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Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:12 pm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology...ticle.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10658998

Apple has announced they will be holding a press conference on Friday morning about issues with the new iPhone 4.

There has been speculation that Apple may have to issue a recall... or at the very least give out free bumpers to resolve the reception problems people have been having with the phone.
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Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:17 pm

If either happens, Apple will get a lot (more) negativity in an increasingly competitive smartphone market. No doubt that RIM and HTC are both gaining from this incident, so it would be in their best interest if this could be addressed by a firmware update. Of course, judging from the past, Apple could begin to ship iPhone 4's with a free bumper included. It will be interesting to see how a company that cherishes its reputation so much will deal with this.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:30 pm

http://www.reghardware.com/2010/07/15/good_iphones_for_bad/

heres another article... apparently it is not all iPhone 4s that have problems... just a few batches (which could of course be thousands of phones). They are perhaps doing a silent recall by just swapping out faulty ones for good ones to those people affected on the quiet.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Thu Jul 15, 2010 12:43 pm

I doubt Apple will recall all the phones sold already (about 6 million) - Maybe they will offer free bumpers, but that ruins the idea of the design of the phone.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:47 pm

Way too many dropped calls and I'm not going to give myself carpal tunnel trying to hold the phone the way Steve Jobs wants me too for clear reception. Apple fumbled rushing to deliver this product.   
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:54 pm

If it is a component or assembly problem then Apple will be delighted to exchange your phone. They simply charge the company for the defective component. Remember when IBM, Dell & Apple all had defective capacitors at the same time?

If it's an issue that can be resolved with a firmware change then Apple will be even happier.

I believe that b the news conference Apple will have defined the issues in the lab and developed a resolution.

Then Consumer Reports will have to re-look at the situation. They have already rated the iPhone4 as the best product in the market (in an area you have to pay for) so they are going to be feeling the pressure a bit.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:17 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 3):
I doubt Apple will recall all the phones sold already (about 6 million) - Maybe they will offer free bumpers, but that ruins the idea of the design of the phone.

Or a roll of Duct Tape and you can fix all your Apple products.

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Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:16 pm

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Remember when IBM, Dell & Apple all had defective capacitors at the same time?

For some reason, I remember that Dell took a huge hit from that, while IBM and Apple managed to deal with it quite well. All about the customer service, and its a similar situation that Apple is in right now. Dell never quite recovered from that incident.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:54 pm

Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) sent an email to Apple CEO Steve Jobs urging to fix the iPhone "death grip" for free.

http://www.informationweek.com/news/...rticleID=225800271&subSection=News
 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:23 pm

Antennagate? Really? Wow... Btw, its interesting they used other phones to demonstrate the problem. However, its interesting to note that there has yet to be reports of Droid Eris or Blackberry owners suffering death grip issues. And this picture is especially telling of how desperate Apple is to pass blame:



The person holding this phone is gripping it so tightly, more than any person normally would, that their fingers are turning red. Just so Apple can demo the problem, that right there is corrupting the results. Again, in normal use ive heard of ZERO blackberry antenna issues. Pretty sad when Apple has to lie to make themselves look better.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:32 pm



There's the "fix", ya'll.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:37 pm

Not surprising, Apple has shipped products with a screen protector before. However, does this mean that phones purchased after September 30th will no longer suffer from this "death grip" issue?
 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:37 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 9):
The person holding this phone is gripping it so tightly, more than any person normally would, t


How does holding it tightly affect the antenna reception? What does strength have anything to do with it?

The idea is that you are blocking the signal with you hand. Like puting a hand over a light bulb.

If you squeeze the light bulb hard.. do you block more light?

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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:41 pm

Quoting Elite (Reply 11):
However, does this mean that phones purchased after September 30th will no longer suffer from this "death grip" issue?

Doubt it - but the thinking is probably that you should know of the issue by then and its your call on to buy it or not. Besides - for many reasons, they probably cannot keep the "promotion" going forever.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 12):
What does strength have anything to do with it?

Nothing...
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:48 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 12):
How does holding it tightly affect the antenna reception? What does strength have anything to do with it?

