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Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:13 am

Too bad they weren't in the same studio.  
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:21 am

Wrong time of the month for both of them?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:37 am

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):

Yeah just like MSNBC calls Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow journalists.
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:17 pm

As hot as both of them are, who the f*ck cares if it's "journalism"...I was hoping that third chick would join in  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Too bad they weren't in the same studio.

No kidding, especially if there was a chance for them to kiss and make up...

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:49 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
Yeah just like MSNBC calls Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow journalists.

Don't watch MSNBC, but at least with Fox the whole damn channel is this sort of spastic cheerleader BS. Perhaps is nonsense is the only way to fill a 24 hour news channel and still draw in crowds, but I can't watch it for long without puking in my mouth.

Why can't we have serious news channels, not ones that are made for and by children?
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 1:11 pm

That's the worst journalism I've ever witnessed. The Megyn lady is very arrogant!
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:11 pm

Oh please, you ever see half of Maddow's interviews where she is much worse in shouting down people, or Joan Walsh? When given facts that refute their propaganda they yell, and just throw out bombs. I will admit I think this interview crossed the line but Kelly was spot on. Powers had no idea what she was talkjng about and basically Obama and Holder let his Black Panther slide when he clearly broke the law. Powers was ill prepared to make her statement and didn't want to admit but Kelly needs to calm down a bit. She is turning into a hate monger like Levin has. It's bad enough we have MSNBC for this we don't need anybody else.
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RE: This Is What FOX News Calls "journalism"

Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:23 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Oh please, you ever see half of Maddow's interviews where she is much worse in shouting down people

Bull.

Megan Kelly went for 7 minutes talking over her colleague. (That's right, her COLLEAGUE) to make sure her point could not be heard. She even threatened to turn off her mic. I dare you to find an example of that elsewhere. Even your hated Rachel Maddow let Rand Paul speak for like 20 minutes to make sure he got his point across.






I'm waiting.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
Powers had no idea what she was talkjng about

1) If she had no idea what she was talking about, it would have been clear when she actually presented her argument, which Kelly refused to allow.
2) How do you know that she didn't know what she was talking about, considering she ever wasn't able to present her point?

Megan Kelly didn't just "cross a line." She failed at being a journalist, and attempted to silence dissent. Not good...
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:06 pm

I really don't want to debate news Channels, but with the Combination of Hannity, O'Reilly, this chick, and a few others, Fox News has them all beat to hell when it comes to over talking guests or colleagues to make their own points.

Maddow, Olbermann, etc., may over-talk as well, but not to the point where they are near shouting or cutting their guests off every time they make a point and start to prove it. Just youtube search any O'Reilly video that is not pro-Conservative, and he will be cutting people off the entire video.

Here's an example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTkFU4MtubU

As to the video above, that was pretty much a bitch fest, but nothing comes close to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xht0HcPryWA&feature=related

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:30 pm

I got three things to say...

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Wrong time of the month for both of them?

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:36 pm

Did anyone else see the look on the face of the third lady change when Megyn says "With respect, you clearly don't know what you're talking about"

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 4:50 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
Megan Kelly went for 7 minutes talking over her colleague. (That's right, her COLLEAGUE) to make sure her point could not be heard

Actually she was preventing Powers from making ill conceived statements about something she knew nothing about. She asked a good question as to her credibility to answer how she did. Was it professional? No but she wasn't shouting over anyone just trying to make Powers look less foolish. Her point shouldn't be heard because it had no validity. I can watch a video and not have any idea what happened but I am not going to make professional opinions about it and if I try and someone asks me if I heard sworn testimony from people that were actually there I am going to answer. not try to change the subject. That flies on MSNBC where facts are constantly twisted but not on Kelly's court.

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
I dare you to find an example of that elsewhere

Game, set and Match. Last video they actually cut the guests mic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRJ1oyhTZAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8R8baHPr2E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pj0WxuyLXE&feature=related

BTW powers is not a colleague she is a blogger and contributor to FOX.

