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NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 5:15 pm

Well, the great NBA free agent class of 2010 is here, and is about to be gone.

After parading six teams through to make presentations, LeBron James is going to announce his decision tomorrow on TV. The choices seem to be narrowed down to Miami and staying in Cleveland, but my money says he'll stay with the Cavs, but quite possibly only three years or so.

Dwyane Wade will stay in Miami and bring Chris Bosh with him down there. If they manage to land James as well, they will be a juggernaut.

As a Bulls fan I am disappointed, although I never really thought they had a shot at any of the big three, other than Bosh. They will get better, as they will probably sign a consolation prize in the form of David Lee or Carlos Boozer, but will remain a firmly second tier team. I just hope they don't overpay too badly, as I think that neither of those guys was a max player. There was a rumor yesterday that they were in negotiations with the Raptors for a sign and trade for Bosh, but the sticking point was the Bulls not wanting to give up Joakim Noah. Unless getting Bosh was going to be their ticket to getting Wade they made the right decision. The Bulls should be alright, but they are still going to be in what one radio host calls "NBA Hell" and that is basically right.

As far as their failure to get LeBron, the Bulls seem to have hitched themselves to the wrong horse. Their main in was William "World Wide Wes" Wesley, who last week was more or less removed from the LeBron camp. I think that their chances to land King James died then. But that Heinrich trade on draft night is starting to look really, really bad. And to add insult to injury, Kevin Durant reupped for five years with the Thunder. Basically that means that the Bulls will be able to get their one big man this year, and honestly after that, I think their best option is to accept mediocrity for another year and hope to get Carmelo Anthony next year but that is just as long a shot as LeBron James. Also, try to move Deng and his comically high salary, but that is easier said than done.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:16 pm

Appears to be so. However this whole free agency period is showing everyone how much LeBron is full of himself. "The King" needs to announce his decision on a 1 hour TV special? Get over yourself! He has yet to win a single ring and storms off of the court like a spoiled brat when he loses. Basically he has become a primadonna who prefers to talk rather than show it on the court.

Dude needs to grow up...
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:22 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
As a Bulls fan

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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:27 pm

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 1):
"The King" needs to announce his decision on a 1 hour TV special? Get over yourself!

He bought the hour of programming and is donating the ad proceeds to charity.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):
"Carlos Booooozzzzzerrrrrrr"

Just about. Either that or they might break a cardinal rule of basketball: never sign the white guy. Anyway, super team or no super team in their conference I don't think a whole lot changes for the Bulls since there will definitely be at least three or four teams that are clearly better than them. The Bulls with Carlos Boozer aren't that much better than the Bulls without Carlos Boozer, and neither is good enough to win a title.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:31 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
LeBron James is going to announce his decision tomorrow on TV.

I heard he is going to sign with the NYK.

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
Carmelo Anthony

He is staying with the Nuggets after Denver just showed him the money of $65 million per a Denver Post article that I saw in print.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 9:58 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
I heard he is going to sign with the NYK

I heard that rumor too. I don't know why he would want to go play for that God awful team with their clown for a coach. If he wants to go to the Big Apple that badly, he would probably be better off signing with the Nets (owned by a Russian billionaire and his friend Jay Z) either now or in a couple years when they move to Brooklyn. I wouldn't rule that out, especially if he signs a short deal with the Cavs.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
He is staying with the Nuggets after Denver just showed him the money of $65 million per a Denver Post article that I saw in print.

That's what I figured would happen, since they want to get in under the CBA. There is nothing worth waiting for next year, and not much decent left this year. Plus the Bulls are good enough to spend the next few years bouncing around in the bottom four seed of the Eastern Conference and not getting high draft picks. That is NBA hell.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:32 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Thread starter):
Their main in was William "World Wide Wes" Wesley

I'm still trying to figure this guy out.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):

I heard that rumor too. I don't know why he would want to go play for that God awful team with their clown for a coach. If he wants to go to the Big Apple that badly, he would probably be better off signing with the Nets (owned by a Russian billionaire and his friend Jay Z) either now or in a couple years when they move to Brooklyn. I wouldn't rule that out, especially if he signs a short deal with the Cavs.