Because your skin/ fingers act as a shield thus blocking the antenna. Thus holding the phone where the antenna is will cause the signal to be degraded. However, Apple tried to manipulate a Blackberry by doing the same thing by gripping it so tight the users fingers turned red. In normal use a Blackberry antenna is properly shielded to prevent this. Apple failed to do the same thus the antenna can be corrupted by covering it with a finger.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:51 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 14):
Because your skin/ fingers act as a shield thus blocking the antenna. Thus holding the phone where the antenna is will cause the signal to be degraded. However, Apple tried to manipulate a Blackberry by doing the same thing by gripping it so tight the users fingers turned red. In normal use a Blackberry antenna is properly shielded to prevent this. Apple failed to do the same thus the antenna can be corrupted by covering it with a finger.

The signal is degraded by the presence of flesh. Whether that flesh is pressed harder against the phone or not really should not make a difference, right?
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:57 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 15):

I am not an antenna expert. But I would imagine that pressing harder would cause more of the signal to be degraded as you are in a sense making "more" contact with the phone as opposed to loosely holding it in your hand. The signal can still "travel" around. Case in point. I tried it on my Motorola Droid. By squeezing it, literally as hard as I could, I lost 1 bar out of a possible 4 (I have full 3G signal in my basement). However, in a "normal" grip there was zero issue. Apple thus created an unlikely scenario in order to save face.
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:00 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 16):

Physics-wise it doesn't make sense - but I dont doubt that they held it in whatever way to make the worst signal loss possible.

As you said earlier:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 9):
Again, in normal use ive heard of ZERO blackberry antenna issues.

  
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:48 pm

So if it does not work as a phone..is it an iThing? Can it be docked when it is sporting it's bumper? BTW...at cellular frequencies, the skin effect occurs...electrons travel on the conductor rather than in it..by squeezing harder, you increase the surface area to conduct the signal to "ground" hence attenuation..you big capacitor you..
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:11 pm

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 15):
The signal is degraded by the presence of flesh. Whether that flesh is pressed harder against the phone or not really should not make a difference, right?

For high frequencies, capacitance coupling will conduct electricity. Capacitance increase with proximity and area. So the closer you are and the more you touch the phone antenna, the greater the signal loss will be.

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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:23 pm

Jobs looked somewhat deranged in the conference - I'm a fan of the guy's work in general but he really seems to be losing it. Is he on some major medications or something?
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:32 pm

I think Jobs did a good job of walking slowly through the issues.

And he made it clear - you can get a free Apple case or bumper. If that's not good enough take it back and get a full refund. No restocking fee at all. I'm sure ATT will have other smart phones you can buy.

But after the news conference the "professional boggers" should be a bit more professional in comparing the smart phones. Lets get some solid data and pass on the fluffy opinions.
 
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Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:48 pm

Quoting PlaneWasted (Reply 19):
For high frequencies, capacitance coupling will conduct electricity. Capacitance increase with proximity and area. So the closer you are and the more you touch the phone antenna, the greater the signal loss will be.

Ok, but if you are covering the antenna holding lightly and covering it gripping hard - covering the same amount either way (remember the antenna area on the side is small) what difference will that make? Surface area does not change, nor does proximity (just the proximity of you muscle layers to each other, I guess).
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Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:46 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
But after the news conference the "professional boggers" should be a bit more professional in comparing the smart phones. Lets get some solid data and pass on the fluffy opinions.

I've never seen anything but professional, unbiased (for the most part) reviews. At least from the mainstream blogs (engadget, BGR, etc) It just so happens the general consensus is that there is something wrong with the iPhone 4.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 8:16 am

I still have no issues at all with my iPhone 4. Everything works 100%. But if there is a free case going it would be rude to refuse   Seeing as Ive spent close to $2000 on Apple products over the last few months I dont think I will feel guilty.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 2:06 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 9):

In fairness, I've a blackberry 9700 and if you hold it like that then it does effect it.

But you don't because of the way the phone is designed. WIth the iPhone 4 most people don't have a choice due to its design.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:32 pm

Classic Chewbacca defense.

"There's no problem. Here's a free bumper to fix the problem, which doesn't exist".
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:16 pm

Quoting idealstandard (Reply 25):
In fairness, I've a blackberry 9700 and if you hold it like that then it does effect it.
Quoting idealstandard (Reply 25):
But you don't because of the way the phone is designed.

So in other words, the antenna is designed to NOT be affected by being held. Like i've been saying:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 9):
Again, in normal use ive heard of ZERO blackberry antenna issues.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:32 pm

Quoting racko (Reply 26):
Classic Chewbacca defense.

"There's no problem. Here's a free bumper to fix the problem, which doesn't exist".

Classic inquisition accusation:

"If you weren't totally guilty, we wouldn't be here!"