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
If she had no idea what she was talking about, it would have been clear when she actually presented her argument, which Kelly refused to allow

How Powers refused to admit she had no info on the topic except watching the video

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
How do you know that she didn't know what she was talking about, considering she ever wasn't able to present her point?

Then why did she keep trying to change the subject when Kelly asked her if she had any first hand knowledge of the topic?
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RE: This Is What FOX News Calls "journalism"

Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:17 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):

Yeah just like MSNBC calls Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow journalists.

Actually, they call them commentators.
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:26 pm

I'm a fervent conservative, but I hate it when media types with whom I agree resort to bad manners to get their points across. Can't they realize that the chances of getting their points across increase markedly when they are composed, polite, and non-condescending?

Hannity is bad about this. Mark Levin is template.
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:33 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
Yeah just like MSNBC calls Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow journalists.

Exactly. Both are equally as idiotic.

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RE: This Is What FOX News Calls "journalism"

Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:43 pm

Megyn Kelly is funny. "I know more about thus case than you do". I love how Megyn let the Conservative columnist speak without interrupting once, then when the other person comes in.... Oh shit she's disagreeing with me so I absolutely have to cut her off before she's had the chance to say anything, then in turn tell her she knows nothing about the case EVEN before she's had a chance to present her argument. But no, they're fair and balanced.  They're about as fair and balanced as Megyn's hairline.

The best part of the video is when Megyn is telling Powers that she keeps cutting her off.   . That is AMAZING
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RE: This Is What FOX News Calls "journalism"

Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:07 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):

Game, set and Match. Last video they actually cut the guests mic

Wow. That was pretty bad journalism. Worse than most stuff I've seen from fox news, and that's saying something.
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:38 pm

If only people realised that this isn't journalism, but entertainment... so many things would be so much easier.   
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 9:42 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Game, set and Match. Last video they actually cut the guests mic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRJ1oyhTZAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8R8baHPr2E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pj0W...lated

Well, D L X, as much as I hate to admit it, he's got you there. Those were every bit as bad as the crap I've seen from Fox, and that's not easy to do.

I wonder, do guests ever simply tell these abusive hosts to go f*ck themselves and walk off in the middle of the show? I know I would. It always bewilders me that this sort of 'journalism' is actually tolerated and apparently even encouraged on U.S. 'news' networks. I guess journalistic integrity is the first thing that goes out the door if it can get them extra viewers...
 
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Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:46 pm

Just to be "Fair and Balanced" on the last clip of NIK's, I need to post another clip of the same guy on Anderson Cooper...Just so you know what kind of "thug" (to borrow his words) we are dealing with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CitkQMVev8M&feature=related

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:04 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
That flies on MSNBC where facts are constantly twisted but not on Kelly's court.

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Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:31 pm

Quoting Rara (Reply 17):
Wow. That was pretty bad journalism. Worse than most stuff I've seen from fox news, and that's saying something.

Journalism LOL, Dylan Ratigan is the biggest hate monger tin hat moron going. He has class envy so bad it oozes out of him. He and Ed Schultz really give MSNBC that nice touch of complete hatred we love to see.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 19):
Well, D L X, as much as I hate to admit it, he's got you there. Those were every bit as bad as the crap I've seen from Fox, and that's not easy to do.

Not hard at all. Oh I forgot this beauty. Where Joe Scarborough had to cut this Lawrence O'Donnell's mike because he lost control and was spewing the hatred we see all the time from MSNBC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsjuOcGATu0
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:06 am

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 22):
Not hard at all. Oh I forgot this beauty. Where Joe Scarborough had to cut this Lawrence O'Donnell's mike because he lost control and was spewing the hatred we see all the time from MSNBC.

Well then maybe this should be a sign that we (the US) should stop watching/reading this junk on Fox, MSNBC, Huffington, etc. etc. because its not helping, and in fact hurting our country severely. By encouraging this low, low level of discourse not only sets the bar way low for political debate, but could actually persuade people who watch this who think whomever shouts the loudest is always right -- probably a scary proportion of our population.

Oh, oh, wait... silly me, this is the free market at work! All hail the free market that which has brought us this quality journalism! Let us bow down to this all-glorious and never-failing free market!

