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Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:52 pm

Hi all,

I have a question for all Brits here:

What are the requirements to play in the English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Ireland national football tems? I mean, all of you have British passports and not English, Scottish, Welsh, or Norther Ireland ones.

Do you have to be born in the respective part of the UK to play for their national football team? That's the only logical explanation I have.

Please enlighten me!

Thanks,

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:58 pm

No.. Michael Owen ( who I am sure you will remember... 5-1 in Munich and all that ) was actually born in Wales.. You can play for the country your parents were born in I am sure.. Did that happen wheh the two Boateng brothers played against each other last week?
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 8:58 pm

To play for England/Scotland/Wales/Northern Ireland, you must:
a) Be born in England to play for England, born in Scotland to play for Scotland and so on.

There are exceptions:
If you wanted to play for Scotland for eample and weren't Scottish, but had a Scottish parent or grandparent, you qualify to play for them.
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:01 pm

And anyhow half the German squad don't have German names anymore...
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:01 pm

Thanks a lot guys!

So does your passport really state "English", "Scottish", "Welsh" etc.?

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:02 pm

Sounds like the rules are slightly stricter than in, say, cricket *cough*  
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:06 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 4):
So does your passport really state "English", "Scottish", "Welsh" etc.?

Mine says I am British...
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:12 pm

Quoting ndebelebev (Reply 6):
Mine says I am British...

That is the reason why I started this thread!

I was curious who is allowed to play for which of the four national football teams the UK has, all of you have British passports.

How does the UK make a difference between the English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Irish? Is it written in your passport, in your birth certificate?

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:14 pm

Our place of birth is in our Passport but nothing that says I am English.. I'd send you a screen shot but I don't think its wise posting it on here.. Lol..

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting ndebelebev (Reply 8):
Our place of birth is in our Passport but nothing that says I am English.

Ok, logical, by knowing the birthplace you also know the part of the UK it is in.

Quoting ndebelebev (Reply 8):
I'd send you a screen shot but I don't think its wise posting it on here.. Lol..

I already saw a lot of British passports on Wikipedia. I was glued to this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_passport some days ago and after reading it, I was asking myself: "Well, all of them are British. Why do some play for England, the others for Scottland, others for Wales, etc...?".

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:49 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_passport some days ago and after reading it, I was asking myself: "Well, all of them are British. Why do some play for England, the others for Scottland, others for Wales, etc...?".

Because FIFA has decided to recognize the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish football teams as seperate teams. In some sports you have them competing seperately, and in others they are a combined Great Britain (the Olympics for instance).

In the same vein, you have the Faroe Islands competing on their own away from the Danish national team, as does Greenland - though the latter are not a member of FIFA since they don't have any grass pitches to play on...
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:54 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 10):
Because FIFA has decided to recognize the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish football teams as seperate teams. In some sports you have them competing seperately, and in others they are a combined Great Britain (the Olympics for instance).

In the same vein, you have the Faroe Islands competing on their own away from the Danish national team, as does Greenland - though the latter are not a member of FIFA since they don't have any grass pitches to play on...

Thanks a lot! Damned interesting!

I didn't ever notice that they appear as UK at the Olympics.

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 10:09 pm

The Olympics and the UK having a team taking part in football has always been a thorny issue as it has been long feared by the Scots and Welsh particularly that a lot of other countries would take the view that if they can combine for the World Cup, they can combine for all other football tournaments. Hence, the UK team for 2012 is 99% likley to be completely English as this would satisty the Olympic movement with the perceived "home" of football being represented at it's own Games, FIFA who wanted a UK team to take part and all 4 home nations as they can state that only English players were in the squad so it cannot be an issue for them to conjoing (at the original time, it was though that perhaps no more than 3 non-English players would be in it. Given how England performed at the World Cup, it's not that cut and dried what the make-up of the squad would be).

We also have seemingly strange situation that Ryan Giggs actually played at Schoolboy level for England - born Cardiff, raised in Salford and never thought about playing for any international team other than Wales.
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:13 pm

I also recall that there was a Home Championship, which used to be a competition between the four constituent nations of the UK. I wonder if it will ever be possible to bring the Home Championship back to life again, so the English, Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish can ses who's best, like they do in Rugby Union in the Six Nations tournament albeit with the addition of France and Italy (and after this World Cup, it will certainly NOT be easy for England to win this every year).
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Wed Jun 30, 2010 11:31 pm

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 10):
the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish football teams as seperate teams. In some sports you have them competing seperately, and in others they are a combined Great Britain

Even worse, Northern Ireland is not a part of Great Britain. Ever thought why it is called perfid Albion ?
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:37 am

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 6:58 am

I think the main eligibility requirement is to be completely bloody useless at whatever sport it is you are supposed to be playing     
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:23 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
I also recall that there was a Home Championship

Something very similar is being started next year, the 4 Associations Tournament - without England, but the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4_Associations%27_Tournament

Quoting iakobos (Reply 14):
Northern Ireland is not a part of Great Britain

Indeed, the inclusive term for the country including NI is the UK. The Olympic team called "Team GB" includes Northern Irish athletes who wish to be part of the team, other NI athletes can choose to represent Ireland.

