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TV Networks That Have Changed Formats

Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:03 pm

At times I have seen cable TV networks change formats to appeal to a broader audience.

Some of the transitions that I have seen is MTV, from music to teen female themed reality programming like "The Hills" and "Jersey Shore" and TLC from machines with programs like Extreme Machines to housewife themed reality shows like John and Kate and wedding themed programs.

Find examples or elaborate on transitioning networks.
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Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:59 pm

Spike TV. It used to be TNN - The Nashville Network. As the name suggests, it was geared towards fans of Country music.
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:34 am

The Travel Channel. It has very little to do with traveling. It turned into another food channel.
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:30 am

Headline news used to report news, I don't know what they are doing lately.
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:35 am

VH1

It kinda returns to it's roots from time to time (with the return of Behind the Music etc), but yeah. It's cluttered with just as much crap as MTV these days.

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Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:38 am

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
TLC from machines with programs like Extreme Machines to housewife themed reality shows like John and Kate and wedding themed programs.

I know. TLC sucks now. Every single freakin' show on that channel includes one or more of the following: babies, dwarves, or morbidly obese people.

Also CourtTV becoming TruTV which now shows nonreality reality shows and shows making fun of stupid people doing stupid things.

If I'm not mistaken Discovery Health (the other obesity network) is going to become Oprah's personal channel. I'd rather have the fat people.
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:31 am

Speed Channel went from the old Speedvision, which had great shows on historic racing, rallying, sports car races, touring cars, and regular replays of Formula 1 races, into the current Speed which shows NASCAR 24/7, with the occasional break for a mediocre show on drag racing or the "outlaw" world of superbikes. They even have a reality show about the next "NASCAR star", which isn't even about drivers, it's about rednecks with talent of some sort. Sad.

Fortunately, there is also Versus. They went from Outdoor Life Network, which basically was all hunting/fishing, into a version of what Speedvision once was. They run cool shows about car/bike factories, show World Rally Car races, have live qualifying and races for the Indycar series, and they also show the Tour de France, which I enjoy (though admittedly that was part of OLN's programming before the changeover).
 
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RE: TV Networks That Have Changed Formats

Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:28 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 3):
Headline news used to report news, I don't know what they are doing lately.

The same thing as all the other "news" networks: Special interest programming. Most of it is opinions and arguments between guests. Try to find any news network that actually reports the news. That's why I will gladly watch the evening news on ABC, CBS, or NBC. At least they still report the news for the most part.



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
TLC sucks now.

Discovery killed American Choppers when they moved it to TLC. Suddenly there were very few arguments between Paul and Paul Jr. The arguments is what made the show so popular. It became a rated G program when it was moved to TLC and I lost interest in it.

CMT While still country themed, they have gone away from country music videos to country themed comedy and some good classic movies. In fact they are showing Cannonball run II while I post this.

The History channel has gone from history documentries to reality programming, most of which suck.

Discovery Wings became the Military Channel.
 
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:49 am

Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
Discovery killed American Choppers when they moved it to TLC. Suddenly there were very few arguments between Paul and Paul Jr. The arguments is what made the show so popular. It became a rated G program when it was moved to TLC and I lost interest in it.

That explains why Senior seems to not have 'riod rage on the newer episodes shown here. It's still shown on Discovery here, thought it was a bit odd when they had a episode with that 'Jon & Kate' as well, that explains it.
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:53 pm

Don't forget SciFi becoming SyFy this was done to move away from the "geek" Sci-fi only audience. They haven't moved too far from their original focus but do now have wrestling (they have the WE NXT contract).

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Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:04 pm

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Spike TV. It used to be TNN - The Nashville Network. As the name suggests, it was geared towards fans of Country music.

There was a transition from the old TNN to Spike... for a while TNN stood for The National Network. That said I do miss some of the old car related programming on TNN. Shadetree Mechanic was one of my favorites -- but I think those guys have a show on Speed now -- Two Guys Garage I think. Some of Spike's "Powerblock" shows had their origins on the old TNN too.

Quoting bohica (Reply 2):
The Travel Channel. It has very little to do with traveling. It turned into another food channel.