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Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:30 am

Are there any sources of journalism available in the US today? Seems to me the options are infotainment or rabid party based propaganda that is beginning to rival Goebbels.

For US news, I usually review NYT, Chicago Tribune, NPR, KCRW Podcast Left, Right and Center to get a range of views. In no way should FOX, that little cup of poison, be considered journalism. I feel sorry for those who see it as such. Murdoch is on record saying he sees his role as directing public opinion to align with his ideology. The facts are secondary.

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Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 18):
If only people realised that this isn't journalism, but entertainment... so many things would be so much easier.

I agree! The two ladies arguing, Megan Kelly and Kirstin Powers, are not "journalist" they are providing their "opinion" on an "editorial program". As opposed to real "journalists" on Fox's hard news shows like Sheppard Smith and Bret Baier. Smith and Baier "report" the news Kelly and Powers are "editorializing" on the news.
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:28 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 18):
If only people realised that this isn't journalism, but entertainment

Exactly. This isn't journalism, this is reality TV. Put those two on an island and you have Survivor. Put them in a board room and you have The Apprentice. Put them in an airport and you have the Amazing Race. Put them in a news studio and you have two talking heads making a fool of themselves.
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:38 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 25):
As opposed to real "journalists" on Fox's hard news shows like Sheppard Smith and Bret Baier.

Who like to report on the protests sparked by FOX News initiatives such as the "tea party movement".   Among other things, obviously.
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:16 pm

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 12):
Game, set and Match.

  

More like 40-15. (You're the 15.) You were able to find a handful of examples. You can turn on your hero network at pretty much any day and see an example of this.

But the larger point flew over your head apparently. You're citing opinion work, not news reporting. Megyn Kelly is an anchor, is she not? How is it journalism when she holds herself up as unbiased and pulls this crap?
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:29 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
More like 40-15. (You're the 15.) You were able to find a handful of examples. You can turn on your hero network at pretty much any day and see an example of this.

Actually you've double faulted yet again. It happens much more on MSNBC than it does FOX. By a mile.

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
But the larger point flew over your head apparently. You're citing opinion work, not news reporting. Megyn Kelly is an anchor, is she not? How is it journalism when she holds herself up as unbiased and pulls this crap?

None of these people on FOX or MSNBC are journalism. These people are all hacks that are good at getting people to listen to them. Kelly will never say she is a journalist. She is a laywer by trade. I never said she was a news reporter.
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:53 pm

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 5):
Why can't we have serious news channels, not ones that are made for and by children?

We do. Check out NPR, PBS, even Al-Jazeera America for a refreshing look at current events.

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 24):
Are there any sources of journalism available in the US today? Seems to me the options are infotainment or rabid party based propaganda that is beginning to rival Goebbels.

For US news, I usually review NYT, Chicago Tribune, NPR, KCRW Podcast Left, Right and Center to get a range of views. In no way should FOX, that little cup of poison, be considered journalism. I feel sorry for those who see it as such. Murdoch is on record saying he sees his role as directing public opinion to align with his ideology. The facts are secondary.

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Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:37 pm

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 30):
Best post ever. Shame that many right wingers who are vaguely angry (but can never quite figure out why) will now direct their ire at you.

I live in France! They'll do that anyway......
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:42 pm

OMG that's the crappiest interviewer ever.. She's supposed to control the debate in a sober and adult way. She's a real bitch..
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:54 pm

Quoting nwaesc (Reply 30):
We do. Check out NPR, PBS, even Al-Jazeera America for a refreshing look at current events.

  

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 31):
I live in France! They'll do that anyway......

   sad, but true.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 32):
OMG that's the crappiest interviewer ever.. She's supposed to control the debate in a sober and adult way. She's a real bitch..

Indeed. Loud, shrill, cutting off her guest then demanding that she be listened to. How can anyone watch her and consider her to be a serious journalist?
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:01 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 33):
Indeed. Loud, shrill, cutting off her guest then demanding that she be listened to. How can anyone watch her and consider her to be a serious journalist?