In the real world, however, the question has always been and remains:

"How does the device actually work in practice?"

Playing around with fictitious bar displays under circumstances one doesn't have much if any clue about (much less actual measurements) has relatively little to do with actual usage problems.

There is not enough hard information publically available to settle the matter once and for all.

But the positively tiny return rate is a relatively good indicator that there is no problem that could justify the utter hysteria from almost exclusively non-users, interestingly.

Given the information collected so far, the most likely scenario seems to be this:

• The iPhone 4 generally has very good connection range and stability.

• Even under weak conditions it holds connections and data speeds substantially better than its predecessors.

Under very weak conditions it is however possible to break up calls or data connections by covering the most sensitive location of the iPhone, similarly to the sensitivity of other devices. This does not appear happen under medium to strong conditions and even under weak conditions it can be avoided relatively easily. So whatever problem may exist is limited to a small subset of real-world situations, notably the same set of situations where other phones begin to exhibit unreliable performance as well. And even there it is easy to avoid, if such a situation is actually encountered.

What remains to be evaluated quantitatively is the actual, absolute extent of both the regular range and stability and the actual, absolute sensitivity to touch under various conditions.

As the videos on Apple - Smartphone Antenna Performance show, very similar effects can be observed by normally holding other handsets as well.

The massive public interest in the iPhone which is unparalleled by any other device has turned a very normal effect based on relatively complex technology and circumstances into a lynching frenzy among certain crowds, which is unfortunately neither new nor surprising given the peculiar negative obsession of some people with the company.

What I find particularly interesting is that this self-propagating feeding frenzy of bloggers and even mainstream media appears to be almost completely independent of actual user reports indicating actual usage problems relative to other devices.

Why is that? If the problem was as horrible as all these non-users claim. where are the actual bad real-life experiences of the actual users?

Among by now three million iPhone 4 owners, there would have to be at the very least hundreds of thousands of extremely dissatisfied users by now if the current hysteria had any proportional basis in fact.

So where are they?
 
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Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:35 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 28):

So in other words, to you, everything is fine and dandy, right? So thats why Apple has to issue refunds/replacements/ free bumpers as well as a software fix? I think your rose colored glasses are clouding your judgement.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:43 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 27):
So in other words, the antenna is designed to NOT be affected by being held. Like i've been saying:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 9):
Again, in normal use ive heard of ZERO blackberry antenna issues.

There is absolutely not a single antenna on this planet or in the known universe which was not affected by its environment. This would be a fundamental impossibility under the known laws of physics.

In particular, electromagnetic antennas are most definitely affected quite significantly by being in close proximity with large containers of salt water, which every human body happens to be among other things.

By the way, exactly that Blackberry model is shown to exhibit the exact same effect here:

Apple - Smartphone Antenna Performance

It doesn't make the Blackberry a bad phone – it simply demonstrates that nobody can escape the laws of physics (at least as far as we know).

Please note that this effect happens always – it is just usually hidden by the very crude (and often misleading) bar graph displays on existing handsets. You will only be able to notice it when the connection is already weak enough to affect a) the bar graph and/or b) the actual connection – and the two are only very loosely connected to each other!

The absolute and relative extent of the respective attenuation effects remain of interest – but that is exactly what I've said from day one. Somebody will have to conduct a serious, in-depth test that actually provides comparable data. But that has not happened yet, apparently.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:52 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 9):
Again, in normal use ive heard of ZERO blackberry antenna issues.

Neither have I with my Nokia which is not that different from an iPhone in overall employment(no keys, all touchscreen, etc.)
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sat Jul 17, 2010 11:58 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 29):
So in other words, to you, everything is fine and dandy, right?

Says who?

This is extremely complex technology, and the issue in question here is not remotely as simple as it is made out to be by many.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 29):
So thats why Apple has to issue refunds/replacements

They've never not done that – they've always had that as a standing policy even before the iPhone came out. Interestingly, next to nobody seems to be using it, which belies the claim that the device allegedly had horrible, fatal flaws.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 29):
free bumpers

Even if the current hysteria should turn out to be entirely without any factual basis, it still has managed to cause substantial PR damage.

Making that offer is an obvious move to mitigate the damage. You don't stop cleaning up the mess just because it wasn't you yourself who broke the window.

The cases apparently do reduce the dependency on people's hand positions (most probably at the expense of some general attenuation), so they've got an additional choice.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 29):
as well as a software fix?

