances before mid-season, but I have to say that he is struggling to find the pace. Maybe the problem comes from the fact that the car has not been developped according to his needs, like it was the case when he was with Ferrari. And his age is not helping.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:19 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 35):
I said that I would not judge his performances before mid-season, but I have to say that he is struggling to find the pace. Maybe the problem comes from the fact that the car has not been developped according to his needs, like it was the case when he was with Ferrari. And his age is not helping.

in his defence, if you look at where Rosberg is, I'd suggest it's more car than driver. I think Canada was an exception and was simply a poor race.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 10:24 am

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 35):
I have to say that he is struggling to find the pace. Maybe the problem comes from the fact that the car has not been developped according to his needs

I find that Schumi is far too demanding of Mercedes considering his 2010 performance. It was a circus in the garage in Monaco with Schumi playing up Big Star, hiding from us all, not wanting to sign autographs to his fans or refusing to welcome the Starlight Foundation children. Also it was pitiful of Merrcedes to keep Schumi's car hidden behind a wall while Nico's car was out in the open.

Schumi's words "I am here to stay!"

"I'm not here with a short-term view," said the German, whose driving also came in for heavy criticism at the last race in Canada.
"From my point of view we have a three-year programme. I've had to deal with much worse pain."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8765295.stm

Why he wanted to get back to F1 goes beyond my imagination.
What better car can he have aside from Ross Brawn's car?

Are they going to fire other drivers for his pleasure and give him a Red Bull or a McLaren?

I will say it again: give the Mercedes to Kamui and swap Schumi to the Sauber. I bet we will see the difference!!!! 

Go Hammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

Go Pedro!!!
Go Kamui!!!

I love you all three....................   


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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:02 am

Quoting bill142 (Reply 36):
in his defence, if you look at where Rosberg is, I'd suggest it's more car than driver. I think Canada was an exception and was simply a poor race.

Fair enough, but we're talking about a 7-time WDC winner here, holding almost all the records in F1. We're talking about someone who was pushing his team to the maximum, who could federate all the people and all the energy around him, who could transform a small team into a winning machine. So I agree that the car is not good, or probably not as good as the Red Bulls and the McLarens, but I was still expecting a bit better.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 37):
What better car can he have aside from Ross Brawn's car?

None. All the good seats were taken. Also, the Mercedes has not been developped for him. So he is struggling, especially because it understeers a lot and Schumi hates understeering. He is not comfortable with that.
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:18 am

I wonder what the teams pit stop strategy will be for this race. Probably not as much abasion on the tyres as in the last GP in Montreal, so maybe only one pit stop for tyre changes?

Oh... and it's Nico's birthday today! He is turning 25! Happy Birthday Nico!!! I think papa Keke will be in Spain with son Nico. Monaco isn't all that far away, a short run by private jet...

The England - Germany football match will take all the media today leaving the F1 race far behind I am afraid...  

I will be watching the F1 race as always, supporting my 3 favourite drivers as always. Pedro and Kamui are never forgotten!

Go Hammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                          
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:27 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 39):

The England - Germany football match will take all the media today leaving the F1 race far behind I am afraid...

Ah well, Germany vs England is old classic!  
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:58 am

I don't hear any vuvuzelas in Valencia, strangely...

OK it's all starting in a couple of minutes! Good luck to all....

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:09 pm

"Vettel hit me," says Hamilton. "I've got a vibration on my left front."

 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:13 pm

It's going to be a fun day for some of us.

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:20 pm

Looks like Hammy had a part of the car flying off after getting hit not only once but twice by the Red Bull car... He is in trouble and cannot go as fast as he likes

Webber just had a bad accident and hit the wall really badly.........
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:20 pm

WOWZERS.... Huge incident between Kovalinen an Webber.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:22 pm

Well it is Webber who hit Kovalainen.... why do Red Bulls keep hitting others?

Hammy pitted...
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:23 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 46):
Well it is Webber who hit Kovalainen.... why do Red Bulls keep hitting others?

Get over it. It was a simple racing incident.
 
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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:23 pm

Jesus!! nasty crash for Webber, holy moley, glad they are both OK...

Scary stuff

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RE: F1 2010: European Grand Prix

Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:26 pm

Kamui is in Third place? Holy Moses!

He still has to pit though...
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