I don't watch much on the Travel Channel. If I do it is usually Bourdain's No Reservations... which coincidentally is a travel show centered on food. There are only so many shows you can do starring Samantha Brown.... she is the Rachael Ray of travel shows.


At certain levels the programming on HGTV, TLC, Food Network, Travel Channel, NatGeo, History, Discovery tend to be pretty interchangeable.

i think TLCs change has been pretty radical. When it was "The Learning Channel" they actually had educational programs, shows about surgery procedures, etc.... Now it has devolved into shows about ginormous families, midgets, and baking.
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RE: TV Networks That Have Changed Formats

Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:08 pm

Sudle but significant changes over time has happened to Nickelodeon, though it has maintained its targeted age audience, the programing has transitioned from cartoons to early/middle teen female oriented sitcoms like Hannah Montana and iCarly.
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Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:31 pm

BRAVO used to be strictly an arts channel back in the late early 90s. Now it seems to be reality based televison with no arts.
 
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RE: TV Networks That Have Changed Formats

Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:24 am

Quoting Tugger (Reply 9):
They haven't moved too far from their original focus but do now have wrestling (they have the WE NXT contract).

Didn't SciFi previously already have WWE's ECW?
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:28 am

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
"The Hills"

I saw that show for the first time this past weekend. I just wanted to punch the dumb out of every single one of them.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Spike TV. It used to be TNN - The Nashville Network. As the name suggests, it was geared towards fans of Country music.

Spike TV sucks out loud.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 5):
Also CourtTV becoming TruTV which now shows nonreality reality shows and shows making fun of stupid people doing stupid things.

TruTV sucks now too. Only thing worth watching is Cops and Inside American Jail

Quoting bohica (Reply 7):
CMT While still country themed, they have gone away from country music videos to country themed comedy and some good classic movies. In fact they are showing Cannonball run II while I post this.

In a way they are becoming a modern TNN.
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:32 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
Only thing worth watching is Cops and Inside American Jail

Those two are alright, but World's Dumbest is excellent, and their choice of commentators makes the show just drip with irony.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
In a way they are becoming a modern TNN

Maybe when they add monster trucks.
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:33 am

Every single post in this thread is the reason why I stopped watching TV years ago. I just don't do it anymore, in fact I even avoid TVs. It's annoying. There's nothing ever worth watching anymore. I was a loyal Discovery viewer but they went downhill very quick, specially in the last decade.

The only reason I use a TV anymore is to watch the occasional rented movie. For everything else I just use my computer.
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:57 am

Some networks like USA and TNT went from showing mainly movies and reruns of shows to having a significant group of primetime original programing and even some sports. USA has shown parts of the Olympics (due to it's NBC connection in recent years), major tennis matches for examples. TNT carries NASCAR racing for part of the season.

I remember years ago, USA Network had on Saturday Nights 'Up All Night', showing cheesy T&Z, (Topless and zits) teen and young adult targeted grade B or worse movies, hosted by Elvira the deep cleveged one or Gilbert Gotfreid.

TBS has shifted it programing to mainly humor based, with reruns and some original programs, showing comedy movies, sitcoms, 'Family Guy' adult animated programs. Before they mainly offered movies and Atlanta Braves baseball/Atlanta Hawks basketball.
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:11 am

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 17):
TNT went from showing mainly movies and reruns of shows to having a significant group of primetime original programing and even some sports.

One thing that I will be forever grateful to TNT for is them picking up Southland when NBC (stupidly) canceled it. Not only did they pick up a rather healthy fan base, they are getting them to stick around for their other well written shows.
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RE: TV Networks That Have Changed Formats

Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:31 am

Remember when Discovery was all about nature shows? Now look at them. Crab fishing? A trivia game show in a taxi cab?

Or how about the History channel. What does a reality show to find the best marksman have to do with history? Ice road truckers?
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:37 am

i can't remember too much about the old A and E, but i am sure it has changed as well. The bill curtis shows were good, and i think they may still show them, but with shows like growing up gotti, it changed a little.
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:55 pm

Quoting Ltbewr (Reply 17):
hosted by Elvira the deep cleveged one

She looks much better without the wig and makeup.

 
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:51 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
She looks much better without the wig and makeup.

Still has the cleavage, though
  
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:41 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 21):
She looks much better without the wig and makeup.