That has absolutely nothing to do with the connection itself, only with people's perception of the conditions since only the bar graph display is modified.

Which may help some people stopping to draw some false conclusions and it will provide a more linear presentation of the actual field strength.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 29):
I think your rose colored glasses are clouding your judgement.

How does you passing personal judgment help anybody in filling the gaping lack of actual evidence for your claims?
 
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Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:08 am

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
There is absolutely not a single antenna on this planet or in the known universe which was not affected by its environment. This would be a fundamental impossibility under the known laws of physics.

As I said. Ive yet to hear of ANY reported cases of blackberry antenna issues. And as I said, Apple purposely manipulated a Blackberry to fail to try and prove they arent immune. But again. Many more blackberries out in the world and no peeps from them on issues.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
By the way, exactly that Blackberry model is shown to exhibit the exact same effect here:

You mean how they manipulated the test by squeezing the phone so hard, much more than any normal person would, that the demo persons fingers turned red? Oh yeah. Thats great evidence.

Quoting Acheron (Reply 31):
Neither have I with my Nokia which is not that different from an iPhone in overall employment(no keys, all touchscreen, etc.)

Bingo. Apple is running out of scapegoats.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
They've never not done that –

Never said they diddnt.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
Even if the current hysteria should turn out to be entirely without any factual basis, it still has managed to cause substantial PR damage.

So I guess all those tests that PROVE there is a defect with the antenna don't exist, right? Give me a break.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 32):
How does you passing personal judgment help anybody in filling the gaping lack of actual evidence for your claims?

Much in the same manner as your incessant, biased praise of Apple.
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Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:12 am

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 33):
You mean how they manipulated the test by squeezing the phone so hard, much more than any normal person would, that the demo persons fingers turned red? Oh yeah. Thats great evidence.

No. If they had done that, it would be very obvious in the video. But that just isn't the case. The person holds the phone as any normal user would. The same with other models, including the iPhones 3GS and 4.

Apple - Smartphone Antenna Performance

The thing people seem to be shocked about is that under marginal conditions you can see a significant signal drop, for one through the exaggerated bar graph dynamic in that marginal area (as with Apple's previous algorithm and in many other phones apparently as well) and for another due to the relatively narrow range in a digital system between barely holding on to a signal and finally getting cut off.

In most cases you just don't have service at all or the signal is strong enough that variations through different hand positions don't matter much or at all.

It's in the margins where things get interesting, and to many laymen's surprise the laws of physics happen to affect all devices.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 33):
So I guess all those tests that PROVE there is a defect with the antenna don't exist, right? Give me a break.

"Proof" is not when I feel my preconceived notions vindicated by any random claim on the internet, "proof" (as far as that is possible in the physical world) is when serious, objective and repeatable experiments are being made which qualitatively and/or quantitatively produce repeatable and verifiable evidence.

What we've seen in actual fact, however, is a massive hooplah being made about blogs and Youtube videos observing bar graphs going up and down – which is just almost completely irrelevant.

Even though just being anecdotal, actual user experiences about dropped calls and usable range (more or fewer "dead spots" than with the previous handset?) matter quite a bit more, especially in aggregate.

After all, the purpose of a mobile phone is not displaying bar graphs, it is making calls and using mobile data.

And by all accounts the evidence appears(!) to point rather to substantially increased range and call stability with the iPhone 4. Whether the attenuation effect under weak conditions can actually reverse that at least under these conditions is the open question here, which clearly deserves investigation. This is the actual, interesting question.

That bars may be vanishing when holding the phone under such marginal conditions is next to irrelevant – particularly since the iPhone 4 apparently has a substantially more sensitive antenna/chipset combination and can hold on to calls far lower into the bar graph than previous iPhones could.

Under decent conditions you can apply "death grips" until you're blue in the face – the connection won't budge since the attenuation effect cannot weaken the signal sufficiently to have a noticeable effect.

Which is one of the things that make this issue much more complicated than it may appear on first glance, but actually using it is what actually matters.