Well, either one makes some sense. He gets an athletic big man in Amare Stoudamire if he moves to the Knicks, though Antawn Jamison didn't really help in a similar role with the Cavs. He gets exposure and a chance to build up a loser team in the Nets, who may be the hotter ticket after the move to Brooklyn.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:41 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
He bought the hour of programming and is donating the ad proceeds to charity.

Not trying to be a hater or anything, but there are many other ways to help with charity without making everything revolve around yourself and masquerading it as something else than it really is: "Hey America, look at where 'King James' is going!"

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...5nYcB?slug=aw-lebrondecision070710
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Wed Jul 07, 2010 10:50 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
I'm still trying to figure this guy out.

He is a pretty mysterious character, but here is what I gather. He is from New Jersey and started rubbing shoulders with basketball players as a shoe salesman and when he worked at and later ran a club owned by Rick Mahorn. He is known to be a confidant of MJ and friends with many players and coaches. Basically he introduces people and gets introduced to quality basketball players from high school on up. Supposedly Worldwide Wes is sometimes involved in college recruiting, which is a very shady business.

Apparently, as it relates to the current situation, he was the Bulls' main inside contact in the chase for LeBron. Wes was supposedly the architect behind the rumored plan a month or two back to get John Calipari to coach the Bulls and bring in James. That deal, of course, fell through. Maybe the NCAA just didn't have enough dirt yet to make Cal jump ship. Anyway, then late last week Leon Rose and Maverick Carter announced that Wes would not be present at the presentations in Ohio. With their inside man tossed out of the James camp, it became a long shot for the Bulls, though they will probably make a last ditch effort after the Boozer signing.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
He gets an athletic big man in Amare Stoudamire if he moves to the Knicks,

The Knicks still suck though. I think the Nets have better pieces and present a better opportunity, but that will get even better in a couple years.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:38 am

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 7):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
He bought the hour of programming and is donating the ad proceeds to charity.

Not trying to be a hater or anything, but there are many other ways to help with charity without making everything revolve around yourself and masquerading it as something else than it really is: "Hey America, look at where 'King James' is going!"

Show me a more efficient way of earning charity dollars per minute than selling what is likely going to be very highly-sought after advertising space (read: high rates).
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:39 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
they might break a cardinal rule of basketball: never sign the white guy.

Good rule. I heard about these crappy players named Bird, Nash, West, Walton and Stockton. Losers...

 
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
I heard he is going to sign with the NYK.

A week ago I would have laughed at that...now, not so much. As a Bulls fan, I've lost that hope, but I sure hope he doesn't go to the Knicks. The last thing I want is New Yorkers thinking their sub-par city is even better than they already (incorrectly) think it is!
 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:05 am

I'm also a Bulls fan. I wish I could talk to Lebron. When its all said and done I don't think Lebron will be as good as MJ or Kobe, however he is the Bulls best chance to be a contender for the next few years. I would tell Lebron that he can stay in Cleveland and maybe win a title or two if they add the right pieces and get very lucky. He could go to Miami, which I think is more likely than anything. Or he could join Boozer in Chicago and we could very possibly see Miami and Chicago in the east finals for few years and we'd have something that the NBA, espically the eastern conference needs, a rivalry. Having said what I just said, I realize that the Jerry Krause bad luck charm is alive and well and Lebron is sure to sign anywhere but Chicago.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:26 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 10):
Good rule. I heard about these crappy players named Bird, Nash, West, Walton and Stockton. Losers...

Narrow it down to Americans then. Who is the best white American player of the last decade? I swear if anybody says Tyler Hansbrough...

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 11):
When its all said and done I don't think Lebron will be as good as MJ or Kobe,

If he wants to be in that group he better get some rings. But physically, he is better than Jordan. LeBron does things that Jordan could only dream of. That said, I have a hard time dogging LeBron for not having any rings yet, since a lot of people seem to forget that MJ had a learning curve too.

