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Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:51 pm

I think he's definitely got a good chance of winning and would do great things to turn around Haiti since the earthquake. Thoughts on celebrities in political office?



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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:26 pm

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Thoughts on celebrities in political office?

Ask California.



Wyclef has been passionate over the years about doing things to improve the lives of Haitians. While his lack of political experience worries me, I think given the track record of the ruling elite in Haiti you couldn't do worse.
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Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:41 pm

It seems near & dear to his heart.

It would be a huge task but would be great to see him do good.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:18 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
Ask California.

Yeah, my folks live in Newport Beach and have a different opinion of the Governor since he first took office. Sonny Bono did a good job when he was in office.

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 2):
It seems near & dear to his heart.

All the more reason I think he'll succeed if elected.
 
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:35 pm

I'll support anything to stop him from rapping/screaming!

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
Thoughts on celebrities in political office?

Ask California.

Not a fan at all but at least Arnold didn't turn out as bad as that other horrible actor that conservatives put on a pedestal .....(cough)...(cough).....Ray-gun.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:20 pm

Good luck hopefully he has what it takes...
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:57 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
While his lack of political experience worries me, I think given the track record of the ruling elite in Haiti you couldn't do worse.

I think this is exactly it. He can't be worse than who Haiti has had in the past.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:55 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Thoughts on celebrities in political office?

Ask California.

Oh yeah, there was once a governor from California who was an actor, wasn't there? Didn't he run for President?


Back on topic, I think it could be great. I think it would greatly strengthen Haiti's ties to the United States, much to the chagrin of France, likely, but you have to remember that a lot of Haiti's problems are that until recently, it was still paying its massive independence debt to France. Now that that is gone, Haiti could be on its way up. All it really needs is money. A celebrity president may be EXACTLY what the country needs to get it.
 
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Wed Aug 04, 2010 8:59 pm

I think he's the perfect person to run for president of Haiti. Not only is he a great spokesperson for the country, he also has a 1up over the other politicians. That advantage is the fact that we know he is only doing this for the good of his country, and not line his pockets because he's already wealthy. He is very popular and he is the most widely recognizable Haitian. Not only that, but he is also the top ambassador for his country and he really showed his leadership skills after the earthquake.

The only reason i'm fearful for him running for president of that country is because politics in Haiti is very violent and disgusting. I really like his music and would really not want anything to happen to him.

But overall.    He's got my vote.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:29 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 8):
But overall. He's got my vote.

How?
You're not a registered voter in Haiti.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Oh yeah, there was once a governor from California who was an actor, wasn't there? Didn't he run for President?

Very true and we're suffering the repercussions of his Presidency today in Afghanistan.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:39 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
How?
You're not a registered voter in Haiti.

As in vote of confidence. He has my support
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:42 am

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 10):
As in vote of confidence. He has my support

I know, I was just being nit-picky.  
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:45 am

The caribbean will warmly welcome him  
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:52 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Thoughts on celebrities in political office?

Ask California.

What about Ronald Reagan? Sure, he was "only" a B film actor, but he did make California governor and even president.

That being said, I'm very critical of any celebrity who wants to get into active politics.
 
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:55 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
What about Ronald Reagan? Sure, he was "only" a B film actor, but he did make California governor and even president.

True but he wasn't a good one.   
He may have won landslide elections and a good speaker but he was a lousy President.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:41 am

Um... why the hell would ANYONE want that job?
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:45 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Back on topic, I think it could be great. I think it would greatly strengthen Haiti's ties to the United States, much to the chagrin of France, likely, but you have to remember that a lot of Haiti's problems are that until recently, it was still paying its massive independence debt to France. Now that that is gone, Haiti could be on its way up.

You seem to have very little idea what you're on about...

A quick read throught the Wiki article on Haiti would tell you that since its independance from France over 200 years ago, most of Haiti's diplomatic and economic relations, both good and bad, have been with the US. Most political maneuvering and shuffling was US led, often with disastrous conscequences.

Haiti had been accumulating a huge debt over the recent decades due to its catastrophic economy, and a lot of this debt was owed to the US amongst others, until it was written out in recent years (Well, paid by the US government, to be precise). The debt was mostly contracted under the Duvallier dictatorship, when the ruling family contracted massive national debt for their own personal purposes. It was cancelled later for being an odious debt.

France, while being far from having a clear conscience on Haiti, has mostly kept diplomatic and economical ties with Haiti due to cultural reasons and a mutual history that ended over 2 centuries ago. The independence debt was indeed ludicrous, and partly repaid by Haiti a long time ago.
As far as recent debt is concerned, I see no reason to single out France as an 'oppresing' creditor. As a member of the IDB, along with 48 other states, including its host, the US, it has agreed to cancel Haiti's debt in 2005.

But, yes, I know...

...When in doubt, blame the French.


As far as Wyclef is concerned, as said above, he certainly can't do any worse than his predecessors, and unlike them, his motive won't be monetary driven. He genuinely cares about the country.
But I seriously doubt he has what it takes to tackle the reality of the political scene down there.
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Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:52 am

Wyclef Jean? Better than the Duvaliers that's for sure.

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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:14 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 13):
That being said, I'm very critical of any celebrity who wants to get into active politics.