Is that really her? Holy crap.
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Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:20 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 23):
Is that really her? Holy crap.

yup her real name is Cassandra Peterson, if you google her you will find some tasty images of her from the 70's.
 
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:21 am

Quoting waterpolodan (Reply 6):
Speed Channel went from the old Speedvision, which had great shows on historic racing, rallying, sports car races, touring cars, and regular replays of Formula 1 races, into the current Speed which shows NASCAR 24/7, with the occasional break for a mediocre show on drag racing or the "outlaw" world of superbikes.

HD Theater offers a lot of that sort of programming.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
Didn't SciFi previously already have WWE's ECW?

ECW was axed by the WWE and replaced with this WWE NXT show, which is in some ways, a retooled version of their WWE Tough Enough reality show they had on MTV back in the early 00s.

Quoting scrubbsYWG (Reply 20):
i can't remember too much about the old A and E, but i am sure it has changed as well. The bill curtis shows were good, and i think they may still show them, but with shows like growing up gotti, it changed a little.

A&E went the way of Bravo and gotten more and more into the Entertainment instead of the Arts.

American Movie Classics has changed formats a bit as well, and I'm not just talking about their original programming. They've gotten well away from the classics and are showing newer films and added commercial breaks during movies (which is why I like TCM over AMC). It was fine when they added them between movies, but the interruptions irk me.
 
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RE: TV Networks That Have Changed Formats

Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:30 am

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 11):
Nickelodeon

Their programming has changed slightly, but I don't really find much of a difference between Rocko's Modern Life and Spongebob.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 11):
Hannah Montana and iCarly.

Are actually Disney shows, which had it's own change around 2000 from being a premium movie channel to regular cable TV with shows like Lizzie McGuire and Even Stevens.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:14 am

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 26):
Are actually Disney shows

My bad   

I think Spongebob is still decent if they are the last one to be, though it is beyond my generation it is still worth watching if I find it, the later cartoons the CG cartoons are cheep and low budget that is reflective on the amount of money they spend or have.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:58 am

The dynamics have changed drastically for programming with the advent of cable/satellite offerings of multitude of choices.

The old format the programs fought tooth and nail for the best ratings for time slots with their quality and their charges for advertising was set in relationship to how many millions of viewers you program produced.

Now the channels go to the advertiser and say we can give you say 100,000 viewers in a 18-24yr old demographic for instance, for X amount of dollars and the product is produced accordingly.

So basically instead of the quality and viewership driving advertising rates now advertising rates determine the quality and content of the programing.

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Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:39 pm

Quoting okie (Reply 28):

So basically instead of the quality and viewership driving advertising rates now advertising rates determine the quality and content of the programing.

In some ways, the channels on cable are more willing to take risks that the broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox) won't. Shows like "Rescue Me", "The Shield", "Always Sunny In Philadelphia", "Mad Men", "Breaking Bad", "Monk", "The Closer", "The Sopranos", "Deadwood", "True Blood", "Burn Notice" and "Sons Of Anarchy" would have little if any chance to have made it to a broadcast network even if they were sanitized for broadcast. These days, most of the best original TV shows are found on cable networks like FX, AMC, USA, HBO, Showtime and TNT. There are some late lamented shows on the broadcast networks that had they been on cable probably would still be airing (Arrested Development and Pushing Daisies are two I can think of that I liked.).
 
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:51 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 29):
There are some late lamented shows on the broadcast networks that had they been on cable probably would still be airing

Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip.

I discovered this show when it was on Hulu. It is an amazingly well written show. I loved it. And once again, NBC in their infinite wisdom canned it. If someone like AMC or Bravo, etc took it theyd have had a winner.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:55 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 30):
Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip.

Best show ever. And I do agree that it would have done a lot better on cable, but at least Southland got saved.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:15 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 31):
Best show ever.

Agreed. Who knew Matthew Perry could be serious.  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 31):
but at least Southland got saved.