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 11):
however he is the Bulls best chance to be a contender for the next few years.

The Bulls are his best chance to win a title as well.

With this whole process I won't be angry. It won't make me angry if LeBron doesn't choose Chicago, and I won't be angry at the Bulls for not landing him, unless we hear later that they somehow screwed the pooch.

What I don't want to hear, though, is LeBron say that he chose Cleveland because he thinks it is his best chance to win. There are plenty of good reasons for him to stay like more money, staying near home, finishing what he started, keeping an eye on his slutty mom, etc. If he wants to do all that fine, but that isn't his best chance to win. If winning titles is really what he cares most about, he will go to Miami or Chicago. Realistically, Chicago is probably the more complete team at this stage since he would be the sixth (I think) player on the Heat roster, and three of them aren't that appealing.

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 11):
I would tell Lebron that he can stay in Cleveland and maybe win a title or two if they add the right pieces and get very lucky.

They need to start adding pieces quick and getting rid of the old ones. Having two immobile big men isn't helping.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:40 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
The Bulls are his best chance to win a title as well.


I hope he realizes that, although I'm afraid there will be too many people telling him that Miami will be his best chance of winning a title.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
keeping an eye on his slutty mom


Hahahaha!. I think I read somewhere that mommy would move to wherever he goes. He'll just have to make a don't sign Dalonte west clause in his contract.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Chicago is probably the more complete team at this stage since he would be the sixth (I think) player on the Heat roster, and three of them aren't that appealing.


I hope he can see that. I just hope there aren't too many people steering him in different directions.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:50 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 10):

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
they might break a cardinal rule of basketball: never sign the white guy.

Good rule. I heard about these crappy players named Bird, Nash, West, Walton and Stockton. Losers...

Agreed. Anyone who's tried to drag Walton (and Lanier) up and down the court for 48 minutes knows how painful that is.  
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:24 am

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 1):
"The King" needs to announce his decision on a 1 hour TV special? Get over yourself!

He said he is going to make the announcement within the first 15 minutes. I guess the rest of the time will be question and answers? That will be one long hour of TV!
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:41 am

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 15):
He said he is going to make the announcement within the first 15 minutes. I guess the rest of the time will be question and answers? That will be one long hour of TV!

Also it is being titled "The Decision"  
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:14 pm

The latest rumors have LeBron going to Miami to form a superteam with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. And Mario Chalmers and Michael Beasley plus whoever else they find. Obviously all these rumors can't be true. I have to say that the James camp has been really good about controlling leaks.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:29 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Who is the best white American player of the last decade?

Brian Scalabrine. He's a ginger with nearly limitless amounts of bench time, exactly what I imagine a white player on the Celtics should be, and making him an all star in my book.

As for LBJ, if the impossible happens and he does end up here in Miami, I'd be utterly thrilled and I'd bet that the season tickets would sell out in a few hours after that news, but we would be putting ourselves in a very dangerous place. If one of those 3 guys gets injured, what are we left with? God forbid 2 of them go down for a long stretch. We won't have any money left to sign anyone beyond mediocre bit players, and Chalmers/Beasley have proven already that they're not ready to carry the burden when the superstars can't produce... Anyway, I still hope it happens, and IMO it'd be Pat Reily's greatest coup since his Laker days to put together what would be a superteam, even better than his sigining Shaq and taking us to the 2006 title. I'll bet he'd have a hard time staying in the front office and not replacing Spoelstra as the coach, especially considering Spoelstra's relative lack of experience and general mediocrity.
 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:31 pm

Quoting KBUF (Reply 14):
Agreed. Anyone who's tried to drag Walton (and Lanier) up and down the court for 48 minutes knows how painful that is

Heyoooooooo

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Who is the best white American player of the last decade

Well...uh...Nash went to school in America if that counts  

You're right, the last decade, the best whities have been foreign...Nash, Nowitzki, Ginobili, Gasol et al.