Exactly.. she is supposed to be somewhat neutral.
 
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:29 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
Megan Kelly went for 7 minutes talking over her colleague. (That's right, her COLLEAGUE) to make sure her point could not be heard.

Good point--this isn't fox versus cnn. This is fox versus fox. Murdoch owns both Fox News and the New York Post (who Powers writes for).

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
Megan Kelly didn't just "cross a line." She failed at being a journalist, and attempted to silence dissent.

Both of them "failed" at being journalists. Kelly had the high ground by asking a pertinent question to Powers (had she read the transcripts?), and Powers hadn't. Powers came completely unprepared (reminded me of the infamous "appeaser guy" on Chris Matthews who kept using the chamberlain analogy and then admitted, upon questioning, that he had no idea what neville chamberlain did). But Kelly lost it when she lost her cool and went off on Powers.

Anybody with any experience in journalism has to be ashamed watching that clip and seeing that both parties consider themselves journalists. Neither are, though--they are both pundits, spouting their own opinion off a soapbox.
 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:02 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
Bull.

It happens on both networks every day. Chris Matthews is a perfect example as is O'Reily.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Actually, they call them commentators.

Not in Kelly's case at that time of the day. She is actually reporting news in that segment.

Quoting aloges (Reply 18):

If only people realised that this isn't journalism, but entertainment... so many things would be so much easier.

Yes and no. The evening shows on both networks are political entertainment but during the day they both try and run news shows.

Quoting D L X (Reply 28):
You're citing opinion work, not news reporting. Megyn Kelly is an anchor, is she not? How is it journalism when she holds herself up as unbiased and pulls this crap?

The same could be said about every reporter that has ever worked 60 minutes. What's your point? She asked questions and the woman decided to put on a dodge. When asked if she had read the testimony she dodged again and tried to refuse to answer the question. That's when Kelly started getting insistant. Dan Rather did some of the same when he was a reporter on 60 minutes. Sam Donaldson used to do it all the time at ABC. Geraldo made his career doing it at ABC.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:11 pm

Quoting us330 (Reply 35):
reminded me of the infamous "appeaser guy" on Chris Matthews who kept using the chamberlain analogy and then admitted, upon questioning, that he had no idea what neville chamberlain did

Excellent point. The appeaser guy who hasn't been heard of since.

But I think a major difference between Kelly and Matthews (generally speaking) is that Matthews will talk over you if you dodge a question, but if you stay focused on the topic, he will let you talk.

Quoting dxing (Reply 36):
What's your point? She asked questions and the woman decided to put on a dodge.

I think Megyn Kelly's goal was to insult Powers, not just to get her point across. Not only did she talk over her, but she also talked her down.

I mean, don't you guys get teh impression that this was something personal?

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Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:24 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 37):
I mean, don't you guys get teh impression that this was something personal?

i get that impression from a number of anchors from Kelly to Couric to Gibson. While Couric and Gibson might not get as loud, they each have talked over people they have interviewed or talked down to them. It happens everywhere nowdays. Journalism has gone the way of professional baseball and football. Every time they add another franchise team, the pool of qualified players goes down across the league. Same with news outlets. With the explosion of cable and the 24 hour news cycle, the quality of the journalist has suffered.
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Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:37 am

Quoting ozglobal (Reply 24):
I usually review NYT, Chicago Tribune, NPR, KCRW Podcast Left, Right and Center to get a range of views
Quoting nwaesc (Reply 30):
We do. Check out NPR, PBS, even Al-Jazeera America for a refreshing look at current events.

Both of you have to be joking...yes getting your refreshing looks from a range of views from marxists to neo-liberals.
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Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:39 pm

I wasn't joking at all.
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RE: This Is What FOX News Calls "journalism"

Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:54 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 39):
Both of you have to be joking...yes getting your refreshing looks from a range of views from marxists to neo-liberals

Typical unfocused, vague right wing anger, channeled into sound bites of derision. Do yourself a favor and try (as you clearly haven't) the range of voices you'll get on "Left, Right and Center".
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