If they only do so half-assed, as in a couple TV spots and ramblings at awards shows - I agree it can be a problem. But other celebrities have found a way to use their exposure to greatly benefit causes they are involved in day-to-day. I don't necessarily see the harm if they commit their money and energies in the right place.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:07 pm

He's well on his way to being a highly successful political figure - the IRS hit him with $2.1 mil. in tax liens yesterday!   



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Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:29 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 16):
The independence debt was indeed ludicrous, and partly repaid by Haiti a long time ago.

Paying the debt destroyed the country! Destroyed it! It took all of the resources the country had to pay the debt.

People have to realize that before its independence, Haiti was the wealthiest area in the world, with immense natural resources. France didn't want to let it go because it was France's wealth engine. So, instead of a war, France said to Haiti that they could buy their freedom, so they did. But the debt crippled them for hundreds of years.

I really didn't think this was arguable.
 
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Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:29 am

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 1):
Wyclef has been passionate over the years about doing things to improve the lives of Haitians.

That should help.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Um... why the hell would ANYONE want that job?

I suppose there is passion as well as challenge. He has money. Why not put his resources to use for something good?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
Wyclef Jean? Better than the Duvaliers that's for sure.
Baby Doc is living a peaceful chateau life in the South of France as if he had done nothing.

I would love to see that family tried for their thievery.

Foxnews just said Wyclef is on to run, confirmed. Good luck
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:19 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
People have to realize that before its independence, Haiti was the wealthiest area in the world, with immense natural resources. France didn't want to let it go because it was France's wealth engine. So, instead of a war, France said to Haiti that they could buy their freedom, so they did. But the debt crippled them for hundreds of years.

I really didn't think this was arguable.

You must be joking...

Haiti was a wealthy colony, but never the wealthiest area in the world, not even before its independence 200 years ago.

While some colon farmers enjoyed wealth, most of the trade producing that wealth was the slave trade...
Haiti does not and never had any significant natural resources apart from its rich soil, which all but disappeared after the country was completely deforested during the last 50 years or so.

The independence debt was paid back, and while it didn't help at the time, most of Haiti's worst economical woes did not come from paying it back. Haiti was even a relatively wealthy land, but kept being pillaged by different local governments and foreigners all taking advantage of the constant political instability to stuff their pockets with the country's money.
What crippled Haiti was decades of war, political instability, corruption, disastrous economic policies and uncontrolled and irresponsible borrowing by the successive governments.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:18 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 16):
The debt was mostly contracted under the Duvallier dictatorship, when the ruling family contracted massive national debt for their own personal purposes. It was cancelled later for being an odious de

Ah the Duvalliers, I wonder if our friend D L X might know who they were / are and what country that were the main contributor / donor to their economy and their extremely brutal regime. Probably not...
But as a hint I can say that with Castro setting up shop next door with massive popular support (as he had when he took over) made that country happy to see Duvallier run what was the most notorious dictatorship in N and S America to prevent another popular uprising.
those facts arent fun so better find a distraction. Lets go for the French...

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):

People have to realize that before its independence, Haiti was the wealthiest area in the world, with immense natural resources. France didn't want to let it go because it was France's wealth engine. So, instead of a war, France said to Haiti that they could buy their freedom, so they did. But the debt crippled them for hundreds of years.

Haiti the wealthiest area in the world?
No but you have one point it was the most profitable (wealthiest) colony at the time. A big, big difference...
Second and third on the same list (at that time) were Hispaniola and Puerto Rico, wonder what held them back. Was it Spain and the US?

Haiti was a place where a few wealthy colonial masters controlled plantations that were manned by slaves from Africa. Thats why it was rich.
Another twist to the story of Haiti. The reason Haiti agreed to this compensation (That became debt later on) for lost land to the French plantation owners was that it was put under blockade initiated by the USA...
the French were equally happy with this blockade of course.
You see the banks / individuals that financed the plantation owners and made a good profit weren't happy to loose all their assets (roughly 50% of finance came from the US and 50% from France) thus the blockade was initiated after demands from US businessmen that had lost a lot of money...

Facts are fun.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:38 pm

I am somewhat concerned about this because of the irregularities that have already occurred with Yele Haiti.

http://povertyworlddevelopment.suite..._controversy_over_earthquake_funds

Hopefully this was just a case of someone jumping in and going too fast, or just sloppiness or ignorance, rather than anything nefarious.
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Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:46 pm

Not what I would have expected but it seems like he could be quite good. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
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RE: Wyclef Jean To Run For President Of Haiti.

Fri Aug 06, 2010 5:06 pm

Wishing him and Haiti all the best!
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:43 am

To run for pres in Haiti you have to be a citizen and live in the country for 5 consecutive years (he hasn't) and his uncle is also running..
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Sat Aug 07, 2010 2:14 am

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 27):
To run for pres in Haiti you have to be a citizen and live in the country for 5 consecutive years (he hasn't) and his uncle is also running..

Well according to the TIME article, his is still a citizen, (carrying a Haitian Passport) and lived their til the age of 9, so that is 9 consec years.


I don't know what to make of Tele Haiti or the smoking gun. The problem with organizations is that they are seldom run by who started them.


As far as what he has to offer, only passion. This guy came from Haiti and made a name for himself. He has money, so you can't say he's doing it for the money, unlike other pols that have come and go there....Aristide, Duvalier, Namphy, etc.

Let him run and let democracy decide. I mean its not like Sarah Palin is running.  
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