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Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:14 pm

While I usually don't start sports-related threads, the topic at hand IMHO warrants posting.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/y...es-close-to-trade-for-mariners-ace

Openning exerpt:

The New York Yankees have moved very close to prying Cliff Lee from the Seattle Mariners in return for a package of players that includes prized catching prospect Jesus Montero, according to a published report.

If this indeed happens, this will just further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake in trading Cliff Lee several months ago. Philly sportscaster, Angelo Cataldi of AM 610 WIP, will definitely have something to squawk about when he comes back from vacation. He's already been hammering on the Phillies as of late.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:32 pm

Way better than if he goes to the Twins.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:33 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
Phillies management made a major mistake in trading Cliff Lee several months ago.



I was certainly shaking my head when they did that ... Lee is a gamer. But you never know what was going on in the background.

Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay? .... Hallady is having a pretty good year 2.33 ERA 10 / 7 ... not bad. But the rest of the staff is struggling . They still have a good staff .... Moyers , Blanton , Hammels just having bad seasons.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:36 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 2):
Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay?

I think they traded him to get Halladay. Remember last season Philly was the most likely destination for Halladay, but they never came to an agreement with the Jays and the Phillies went out and got Cliff Lee. Then in the offseason they finally cut a three way deal with Lee going to Seattle and Halladay going to the Phillies.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:41 pm

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 2):
Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay?

Let's be clear, Lee leaving the Phillies was NOT his own doing. According to Phillies management at the time, they could not afford to have both Lee and Halladay.

Whether they actually couldn't afford to have both pitchers or just simply didn't want to pay for both pitchers is a whole other story.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:40 pm

I feel a bit wierd saying this as a Yankees fan, but...why do the Yankees need Cliff Lee? Not that I would be unhappy to have him, but I'm not sure the cost is going to be worth it. It's not as if the current pitching staff is in shambles, even with the struggles of Burnett and Vazquez.

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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:08 pm

Well, they'll get a real good look at him tonight - he's pitching against them. I've been to one of the games he's pitched and saw a few more on TV and this guy's great. I can see why teams would want him. It's a darned shame for us here in Seattle that almost no one on the team can hit their weight this year and the season is pretty much lost. Had they played to their potential and made a run at the division title, Lee may have found this place to his liking and they may have at least had a shot at keeping him. Now their only real choice is to deal him to some other team so they get something in return instead of just watching him walk at the end of the season and get zilch.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Way better than if he goes to the Twins.

As a White Sox fan, I will have to respectfully disagree  
 
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 4:48 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
Let's be clear, Lee leaving the Phillies was NOT his own doing. According to Phillies management at the time, they could not afford to have both Lee and Halladay.



Agreed ... and looking at the Phillies staff with Halladay I can see how management would be optimistic . Moyers is old but he is still a gamer Hammels and Blanton are quality starters. The Phillies offence has been off this year ... but I have a feeling they will crank it up and make a good run against Atl.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:26 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
I feel a bit wierd saying this as a Yankees fan, but...why do the Yankees need Cliff Lee?

No, they don't. And to give up two prospects (one of whom, Montero, has been said to have phenomenal promise if his defense can be polished a bit) is silly. And although Cano isn't going anywhere anytime soon, what other depth do the Yankees have in second-basemen in terms of farm players?

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
Well, they'll get a real good look at him tonight - he's pitching against them.

Apparently the offer expires once the game starts. The Yankees want to finish the deal before the game so they don't have to face Lee, presumably.

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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:51 pm

A sellout attitude, but I can't blame a 31 year old guy that wants to win a WS. Roy Oswalt is another guy NYY, Phillies, etc could go get before October.

Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake

What are you talking about? They got the best pitcher in baseball for Lee.  
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 2):
Maybe he didn't want to be there with Halladay?

see below.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
I think they traded him to get Halladay.

  

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
Hammels

Can't recall a great season ever for Hamels, outside of 2007, which wasn't Cy Young worthy.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
Blanton

A better option than Hamels, but I'll take Happ when he's healthy over Blanton.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
The Phillies offence has been off this year

An understatement.
 