I would argue the best American white player currently in the NBA is David Lee. He's no Hall of Fame player, but he's a good solid player. Personally, I think he is underrated...not amazing, but underrated. For his career, he has a .557 FG%, and 13 PPG. Compared to other Power Forwards, Kevin Garnett has a .497 career FG%, Tim Duncan is .508, and Nowitzki is .473.

Another decent one is Jason Williams. Not great, but pretty good. He is, however, pretty close to retirement. I say next year is his last, or MAYBE one past that.

But yes, you're right, white American players in the NBA are pretty mediocre these days. Finding the best white American player is still a struggle.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
I swear if anybody says Tyler Hansbrough...

Wait are we talking basketball players or douchebags?
 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:32 pm

So as a Knicks fan, our nuclear winter may finally be over? Oh wait Dolan still owns and runs the team. Back to the shelter!
 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:44 pm

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 18):
We won't have any money left to sign anyone beyond mediocre bit players, and Chalmers/Beasley have proven already that they're not ready to carry the burden when the superstars can't produce.

Well, you do have the mid level exception left. But that is why many people seem to agree that LeBron's best chance at a ring is in Chicago. From a basketball standpoint, I think it would be roughly equal, but if he wins in Miami there would be a "yeah but" attached to that ring. Maybe he doesn't care, which isn't inconceivable at all.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 18):
I'd be utterly thrilled and I'd bet that the season tickets would sell out in a few hours after that news

Supposedly the phones were ringing off the hook at the Chicago Bulls after they traded (really gave away) Kirk Heinrich on draft night.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 19):
I would argue the best American white player currently in the NBA is David Lee

That's probably the best I could come up with too.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 19):
Wait are we talking basketball players or douchebags?

I hate when people say they love his hustle. Calling someone a "hustle player" or a "high motor guy" basically means that he sucks.

Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 20):
So as a Knicks fan, our nuclear winter may finally be over? Oh wait Dolan still owns and runs the team. Back to the shelter!

Really, if LeBron wants to play in New York, I can't imagine why he would want to play for the Knicks instead of the Nets.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:01 pm

If Lebron does end up in Miami which I think will happen, they might have to have 2 basketballs on the court at all times. 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:03 pm

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 22):
they might have to have 2 basketballs on the court at all times

I say they'll have to widen the course to fit the Wade + James ego combo. NBA rule changes are in the mix, I'm tellin' ya!
 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:24 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Narrow it down to Americans then. Who is the best white American player of the last decade? I swear if anybody says Tyler Hansbrough...

You mean sitting on the end of the Pacers' bench in street clothes with a mysterious inner ear ailment doesn't get him any love?
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 6:47 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
I don't know why he would want to go play for that God awful team with their clown for a coach.

I don't know why LeBron would want to go to NYK, but Mike D'Antoni is not a clown. He did real well with PHX before going to NYK. Mike going to NYK was a huge mistake, IMO. I hear that they got Amare signed. A huge blow and a huge loss for PHX.

Quoting WESTERN737800 (Reply 11):
Kobe,

Kobe is a joke, self-centered piece of crap. It is all about him and nobody else on that Lakers team. He is a turn-off to me.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 19):
Nash

Nash is a real fun player to watch. I like how Nash plays.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 7:08 pm

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 18):
As for LBJ, if the impossible happens and he does end up here in Miami, I'd be utterly thrilled and I'd bet that the season tickets would sell out in a few hours after that news,

Just heard on ESPN that Miami Heat has already sold out of season tickets. Lots of speculators out there. If he doesn't sign with the Heat there could be some good deals on Heat season tickets this next year on the secondary market.
 
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 9:28 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
Mike D'Antoni is not a clown. He did real well with PHX before going to NYK.

Yes he is. What person in their right mind would get a coach who doesn't believe in defense? He (and by extension Vinny Del Negro) is never going to win a title by letting his players run around like idiots.
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:48 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 27):
Yes he is.

Maybe as a NYK coach, but not when he was the PHX coach.
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:05 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 25):
Kobe is a joke, self-centered piece of crap. It is all about him and nobody else on that Lakers team. He is a turn-off to me.