Yes! New season starts in January, btw.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:39 pm

I miss the old VH1, when they actually played music videos. It now revolves around dating shows and mediocre reality television. They might show some music videos in the middle of the night or early in the morning at most. MTV is nother channel which has hit rock bottom and now completely sucks, the Real World which at one point exposed teenagers to important issues (HIV and othe social issues) is now a show about self centered trash. Which is why I will gladly take MTV Latin America (MTV Mexico is such a better channel). To my friends who live in Latin America, is HTV still around? Now that was a great music channel.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:08 pm

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 30):
And once again, NBC in their infinite wisdom canned it.

NBC does that a lot. Thank the TV gods that TNT picked up Southland.

Quoting chepos (Reply 33):
Anyone remember MuchMusic USA

That channel got me through high school.
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Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:38 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 10):
i think TLCs change has been pretty radical. When it was "The Learning Channel" they actually had educational programs, shows about surgery procedures, etc.... Now it has devolved into shows about ginormous families, midgets, and baking.

Not to mention weddings. I worked on a reality show for several months about wedding hair and makeup preparation for TLC (debuting this fall.) Not a fan of the way TLC treats the production company which in turn reflects on how the production company treats employees who have worked on the show (a lot of terminations/replacements every few months because of politics, many of those stemming from the network.)

There was another special that I worked on that made it's debut for TLC recently and there was zero commercial promotion for it which was a shame because it was entertaining.

Cartoon Network is another one which has had radical changes in program over the last 10 or so years. When I was kid watching it back in the 1990s the schedule was primarily lots of classic cartoons by Tex Avery and Hanna Barbara with some original programming like Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Many of those shows went to Boomerang, a Cartoon Network subsidiary and a vast majority of shows on CN are new cartoons. They also have [Adult Swim] which made it's debut sometime early last decade tailored for very eccentric individuals in their teens and 20s which airs between 10pm-6am.

Also the Weather Channel. God I miss Early 90s weather channel with all those classic bumpers. Now it's like a 24 NBC news/weather format. Eck.
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Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:18 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 35):
Also the Weather Channel. God I miss Early 90s weather channel with all those classic bumpers. Now it's like a 24 NBC news/weather format. Eck.

Well it is owned by NBC now........

And they're showing weather themed movies. One night, I noticed they were showing "The Avengers". I guess since the basic plot of the film was about controlling the weather......

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 35):
Cartoon Network is another one which has had radical changes in program over the last 10 or so years. When I was kid watching it back in the 1990s the schedule was primarily lots of classic cartoons by Tex Avery and Hanna Barbara with some original programming like Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Many of those shows went to Boomerang, a Cartoon Network subsidiary and a vast majority of shows on CN are new cartoons. They also have [Adult Swim] which made it's debut sometime early last decade tailored for very eccentric individuals in their teens and 20s which airs between 10pm-6am.

But for the most part, the programming on Cartoon Network is still primarily animation programming. [adult swim] has been a very successful programming block for the network, so much so that while it airs on the same cable/satellite channel as Cartoon Network, it is now a separate network for ratings purposes (A similar split is done with Nickelodeon and Nick-At-Nite.) and they beat Comedy Central (Daily Show & Colbert Report) as well as Leno and Letterman in the ratings and continue to do so. I remember when [adult swim] first started out as a Sunday night only block. Heck, if it wasn't for [adult swim], Futurama and Family Guy would have never gotten reborn.
 
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Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:28 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 36):
I remember when [adult swim] first started out as a Sunday night only block. Heck, if it wasn't for [adult swim], Futurama and Family Guy would have never gotten reborn.

[Adult Swim] is hilarious. Really, as long as you have a sense of humor there's something for everyone. I knew about NBC acquiring The Weather Channel or should I say "Infecting it."
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Fri Jul 30, 2010 6:07 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
In a way they are becoming a modern TNN.

Actually the modern TNN would be GAC (Great American Country). CMT is just the country version of MTV now, it's owned by the same people.
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Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:16 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 36):
I remember when [adult swim] first started out as a Sunday night only block. Heck, if it wasn't for [adult swim], Futurama and Family Guy would have never gotten reborn.

I remember when Latin American Cartoon Network had Adult Swim, each day starting at ten and ending at one, but for some reason, they axed Adult Swim. I always liked Adult Swim, so I was sad when it wasn't shown again. No idea about European Cartoon Network, but I doubt that they have Adult Swim in their programming.

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