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:28 am

Quoting signol (Reply 17):
Something very similar is being started next year, the 4 Associations Tournament - without England

Yup, they think they are too good to compete  
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:30 am

Quoting gkirk (Reply 18):
Yup, they think they are too good to compete

Currently, more likely is that the England team is too scared to compete!

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Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:37 am

Quoting signol (Reply 19):
Currently, more likely is that the England team is too scared to compete!

True 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:37 am

Just think how great the British team would have been if you could combine the best players from England, Wales, Northern Ireland... And if Scotland has footballplayers, maybe even they could join in?  

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:41 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Thread starter):
What are the requirements to play in the English/Scottish/Welsh/Northern Ireland national football tems?

You need to be in the top 5% of underachievers in your league to play for England.
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:04 am

Quoting signol (Reply 17):
Indeed, the inclusive term for the country including NI is the UK. The Olympic team called "Team GB" includes Northern Irish athletes who wish to be part of the team, other NI athletes can choose to represent Ireland.

That rule also existed once in football, but then FIFA imposed rules that makes switching between FAI and IFA more difficult. I believe back in the day, people could switch whenever they wanted, but now you have to choose, and once an official match is played, the choice is permanent.
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:30 am

Basically, whatever constituent country you are born in is what national team you play for, barring if you have a grandparent or parent that was born in another one, for example if you were English but had a Scottish grandmother, you could play for Scotland (At the moment, that doesn't seem like such a bad idea...  ) Your passport doesn't say English or Irish or Welsh or Scottish on it, it says British. It'll have your place of birth, like Glasgow or London or Belfast, but it doesn't have the country that it's in. I could only represent England, because both my parents and both sets of grandparents are English. My girlfriend could play for England or Northern Ireland though, as her dad is Northern Irish and her mum is English.

Once you have played for 1 of the 4 national teams of the UK you can't play for another though, so pick a good one and stick to it  

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:00 am

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 24):
Once you have played for 1 of the 4 national teams of the UK you can't play for another though, so pick a good one and stick to it

only if you have played at a senior level - you can represent england U21's then switch to Scotland senior squad I believe.

Also, if you have been in education in the chosen country for more than 5 years you also qualify. This was changed recently, allowing a Andrew Driver to qualify to play for Scotland: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot.../h/heart_of_midlothian/8731562.stm
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Fri Jul 02, 2010 11:27 am

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 21):
Just think how great the British team would have been if you could combine the best players from England, Wales, Northern Ireland... And if Scotland has footballplayers, maybe even they could join in?

If your forget the girlie sport of soccer and talk of a real mans sport RUGBY you have The British and Irish Lions team which are made up from players of the four home unions, Ireland (players from the North and South), Wales, Scotland and England. A Lions tour is one of the highlights of International Rugby; Lions tours generally occur every 4th year..
 
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:23 pm

The national rugby league team is Great Britain.
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:44 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 27):
The national rugby league team is Great Britain

It should really only be England because the rest of the UK don't play League.
 
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Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:47 pm

Quoting Andz (Reply 27):
The national rugby league team is Great Britain.

There are also England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland teams. But they are no good  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England_national_rugby_league_team
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain_national_rugby_league_team

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:47 pm

Quoting ndebelebev (Reply 3):
And anyhow half the German squad don't have German names anymore...

Oh don't start that. Only Cacau wasn't born in Germany.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 12):
We also have seemingly strange situation that Ryan Giggs actually played at Schoolboy level for England - born Cardiff, raised in Salford and never thought about playing for any international team other than Wales.

And that is a huge loss for England.

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 21):
And if Scotland has footballplayers, maybe even they could join in?

Scotland has football players...they are just impossible to ply away from the sheep  
Quoting metroliner (Reply 22):

You need to be in the top 5% of underachievers in your league to play for England.

And Emile Heskey  
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:09 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
And Emile Heskey

Aye, problem is, he'd still walk into the united states team  
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:34 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 26):
If your forget the girlie sport of soccer

Never heard of it. I quite like football though...  
Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Scotland has football players...they are just impossible to ply away from the sheep

Come to think of it, I have actually seen the scottish national team in action. They beat Norway 2-1 in Oslo... what does that tell you about the Norwegian team...  
Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Emile Heskey

I don't know what kind of "services" he is providing for Mr. Capello off the pitch, but he must be damn good at it for getting picked for England...

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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:09 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
Quoting ndebelebev (Reply 3):
And anyhow half the German squad don't have German names anymore...

Oh don't start that. Only Cacau wasn't born in Germany.

Start what? Read the facts before you state who was born where.. Both Klose and Podolski were born in Poland for a start, Marin was born in Bosnia..

It was purely an observation by myself that the players without German sounding names have obviously chosen to play for Germany and have parents of other nationalities.. as is the context of this thread!
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:55 am

It's simple, if you're really bad at football, you play for England. And if you're really really really bad at football, you play for one of the rest.
 
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RE: Requirement To Play In The UK National Teams?

Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:16 pm

At the minute I think if we had a UK team only Gareth Bale would be the obvious candidate. Otherwise, it would just be the England team.

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