LOL! Have you been watching the Lakers the last couple of years? In fact during game 7? Kobe has matured significantly recently, and I'm not saying this as a Laker fan, but I would still right now pick Kobe over Lebron. 5 rings vs. 0 and an inflated ego.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:11 pm

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 29):
Have you been watching the Lakers the last couple of years?

Kobe is one of the main reasons (the biggest reason) why I don't pay any attention to the LAL.

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 29):
Kobe has matured significantly recently

Kobe will always be Kobe. The dude has not even matured.
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Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:33 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 30):
Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 29):
Have you been watching the Lakers the last couple of years?

Kobe is one of the main reasons (the biggest reason) why I don't pay any attention to the LAL.

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 29):
Kobe has matured significantly recently

Kobe will always be Kobe. The dude has not even matured.

Well if you don't pay any attention to the Lakers then you wouldn't really know would you? Things have changed a lot and the one who has been acting like a primadonna lately definitely isn't Kobe.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:54 pm

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 31):

Kobe has an ego and a mouth. He hasn't changed one bit.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:15 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
Kobe has an ego and a mouth. He hasn't changed one bit.

I dislike Kobe and the Lakers immensely. But give the guy credit. He at least knows what it takes to win.

Quoting mdsh00 (Reply 29):
LOL! Have you been watching the Lakers the last couple of years? In fact during game 7? Kobe has matured significantly recently, and I'm not saying this as a Laker fan, but I would still right now pick Kobe over Lebron. 5 rings vs. 0 and an inflated ego.

True. Still hate Kobe, but true. I would pick Kobe over LeBron in a heartbeat. I don't think Kobe's ego is quite as developed as LeBron's. Who hijacks a network for an hour to make an announcement?

Send an email or tweet (whatever that is).
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:25 am

Quoting JM017 (Reply 33):
Who hijacks a network for an hour to make an announcement?

Point taken.
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting JM017 (Reply 33):
Who hijacks a network for an hour to make an announcement?

I had this argument with my coworkers today. Here was my side:

In the USA, every four years, politicians take over the airwaves multiple times for 1+ hour, each time, to belittle and criticize each other in a feeble attempt to make themselves look better at the expense of others, whether they speak the truth or not. It is on every news network and most non-cable networks, and you cannot escape it.

Once in NBA history, a star takes over a cable channel (which can be avoided) for one hour to tell people where he wants to play, and (likely) not criticize one single person. All of the proceeds from this hour go to charity.

Who is the real hijacker?
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:42 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 35):
In the USA, every four years, politicians take over the airwaves multiple times for 1+ hour, each time, to belittle and criticize each other in a feeble attempt to make themselves look better at the expense of others, whether they speak the truth or not. It is on every news network and most non-cable networks, and you cannot escape it.

Once in NBA history, a star takes over a cable channel (which can be avoided) for one hour to tell people where he wants to play, and (likely) not criticize one single person. All of the proceeds from this hour go to charity.

Who is the real hijacker?

The problem here is that the hijacking is done by Lebron himself. The President works for the People of the U.S; as well as other elected politicians have to report to their People as well He is required by law to report to the People. There is more to life than basketball. Lebron doesn't need an 1 hour special to announce where he is gonna play. He can do a news conference but doing an 1 hour special is a bit much.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:02 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 36):
The President works for the People of the U.S; as well as other elected politicians have to report to their People as well He is required by law to report to the People

I'm talking about Presidential candidates vying for the office every 4 years...presidential debates. There is nothing "required by law" about having multiple debates for the primary elections followed by multiple debates for the general election. But, that happens every four years...
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:07 am

Quoting JM017 (Reply 33):
I would pick Kobe over LeBron in a heartbeat.

I wouldn't. Kobe is getting old and injured. He is a truly great player, but the sun is starting to set for him.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 35):
Once in NBA history, a star takes over a cable channel (which can be avoided) for one hour to tell people where he wants to play, and (likely) not criticize one single person.

