KingFriday013
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RIP The V Subway Line In NYC

Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:00 pm

Last night, at 12:11am, a V train stopped at 71st-Continental Avenue in Forest HIlls on the Queensbound local track for the final time. That V train was the last V train to ever run. The V line is now being replaced by the M line, which will not terminate at 2nd Avenue/Lower East Side, but will instead cross the river into Queens and terminate at Metropolitan Avenue in Middle Village as the old M line used to. The M line's color is also being changed from brown to orange, reflecting that it is now a part of the 6th Avenue line.

Many people did not like the V and thought it was a waste of a train. However, I truly enjoyed having it around, especially in high school, as it always had seats. It wasn't around for long, but it was a nice ride. I for one will miss it.

-J.
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RE: RIP The V Subway Line In NYC

Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:00 pm

The MTA, like many transit systems in the US, is facing a lot of budget cuts right now, and unfortunately that means longer commutes for many passengers affected by route cuts.

Where I live, the local county bus service was shut down by the county commission back in March when they pulled the funding for it (The county was spending $10 million a year on the service and only getting $2.5 million in fare revenue.). It was a joke of a bus system anyway, as there were only five routes that all terminated at ATL and if you needed to get from a city on one side of the county to the other, you pretty much had to ride to the airport and switch buses as the way the system was setup, it was primarily to connect folks to MARTA. There was legislation passed in the State legislature here that would allow the residents of the county I live in to vote on a referendum on whether to levy a 1 cent sales tax to fund the system. Even if the referendum were to pass, the County Commission would have to approve restarting the service, and when you consider they voted 4-1 to shut down the system, they may not be willing to restart the service. Right now, the only bus service is operated by a state agency and provides express bus service to Downtown Atlanta from several locations in the county. I actually would not be surprised if within a few years, our county joins MARTA (For much of the time we had a bus service here, MARTA had been contracted to run the service on behalf of the county.).

Here MARTA is facing a major budget crisis and is looking to ax routes or cut back on the frequencies on many routes. A few months ago, to demonstrate the severity of the potential cuts, MARTA painted a purple X on every bus or rail car that could potentially be off the system if they had to make all of the cuts needed. In some areas, MARTA has competition from private bus services whose routes mirror MARTA's bus routes (they operate primarily in areas that are predominantly Latino) and stop at MARTA bus stops. They actually undercut MARTA's fare and there have been occasions where MARTA drivers have gotten into altercations with these drivers. I'm actually surprised that these private bus services didn't start up operations where I live when our bus service was stopped.

Public transportation seems to be one of the easiest targets for budget cuts since by nature, they are subsidized by the local governments as well as by local sales taxes. When a government is facing budget shortfalls due to a drop in their own tax collections in which to fund services, public transit seems to get the short end of the stick since it is a service that is not considered to be an essential one. Eliminating a fire station or a police precinct is seen as a riskier move PR-wise than cutting bus service of subway routes. Throw in a drop in sales tax revenue used to fund public transit, and you've got a double whammy for public transportation.
 
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RE: RIP The V Subway Line In NYC

Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:54 pm

That's nothing. In San Francisco, the Muni union somehow got their contract written into the city's charter guaranteeing them absolutely ABSURD work rules.

They can AWOL four times a year and suffer no penalty and they get unlimited sick days. The are getting a raise in the face of severe budget cuts. Also, work rules mandate that they must use all high-seniority workers before using any part-time workers. It costs almost twice as much per mile to run a vehicle in the MUNI system as it does in, say, the NYC MTA.

Essentially all Muni service has been cut after midnight. I'm surprised there haven't been riots. Union busting is prohibited by city charter, but in November there will be ballot measures to basically do just that. The Muni workers were asked to forego their raise this year and promised that they would get the back pay in two years.

Instead they flipped us all the finger and said "give us our raise now."

I don't know what can be done about these unions.
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RE: RIP The V Subway Line In NYC

Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:40 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
The MTA, like many transit systems in the US, is facing a lot of budget cuts right now, and unfortunately that means longer commutes for many passengers affected by route cuts.

And that's the biggest transit system in the country! I've been following the problems at SEPTA and Port Authority for Philly and Pittsburgh respectively here in PA. I know in Pittsburgh they're consolidating their bus route network and even in some cases eliminating underperforming routes altogether. The T has had modifications as well with consolidation and a new color code for route identification.

Port Authority wante to build two extensions, with one going underneath the Amtrak Station/Greyhound, and near the Convention Center, but due to the rising cost of the North Shore connector, that plan had to be shelved indefinitely.

I can't name any cuts of frequencies of any of SEPTA's routes right off, but yeah, transit continues to get the shaft from the feds. I just finished a research project which investigated whether the R3 could be extended back to West Chester. I found that there likely is demand that would support regional rail service, and the research also suggest further studies should be conducted. Given the lack of funding for transit, I doubt such an extension would ever come to fruition...
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RE: RIP The V Subway Line In NYC

Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:04 am

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
I just finished a research project which investigated whether the R3 could be extended back to West Chester. I found that there likely is demand that would support regional rail service, and the research also suggest further studies should be conducted. Given the lack of funding for transit, I doubt such an extension would ever come to fruition...

On the opposite end of the R3, NJT is looking into extending service on the Raritan Valley Line to West Trenton. To date, they haven't secured the $219 million needed, but I can seriously see this happening within the next 10-15 years.

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