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:44 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 9):
Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake

What are you talking about? They got the best pitcher in baseball for Lee.

Getting Halladay (nothing against him mind you) should NOT have been at the expense of Lee; the pitcher who actually was responsible for Phillies 2 wins in last year's World Series.

This isn't just solely my opinion either, but many sports fans in the Delaware Valley/Greater Philly area share a similar view. Heck, even retired Red Sox pitcher and former-Phillies pitcher Curt Schilling commented similar as well.

From the words of Philly Sportscaster, Angelo Cataldi:

http://www.angelocataldi.com/rants.html

Key Exerpts from July 7, 2010 commentary:

If there is one thing (Phillies GM Rueben) Amaro has taught us, waiting for the right deal is not always a great idea anyway. He waited six weeks after the 2009 season for the Cliff Lee trade to come together, and how did that work out? Sometimes, it’s not who you got to help your team, but when you got him, that matters the most.

The Phillies are in crisis right now, and they have been there for over a month.
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There’s a very good chance all of those injuries are a sign that 2010 is not their year, and no single move is going to change that fate.

But to sit idly by and do nothing is unacceptable, especially after Amaro started the downward spiral himself with that massive Lee brain cramp. In fact, I suggested to Amaro recently that he had created a bad karma with the Lee deal, and he didn’t punch me in the mouth. (OK, it was a phone interview, but still . . . . )


Quoting fxramper (Reply 9):
Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
The Phillies offence has been off this year

An understatement.

   Another reason why they ultimately lost last year's World Series.

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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:30 pm

Thank goodness, Cliff Lee to the Rangers. Pat will be happy.   

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 10):
Getting Halladay (nothing against him mind you) should NOT have been at the expense of Lee; the pitcher who actually was responsible for Phillies 2 wins in last year's World Series.

The Phillies aren't the Yankees (payroll).
 
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Fri Jul 09, 2010 11:35 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 6):
As a White Sox fan, I will have to respectfully disagree

I'm kind of a Sox fan too, and I want him anywhere but Minnesota.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:50 pm

I'm in the Dallas area...can't tell if the folks around here are happier to (1) get Lee,or (2) drive a stick through the spokes of a Yankee front office that is used to getting what they want.

Lee pitches tonight in his first Ranger start.
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Sat Jul 10, 2010 7:12 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
If this indeed happens, this will just further confirm that the Phillies management made a major mistake in trading Cliff Lee several months ago.

As a huge Seattle Mariners fan (diehard, I say...) this will also apply to Seattle. Seattle has had a history of being know of trading away the best players for prospects and getting nothing in return in the last 8 years or so.... This pattern needs to stop.

This is Seattle's to lose. Seattle needs to ditch GM Jack Z. in an instant!!!
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:37 am

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 8):
And to give up two prospects (one of whom, Montero, has been said to have phenomenal promise if his defense can be polished a bit) is silly. And although Cano isn't going anywhere anytime soon, what other depth do the Yankees have in second-basemen in terms of farm players?

I wouldn't mind parting with Montero now that Cervelli has established himself as a solid catcher who can be the successor to Posada, especially for someone the caliber of Lee. As far as depth after Cano, Ramiro Pena is a serviceable backup - you don't need much more than that since, like you said, Cano isn't going anywhere.

Quoting sleekjet (Reply 13):
(2) drive a stick through the spokes of a Yankee front office that is used to getting what they want.

Not really sure what you're talking about here. The Yankees have lost out on many a trade in the past years, including some big names.

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Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:45 am

So what will the Minnesota Twins do now? I was watching some of the Twins vs. Tigers games and our starting pitchers are giving up quite a few runs, same in the games against the Toronto Blue Jays. I hope the Twins will get better, but if not, I can always cheer on my second favorite team the Yankees!
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RE: Cliff Lee 'Might' Become A NY Yankee

Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:14 pm

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Thank goodness, Cliff Lee to the Rangers.

Many Phillies fans breathed a sigh of relief as well once that news rolled out.

Losing him, despite getting Halladay, was bad enough. Losing him and then having him going to the Yankees would have been a bit too much.
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