It will make me think about LeBron a bit differently. This takes grandstanding to a whole new level, and I think that it proves that he likes the attention when before he was pretty much all about basketball.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 28):
Maybe as a NYK coach, but not when he was the PHX coach.

Yes he was. He should have gotten further than he did with those teams but he didn't because he doesn't care to play defense. "Defense wins championships" is one of the most clichéd bits of wisdom in all of sports, but it is true.
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:12 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 35):
Once in NBA history, a star takes over a cable channel (which can be avoided) for one hour to tell people where he wants to play

Well I am watching it now and I think we will see LeBron only for 10 or 15 minutes (the announcment and Q&A) and the rest of the time it will be ESPN talking about it.

PS - as soon as the announcement is made I am changing the channel!
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:31 am

He's going to Miami, which I don't think is a terrible decision. But he said win for multiple years, but Wade is getting kinda injured, so I don't know if that is going to happen.

But in a way, LeBron just said that he wants a ring, but doesn't want to do the heavy lifting. Any title he wins there will have a huge asterisk next to it in the mind of fans because that isn't his team. It will be a black mark against his legacy, but if he doesn't care I can't hold that against him. It would be hard for him to reach the same plateau as MJ or Kobe in Miami.

Either way, I don't see much point in playing next season for the Bulls.
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:02 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 40):
Wade is getting kinda injured, so I don't know if that is going to happen.

He was pretty healthy last year, and keep in mind that no small part of his injuries in the past were due to his basically being the only hope for the team and the resultant 40+ minute games he was forced to play constantly, sacrificing his body all the time to get the points the team needed. With 2 other excellent scoring threats, Wade won't be the focus of the defense and won't be battered nearly as much, so I think he'll be fine.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 40):
Any title he wins there will have a huge asterisk next to it in the mind of fans because that isn't his team. It will be a black mark against his legacy,

I don't think that's true at all. I don't think there is any way that Wade or LBJ will be put in the shadow by the other, they'll play well together and I think that both have proven to the world that they're absolute top notch hall of famers, they just understand that to win a title requires so much more than a team built around one standout (unless you're the Lakers...  ).
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:08 am

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 41):
they just understand that to win a title requires so much more than a team built around one standout

There is a difference between building a team around someone and being a hanger on chasing a title. What LeBron did was what you would expect someone to do in the twilight of their career.

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 41):
I don't think that's true at all

There will be. When fans look back to compare LeBron with the other all time greats, he probably won't get full ownership of the rings he wins in Miami.

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Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:18 am

I think Wade, LeBron, and Bosh will play well together. They seemed to play well together on the Beijing olympic team.
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:20 am

Quoting sw733 (Reply 37):
I'm talking about Presidential candidates vying for the office every 4 years...presidential debates. There is nothing "required by law" about having multiple debates for the primary elections followed by multiple debates for the general election. But, that happens every four years...

But there's a legitimate public interest in all the election stuff, even if it does go over the top (and it does, but that's more of the news networks' making than the candidates'). Are we really going to pretend that there is a legitimate public interest in what James did that couldn't be achieved with a press conference?

BTW, the owner of the Cavaliers is pissed:   

http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/news/gilbert_letter_100708.html

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"

Yeah, we'll see how that one turns out. But one can certainly hope. I tend to dislike every basketball team, save the Knicks, Nets, and whatever team Steve Nash is playing on. But now the Heat join Boston and the Lakers in the "team non grata" category.

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Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:31 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 44):
"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"

 
Quoting Mir (Reply 44):
But now the Heat join Boston and the Lakers in the "team non grata" category.

You hate them because they are good?
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:24 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 45):
You hate them because they are good?

I hate the Celtics because they're from Boston, and I hate all Boston teams - them being good or not has little to do with it. And yes, I am sick of seeing the Lakers win. People hate the Yankees because they're good, and I'm fine with that as a Yankees fan, so why is it wrong for me to do the same for other teams?