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 33):
Much in the same manner as your incessant, biased praise of Apple.

a) Provide quote and link to me "incessantly 'praising' Apple". If you cannot do that, retract this claim as is required by the forum rules.

b) Difference is, I post to the issues instead of passing personal judgment about people. Which is not just nonsensical in such a discussion, it is also prohibited by the rules of this forum. if it actually needs reminding.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:58 am

Cadet57...please stop, your head might explode..I've already given up on Klaus's "elegant" denial..you will never be able to give an link to what he wants because he has taken Mr. Job's spin to a new high on this one. Klaus, two things have come to mind..."If it walks like a duck..." and Apple's "Newton"....besides, how can you REALLY expect the empirical investigation you desire to be performed by Apple, much less the full results to be shared to the public now that Mr Jobs, the chief salesman of the company, has not shown how great his product is, but rather how other competitors devices might FAIL IN THE SAME WAY? Once again, you have asked a disingenious question when you, and us, know that said question either cannot or will not be answered to your perception of how the real world works with regard to the Apple marketing department.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 2:10 am

Quoting bhill (Reply 35):
Cadet57...please stop, your head might explode..

Hardly. Its more amusing this way   

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
a) Provide quote and link to me "incessantly 'praising' Apple".

   Greatest line on a.net EVER. Please. You're the biggest Apple apologist/praiser/rabid fan, possibly ever.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
If you cannot do that, retract this claim as is required by the forum rules.

If you're feelings are hurt. By all means SD my posts. But I dare you to prove me wrong.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
"Proof" is not when I feel my preconceived notions vindicated by any random claim on the internet, "proof" (as far as that is possible in the physical world) is when serious, objective and repeatable experiments are being made which qualitatively and/or quantitatively produce repeatable and verifiable evidence.

   You're running out of straws to grasp.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
No. If they had done that, it would be very obvious in the video.

Wow, for someone holding their phone "properly" their fingers are very red where they are making contact with the phone, funny, mine never get that red holding a phone properly:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 34):
The person holds the phone as any normal user would. The same with other models, including the

Lies. They are purposely manipulating the phone in order to attempt to deflect the fact the iPhone 4 can't hold a signal worth a dam.

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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:32 am

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 27):
So in other words, the antenna is designed to NOT be affected by being held. Like i've been saying:

  

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 29):
I think your rose colored glasses are clouding your judgement.

  

Quoting Klaus (Reply 30):
There is absolutely not a single antenna on this planet or in the known universe which was not affected by its environment. This would be a fundamental impossibility under the known laws of physics.

True, and we have accepted that. But Apple have built the weakness right into the fundamental design of their phone and in that: the way it is designed to be held. Polar opposites of other handsets, as seen below:

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 36):
Wow, for someone holding their phone "properly" their fingers are very red where they are making contact with the phone, funny, mine never get that red holding a phone properly:

That phone is so lightweight and of such a different design that I would personally not be comfortable holding it that way. Its designed to be held differently, thus missing the antenna.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:02 am

Are you seriously discussing how red somebody's fingers get when he's holding a ***king phone?!

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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:58 pm

Quoting aloges (Reply 38):
Are you seriously discussing how red somebody's fingers get when he's holding a ***king phone?!

Only because he refuses to accept proof that Apple manipulated their tests to show other phones are susceptible to antenna inference.
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:25 pm

Quoting cadet57 (Reply 39):
Only because he refuses to accept proof that Apple manipulated their tests to show other phones are susceptible to antenna inference.

Have you proved that that person holding the phone did not have bad circulation?
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:44 pm

Quoting mt99 (Reply 40):
Have you proved that that person holding the phone did not have bad circulation?

I'd also like some proof that nobody holds their Blackberry that way. After all, we've seen conclusive proof that everybody holds and uses an iPhone in such a way that its antenna will malfunction...  
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:56 am

Quoting aloges (Reply 41):
I'd also like some proof that nobody holds their Blackberry that way. After all, we've seen conclusive proof that everybody holds and uses an iPhone in such a way that its antenna will malfunction...  

Get one of these phones. Its uncomfortable to hold it in that way. In fairness my blackberry has died in the last 24 hours so not exactly the shining example of quality but I still don't have signal issues.
 
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:28 pm

In other iPhone 4 news... Apple UK has said it won't be getting any more iPhone 4s for 4-5 weeks!!! That is for a product that has been out for a month quite frankly ridiculous! I know it only builds the hype just that little bit more but Apple must be losing lots of frustrated customers to Android etc
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RE: Apple To Hold IPhone 4 Issues Press Conference

Mon Jul 19, 2010 5:33 pm

Quoting zkpilot (Reply 43):
In other iPhone 4 news... Apple UK has said it won't be getting any more iPhone 4s for 4-5 weeks!!! That is for a product that has been out for a month quite frankly ridiculous! I know it only builds the hype just that little bit more but Apple must be losing lots of frustrated customers to Android etc

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