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Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:55 am

Yes! I am very happy right now, I wont believe this is true until they sign their contracts and play a game. Anyway these three superstars are all taking less money, they want to win. Wade and Lebron make a enough money off the court anyway. It will be very interesting to see who fills out this Heat roster and how much of a pay cut these three take.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 40):
He's going to Miami, which I don't think is a terrible decision. But he said win for multiple years, but Wade is getting kinda injured, so I don't know if that is going to happen.

Injured? He had one banged up year, he was good last year and even if he does miss some games Bosh and James is a good duo too.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 40):
It would be hard for him to reach the same plateau as MJ or Kobe in Miami.

Kobe won his championships with Shaq and then had Gasol, Bynum and Odom so its not like Kobe didnt have great players around him and lets not forget Jordan had Horce Grant, Toni Kucko, Rodman, and oh one of the top 50 NBA players of all time Scottie Pippen.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 42):
ownership of the rings he wins in Miami.

As Lebron said it himself You make youself a superstar TEAMS become champions. You wont find ANY team in history of professional sports that has won a championship with one all star. What Lebron did with the teams he had in Cleveland taking them to the playoffs, two 60 win seasons in a row and a Finals appearance. Lebron now has his scottie pippen in Dwayne Wade and yes they have Bosh too which will be great. But its not like Kobe and MJ didnt have help. Will Lebron be known as a better player then MJ NO way no one will, Kobe? Maybe. And James is a bit younger then Wade so in 2-3 years this will be James's team and if they win then it will be his playing that gets them there with the help of Wade and Bosh.

We will see what happens, it will be fun to watch and there are still some good teams as there just as good or better then the Heat: Orlando, Chicago, Los Angeles.
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Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:09 am

Quoting flymia (Reply 47):
He had one banged up year, he was good last year and even if he does miss some games Bosh and James is a good duo too.

He's not that big of a guy and he has some hard miles on him. Wade has a tendency to get beat around a lot, kind of the same way Iverson always did but not quite as bad.

Quoting flymia (Reply 47):
As Lebron said it himself You make youself a superstar TEAMS become champions.

I'm not disputing that, but without a doubt Kobe is the man on those Lakers teams, just like Jordan was the man on those Bulls teams. They had great players around them, but they were the ones in control.

Will LeBron be the man on this Heat team? Maybe. Like I said if LeBron doesn't care that is fine, I don't have a problem with it. But the consensus, which I tend to agree with, is that LeBron took the easy route. I think that fans will put a "yeah but" with titles King James wins with Wade when they look back on his career, just like Kobe had when he was playing with Shaq.

Quoting flymia (Reply 47):
We will see what happens, it will be fun to watch and there are still some good teams as there just as good or better then the Heat:

That depends on how they fill out their roster. They have the mid level exception left, so I think they will make out just fine and will be the team to beat in the Eastern Conference. I think that if they play their cards right, the Lakers will be the team that can maybe match them.

Chicago won't be bad with the addition of Boozer and they will probably add some white shooter too. I hope they don't feel like they need to spend money though. That whole speech from Gar Foreman about how money is the best resource to build a team isn't looking so good now that there is nothing left to buy, and won't be for the foreseeable future with the extensions to Melo and Durant (that is a team to watch). They are going to face a Miami team that is excellent unless they screw up, and I think that Orlando and Boston are also clearly better than the Bulls, leaving them along with Atlanta and Milwaukee to be playoff also rans year after year. In short, they are screwed.
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RE: NBA Free Agency Falling Into Place

Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:31 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 48):
He's not that big of a guy and he has some hard miles on him. Wade has a tendency to get beat around a lot, kind of the same way Iverson always did but not quite as bad.

I agree with that he does, Wade takes it to the hole a lot and strong but now with two all stars with him the focus wont be only on him

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 48):
I'm not disputing that, but without a doubt Kobe is the man on those Lakers teams,

Well the early Shaq years is was Shaq but the last two where his teams no doubt about that. And I think Wade will take the leadership role, and they will play together just fine.

Will be a fun team to watch and me being in DC most of the year I am happy I will probably get to watch a lot of games on National TV  
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